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Sarah Palin is now sending out tersely worded lawyer-letters to try and shut up bloggers about what possible scandal is forcing her out of office prematurely. This will now ensure that people speculate and probe further whatever she’s hiding.

To use a Fourth of July analogy, she just dumped another bucket of lighter fluid on the open flame.

BY THE WAY: Those of you in the MSM and conservative media who are trying desperately to make this nutty move sound like a brilliant plan from the mind of a political genius… keep it up, you’re encouraging her and she’s just dumb enough to buy it.

*wink*

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  1. Jaim says:

    The press conference where she quit was obviously done as a Friday news-dump. I’m guessing the indictment is going to be about the sports complex, or some relation between the sports complex and kickbacks for her new house.

    Because we all know common, down-to-earth Americans build multi-million dollar homes with sweetheart deals from contractors who were favored in getting lucrative bids.

    Between this and Sanford, it’s like there’s a GOP conspiracy to destroy their party as quickly and efficiently as possible.

    Good times.

    So here’s my unsubstantiated guess as to what we’ll hear this week: It’s Todd who’s going to go to jail, not necessarily Sarah.

  2. Randy Brown says:

    See you next Tuesday, cut-and-run Sally!

  3. MrGreyGhost says:

    Sorry PDS sufferers, but the feds have made it official that they’re not investigating her: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-palin5-2009jul05,0,7018263.story

    Guess you guys will now have to resort to more Trig “jokes”.

  4. Jaim says:

    Like I said, my guess is that it could be Todd.

  5. Xynyx says:

    I suppose MrGG thinks Palin should, somehow, be considered competent, and that criticism of her policies or actions is unjustified.

    Keep smoking that stuff, dude. It’s working.

  6. Michael Over Here says:

    I want to believe that she’s going to head up the Alaska Independence Party, form a militia and start an arctic civil war. Alaska and Quebec have Canada in a pincer. Chances are the real reason she’s quit is even crazier. Alas, I’ll just wait until the true reason comes out.

  7. I am now looking ahead and how we can advance this country together with our values of less government intervention, greater energy independence, stronger national security, and much-needed fiscal restraint,” the former Republican vice presidential candidate wrote in a posting on her Facebook page. Palin’s spokeswoman, Meghan Stapleton, confirmed Palin wrote the entry.

    ~ yesterday

    In the words of the late, great philosopher. Casey Stengel : “Doesn’t anybody know how to play this game.”

    She damn sure does !

  8. Michael Over Here says:

    Frank, delusional much?

  9. Repack Rider says:

    MrGG,

    I don’t believe anything until I see the non-denial denial. Her lawyer cinched it for me.

    An innocent party doesn’t threaten to sue for defamation over rumors. An innocent party says, “Bring it on, and you can pay my lawyer after I win.”

    She has the presumption of innocence in criminal court, but not here, and here antics scream either insanity or guilt.

    Which do you think is more likely?

    The Palins have been elusive about how Todd managed to slap up a mansion in his spare time with the help of unidentified and un-numbered “buddies,” at the same time as the sports complex was going up a short distance away. You would think they would have more detail on such a project, since the “buddies” apparently included architects, electricians, cement contractors, plumbers, carpenters, and other skilled people who should be easy to identify. We should all have buddies with such a wide range of skills, so much spare time, and the generosity to donate hundreds of hours instead of making a living with their skills.

    At the very least, Todd Palin should be required to identify the “buddies” who helped him build his mansion in their spare time. After all, if they donated labor that was worth money, and the product of their labor clearly IS worth money, then aren’t there some, you know, TAX implications?

    OTOH, if Todd paid them for their time, all he has to do is produce the receipts. How hard could that be?

  10. While Republican Sarah Palin is creepy, what’s creepier is the cultish support the right wing gives to clearly unqualified candidates.

    (this doesn’t deter my sincere ‘hope’ that she becomes the Republican nominee for President in 2012:/)

    Sarah Palin / Ted Stevens 2012 !!

  11. “Repack Rider”: her “antics scream either insanity or guilt.

    Which do you think is more likely?”

    That it’s both.

  12. ‘She damn sure does !’

    Umm…..sure she does.

    If the object of the game is to become even more irrelevant, incoherent and insignificant than she was last Thursday.

  13. ‘While Republican Sarah Palin is creepy, what’s creepier is the cultish support the right wing gives to clearly unqualified candidates.’

    Roger that NR.

    I’m still not counting out a reanimated, zombie Reagan/Palin ticket in 2012.

  14. Repack Rider says:

    News Reference:

    It didn’t occur to me that the two conditions [insanity and guilt] were not mutually exclusive. Of course they could both be true.

    Thanks for the clarification.

  15. Dennis says:

    I’m still not counting out a reanimated, zombie Reagan/Palin ticket in 2012.

    Amazing how much you guys bring up 2012 like you’re afraid the good times won’t last; not that these are good times. But even more amazing than that is the focus on Sarah Palin instead of taking Obama to task for promising you the world and giving you California. Most other liberal blogs are doing just that, although not all that extreme just yet, but it figures this would be the last one to follow.

    If you wanted Obama to start doing the things you voted him in office to do, you should threaten him with the Sarah Palin treatment. Maybe even have one of the sickos over at HuffPo do a casual mention of one of the Obama girls, just to let him know you mean business.

  16. Michael over here: I guess with that well thought out argument , you have me on the ropes.

    I heard Andrea Mitchell this morning, pointing out that not finishing her gubernatorial term has effectively killed Gov Palin’s chances to be President.

    Yeah, that’s the ticket!

    She no longer has name recognition, star power or the ability to draw a crowd or a television audience?

    Better a retired community organizer with a Marx / Engels fetish should play “Let’s Pretend!” with the greatest country in the history of the world.

    And I’m delusional?

  17. The unmentioned speculation is that Republican Sarah Palin’s palatial waterfront home was built the same way Republican Ted Stevens’s home was built: Corrupt corporate payoffs for political cronyism.

    The speculation about Republican Palin’s home started in a long article in the Village Voice last October 2008: “The Book of Sarah (Palin): Strafing the Palin record,” by Wayne Barrett.

    Most of the article is a long recitation of facts, many of the facts about the Alaska VECO corporation which paid for Alaska Republican Ted Stevens home to be doubled in size. (The evidence of corruption was irrefutable, but, amazingly, the Republican Bush administration managed to botch the prosecution.)

    It’s not until Barrett’s fifth page of going over Palin’s eye-raising political history that he connects Republican Sarah Palin’s home to the sports complex built with taxpayer money.

    Many of the Republicans involved in the mutli-million dollar sports complex (built with taxpayer money) donated to Republican Sarah Palin’s political career.

    The key assertions that are part of the current speculation are:

    “A list of subcontractors on the job, obtained by the Voice, includes many with Palin ties. One was Spenard Builders Supply, the state’s leading supplier of wood, floor, roof, and other “pre-engineered components.” In addition to being a sponsor of Todd Palin’s snow-machine team that has earned tens of thousands for the Palin family, Spenard hired Sarah Palin to do a statewide television commercial in 2004. When the Palins began building a new family home off Lake Lucille in 2002—at the same time that Palin was running for lieutenant governor and in her final months as mayor—Spenard supplied the materials, according to Antoine Bricks, who works in its Wasilla office. Spenard actually filed a notice “of its right to assert a lien” on the deed for the Palin property after contracting for labor and materials for the site. Spenard’s name has popped up in the trial of Senator Stevens—it worked on the house that is at the center of the VECO scandal as well.

    Todd Palin told Fox News that he built the two-story, 3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath, wood house himself, with the help of contractors he described as “buddies.” As mayor, Sarah Palin blocked an effort to require the filing of building permits in the wide-open city, and there is no public record of who the “buddies” were.”

    What was particularly bizarre during the 2008 election was listening to the “3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath” home owner Republican Sarah Palin pretend she was ‘jest like average folk’.

    Even more bizarre is how right wingers eat up fictions like that but then can’t cope with factual assertions.

  18. I posted a quote from a Palin statement made yesterday [ see above ]

    Well, so did he

    The last line of his Washington Post column? : “The broad message? Sarah Palin is here to stay — whether you like it or not.”

    Incidentally, Oliver : Don’t you think “If you accuse me of embezzlement in your weblog, I will sue you” sounds a lot like “Please don’t throw me in that brier patch”?

  19. jr says:

    Cons are constantly threatening to sue people one day, then calling for tort reform and limiting medical malpractice awards the next

  20. Michael Over Here says:

    Frank, my argument is this: You’re delusional.

    In such that the reality you see is the opposite to what the rest of humanity experiences. Humanity sees a woman, out of her depth giving a rambling press conference. You see a presidential contender or, at the very least a great leader.

    Further evidence of Frank’s disconnect from reality: he readily links to and wants people to see his myspace page: http://www.myspace.com/480298417

  21. Right wing concern troll “Dennis” demands the left begin “taking Obama to task”.

    Yes, “Dennis”, as I’ve said, I’m quite upset that Obama is only 1,000 times better than Republican Bush and only 100 times better than Republican McCain.

    Seriously.

    Those two Republicans set the bar so low that with very little effort Obama should have been 10,000 times better than Republican Bush and 1,000 times better than McCain.

    And I was hoping that Obama would be 100,000 times better than Republican Bush and 10,000 times better than Republican McCain.

    But I understand that Obama is facing a Republican Party that’s (re)animated by cultish extremists that are trying to obstruct and even sabotage nearly everything he is trying to do.

    I’ve criticized him, but I’ve got his back.

    Moreover, he has a lot of Republican problems that he has to deal with:

    -Republican’s Wars, one of which Republican’s lied US into.
    -Republican’s Torture and War Crimes.
    -Republican’s Debt.
    -Republican’s Corporatism.
    -Republican’s Corruption.
    -Republican’s Mismanagement (of the wars, of the economy, and of the government).

    And for the record, Obama is still 100,000 times better than Republican Sarah Palin.

  22. Dennis says:

    What was particularly bizarre during the 2008 election was listening to the “3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath” home owner Republican Sarah Palin pretend she was ‘jest like average folk’.

    Left-wing conspiracy loon “News Reference” seems to have found his next ‘Conspiracy Theory of the Week’. Not content to post one or two links, he feels the need to repeat it over and over and is now giving up-to-the-minute Fox News alerts of any new ‘developments’ in this non-story.

    Such is the state of mind of the typical liberal fanatic in America today.

  23. Dennis says:

    News Reference translation: “I am Andrew Sullivan’s bitch. He tells me to bark, I bark.”

    “Wroof, wroof, wroof.”

  24. “the typical liberal fanatic in America today”:

    Reality based, proud of America’s ideals, yet at the same time desperately concerned with how badly the right wing have damaged our country and deeply uneasy by how easily right wingers get conned by charlatans.

  25. Parthenon says:

    And I’m delusional?

    In that you imply that Palin ever had a solid chance at the presidency, and that you imply that those already meager chances weren’t reduced to next to non-existent by galting the governorship, yes, frankly, that’s slightly on the wrong side of reality-based.

    She will, however, raise a fair bit of money for the GOP by getting the base all riled up come next election cycle though. Maybe she and JtP can do a reunion tour.

  26. Right winger “Dennis” is so hard wired in terms of domination and submission that in a thread in which he’s trying to defend Sarah Palin he calls someone a “bitch”.

    Can you see how that is ironic, “Dennis”?

    And “Dennis”, why do you keep bringing up a gay man like Andrew Sullivan in sexually domineering terms?

    Revealing obsession?

  27. Dennis says:

    deeply uneasy by how easily right wingers get conned by charlatans.

    I honestly can’t say “OMFG” emphatically enough.

    Seriously, any MySpace twenty-somethings here know how do that? Along the lines of ‘Are f’ing kidding me with that comment?!?!”

    Reality based, proud of America’s ideals, yet at the same time desperately concerned with how badly the right wing have damaged our country

    Really, Newsie? You’re so deeply concerned you have do your typical machine gun approach with you new ‘conspiracy of the week’ Sarah and Todd Palin bullshit that even your hero Andrew Sullivan isn’t wanking over, at least not yet anyway?

    That’s reality-based in what way?

    That shows your pride in America’s ideals exactly how?

    You’re just hiding behind your cloak of patriotism and American ideals so you can keep on spreading malicious and baseless rumors and pretend to everyone that you are in the know. That’s what punks do.

  28. Dennis says:

    And “Dennis”, why do you keep bringing up a gay man like Andrew Sullivan in sexually domineering terms?

    Nice try, Newsie, but you miss again. You worship the guy. I’ll pull up a few quotes of your hero worship for him as examples if you need them. Just let me know. You’re being his bitch has nothing to do with gayness unless you want to imagine it that way, and BDSM is not germane to homosexuals. I bring him up because you did, and your obsession and fantasizing about Sarah Palin is right in line with his.

  29. “Dennis” I asked you, in all seriousness, what you believe in the other day and I just had an epiphany, you don’t believe in anything.

    It’s all about who’s on top and who’s on bottom with you.

    Hate to break it to you, but you’re not a ‘top’.

  30. What’s BDSM, “Dennis”?

  31. Wilbur says:

    Palin already has the full-bore wingnut vote (represented here by our friends Frank and Dennis) sewed up. If she wants to make a play in 2012 she needs to peel off some of the independents and conservative dems who thought she was a nutjob drama queen in 2008.

    She does that by serving out her term and governing her state competently.

    She does not do that by acting like a nutjob drama queen.

    Unfortunately for her, she can only play the hand she’s dealt.

    Result: hours of entertainment, and we win.

  32. usualsuspect says:

    Geez Newsy, how about some actual news?

    “One was Spenard Builders Supply, the state’s leading supplier of wood, floor, roof, and other “pre-engineered components.”

    You mean the Guv actually used the “leading supplier” of building supplies to, you know, build her house! Scandal! Next thing we’ll find out, she, and the State of Alaska, both get water from the same utility! Corruption!
    And then, to really cement the story, the “leading supplier” of building materials in the state sets up a construction lien against the Palin residency, a clear sign SOMEONE is trying to hide something!
    Newsy, you do know that a construction lien is put into place so they can force you to pay for materials, right? Why would they do that if they were just trying to grease the palms of the future governor?

    Why you lefty dumbasses just read stuff from the liberal media, and think the rest of us are too stupid to read between the lines will never cease to amaze me…..

    Critical thinking, it’s what’s for breakfast in the “reality based” right wing these days.

  33. Dennis says:

    Newsie, here’s the statement from Palin’s attorney regarding the crap you slither around here repeating, and from which every reference you link to or C&P from, derives:

    —–
    To the extent several websites, most notably liberal Alaska blogger Shannyn Moore, are now claiming as “fact” that Governor Palin resigned because she is “under federal investigation” for embezzlement or other criminal wrongdoing, we will be exploring legal options this week to address such defamation. This is to provide notice to Ms. Moore, and those who re-publish the defamation, such as Huffington Post, MSNBC, the New York Times and The Washington Post, that the Palins will not allow them to propagate defamatory material without answering to this in a court of law. The Alaska Constitution protects the right of free speech, while simultaneously holding those “responsible for the abuse of that right.” Alaska Constitution Art. I, Sec. 5. http://ltgov.state.ak.us/constitution.php?section=1. These falsehoods abuse the right to free speech; continuing to publish these falsehoods of criminal activity is reckless, done without any regard for the truth, and is actionable.
    ———

    I imagine those sites listed above will cease and desist unless they have something solid. I imagine you won’t. Such is the nature of snakes and vermin as dishonest as you are.

  34. Do you even keep track of the weird things you say, “Dennis”?

    Just in this thread alone you’ve said some very creepy things.

  35. Dennis says:

    Just in this thread alone you’ve said some very creepy things.

    I said you hero worship Andrew Sullivan. All the creepy things after that came from you and your imagination, you dishonest piece of garbage.

    What was particularly bizarre during the 2008 election was listening to the “3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath” home owner Republican Sarah Palin pretend she was ‘jest like average folk’.

    What was particularly bizzare about that, Newsie? Earlier, you called their house ‘palatial’. 3,450 s.f. for a family of seven is hardly ‘palatial’. Maybe to you and the little cubbyhole your mom allowed you in the basement it’s palatial, but it’s not for a big family of kids running around. So you just keep on posting about this new piece of crap you find so thrilling. You’re like the Tennessee Democrat Congressman’s son who hacked Sarah Palin’s computer- you think you’re being a good foot soldier for the party just like he did.

  36. Don’t you think “If you accuse me of embezzlement in your weblog, I will sue you” sounds a lot like “Please don’t throw me in that brier patch”?
    Not even remotely. It sounds like the same vindictive pattern that keeps getting Sarah Palin in hot water. Here’s one person hoping this hot mess stays on the national stage, for the same reason gossip writers love Lindsay Lohan. It’s not the talent.

    And Dennis, your conspiracy theory about liberals being afraid of Palin keeps springing leaks. Why do we talk about 2012? Because Palin is (or was) a likely 2012 candidate and those of us interested in politics are always looking forward to the next contest.

    I’ll go on the record like I have before: I’m pretty sure Obama will be re-elected (99% so), I think he can take anyone on the GOP side on. I think if the candidate is Palin he’ll win in a landslide like 1964 or 1984.

  37. Hey, Michael, thanks for the PR boost. Please tell me what is unreal about an Internet Radio DJ advertising the fact that he is an Internet Radio DJ?

    I was only going to say that I just received notice that the “FredHeads for McCain – Palin” Yahoo Group was changing their name to the “Palin4America” Yahoo Group. Her FaceBook account has pick up several thousand “Fans” since this morning. Guess they’re delusional, too.

  38. KELLIE says:

    FROM A WOMAN’S VIEWPOINT , I THINK PALIN IS A WHINER, WOMAN HAVE FOUGHT FOR YEARS NOT TO BE PORTRAYED AS VICTIMS. SHE IS STUPID AND A DISGRACE TO WOMAN EVERYWHERE…..HILARY ON THE OTHER HAND HAS GONE AS FAR AS SHE HAS BECAUSE SHE IS A WORTHY CONTENDER. I DON’T DISLIKE VERY MANY PEOPLE BUT I DO HER (PALIN)…FOR HER TO EVEN HINT THAT SHE IS STEPPING DOWN FROM HER POST THE SAME WAY THEN SENATOR OBAMA LEFT HIS SENATE POSITION IS HORRIFYING….IF HE CAN DO IT SO CAN I ….WHINER!!!!! I HOPE THE GOP HAS ALREADY NAMED HER THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE CAUSE IT WILL BE AN EASY WIN FOR DEMOCRATS .KEEP IT UP REPUBLICANS YOU CAN DO IT HAHAHAHA! MY ONLY PROBLEM WITH HER BEING A CANDIDATE AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA IS THAT SHE IS SO UNSTABLE AND NOT A WORTHY OPPONENT THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA MAY TAKE IT EASY ON HER JUST TO KEEP HER FROM FALLING OFF THE DEEP END , SHE IS MAKING THIS CHOICE I SAY HAVE AT HER SHE WILL DESERVE ANYTHING SHE GETS HANDED.

  39. Dennis says:

    Ollie, there are no leaks in the Sarah Palin fear factor. Your last prediction I believe was that Sean Hannity’s show would go down in flames, and the counter to that was that you must have underestimated the idiots who would flock to him and the rest of the other nine Fox News shows at the top of the cable news ratings.
    So I’d be a little careful with the 99% figure, since those same people are the independents who went with Obama last time who are not at all pleased with how the economy is going. I’d much rather see things get a whole lot better than see some Republican get the job out of default like Obama did, but you are completely dismissing the possibility that he may have just screwed us royally for a long time to come, and blame Bush in 2012 won’t fly like it and the ‘Hope and Change’ and ‘Yes We Can’
    falsehoods did.

    Even Biden gave the odds of economic failure at 33% and you just know he’d be underestimating that number. Add the fact that he said Obama would definitely be tested. Again, God willing none of that happens, but it makes the 99% figure for an event 3 1/2 years away just as meaningless as obsessing over an ex-governor from Alaska whose chances you’d put at less than 1% even before her announcement.

  40. Right winger “Dennis” brings up “economic failure”.

    The Republican’s failures on the economic front are both near term and long term.

    Near term Republican failures were the last disastrous eight years of Republican Bush who more than doubled the US debt, and if you add in what the Fed under Bush billed US for, Bush arguably quadrupled the US debt.

    Republican Bush’s failures on the economic front also include his failure to regulate the corporate predators that ruined both our American economy AND severely damaged the global economy.

    Republican’s long term failures on the economic front is that the Republican economic delusions hurt America and 90% of Americans. That’s been true for decades, the worst of the Republican economic failures began under actor and Hollywood entertainer Ronald “Voodoo Economics” Reagan.

    It’s true that the top 10% make money under Republicans, though principally it’s because the Republican economic system loots the other 90% of Americans AND sells out America to foreign interests.

    So, sure, “Dennis”, keep bringing up the economy, I’d love to keep correcting you.

    Hopefully other commenters will help keep correcting the right wing’s false economic fantasies every time it’s brought up.

  41. Dennis says:

    So, sure, “Dennis”, keep bringing up the economy, I’d love to keep correcting you.

    So even if we assume some of what you say was correct, a big leap but for argument’s sake I’ll play along. What I said to OW was that Obama can’t keep blaming Bush for his 2012 campaign platform like he did in 2008. Is that what you are arguing, Newsie? One never knows what you are arguing, such is your slippery nature.

    You seemed to have diverted away from your Todd Palin building materials conspiracy. Kind of soon for you on that, isn’t it? Usually your conspiracy theories have at least a 3 day shelf life. You’re not afraid of getting sued, are you?

  42. C.S.Strowbridge says:

    Couple of points…

    1.) I was gone while my computer was in the shop (Bad stick of ram) and I did not run away.

    2.) Her doing this reminds me of J.G.Thayer threatening me with a lawsuit when I joked that he was fired as a blogger. His overreaction leads me to believe there is a massive scandal in her future.

    And as a bonus…

    3.) What did she recently overreact to? A joke by David Letterman. To quote Cenk Uygur, “I’m not saying anything, I’m just saying.”

  43. C.S.Strowbridge says:

    Dennis the Bigot: “Ollie, there are no leaks in the Sarah Palin fear factor. Your last prediction I believe was…”

    And you are wrong.

    That prediction happened shortly after the election and OW has made plenty more since then.

  44. Jay Tea says:

    Gee, what a surprise. Who are the people calling Palin a “whiner” or a “censor” for fighting back against legally defamatory allegations?

    Twice-convicted pedophile “News Reference.”

    “Jaim,” found guilty in 2007 of selling tainted heroin to high schoolers, currently out on appeal.

    “Repack Rider,” five-time convicted drunk driver, once in an accident that killed three innocents.

    “jrfunkenstein,” repeated convictions for identity theft and theft by deception.

    And, of course, our host, with convictions for felony littering and aggravated mopery.

    The only one we haven’t heard from that I thought would chime up would be Strowbridge, who doesn’t like to discuss his little adventure in the world of bestiality porn (production and distribution).

    Of all the people who ought to stay away from this sort of thing, you folks should be at the top of the list.

    J.

    (All allegations completely unsubstantiated and, to the best of my knowledge, utterly fictional and the product of my own imagination. Any resemblance to actual conduct of the named parties would be purely coincidental and hysterically funny. Except for the one on Oliver; the one time we met, I got a serious “serial mopery” vibe off the guy.)

  45. I want to specifically note that I am NOT, as Republican Sarah Palin’s lawyers says, “claiming as “fact” that Governor Palin resigned because she is “under federal investigation” for embezzlement or other criminal wrongdoing”.

    It should be carefully noted that it’s only been right winger “Dennis” that brought up the claim by some that it is a ““fact” that Governor Palin resigned because she is “under federal investigation” for embezzlement or other criminal wrongdoing”.

    It has already been repeatedly noted that this is speculation.

  46. Dennis says:

    1.) I was gone while my computer was in the shop (Bad stick of ram) and I did not run away.

    It’s like you actually think there’s a void here when you don’t post or something.

    That prediction happened shortly after the election and OW has made plenty more since then.

    Plenty? Such as?

  47. Haplo9 says:

    I’m not seeing how her future can possibly include public office, unless she has some kind of ironclad, non-politico-speak-makes-sense reason for quitting the governor’s position. (Which hasn’t been given, imo.) Regardless of whether the left was ever “scared” of her, they sure don’t have a reason to be now.

  48. Your last prediction I believe was that Sean Hannity’s show would go down in flames
    I said his ratings would be down from H+C, 1 year after. Maybe I’m wrong, as I’ve said often on the site I’m no good at predictions. But I still make them. I have a slightly better record than Dick Morris.

  49. Dennis says:

    I want to specifically note that I am NOT, as Republican Sarah Palin’s lawyers says, “claiming as “fact” …

    Ha! What a d-bag. And we are not claiming as fact that you are a twice-convicted pedophile, it’s just that facts surrounding this assertion lead one to speculate on the very high probability that you are one.

  50. Jay Tea says:

    I spoke too soon. There’s Strowbridge…

    Some day I’ll learn to hit “refresh” before I post a comment…

    J.

  51. zadura says:

    The core message of small, limited government, lower taxes and simpler times will always appeal to some. You could put that label on a box of Tide and it would get a 20% approval rating. But the Republicans around here need to face facts. There is nobody carrying their message who has either intellectual rigor or demonstrable experience.

    Mrs. Palin might have won on the second front but has irrevocably damaged her chances by quitting. I don’t hire somebody for the most important 4 year job who hasn’t demonstrated 4 year competence and none of you should either.

    Why not throw your weight behind somebody who actually has some competence or intellectual firepower. I would suggest Paul Ryan.

  52. The fact that lefties talk about Republican narcissist Sarah Palin means, in right wingers minds, that they are afraid of her.

    So the fact that I’ve got the creepy right wing stalker “Dennis” and the nasty “small wheel” of the still unidentified multi-national corporation “Jay Tea” obsessing over me means …?

  53. Repack Rider says:

    “Repack Rider,” five-time convicted drunk driver, once in an accident that killed three innocents.

    Is that an attempt at an insult?

    I might have kicked a few puppies to death too, you never know with guys like me. Really CUTE puppies.

    You can say anything you want about me, and I will turn the other cheek. People who don’t know me aren’t affected by what you say about someone they don’t care about, and the people who do know me understand that you are wrong.

    Why should I care what you say about me? Bring it on.

  54. Jay Tea says:

    OK, by the standards established by “Newsy,” it is now entirely fair and appropriate to call the above commenter “confessed puppy killer ‘Repack Rider’” in all future references.

    I won’t, of course, because unlike “Newsy” I have a clue about sarcasm, but others are free to do so.

    J.

  55. Crusty Dem says:

    All allegations completely unsubstantiated and, to the best of my knowledge, utterly fictional and the product of my own imagination.

    This disclaimer needs to go after everything JT writes.

  56. As I was very clear above, the speculation of Palin is just that, speculation.

    Just because political contributors of Republican Sarah Palin got huge, profitable government projects handed to them at taxpayer expense doesn’t mean anything.

    Just because contributors to Republican Sarah Palin who were getting huge government contracts were giving her and her family money in other ways than direct contributions (by sponsoring her husband’s snow team and by paying her to be in their commercials) doesn’t mean anything.

    After all, right winger would never jump to the conclusion that multi-million dollar tax payer paid government contracts going to political contributors and personal benefactors meant anything (unless you’re a Democratic leader, of course).

    Republican politicians handing their political contributors (or former companies [and even future companies]) millions and even billions of dollars in taxpayer money is commonplace.

    Nothing to see here, move along…

    (I will note that I disapprove of any politician doing this.)

  57. mambochicken23 says:

    OK, Jay Tea, that was pretty funny. What’s with the righties getting funny all of a sudden? Farris a couple days ago, Tea today…? In several years on this blog, I think these are the first two times that I’ve found them write anything genuinely funny (at least intentionally).

  58. Amused Observer says:

    “I don’t hire somebody for the most important 4 year job who hasn’t demonstrated 4 year competence and none of you should either.”

    Which jug eared socialist residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. does that sound like?

  59. mambochicken23 says:

    As for this topic… don’t you guys think this is really, really tired? I mean that for everyone involved. We don’t really know shit about why she resigned. Why are we bothering with speculation? It’s a waste of time. Here’s the situation as I see it…

    1) Sarah Palin is not very bright.
    2) Sarah Palin is also as nutty as a fruitcake.
    3) She resigned, unexpectedly, from the governorship. This is…
    a) weird
    b) interesting
    c) relatively unexplained, as yet

    Pretty simple, honestly. Could this be related to some impending scandal? Sure. Could it not? Conceivably. Do we know anything? Not really.

    It all amounts to a big “meh” as far as I’m concerned.

  60. mambochicken23 says:

    Jesus tapdancing Christ, AO, you are just the worst. Fucking idiot. At least you didn’t start your post with “LOL.”

  61. Amused Observer says:

    LOL,Mambo
    You can’t see the disconnect between bitching about Palin who actually has experience and voting for Obama who did exactly what before he bullshitted you guys into voting for him. A community activist?

    Otherwise nice bit of writing.

  62. Burn says:

    Ha ha, poor Amused Orifice, still upset that the black man won the election.
    What is it with you stupid wingnut losers who cannot accept reality?

    They still think the campaign in on, so they repeated use the same old boring tired worn out ‘tactics’. Yes, bring up Rev Wright once again. Mention ACORN and Tony Rezko. That’ll show em!

    Except one small detail, morons…it DIDNT work the first time!
    Don’t you get it yet? The race is OVER, and you LOST, mmmkay sweetie?

    Accept the fact that your beloved conservative bowel movement really is in the shitter for good this time. Call up Rush limpballs and yell loudly about things like socialism and that Obama is a comin fer mah guns! It really makes you loons appear like you are both grounded in reality and are better suited to lead the country (snicker)

    And Amused Orifice, if you think Palin and her one term at being mayor in a town smaller than my college campus and not even one full term as governor(because people say mean things about me, oh noez!) bests Obama’s experience, then you are sorrier and more deluded that I could imagine…oh, wait, what’s that? Oh, the American people DID vote on who they thought was better suited to lead the country…got it.

    And, they voted for Obama. You lost. So shut your piehole already and get over it.

  63. ‘Better a retired community organizer with a Marx / Engels fetish should play “Let’s Pretend!” with the greatest country in the history of the world.

    And I’m delusional?’

    After THAT statement? No,you’re certifiable.

  64. Repack Rider says:

    You can’t see the disconnect between bitching about Palin who actually has experience and voting for Obama who did exactly what before he bullshitted you guys into voting for him. A community activist?

    That’s PRESIDENT Community Activist, AO. And before that, Harvard Law magna cum laude. And senator.

    What do you want, an election do-over?

  65. ‘Amazing how much you guys bring up 2012 like you’re afraid the good times won’t last; not that these are good times.’

    Is that a joke? YOU guys are continuing the fantasy that Palin is a viable candidate for 2012, and that by then Obama will have you all memorizing Mao’s little red book.

    Let the good times roll baby.

  66. Quaker in a Basement says:

    (All allegations completely unsubstantiated and, to the best of my knowledge, utterly fictional and the product of my own imagination.

    Mr. Tea, are you aware you just confessed to libel? Where all of the news outlets threatened by Ms. Palin’s attorneys could avail themselves of a “believed to be true” defense, you just admitted to publishing things you know are false.

    If any of the others here decide to press the matter, I’ll be glad to chip in $10 or $20 toward your defense. Everyone deserves a fair trial.

  67. Jay Tea says:

    Mambo, she touched on a few things that need to be spelled out for some people:

    1) She’s watched three of her five children be mocked, insulted, degraded, and abused on a national stage — including her Down Syndrome infant son.

    B) All of the so-called “ethics violations” she’s been accused of so far (without a single serious finding of wrongdoing) have run up legal bills of about $500,000. That’s roughly double her family’s annual income, and about 40% of their net worth. And the bullshit accusations show no sign of abating.

    III) She can’t focus all her attention on being governor if she’s spending most of her time fighting off these bullshit charges of “corruption” that end up getting dismissed after several months.

    J.

  68. Jay Tea says:

    “Newsy” babbled:

    Republican politicians handing their political contributors (or former companies [and even future companies]) millions and even billions of dollars in taxpayer money is commonplace.

    Nothing to see here, move along…

    (I will note that I disapprove of any politician doing this.)

    “Newsy,” if you’re looking for more politicians doing this sort of thing, might I point you in the direction of Dianne Feinstein? She used her position to steer literally billions of dollars to her husband’s companies.

    I eagerly await with bated breath your indignant denunciations and calls for resignation…

    J.

  69. Orlando says:

    All that Governor Sarah Palin has said and seems to meant was all in one sentence she said. Good Luck

    “ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH FLOW”

  70. Burn says:

    I knew Jay the Teabagger would be front and center to defend the idiot from Wasilla. Did you see the starbursts too, Teabag? I guess being married to a jewish woman teaches men a thing or two about fantasizing

    Let’s see, people said mean things about her kids, OH NOEZ! The horrors. How can she stand up to North Korea and Iran if she cannot stand up to some anonymous bloggers! Boo hoo for Sarah, oh boo hoo! They are SO mean to me, boo hoo! OH pity the precious, frail ego of Sarah Palin. They’re laughing at me, mother! They’re laughing!

    Ethics violations just dont materialize from thin air, idiot. You have to earn them, and Sarah fed at the trough like all the other Alaskan pigs do, the most fucking corrupt state in the USA.
    She has a long history of being the typical clueless arrogant twat of a leader who hates being told she is wrong. Dumb cnts like her just love telling other people what to do, she doesn’t give a SHIT about law or governing or policy. She likes the power, just like George W Bush, with his fetal alcohol syndrome face and shit eating grin.

    And finally the Teabag really hits this one good, she was distracted…uh huh. ADD Sarah can’t do too many things at once can she? Poor Sarah. Running a state with less than 600K people is SO hard, isn’t it? She wanted the job, she got elected, now she walks away from it like a little child who got upset someone called then names., OH BOO HOO for Sarah.

    Keep defending her, wingnuts. Really, please keep it up. You are too stupid to know when to throw people overboard. You cling with full grip, because you have so much invested in her, and you know she’s been deflated but you cannot accept it just yet. I love this shit.

  71. Burn says:

    BTW Teabag, which website fired you? Wizbang?

  72. Quaker in a Basement says:

    I guess being married to a jewish woman teaches men a thing or two about fantasizing

    Stop that.

  73. Repack Rider says:

    All of the so-called “ethics violations” she’s been accused of so far (without a single serious finding of wrongdoing) have run up legal bills of about $500,000. That’s roughly double her family’s annual income, and about 40% of their net worth.

    The GOP spent $65M investigating Bill Clinton, with the same results. Did you feel the same way about Clinton’s legal bills?

    Just think how much worse it would have been if the GOP didn’t have the majority in the Alaska State House, where many of these charges originated.

  74. Jay Tea says:

    Wow, burn. I’m so flattered to be the subject of your attention. If only you had more than a shred of accuracy to back what you said up, I’d be even more flattered.

    First up, I’ve never been married. Dunno where you fantasized my wife, but thanks.

    Ethics violations just dont materialize from thin air, idiot. You have to earn them, and Sarah fed at the trough like all the other Alaskan pigs do, the most fucking corrupt state in the USA.

    Gee, Burn, Alaska’s “the most fucking corrupt state in the USA?” I take it you’re not familiar with Illinois, Louisiana, or New York.

    Of course not. They’re run by Democrats, and Democrats are incapable of being “fucking corrupt.”

    Now, about those ethics allegations (source: http://www.adn.com/palin/story/838912.html)

    1. July 28, 2008: Alaska lawmakers launched an investigation into whether Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan over his refusal to let go a state trooper involved in a contentious divorce with Palin’s sister. Stephen Branchflower, a special counsel leading the investigation, concluded Oct. 10 that Palin violated a state ethics law that prohibits public officials from using their office for personal gain. The firing itself was deemed lawful since Monegan was an at-will employee.

    2. Aug. 6, 2008: Complaint filed by outspoken Palin critic Andree McLeod of Anchorage contended Palin and some staff members used their influence to get a Palin supporter a job in state government. Complaint alleged Palin staffers helped Tom Lamal, who once co-hosted a Palin fundraiser, to get a job as a surveyor. Dismissed by state personnel board, although the board’s investigator recommended ethics training for one staffer who made questionable comments in e-mails.

    3. Aug. 20, 2008: Complaint accused Palin of breaking election law by taking a public position on a mining ballot initiative days before the vote. Filed by Brian Kraft, founder of the Bristol Bay Alliance, a group that opposed the Pebble Mine prospect. Rejected May 8 by the Alaska Public Offices Commission.

    Aug. 29, 2008: Palin named as John McCain’s running mate. 4. Sept. 2, 2008: Palin filed a “self disclosure” with the state personnel board over the Troopergate affair, saying a state legislative probe had become too political. On Nov. 3 — the day before the election — Timothy Petumenos, a lawyer hired by the board, said that Palin violated no ethics laws when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

    5. Sept. 3, 2008: Complaint by the Public Safety Employees Association alleged Palin or her staff had unauthorized access to and improperly disclosed information from personnel records of Trooper Mike Wooten, Palin’s ex-brother-in-law. Complaint was later amended to include an allegation of harassment. The PSEA’s allegations were investigated alongside Palin’s filing and also dismissed.

    6. Oct. 13, 2008: Monegan asked the board for a hearing to clear his name. Petumenos, in his Nov. 3 Troopergate report to the panel, said there was no legal basis or jurisdiction for such a hearing.

    7. Oct. 23, 2008: Complaint with the Federal Election Commission by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics alleged the $150,000-plus designer wardrobe the Republican Party bought to outfit Palin in her vice presidential quest violated Federal Election Campaign Act. The Washington watchdog group argued that candidates aren’t supposed to use donor money for personal expenses. The FEC ruled May 19 that party money is not covered by the ban.

    8. Oct. 24, 2008: Complaint contended Palin abused her power by charging the state when her children traveled with her. The personnel board found no wrongdoing, but in a Feb. 23 settlement Palin agreed to reimburse the state about $10,000 for costs associated with 10 trips found to be of questionable state interest among 72 travel authorizations studied. The money is due to the state on Tuesday.

    9. Nov. 14, 2008: Accused Palin of partisan “post-election damage control” for talking to reporters about the campaign in her state office. Filed by Zane Henning, a North Slope worker from Wasilla, Palin’s hometown. Dismissed by state personnel board March 23.

    10. Dec. 2, 2008: Alleged Palin violated ethics law by campaigning for Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia. Filed by Anthony Martin of Talkeetna. Dismissed by state personnel board March 23.

    11. Dec. 18, 2008: Complaint contended Palin misused funds of the Alaska Seafood Marketing Institute, a quasi-government entity, to promote her political ambitions with advertisements featuring her, violating ethics law. The ads promoting Alaska seafood ran in the National Fisherman last year through November. Dismissed Jan. 12 after a personnel board investigation determined Palin’s only involvement was to give permission to use her image long before she was named McCain’s running mate.

    12. Jan. 12: Complaint alleging interference in a job hiring was filed under the name of Edna Birch, a busybody character on the British soap opera Emmerdale. Palin’s attorney, Thomas Van Flein, said no one by that name could be found living in Alaska and the filer refused to use a real name, so the complaint was dismissed Feb. 20.

    13. and 14. Jan. 26: Two complaints filed by McLeod alleged two of Palin’s top aides misused their official positions for Palin’s personal and political gain. The complaints said then-press secretary Bill McAllister and Kris Perry — director of the governor’s Anchorage office — worked on state time to benefit Palin’s interests during and after her vice presidential quest. Pending.

    15. March 18: Contended Palin improperly used state staff, property, time and equipment for partisan political purposes. One of the grievances cited was Palin’s posting of her veep candidacy on the official state governor’s Web site — http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=1439&type=1 Complaint filed by McLeod. Dismissed May 27 as lacking merit by personnel board May 27.

    16. March 24: Contended conflict of interest by Palin because she wore Arctic Cat logo gear during the Tesoro Iron Dog snowmobile race. Palin’s husband, Todd, is sponsored by Arctic Cat in the race. Filed by Linda Kellen Biegel, a Democratic blogger. Dismissed June 2.

    17. April 22: Alleged that work with Palin’s political action committee violated two provisions of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act by misusing her official position and accepting outside employment. Filed by Anchorage resident Sondra Tompkins. Dismissed as lacking merit by state personnel board May 8.

    18. April 27: Contends Palin is misusing the governor’s office for personal gain by securing unwarranted benefits and receiving improper gifts through the Alaska Fund Trust. The fund was recently established by supporters to help Palin pay off more than $500,000 in legal debts stemming from other ethics complaints, including troopergate. Complaint filed by Eagle River resident, Kim Chatman. Pending.

    Dismissed, rejected, dismissed, rejected, dismissed, rejected… gee, it’s almost like they were all bullshit to begin with. Horrible offenses like mentioning she was running for veep on her web site, appearing in an ad promoting state products, wearing a jacket with a logo, talking to reporters in her office, campaigning for a Senator…

    If there were justice, the assholes who kept piling them up would be stuck with the bills for them, instead of the state and Palin.

    Finally, Burn, a question for you: are you just innately this much of an asshole, or did you undergo specialized training for it? And did it involve being repeatedly dropped on your head?

    J.

  75. Jay Tea says:

    Someday, Burn might actually be correct about something.

    I ain’t holding my breath, though.

    For the record, Burn, I’ve never been fired FROM blogging, never been fired FOR blogging. Been banned from commenting on a few sites, but never removed as an author. Resigned from Wizbang when a magazine offered me money for exclusivity, but that’s it.

    If you’re relying on your information about me from Strowbridge, Burn (I’m sorry, “LW”), that’s one of the dumber things you’ve done. And that covers volumes.

    J.

  76. Repack Rider says:

    might I point you in the direction of Dianne Feinstein? She used her position to steer literally billions of dollars to her husband’s companies.

    I eagerly await with bated breath your indignant denunciations and calls for resignation…

    Couldn’t agree more. Feinstein is a disgrace to California and a DINO. I have two of Feinstein’s offices (SF and DC) on speed dial so I can call her staff EVERY DAY day and denounce her Republican-like politics and conflicts of interest. She voted for the AUMF, tried to introduce a flag burning amendment, voted to confirm Hayden and Mukasey, and I can’t understand why she calls herself a Democrat.

    Resignation on her part might convince me, an atheist, that there really IS a god, goddess, or multiple deities who answer prayers.

  77. Burn says:

    Awww, poor wittle Jay ‘permanently single’ Teabag got his wittle feewings hurt.

    My bad Teabag, I must have mistaken you for another wingnut man who actually was successful at securing a mate. I didn’t know you were one of the hopelessly single, failed male wingnut variety.

    Now it all makes sense. You are in love with Palin too. Her words mean nothing, you just envision her in some leather fringe bikini shooting moose from a helicopter. Now that’s hot!

  78. Jay Tea says:

    Well, Repack, if Clinton had just told the truth in the first place — that he was banging an intern in contravention with laws governing sexual harassment that he’d signed — in the first place, then the whole thing would have been much simpler and cheaper.

    J.

  79. Jay Tea says:

    You hurt my feelings, Burn? Please. You entertain me with your frothing, deranged babblings — but not very much. You’ll have to try a bit harder.

    Don’t feel obligated to do so, though.

    J.

  80. Repack Rider says:

    Resigned from Wizbang when a magazine offered me money for exclusivity, but that’s it.

    Which magazine has exclusive rights to your work? When I had that kind of deal with each of several magazines (at different times, obviously), they had to put me on the masthead as some sort of “editor” and pay me enough not to be a freelancer. (One of my titles was “Left Coast Editor” for a magazine published in PA.)

    It was a great move for me, because freelance writing didn’t pay anything close to what an editorial position did, and I didn’t have to shop my work around.

  81. Repack Rider says:

    if Clinton had just told the truth in the first place — that he was banging an intern in contravention with laws governing sexual harassment that he’d signed — in the first place, then the whole thing would have been much simpler and cheaper.

    I must have missed that conviction. When was the trial, and what were the specific sexual harassment charges? I’ll wait right here while you try to find out for me.

    And how does Clinton’s right to defend himself against charges excuse the GOP wasting all that money and making him pay his lawyers, all for a not-guilty verdict, which is the exact accusation you made about people making charges against Palin?

    I get it. IOKIYAR.

  82. Jay Tea says:

    Repack, I’d rather not make myself the subject of this discussion, but I’m a semi-regular contributor to Commentary Magazine’s blog, Contentions, under another variation of my legal name. They wanted me, but not as “Jay Tea,” so over there I’m someone else.

    I’m not going to go into the details, though, as it’s nobody’s business… but it was worth the difficult decision to resign from Wizbang. Especially since Kevin Aylward, the owner of Wizbang, told me I’d be welcome back any time — I like having that safety net.

    J.

  83. Quaker in a Basement says:

    that he was banging an intern

    Shameful as his conduct was, Mr. Clinton was not “banging an intern.” At the time of their assignations, Ms. Lewinsky was not an intern, at the White House or elsewhere.

    Is there any fact you can’t bungle, Mr. Tea?

  84. Jay Tea says:

    According to my sources, Quaker, Lewinsky was an unpaid intern from July 1995 to December 1995, a paid intern from December 1995 to April 1996, and then worked at the Pentagon. The “improper relationship” went from November 1995 to March 1997.

    Looks like several months of overlap between “intern” and “banging” (to various degrees) there, Quaker.

    Is there any time you can NOT be a pompous asswipe?

    J.

  85. Amused Observer says:

    Well Well Well,
    Yes our AA president graduated in the top 20% from Harvard after a career as editor of the Harvard law review with an unprecendented zero written opinions. An indication of his fidelity to and understanding of Constitutional law which he had a part time gig teaching can be found with his signature on Chicago Second Amendment policy.

    As a community activist ( is that a job title similar the Jesse Jackson revereand without a church gig) he distinquished himself by spending a ton of other people’s money on improving minority education and accomplished no measurable results.

    Obama was swept up into the black side of the Chicago machine and won his first election on the basis of being
    the only candidate for the Democrats because he had used machine tactics to disqualify his competition. And what did our stellar Senator from the corrupt State of Illinois accomplish during his run up for President. A stellar record of voting present.

    Gee Repack,
    Clinton innocent? He skated through Whitewater leaving his associates doing time, He took illegal chi-com money and the chinese got advanced military computers for their money. A chinese campaign contribution bundler took the fall. He committed perjury and got disbarred for it. The rape charges against him are more credible than his denial but I disgress. What was your point again? Oh yes Clinton was innocent, so was OJ.

    Burn,
    You seem an usually foul piece of work. You are the type of liberal commentor that poor Quaker is always defending as non existant.

  86. Quaker in a Basement says:

    Is there any time you can NOT be a pompous asswipe?

    Namecalling, Mr. Tea?

    Well, at least I have the answer to one of my signature questions. It seems you do indeed eventually tire of being corrected.

  87. Quaker in a Basement says:

    You are the type of liberal commentor that poor Quaker is always defending as non existant.

    How now, AO?

  88. Amused Observer says:

    You know Quaker,
    The kind that make embarrassing remarks about sluts, antisemetic slurs etc. The kind of low life scum that you aren’t party to but have to pretend don’t exist when I bring up their tactics.

  89. Repack Rider says:

    Gee Repack,
    Clinton innocent?

    Yep. Did you miss the impeachment trial?

    Not guilty. In a GOP majority Senate.

    $65M spent on a farce. Why would you complain about Palin’s legal bills if you didn’t complain about Clinton’s?

  90. Burn says:

    Amused, you are stuck on stupid. The election is over. The time to compare track records of the candidates is said and done, and the people made their choices. Bitching about what a community organizer is not going to help you anymore.

    But keep it up. I love to watch it. It’s the wingnut security blankee. Whenever they feel threatened or scared, they hug it very tightly and whine into it, He’s just a community organizer! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

    Obama won, McCain lost, get over it already.

    One more time, because I know you still cannot process it through your little angry mind…

    Obama won, Mccain lost, get over it already.

    President Obama. Say it again.

  91. Quaker in a Basement says:

    The kind of low life scum that you aren’t party to but have to pretend don’t exist

    Example?

    I’m still waiting for someone to point out those who supposedly rushed to defend Mr. Letterman’s jokes. Now you’re charging to my account some new, imaginary position I haven’t taken–and therefore elect not to defend.

  92. Quaker in a Basement says:

    According to my sources, Quaker, Lewinsky was an unpaid intern from July 1995 to December 1995, a paid intern from December 1995 to April 1996, and then worked at the Pentagon. The “improper relationship” went from November 1995 to March 1997.

    Then you need better sources, Mr. Tea.

    According to Mr. Starr’s exhaustive retelling of the facts, Ms. Lewinsky accepted a paid position at the White House on November 13, 2005 and entered her first tryst with Mr. Clinton two days later.

    Mr. Starr, with characteristic attention to detail, notes that Ms. Lewinsky did not assume the duties of her new position until November 26. Whether she was still an intern after accepting, but not beginning a paid job is a hair I’ll leave for you to split.

    During the interval between accepting and beginning her paid assignment, Ms. Lewinsky testified that she entered into two encounters with Mr. Clinton. The remainder of her meetings occurred after she was no longer an intern by anyone’s definition of the word.

  93. Amused Observer says:

    My hair splitting friend Quaker,
    I can only recall one guy here, Rotter coming close to saying Letterman was over the line. If you really want to roll in the filth with your fellow tolerant progressive liberals cruise through Koss or Whiskyfire.

    Gee Repack,
    Why was it that Bill lost his license to practice law? Innocence? Most lawyers consider being disbarred quite shameful. The democrats refused to acknowledge Clinton’s perjury and future democrat Specture voted some hamboned Scotch position that he pulled out of ass, yet the Arkansas boys felt he’d brought enough shame to the state and disbarred him. Coming back to you now Repack?

    So let us recap Repack. A slew of convictions in the Whitewater affair, Hillary’s miraculous short term stint as a futures trader. Hillary’s equally miraculous box of evidence that surfaced after the trail that needed it was over. Several convictions of chinese campaign bundlers shoveling communist money into the Clinton campaign. Disbarrment and a last pull on the cash cow’s teat with Marc Richards pardon. Throw in a credible rape complaint and a less than inspiring denial. Sure he was innocent.

  94. Quaker in a Basement says:

    I can only recall one guy here, Rotter coming close to saying Letterman was over the line.

    You can recall one person who said Letterman was over the line and can name zero people who rushed to defend Letterman’s “slut stewardess” crack. Somehow my observation of these meager statistics means I am pretending that crude characters do not exist on the left side of the American political divide.

    I’m so confused. Maybe Mr. Tea can explain it all to me. He seems to have taken an interest in my education of late.

  95. Amused Observer says:

    LOL Quaker,
    You’re anything but confused. And you are very much aware of the manners of your fellow travelers. Like they say Lie to your friends, don’t lie to me.

  96. Quaker in a Basement says:

    You’re anything but confused.

    Fine. Then I’ll defend the position I took, not the one you invented for me.

    The question was posed (and I’m recollecting as best I can without going back through a couple of weeks of OW’s comments threads): When is it OK to make crude jokes about Michelle and her children?

    My reply remains as it ever was: Never.

    If you’re looking for an excuse to do so, you won’t get it from me.

  97. Jay Tea says:

    According to Mr. Starr’s exhaustive retelling of the facts, Ms. Lewinsky accepted a paid position at the White House on November 13, 2005 and entered her first tryst with Mr. Clinton two days later.

    Wow. Starr’s report covered events that would occur almost a decade in the future?

    I had NO idea that the Lewinsky unfolded during Bush 43’s second term. Thank you for elucidating that for me.

    In the real world, however, things happened a little differently:

    My first source was Wikipedia. Here’s CNN:

    http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/resources/lewinsky/timeline/

    1995

    June 1995: Monica Lewinsky, 21, comes to the White House as an unpaid intern in the office of Chief of Staff Leon Panetta.

    November 1995: Lewinsky and President Bill Clinton begin a sexual relationship, according to audiotapes secretly recorded later by Linda Tripp.

    December 1995: Lewinsky moves into a paid position in the Office of Legislative Affairs, handling letters from members of Congress. She frequently ferries mail to the Oval Office.
    1996

    April 1996: Then-Deputy White House Chief of Staff Evelyn Lieberman transfers Lewinsky to a job as an assistant to Pentagon spokesman Ken Bacon. Lieberman told The New York Times the move was due to “inappropriate and immature behavior” and inattention to work. At the Pentagon, Lewinsky meets Tripp, a career government worker.

    Show your own sources, Quaker, that put the Lewinsky scandal taking place seven years after Clinton was impeached. I could use a few good laughs.

    J.

  98. Amused Observer says:

    Dude,
    Only one guy stepped up to complain. Olliver highlighted the whole thing in sympathy with Letterman. LOL,unless provoked I’ll probably be polite but the gloves are off. I don’t believe in PC although I’m generally polite to those who deserve it. I don’t have a shred of white guilt and can’t understand the mental weakness of those who do.

    Whether you admit it or not, despite your hair splitting ways you know the difference between right and wrong. And you know the left has treated that Palin woman
    horribly. You would be offended if I was to use the same tactics on your pet politicians. I may very well do so.

  99. Quaker in a Basement says:

    Starr’s report covered events that would occur almost a decade in the future?

    Bwah! Habit. I’m working on something else regarding events around 2005. You are correct, of course: 1995.

    I never thought I’d see the day when you would take the word of CNN over that of Mr. Starr and his staff, Mr. Tea:

    Monica Lewinsky worked at the White House, first as an intern and then as an employee, from July 1995 to April 1996. With the assistance of family friend Walter Kaye, a prominent contributor to political causes, she obtained an internship starting in early July, when she was 21 years old.(131) She was assigned to work on correspondence in the office of Chief of Staff Leon Panetta in the Old Executive Office Building.(132)

    As her internship was winding down, Ms. Lewinsky applied for a paying job on the White House staff. She interviewed with Timothy Keating, Special Assistant to the President and Staff Director for Legislative Affairs.(133) Ms. Lewinsky accepted a position dealing with correspondence in the Office of Legislative Affairs on November 13, 1995, but did not start the job (and, thus, continued her internship) until November 26.(134) She remained a White House employee until April 1996, when — in her view, because of her intimate relationship with the President — she was dismissed from the White House and transferred to the Pentagon.(135)

  100. Quaker in a Basement says:

    You would be offended if I was to use the same tactics on your pet politicians. I may very well do so.

    As I said previously, if you’re seeking permission, look elsewhere.

  101. ‘I have a slightly better record than Dick Morris.’

    Or Bill Kristol.

  102. ‘Which jug eared socialist residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. does that sound like?’

    Dumbya, but he’s gone.

  103. Jaim says:

    Barack Obama: President of the United States.

    Sarah Palin: Half-term governor who quit because she’s crazy or a scandal is about to drop.

    I think we can extrapolate what the future of the Dem and Republican parties look like, at least a little bit, from these two figures.

    But please wing-nuts, let’s keep talking about Bill Clinton. Because that’s how you’re going to save your party from annihilation.

  104. ‘You can’t see the disconnect between bitching about Palin who actually has experience…’

    Experience in quitting isn’t a stellar resume addition.

  105. Jay Tea says:

    Congratulations, Quaker. You’ve raised doubt — but not proven — about whether Clinton was banging an intern, but proved beyond a doubt that he was banging a subordinate employee. That makes things SO much better, doesn’t it?

    Actually, it does. It makes the sexual harassment laws he signed far, far more applicable.

    I believe that would be considered a pyrrhic victory…

    J.

  106. Dennis says:

    Dumbya, but he’s gone.
    —-jrfunk

    “The king President is gone but he’s not forgotten.”

    Thunderous applause greets former President George W. Bush on July 4

  107. ‘Thunderous applause greets former President George W. Bush on July 4′

    Bush will always get a hero’s welcome from those adoring acolytes who consider him a great President and a great human being, despite the obvious fact that he’s neither.

    There are still those who support Nixon, but I wouldn’t waste a minute of my time trying to determine why.

  108. Dennis says:

    I don’t spend much of my time on Pierre Trudeau, either, jrfunk. So your being a Canadian, can’t say as I blame you.

  109. Amused Observer says:

    Lol Quaker,
    You are sadly mistaken if you think I seek your permission to behave like a leftist. I notice you focused on the last portion of my post and neglected to address that which might concern your concious. No doubt an oversight.

  110. Amused Observer says:

    Hey Quaker,
    Someone else did the hard work and quite effectively undermined your Letterman challenge. Time to sharpen the razor, it’s harder and harder to split thinner and thinner hairs.

  111. Quaker in a Basement says:

    Congratulations, Quaker. You’ve raised doubt — but not proven — about whether Clinton was banging an intern, but proved beyond a doubt that he was banging a subordinate employee. That makes things SO much better, doesn’t it?

    It doesn’t.

    Please refer back to my initial post to regain your bearings.

  112. Quaker in a Basement says:

    Someone else did the hard work and quite effectively undermined your Letterman challenge.

    Taunting, AO? Is this all that remains of this tedious contretemps?

    I’ll tell you what has not been undermined: my answer to your (your?) initial question: When is it OK to make fun of the Obama family?

    Still never, friend.

  113. Amused Observer says:

    Quaker,
    That last reply is quite hollow. Of course it’s not right. That has never been point in dispute. Phrased as a question it is rhetoric. However your somewhat self righteous position has been successfully debunked. If I was to stoop to the tactics of the left in making jokes about Michelle’s slut like looks or behavior or sexulize The Obama children it would be in the sense of turn about is fair play rather than it is the right thing to do.

  114. Quaker in a Basement says:

    If I was to stoop to the tactics of the left in making jokes about Michelle’s slut like looks or behavior or sexulize The Obama children it would be in the sense of turn about is fair play

    And yet after endless days of your tedious hectoring, you have still neglected to name a single person who said Mr. Letterman’s jokes were appropriately made. Anyone fool enough to say so would contradict Letterman himself.

  115. Amused Observer says:

    Quaker,
    I haven’t double checked his sources but it appears Dennis has successfully refuted your claims. I did’t think it worthy of my time to mine the threads here to prove my case beyond a shadow of a doubt. I do remember Rotter’s comment because it stood out from the norm. You don’t honestly doubt that Letterman’s remarks have found support on the left.

  116. Quaker in a Basement says:

    haven’t double checked his sources but it appears Dennis has successfully refuted your claims. I did’t think it worthy of my time to mine the threads here to prove my case beyond a shadow of a doubt. I do remember Rotter’s comment because it stood out from the norm. You don’t honestly doubt that Letterman’s remarks have found support on the left.

    For some reason, AO, I have too much faith in my ability to help you distinguish apples from orangutans. I can’t explain this fatal hubris and yet I must live with it.

    At the time of your initial query, I posted my direct reply with an addendum: Before you protest that Mr. Letterman’s behavior obviates all boundaries of civility, please name those who defend his jokes.

    For…I dunno, seems like the last thirty years or so…you and Dennis and Mr. Tea have tried to reshape this simple challenge into something you can manage. Yet with my hair-splitting, goalpost-shifting wiles, I keep insisting that my challenge is exactly and only what I made it: name the rascals who defend such jokes.

    Dennis labored mightily and showed us comments that scoffed at overwrought and inflated outrage; that doubted the predicted collapse of Mr. Letterman’s career; that suggested Ms. Palin was inflaming the controversy for her own purposes; and that pointed out the rather public sexual history of the eldest of the Palin daughters; and one by Mr. Brown who has yet to mount even a pretense of concern for civility. Yet not one in which the commenter says, in any form, “There was nothing wrong with Letterman’s jokes. Palin’s family deserves such treatment.”

    Really, the challenge I laid out…gosh, seems like it was in an earlier geological epoch…hasn’t changed an atom. No hair splittery. No goalpost movery. Just give us a name and we’ll say, “Bad! Bad liberal! No latte for you!”

  117. ‘I don’t spend much of my time on Pierre Trudeau, either, jrfunk. So your being a Canadian, can’t say as I blame you’

    Well, considering Trudeau didn’t sell out his country or break numerous laws in a paranoid, delusional state of fear, which one would you have preferred to run a Western nation?

  118. ‘If I was to stoop to the tactics of the left in making jokes about Michelle’s slut like looks or behavior or sexulize The Obama children it would be in the sense of turn about is fair play rather than it is the right thing to do.’

    The Obamas have successfully prevented their two very young daughters from being the target of hateful, spiteful comments like these. You may not care for the First Lady, but suggesting she is ’slutty’ in looks or behavior is so clearly unwarranted as to make such suggestions utter rubbish.

    The Palins on the other hand, used and exploited their brood with all the delicacy of a Madison Avenue Big Oil campaign; they were EVERYWHERE during the campaign despite the obvious fact they were far short of the picture perfect, family values, GOP poster clan they claimed.

    You certainly don’t need to ’stoop’ to any level or tactic you claim the Left employs. You’re already wallowing down in the muck with the likes of Palin, Limbaugh, Hannity and O’Reilly who talk a good game, but when the going gets rough, they get going; unfortunately, they keep coming back.

  119. Amused Observer says:

    JrFunk,
    You are a rationalizer of the first water. I have not yet called Michelle Obama a slut and there is nothing that warrants those remarks towards Sarah Palin either.

    Your rationalization of the attacks on Palin’s children is absolute bullshit. You may not have noticed but politicians of all stripes use cheerful shots of their family and children for public relations. Perhaps you noticed a shot Oliver posted a short time back of Obama and his two cute little daughters frolicking on a lawn with thier new family pet. Are you under some sort of delusion that Ollie snapped that shot himself? It’s a typical soft sell pr pic.

    You are shallow and intellectually dishonest. Those are your good qualities.

  120. Parthenon says:

    I have not yet called Michelle Obama a slut and there is nothing that warrants those remarks towards Sarah Palin either.

    No, you just said she has a brow like Arnold Schwarzenegger’s, and looks like she’s on steroids, and trotted out the pathetic canard ‘I’m acting like a lib so it’s okay.’ You never used the word slut.

  121. Amused Observer says:

    Correct Parthenon, the frontal ridge is what it is. A common side effect of steroid abuse, that’s how Arnold got his. What I said was her ridge resembled Arnolds, steroid city is again a reference to being like Arnold’s.
    Michelle’s a big gal but lacks the definition or muscle mass typicalof steroid abuse. I didn’t say it was ok to act like a lib, I said I felt like acting like a lib. My remarks in context infer that behavior like that is not ok but I felt like taking off the gloves, roll around in the gutter and kick a little ass in the fashion of a lib. Words and the order and context in which they are used have specific meanings. English is a very precise language. I’m happy to have cleared up this little matter for you. You’re welcome.

  122. ‘Your rationalization of the attacks on Palin’s children is absolute bullshit.’

    And what attacks would those be? The fact that you continue to use personal insults for virtually every post you make is only further evidence of the completely vacuous nature of your opinions.

    Have a nice day.

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