’)Take all the politics out of it. Just try and read this from Sarah Palin. WTF is she saying? I honestly cannot understand what she is saying. I confess to not liking the way Bush spoke, but that was because it was simplistic and childlike, but Bush’s words never made it hurt your brain to decipher what he was saying.
I want Alaskans to grasp what can be in store for our state. We were purchased as a territory because a member of President Abe Lincoln’s cabinet, William Seward, providentially saw in this great land, vast riches, beauty, strategic placement on the globe, and opportunity. He boldly looked “North to the Future”. But he endured such ridicule and mocking for his vision for Alaska, remember the adversaries scoffed, calling this “Seward’s Folly”. Seward withstood such disdain as he chose the uncomfortable, unconventional, but right path to secure Alaska, so Alaska could help secure the United States.
Alaska’s mission – to contribute to America. We’re strategic in the world as the air crossroads of the world, as a gatekeeper of the continent. Bold visionaries knew this – Alaska would be part of America’s great destiny.
Our destiny to be reached by responsibly developing our natural resources. This land, blessed with clean air, water, wildlife, minerals, and oil and gas. It’s energy! God gave us energy.
WHAT?
Alaska’s Andrea Yates
Just the fact that she starts off her screed “Hi Alaska” does it for me.
Is that not totally cut from Stephen Colbert, when he refers to us as “Nation”?
The lunatic is on the grass…the lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games, and daisy chains and laughs…
Gotta keep the loonies on the path…
If I understood it , does that make me a bad person?
And, no, I have no plans to explain it to you …
Even torn from its context to make it as unintelligible as possible, I understood it. But I am used to seeing “America” and “great” used together, without sarcasm [ as in “America is great,” and not as in, “America would be great, if only we had higher taxes on the rich, or if we got out of Iraq, or if we had single – payer National Health Insurance.”
John McCain’s legacy.
She’s just saying, “people have made fun of visionaries, and people make fun of me, so I’m a visionary.”
Republican Sarah Palin: “[Alaska,] We’re strategic in the world as the air crossroads of the world, as a gatekeeper of the continent.”
If this were the 1950’s…
General “Buck” Turgidson [speaking to the President's decision to allow the Russian Ambassador, Kissoff, to come into the President's War Room]:
“Sir, you can’t let him in here. He’ll see everything. He’ll see the big board!”
-Dr. Strangelove
a gatekeeper of the continent.
Yeah, gotta watch for another massive immigration across the Bering Strait. It’s been 12,000 years, so we’re due.
Even torn from its context to make it as unintelligible as possible
Holy moley, Frank, OW reprinted three whole paragraphs without any cuts. How much more “context” is needed before she makes any sense?
From the same message { wanna pretend you don’t understand this ? – I’ll help you out with bold type }
Got it?
Republican Sarah Palin speaks in some coded message to right wing extremist “Frank DiSalle”… “Frank” explains: “And, no, I have no plans to explain it to you … “
“Frank” is still holding grudges against the liberals that broke from the British Empire in 1776, still holding grudges against the liberals that broke the abhorrent practice of slavery, and liberals that gave women the right to vote.
Because after all, why make a great thing greater?
Only a liberal would do that…
Frank saw the starburts! They fell in front of his eyes.
Sarah’s gushing fanboys just want to fuck her, they don’t care what she says.
She’s looking for a bigger payday; all this mavericky politicking was getting in the way.
Got it?
I do. It’s a 10-minute, stream-of-consciousness mishmash of platitudes and delusions that can be boiled down to just two words:
“I quit!”
I am not sure which is more painful…listening to Sarah Palin talk in that shrill, exasperated, nasal voice of her, trying to connect words in some rambling incoherent jumble as if she knows what the hell she is talking about
OR
the slobbering, gushing fawning of her from impotent baby boomer fanboys who try and defend her.
“Frank” is still holding grudges against the liberals* that broke from the British Empire in 1776
a lie
still holding grudges against the liberals* that broke the abhorrent practice of slavery
a lie
and liberals* that gave women the right to vote.
a lie
so you are a loathsome, despicable, hypocritical scumbag — and a liar.
* Those liberals wouldn’t even recognize you elitist neo-fascists…
Burn: You are as unintelligent as you are vulgar …
Quaker: Ever the nominalist, thinks that things are what he says they are. I think it says what she actually said : “My choice is to take a stand and effect change … outside government at this moment in time, on another scale … ”
Who are you gonna believe ? Me, or your lying eyes?
“My choice is to take a stand and effect change … outside government at this moment in time, on another scale … ”
Let’s see here, Frank. She’s the governor. She’s going to “take a stand outside government…”
That means she’s quitting, right?
I’m pretty sure some of the “context” of her speech bears me out on this one.
M conservative friend keeps asking me why we keep talking about her:
1. She won’t stay away from cameras and microphones.
2. I can’t stop laughing at her.
I admit it, Sarah Palin is my guilty pleasure. She’s comedy gold!
Even torn from its context to make it as unintelligible as possible
Yes, that’s clearly why I linked to it and excerpted an entire paragraph. It’s my fault Sarah Palin sounds like a goober. I’m dastardly that way.
Well Frank, assuming your Cialis prescription is filled, do you or do you not what to bang Palin?
She’s been tweeting away this morning, scrambling to dispel all the rumors Friday’s whackjob speech brought on.
It’s pretty funny to watch.
Aw Oliver, Sarah Palin is existentially incapable of any wrongdoing. That is why god invented the liberal mainstream media, to do all her wrong for her.
Anyone else remember that parody Palin response generator?
She really sounds like that.
Alaska’s mission – to contribute to America.
She galted on verbs, evidently.
BTW, what’s up on her ak.gov site has been altered. Original text is at TPM, complete with all her weird, gratuitous use of ALL CAPS. This is the one her site originally put up.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/2009/07/full-text-of-palins-resignation-speech.php?ref=fpblg
The lunatic is on the grass…the lunatic is on the grass
Burn I was thinking of a different Pink Floyd lyric:
If you should go skating
On the thin ice of modern life
Dragging behind you the silent reproach
Of a million tear stained eyes
Don’t be surprised, when a crack in the ice
Appears under your feet
You slip out of your depth and out of your mind
With your fear flowing out behind you
As you claw the thin ice
“The Thin Ice” (C)1979 by Roger Waters, from the Pink Floyd album “The Wall” (has it been 30 years already?)
I got three acronyms for cut-and-run Sally:
STFU,
GTFO, and for the sake of “Country” and humanity,
FOAD!!
seemed eminently intelligible to me…..
Maybe you guys just have a learning disorder?
Go ask The Won if you can get a grant or something…..
“The Won”?
Yes, PRESIDENT Obama certainly “won” his race. Learn to love it, chump.
Actually, I understood it just fine. What struck me as odd is it was the kind of unpolished speech you would expect in a spontaneous conversation or rough draft of an essay. Not something you give at a press conference.
Burn: Were I to wish to uh … “bang” someone else’s wife, no Cialis would be required.
So your ageist attempt to insult me was unsuccessful, and so was your attempt to sexually objectify the Governor of Alaska. We have been down this road before. It seems a lot of liberal guys want to “bang” conservative women. Conservative guys, vis – a vis liberal women ( Helen Thomas, Betty Friedan, Susan Estrich, Geraldine Ferraro ) – nah !
Oliver, I was referring to the passage you chose, and the impression it conveyed. I salute you for eschewing your usual practice , and actually making the source readily accessible. But, if you meant to make the passage unintelligible, you did not succeed. If you meant to make her address / statement seem unintelligible, you failed miserably. It looks to be a transcribed extemporaneous speech . If it was actually something else, than it lacks structure and to a degree, coherence. Is it unintelligible? No.
I think trying to make “Palin” synonymous with “whack job” is going to fail miserably. Some commenter suggested this morning that she might join, or start up, a Think Tank, and get all kinds of Foreign Policy smart.
If I were her, I would then point to (what I expect to be) Pres Obama’s failed domestic policy, and suggest that he should have paid more attention to (what I expect to be) his non – existent foreign policy.
It may not win her the Presidency, but it will make Pres Obama much more uncomfortable than Sen McCain ever did. If you’ll remember, once Gov Palin entered the race, Vice Pres Biden, Pres Obama, and his lap dog press pals, turned the whole campaign around as if she were running for President.
Now, liberal comedians are already poking fun at the Vice President, with one and one half years to go to early campaign time, Gov Palin will be running for President, and the Mayor of Hooterville will look like a better candidate than Vice Pres Biden.
WTF is she saying?
Dumbass, know-nothing, anti-science, nativist, nationalistic, smug jackassery is as dumbass, know-nothing, anti-science, nativist, nationalistic, smug jackassery does.
If you’ll remember, once Gov Palin entered the race, Vice Pres Biden, Pres Obama, and his lap dog press pals, turned the whole campaign around as if she were running for President.
She’s a charismatic leader but if we pay attention to her…no fair!
What struck me as odd is it was the kind of unpolished speech you would expect in a spontaneous conversation or rough draft of an essay.
Odd? Yes
Unpolished? Yes
But sooooo Palin !
Yesssssssss!!
Here, let me translate a few things for the clue-impaired:
“air crossroads of the world” — look up “Great Circle” and “Aleutians.”
“gatekeeper to the continent” — not just by land. See above.
“strategic placement on the globe” — a big ol’ hunk of land overhanging Canada (which, at the time of the purchase, wasn’t exactly our bosom buddy), Russia, and the North Pacific.
“vast riches” — remember the Alaskan Gold Rush? “North To Alaska?”
No charge for the lesson. Such information should be common knowledge; it’s the duty of those of us with a smidgen of a clue to enlighten the ignorant — even the willfully ignorant asses.
J.
Not unpolished, uneducated and proud of it. I have never seen before such a great avatar for the people who are proud that they didn’t learn much.
“air crossroads of the world” — look up “Great Circle” and “Aleutians.”
“gatekeeper to the continent” — not just by land. See above.
“strategic placement on the globe” — a big ol’ hunk of land overhanging Canada (which, at the time of the purchase, wasn’t exactly our bosom buddy), Russia, and the North Pacific.
And it’s “best for Alaska” if she’s not in charge?
The only way I can understand not only Sarah Palin and the Conservative reaction is by hearkening back to Marshal McLuhan. She could be reciting her grocery list and the important thing to movement Conservatives is that there was no teleprompter and that the content was delivered hsstily, impromptu and from Lake Lucille. It makes “sense” to the extent that you understand at the end that she’s quitting her office early and without accomplishment, but it doesn’t necessarily make “sense” in that she speaks in vague analogies, ambiguities and oblique references.
Well, Quaker, thanks to numerous assholes abusing the ethics laws, it’s simply not cost-effective for her or the state for her to stay in office.
It’s vaguely reminiscent of one of the very many classic LBJ stories.
Early in his career, he ordered his aides to spread rumors that his rival had had carnal knowledge of certain livestock.
“But sir, you can’t say he’s fucking sheep!”
Johnson’s response: “Who cares if it’s true or not? I want the sonofabitch to deny it!”
Who cares if the charges against her are completely bullshit? They just want her to spend her own and the state’s money defending against it.
J.
Funny, zadura, I’ve heard — and said — much the same things about Obama.
J.
Who cares if the charges against her are completely bullshit? They just want her to spend her own and the state’s money defending against it.
I see. So the best thing to do is quit. Good to know.
Of all the ethics complaints you listed earlier, most are behind her. So why quit now?
seemed eminently intelligible to me…..
No capital letter at the beginning, ended with an ellipses and two commas. Yup, she would seem intelligible to you, wouldn’t she?
But sooooo Palin !
Yesssssssss!!
Um, ew?
Why does it not surprise me that Frank is defending the writing of a speech that would get a D- at best if submitted as a high school English assignment?
Some commenter suggested this morning that she might join, or start up, a Think Tank, and get all kinds of Foreign Policy smart.
I don’t think deciding who to nuke next by throwing a dart at a map is considered “Foreign Policy(TM) smart”.
It’s vaguely reminiscent of one of the very many classic LBJ stories.
If by “vaguely reminiscent” you mean, “totally irrelevant but I want to bring it up anyway,” sure.
Her speech reminded me of this from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia. Poor quality youtube video, but yeah…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sy-q4yzcuI4&feature=related
If I didn’t write in a relaxed, conversational tone, Quaker would have nothing to say. It lets him/her/it (I think Quaker once stated to be distaff, but I am not certain) evade the point I’m making and hang up on trivialities.
J.
Jay Tea, are you trying to tell me that there is virtue, as I have heard from talk radio, in Mrs. Palin deciding and announcing her resignation within three days? Is that the kind of leader you seek?
I would much rather have someone more stoic and solid – the way I believe more classic Republicans like Jack Kemp might have been. This is a cheap, tawdry substitute for that kind of Republican.
It lets him/her/it (I think Quaker once stated to be distaff, but I am not certain) evade the point I’m making
As I have said before, Mr. Tea, don’t start the game if you don’t wish to play. You compared one thing to another and admitted the connection was “vague.” Your propensity to take offense at winning exactly the reaction you seek is strongly reminiscent of something in the news this very weekend.
No, zadura, I’m not. I’m still reserving judgment. Here, I’m mainly playing devil’s advocate.
But I will point out that it shows a decisiveness and conviction, to make such a major decision and stick to it. It shows a lack of power-craving to not only announce she’s not running, but resigning. And a certain respect for her constituents to not continue taking a paycheck when she’s being distracted from her duties by an endless stream of bullshit “ethics” charges.
Bob Dole, when he ran for president, resigned his Senate seat. It was one of the greatest acts of political character I’ve ever seen. Pity that example didn’t rub off on Kerry, Obama, or McCain.
J.
Now excuse me if I once again “focus, laserlike” on the topic at hand: where in Ms. Palin’s word salad do you divine a reason for quitting now?
Bob Dole, when he ran for president, resigned his Senate seat. It was one of the greatest acts of political character I’ve ever seen. Pity that example didn’t rub off on Kerry, Obama, or McCain.
Or Ms. Palin either.
Declining to run for a second term would have been a perfectly adequate show of not craving power. Or quitting after a week. Or not running at all.
What’s so wrong with craving power? To even run for high office you have to believe you’ve got better ideas than 99.999etc. of the population. Thankfully leaders crave power at some point; otherwise we wouldn’t have any. I believe tradition dictates that they only crave it for a specific, predetermined amount of time, known popularly as a ‘term.’
In the selection Oliver chose to highlight here, Quaker? Nowhere.
In her Friday statement? It involves a little thing called “reading.”
Dig baby, dig
Jay Tea, Bob Dole resigned to run for president. He had a lifetime of service to draw upon. To reiterate my point, Dole was a stolid figure and a Republican of high standing. You simply cannot put this man in the same sentence as Mrs. Palin without completely dishonoring the Republican legacy. If the Republican party is to survive as anything but a Southern fringe party, you would be wise to step back and look at this decision with some sense.
The message of small government, low taxes and simpler times will resonate but the messenger, Sarah Palin, has neither the intellectual fortitude nor the practical experience to deliver it. Short of that, you all are falling all over yourselves for the charisma, which more than half of America finds lacking.
Bob Dole, when he ran for president, resigned his Senate seat. It was one of the greatest acts of political character I’ve ever seen. Pity that example didn’t rub off on Kerry, Obama, or McCain.
Of course not, Bod Dole lost.
Zython, Bob Dole resigned his Senate seat because he didn’t think it appropriate to hold on to a seat (and keep drawing a salary) while committing himself to a campaign. It was a decision of great character.
Kerry didn’t resign when he got the nomination. Obama and McCain didn’t. I’d have had more respect for them if they had.
On the other hand, not having those three voting was undoubtedly a good thing, in many cases…
J.
Give it a try sometime, when you’re not being a pretentious twat.
Your exercise in namecalling may divert others’ attention, but not mine, Mr. Tea. You have studiously evaded my question in terms both broad and narrow.
As I said, the complaints you listed are behind Ms. Palin. The quote you provide even bolsters my observation. The people’s money is spent. Why quit now? Because some unnamed big meanies are writing naughty things about baby Trig?
If that’s leadership, I’d say our nation can do without it.
If you believe her reasons for quitting now are so clearly articulated, Mr. Tea, it should be a snap for you to paraphrase in a few words that a “twat” like me can understand.
Have at it.
I don’t think deciding who to nuke next by throwing a dart at a map is considered “Foreign Policy(TM) smart”.
Well, SarahPAC is still begging for money so either they’re behind the times or she’s got other plans (probably why she started SarahPAC in the first place.)
But nobody could ever accuse any of that crowd of being smart, on foreign policy or any other kind of policy.
What kind of people believe “think tank” and “foreign policy” are proper nouns??
Indictments come out this week. I can’t wait.
Jay,
You have it all wrong. Liberals would never stoop to the tactics you refer to. Letterman was an anomoly that was quickly condemned by liberals everywhere. The attacks on the kid with the birth defect, all imaginary. Repeated frivoloous ethic complaints, again all imaginary. Slur after slur piled on by liberal commentators, never happened.
Liberals are kind and tolerant, and embrace the diversity of all Americans. They believe in the rule of law and revere our Constitution. Well versed in history they are fully capable of putting things in proper context. They believe in hard work and feel that you are entitled to the fruits of your labor. They are quite concerned about freedom and liberty.
So get with the program Jay, if you don’t get the memo ask Quaker for details. He’s on top of it.
So get with the program Jay, if you don’t get the memo ask Quaker for details. He’s on top of it.
Why persist in this, AO? Someone (you, I think) asked when it would be OK to make crude jokes about Ms. Obama and her daughters. My answer then is the same as it is now: Never.
At the time I first offered this riposte, I believe I appended something to the effect of: before you start carrying on about Mr. Letterman, please be sure to point out those who have rushed to defend his jokes.
I could be mistaken, but I think the “slutty stewardess” joke was the one immediately under discussion at the time.
Why you persist in your attempt to expand my remark to matters only partly related is a mystery.
Worst.
Major Party Vice Presidential Candidate.
Ever.
What kind of people believe “think tank” and “foreign policy” are proper nouns??
Why, People with Common Noun Capitalization Syndrome, of Course!
They used to Hospitalize Them in the Past, but now We are more enlightened, and They receive Outpatient Treatment.
Quaker,
You aren’t responsible for your peers remarks but you are tarred by their brush. That’s how partisan politics are. You are most certainly a partisan. Oliver made it quite clear where his sympathies were in this affair. There were several defenders of Letterman’s quite insincere “apology”. Rotter was the only man that stood up and said Letterman was wrong if memory serves me.
I wasn’t responding to our past discussions regarding slut jokes I was bolstering Jay’s post with a little gentle mockery. Your name is only included because you and maybe Repack are the only sane people from the left who consistantly posts here.
“you and maybe Repack are the only sane people from the left who consistantly [sic] posts here”
AO, you consistently post here.
Ok Jaim,
Real slow now, which is your right hand and which is your left? Hint: most people write with their right hand. Just remember that little saying in the future.
The next one is a little harder, the political spectrum is commonly labeled right or left, liberal or conservative. Which “hand” is associated with which other label?
but you are tarred by their brush
Am not.
Oliver made it quite clear where his sympathies were in this affair. There were several defenders of Letterman’s quite insincere “apology”. Rotter was the only man that stood up and said Letterman was wrong if memory serves me.
All beside the point. I did not caution you against reciting Oliver’s opinion. I did not ask after those who defended Letterman’s apology. Nor did I ask who stepped forward to say Letterman was wrong.
I asked who defended his joke as appropriate. That is the analog to the question you asked: when is it appropriate to mock the Obama family?
Reading AO is about as annoying as watching a European soccer-game: I feel like my entire time is wasted as I see people purposely throwing themselves in the ground and wincing in practiced pain in the hopes that the ref will pull a yellow card out.
What Palin offers to conservatives is an opportunity to play the victim and allow them to express the sense of resentment they’ve cultivated their entire lives.
Right-wingers, after ten years of spittle-flecked rage and incoherence at the thought of Hillary Clinton, have to deal with the fact that she’s secretary of state. Meanwhile, Sarah Palin runs away, allowing conservatives only the solace that they have an opportunity to cry like dive-taking soccer players.
Bob Dole, when he ran for president, resigned his Senate seat. It was one of the greatest acts of political character I’ve ever seen.
You turn a guy’s decision to retire (he was old at that point) in the event that he lost the election into some kind of heroic move. Wow. Is there any Republican that you won’t mindlessly slobber over? Once again, you’re a moral coward, screeching about a democrat you’ve been told to bitch about but lacking the ability to call out republicans when moral reality calls for it. You bitch about Biden because you think it makes you sound “cool” and “informed” to the ears of other wingnuts and conservatives ignoramuses, but you lacked the moral sense and fortitude to criticize cheney, either because you were never informed enough to do so or you were afraid of raising the hackles of the conservative “element” you associate with and seek approval from. Which makes your praise of Dole’s “character” all the less credible, given how little you are capable of discerning and acting upon in your own wasted life spent supporting Bush, Cheney, and other malefactors.
I asked who defended his joke as appropriate.
The Left™, of course.
Jesus Quaker,
Split hairs as finely as you wish. You know in your heart what happened to that girl was wrong and you know who did it, and who applauded it.
BTW the LBJ thing is bullshit, as you might expect. The clever pig-fucking story was a favorite joke of his, about an unnamed, presumably imaginary in such a context, Texas sheriff.
I even have a source: The Realist. How’s that for reliable? Well, at least it’s a lot more accurate than an OW troll.
BTW, you hear about that big orgy they had as Disneyland one day when the paublic was shut out? They even made a poster of it! (Sad that they stole my kidney that nightl though.)
Why not defend Cheney, he is a fine American and did a good job defending this nation and taking the fight to our enemies. It would have been a much better ticket to have Cheney at the top and after 8 years have a wiser and more seasoned Bush now running the country instead of that jug eared socialist we currently have.
Split hairs as finely as you wish.
As I informed Mr. Tea earlier, I prefer to think of it as “sticking to the subject.” You may dangle other lures before me.
I’m no mullet.
You know in your heart what happened to that girl was wrong and you know who did it, and who applauded it.
That girl? I assume we’re not talking about Marlo Thomas.
If you’re referring to Mr. Letterman’s weak jape about Willow (or, maybe Bristol) Palin, then, yes it was wrong, but not for the overwrought, feigned outrage reasons bandied about on rightwing blogs. This would not be the first time that Mr. Letterman has judged badly, nor will it be the last.
Now the nub of the matter: who applauded it.
Who?
(And, BTW, I do hope you are speaking of a minor when you refer to “that girl.” I’d hate to think you routinely call 45-year-old women “girl.”)
Liberals are kind and tolerant, and embrace the diversity of all Americans. They believe in the rule of law and revere our Constitution. Well versed in history they are fully capable of putting things in proper context. They believe in hard work and feel that you are entitled to the fruits of your labor. They are quite concerned about freedom and liberty.
I confess to all of that. You’ve pretty much nailed me.
Kerry didn’t resign when he got the nomination. Obama and McCain didn’t. I’d have had more respect for them if they had.
I’m just saying that there was a reason they didn’t want to emulate Bob Dole’s example. After all, doing so pretty much ended his political career, and considering what he had to do to get money afterwards, I wouldn’t want to take chances either. Good character is nice, but dignity has its own price as well.
Besides, had Obama or Kerry done that, it would’ve been spun as a sign of arrogance, not good character.
Why not defend Cheney, he is a fine American and did a good job defending this nation and taking the fight to our enemies.
Things more popular than Dick Cheney.
You aren’t responsible for your peers remarks but you are tarred by their brush.
So what you’re saying is that there’s nothing wrong with associating you with right-wing terrorism? After all, you’re tarred by their brush.
Oddly enough, not one person has bothered to disagree with or condemn jr — whose comment tops the comments here — who compared Sarah Palin to Andrea Yates, the Texas woman who murdered her own children.
Gee, what a surprise — nobody here wants to stand up for simple decency and tell jr to shut the fuck up.
Quaker, you might have noticed (when you weren’t reprimanding jr) that one of the complaints is still pending, which means it’s still running up the tab. (It’s the one that says that she should not have accepted money for her legal defense fund.) There’s no indicator that this stream of bullshit charges would have abated any time soon.
As far as articulating reasons why she quit… I did that here already. I know you read it; it was the same comment where I called you a twat.
Proving once more that when you focus so tightly on one tiny point, you overlook everything else. Most of the time, it’s convenient, isn’t it?
J.
It’s so precious when wing-nuts start whining about political correctness and being “nice,” because I remember being told in no uncertain terms that I was a terrorist sympathizer for questioning the validity of the bullshit claims Cheney and Powell were making to start an illegal war in Iraq.
So yeah, making jokes about anybody’s kids is bad. But please, spare us the sanctimony. You guys were and are perfectly content to call Hillary a “bitch” if not worse (we know McCain did), and yet I’m supposed to shed tears for mean ol’ bloggers making fun of a demonstrably stupid and unbalanced ex-politician named Sarah Palin? A woman who simply couldn’t hack politics or is possibly facing some sort of scandal?
You guys are so full of it’s funny.
Quaker, judging by how often conservatives get painted as racists for not agreeing with the groupthink here about exactly what is racist and how far the outrage should go, and you’re not speaking up about it when the charges are levelled, just the defense of the perpetrator here is judged worse than applauding it; heck, merely not showing the same outrage gets a charge of being an enable to racism. Can’t tell you how many times CSS has made the claim that not calling Limbaugh a racist on here defines someone as a racist. Even when News Reference makes his bizarre associations of every conservative poster here, which ar far past the point of ridiculousness, you never speak up and tell him to just STFU, much less say you don’t agree with him.
But to anwser you question about who applauded Letterman, here are a few from here that I think either qualify or at the very least should get an honorable mention:
As mentioned, these comments strike me as pretty tame compared to what we’ve heard about Hillary and Chelsea Clinton from the mouths of wing-nuts.
Again, McCain’s the one who called a teenage girl “ugly” and suggested she was the offspring of Janet Reno.
So basically you can take all your faux-outage and shove it.
Jai, buddy, soory to keep reminding you, but you keep throwing the same crap against the wall and expect people to believe you someone different than who you really are. Saraqh Palin has hacked100 times more than you ever have or ever will. You come nowhere even on the same planet as far as accomplishment. Sarah didn’t have parents who sent her to a prestigious private school, and she had none of the advantages you did. Even here looks weren’t all that great in high school and college, so the shape she’s in now is all on her and what she does to keep in great shape. She may have quit her position but she didn’t quit on her country like you admitted you did. I could list all the things she’s done and compare and contrast to yours but I’m sure everyone is quite aware of both and just who it is that’s so full of it when it comes to who could hack it and just who can’t.
Why don’t you name one or two things in your life that you think you have a leg up on her as far as what you’ve accomplished or what you’ve overcome or even what you’ve hacked that she hasn’t?
Do you know anything about this quote, Jaim? Is the transcript anywhere on file that I can read it or hear an audio of it? Do you know why there wasn’t an outrage in the press about it, or anything about the circumstances? You think this one quip is supposed to excuse bad behavior carried to extremes by the Left with Sarah Palin and her children, but do you know anything at all about it that you could inform people here just what is about which you speak?
Sarah Palin quit a governorship. Indeed, that’s something I’ve never done.
“Even here looks weren’t all that great in high school and college, so the shape she’s in now is all on her and what she does to keep in great shape.”
Because a woman can’t be a good politician if she isn’t pretty? The routine misogyny and racism you and AO spew is beyond belief, and you don’t even realize it.
And again, you love to talk about my professional life and you don’t even have a job. I’ll say this much — teachers contribute a hell of a lot more to the common good of the world than self-serving politicians like Palin. Quitting under a suspicious cloud and not even serving a full term? Only on planet wing-nut could this be seen as a “success” of any sort.
Get a job, Dennis. You really need to get out more. And be grateful that you probably had some teacher at some point who realized you were a limited, severely flawed human being but did his or her best to push you in the right direction. I mean, it didn’t make you employable but hey, I’m sure somebody tried despite their better judgment.
What’s next? Criticizing people for beings cops, soldiers, or nurses? You’re a sick, sad excuse for a human being. But you already knew that, didn’t you?
Dennis, you’re an idiot but you probably can use Google. Try “mccain chelsea clinton joke” and you’ll find plenty.
Beyond that, please don’t try to deny that calling Hillary a bitch is commonplace among Republicans and has been for years.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/14/video-of-mccain-supporter_n_72652.html
At the end of the day, you’re never going to win a fight over Republicans being less nasty as a species than Dems. You see, there’s a reason women, blacks, gays, and hispanics overwhelmingly vote “D.” That fact speaks for itself.
Didn’t say that, didn’t imply it either. I’ve read countless times that the only reason she got where she is is because of looks. I’m saying it’s not like she was born with the kind of looks that one would expect her to carry into her mid-40’s like she has- she had to work at it. I mention that because I asked you just what advantage she had that you didn’t, and I figured you’d throw that one out there.
Maybe that’s true, maybe that’s not, but what have you as a teacher contributed to this country that is so superior to what she as a politician, not to mention wife and mother of five children and a grandchild, mayor, and governor of the largest state in the US, has done? She quit to climb another mountain for the good of the country she says; you quit this country to go teach in a foreign land that paid you a few more dollars of which you also admitted was also very crappy. How is Sarah Palin’s move so much worse than yours?
I’ve never criticized you for being a teacher and I’ve never criticized teachers- I’ve told you my wife is a teacher- I’ve only criticized you for doing what you did and for criticizing people who didn’t do what you did and are working here to make this country a better place instead of moving away and criticizing it because it didn’t give you what you think you deserved. Sarah Palin worked her rear end off and has never complained that this country couldn’t provide for her.
What you’re doing is called obfuscating, Jaim. I asked you for any kind of transcript of the McCain joke and how it was reported at the time to show you why there wasn’t outrage when it happened. You couldn’t, so you give me a link to the McCain ‘bitch’ comment. Even there, you just had accused McCain of making the comment, which was incorrect again on your part, wasn’t it? So McCain didn’t react as he should have to a woman who called Hillary that name and what, should have smacked her down? This proves what exactly, especially since at the time he and Hillary were considered very good friends.
I don’t remember Republicans calling her a racist, Jaim. I do remember left-wing blog sites calling her that, one in particular that you post on and didn’t object to when she was called that. So why the feigned outrage now? She’s been called plenty worse than a bitch on a particular blog that you comment on, yet no record of you complaining.
Funny that, isn’t it, Hypocrite Jaim?
I salute you for eschewing your usual practice , and actually making the source readily accessible
Oh shut the fuck up Frank, when possible I always link to the source so shove your bullshit accusations where the sun doesn’t shine.
As for the rest of you: Wow, Palin fanboys is crazy.
As too is the Palin Derangement Syndrome.
One woould never know there was any kind of unrest in place like Iran and Honduras, that we just has yet another highly discouraging jobs report, that N. Korea launched seven ballistic missiles over the weekend, that Obama is in Russia, or that California is on the verge of bankruptcy.
No, someone just casually dropping by here would assume people here think Sarah Palin was far worse than Ahmadinejad, Zelaya, Chavez, Kim Il Jung and Hamas all combined.
Actually, they’d assume people here thought her family was worse than them, too.
Dennis, actually, I think that Mrs. Palin is about on par with George W. Bush – hopelessly incompetent, delusions of grandeur, messianic complex, highly manipulable. Has it ever occurred to you that the animosity that Mrs. Palin generates is entirely because there are cultists out there so mesmerized by the charisma and sexy mom chic that they overlook her incredible lack of fitness for office.
zadura, I’ll concede some of those things, but would you also say exactly the same things hold true for Barack Obama?
My guess is you wouldn’t. My guess is your inclination is to say Obama is far more competent, his delusions of grandeur are only slight, that he has little to no messianic complex, and that he’s not being manipulated by anyone or any group, that he’s his own man. My guess is you’d say yes, there are cultists who only look at the charisma and looks of Obama and completely disregard his faults, but nowhere near as much as Palin’s supporters do.
All of to which I would say is undeniable bullshit. But I shouldn’t put words in your mouth and I apoligize if I did.
And zadura, since you put her on par with George W. Bush, who won two presidential elections and one mid-term election, would you admit an element of fear exists in you then with regard to her appeal, and that the level of hatred toward her has more to do with not allowing that to happen again?
No one here is willing to admit that so far. The bloghost says there are holes in that theory. You seem to be confirming it.
Which side would you say is more the case?
Lol Jaim,
Misogyny? Why not throw in the kitchen sink. By the way strictly speaking, in the fashion of Quakeresque hairsplitting, teaching is not a profession. It is however, one of the easiest degrees to get. Sadly the quality of teachers has been declining for decades. An interesting observation, if graphed the line for GPAs have been going up as the line for SAT scores goes down. Teaching is an art not a science.
Your condescending remarks speak volumes about both your attitudes and your fitness to be a teacher. But your fitness never really has been in doubt. You’re not fit enough to keep steadily employed here and we’ve set the bar pretty low.
And zadura, since you put her on par with George W. Bush, who won two presidential elections and one mid-term election, would you admit an element of fear exists in you then with regard to her appeal, and that the level of hatred toward her has more to do with not allowing that to happen again?
Wow. Dennis just won’t let go of the “Fear Factor”. Let me be the first to state that when she was first selected, I was nervous. I could see the gamble McCain was making and I could imagine how it might play well, particularly after Hillary’s extended, at times vitriolic, campaign with Obama.
But then she opened her mouth, and that fear vanished and I (and all my liberal friends) felt something akin to a cool breeze on a hot August day. I have never seen such a flameout in my entire life, Palin made Dan Quayle look like Churchill. The Couric interview, in particular, where she demonstrated a remarkable inability to answer very simple questions (and a complete inability to sidestep mildly tricky queries) was a total embarrassment. That conservatives have heard her speak and still rate her highly elucidates the insanity of the modern conservative movement.
But, by all means, compare her to Obama again and again. It just demonstrates how clueless you are.
LOL AO, you are defined by your impotent rage.
AO-
Jaim went to an elite private school and I believe he’s said he went to Ivy league schools for both undergraduate and graduate degrees, yet he’s claimed George Bush’s economy afforded him no decent opportunities, so he had to go abroad to teach. My wife has an undergrad degree, but not her teaching degree yet, and she had no problem getting a job here in the United States recently after being a stay at home mom the last 18 years that pays her over 1 1/2 times (closer to twice, actually) more than Jaim whines about what he is making right now.
Something doesn’t seem to make sense. Either Jaim was lying about the economic situation that he couldn’t find a decent opportunity and just wanted to take a swipe at Bush for the fun of it, or there is something very disturbing on his resume that the folks in S. Korea either don’t know about, or chose to overlook.
Crusty Dem-
Several points,
1) Let zadura speak on the fear. I think my point was valid to her.
2) You were afraid once. But then she opened her mouth and the fear subsided. First when she opened her mouth that you heard I’m assuming was at the Republican Convention, and her speech was jaw-dropping, even to liberals and the state-run media lemmings. McCain’s poll numbers put him above Obama’s right after that and libs shit their drawers and it was fun to watch. If Dems would’ve lost that election, and they could’ve without the economy doing what it did, you guys would’ve been in an incurable state of apoplexy for the next four years that would’ve made the last eight years look like a Disneyland vacation. In truth though, what happened at the same time within a week after that, the stock market began tanking, and never let up. That in a nutshell, is what happened. Everything after that, is pure speculation, including your bravado chants here of ‘Ha-ha, we kicked your ass all over the place’. The economy melt-down was a god-send for you, and it’s one that will continue to be a god-send for you as it continues to get much worse. Blame Bush Forever!
3) She was plucked out of Alaska too soon. Given the economic woes and McCain’s inability to speak intelligently on it, yes, Romney would’ve been the better choice had he known. Still wouldn’t have mattered. But even Obama said she had an impossible task to get up to speed on world affairs and everything she needed to learn for a presidential fight, and she did.
Total failure, Dennis.
You didn’t give me even one example of anyone defending Mr. Letterman’s joke. You gave me several examples of people commenting on the matter, but not one says the jokes were in-bounds.
My reply to AO remains: making crude jokes about the Obama family becomes acceptable never. If you fellows feel you need to ask permission to do so, I’m happy to direct you elsewhere.
As far as articulating reasons why she quit… I did that here already. I know you read it; it was the same comment where I called you a twat.
Proving once more that when you focus so tightly on one tiny point, you overlook everything else. Most of the time, it’s convenient, isn’t it?
Except you haven’t articulated anything, Mr. Tea. You neglected the operative word: now. Why quit now? Why in such a hurry? Why after the ethics pending ethics complaints are mostly settled? Are you really imagining the explanations offered are all there is to know?
Actually, all you have done is rehash a few of Ms. Palin’s self-pitying excuses, seasoned with your own ill-tempered namecalling.
As for my focus, I, like you, choose the issues I wish to address and the time I wish to address them. If I followed along on each and every one of your diversions, these discussion threads would twist and turn endlessly. Our conversations on any topic would become entirely unbounded. We’d start out discussing missile defense and end up debating the merits of chocolate cake.
As I have said previously, offer your shiny lures. I am not obliged to bite.
Are you serious, Quaker. You don’t think OW saying ‘it was a poorly-constructed joke, at worst’, is somehow not defending it. That’s just one example, but seeing as how many posts on Palin since that incidence, the things he’s said, and the defense of Letterman by posting twice about the crowd outside that I argued were not representative of who he claimed they were, how can you say that wasn’t an example of his defending the joke.
If I had said the ape-shooting cartoon in the NY Post was at worst a poorly constructed joke, I would’ve been called a racist for defending it.
Oh wait, I was.
You don’t think OW saying ‘it was a poorly-constructed joke, at worst’, is somehow not defending it.
Sounded to me more like a criticism of the fake outrage pouring from every corner of the righty blogosphere: “OMG! Letterman is raping a young girl with his mouth! Just wait ’til the previously-unknown Cynthia Yockey gets down with him!!”
Changes nothing. It’s still my opinion that Mr. Letterman’s offenses, real or imagined, do not justify making fun of the Obama family.
down, should be “done”
Except you haven’t articulated anything, Mr. Tea. You neglected the operative word: now. Why quit now? Why in such a hurry? Why after the ethics pending ethics complaints are mostly settled? Are you really imagining the explanations offered are all there is to know?
So, Quaker, how would you determine when it would be appropriate for her to say “enough?” It seems like a good time to me — only one pending bullshit ethics allegation left (accepting money for her legal defense fund), the Letterman thing has blown over, and this will give her Lt. Governor enough time to establish a track record before the next election.
Also, it might be a good time for a summer vacation.
It’s a surprise move. It pulls the rug out from under her enemies, and leaves them wondering what the hell she’s up to, and what to do next.
Oh, you forgot a chance to correct me: There are three outstanding ethics charges against Palin. Very, very sloppy of you, Quaker.
Andreee McLeod has two outstanding complaints about two Palin staffers worked to benefit Palin’s interests while on state time. Two of McLeod’s other complaints have already been dismissed: that a Palin supporter got a state job as a surveyor, and Palin mentioned her vice-presidential bid on her official web site.
There is no evidence that McLeod would have stopped with the bullshit any time soon had Palin not stepped down. And McLeod was simply the most proliferate of the bullshit artists.
J.
Dennis, I am not a huge Obama fan but the people who are equating his experience and understanding of American government with Mrs. Palin’s are not being genuine. Obama didn’t have the experience but had the intellectual rigor. Neither GWB nor Mrs. Palin have either experience or intelligence.
The reality is that I am afraid of a Palin presidency. I am an American, and I love my country. I don’t like giving the helm to those who haven’t proven themselves capable.
Well, I happen to agree with that, Quaker. Obama’s girls have nothing to do with anything involving politics and should be left alone, as they have been. I admired Obama at the time for speaking up about the attacks on Palin’s daughter were wrong, but sometimes I wonder if that only served to increase the attacks from Obama supporters not directly tied to the campaign. Even here, you have jrfun calling Palin’s family a dysfunctional family on the order of the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, whatever he meant by that. You have Jaim constantly bringing up the McCain joke as an excuse for cries from the left of ‘unleash hell’ on Palin’s family and that no one on the right has a right to be offended about attacks on an 18yr old,
And since nobody else has shown the least inclination to say anything to Jaim about his comparison of Sarah Palin to Andrea Yates, the woman who murdered her five children, let me be the first and only voice to speak up:
Fuck off, you wretched waste of skin and oxygen thief.
J.
… a 14 yr old, or even a 1 1/2 year old. Or even stupid rumors about who the real mother of the 1 1/2 year old is.
So, Quaker, how would you determine when it would be appropriate for her to say “enough?”
Me? “End of her term” has a nice ring to it. I won’t take time to rehearse all of the motivational, character-building aphorisms I’ve encountered over my many years (you know, “When the going gets tough…” blah, blah). A few scant months ago, fellows like you were touting Ms. Palin as just the right woman to face down Vladimir Putin. Now you’re telling us that a few (legally filed) ethics complaints are too much for the woman to bear?
Business as usual in the conservative goalpost relocation business, eh?
Never mind. Shall we put you down as believing there is nothing Ms. Palin has left unsaid about the reasons for her sudden resignation? Will you call me a “twat” again if I bring up the subject again when we see any new revelations?
Oh, crap… my apologies, Jaim. I meant jr.
Now I’m a bit more sympathetic to those who’d mix up me and “Jay” of the New York Yankees icon…
J.
Well, I happen to agree with that, Quaker. Obama’s girls have nothing to do with anything involving politics and should be left alone, as they have been.
Careful there, Dennis. This mild bit of horse sense is liable to set you at odds with AO and Mr. Tea. Prepare yourself for day after day of hectoring about matters both related and not.
Fair point and I appreciate your honesty on the fear factor, zadura.
This article by Ross Douthat in the state-run press is not too far from how I feel about her as well…
Palin and Her Enemies
She should have said no.….
McCain’s poll numbers put him above Obama’s right after that and libs shit their drawers and it was fun to watch. If Dems would’ve lost that election, and they could’ve without the economy doing what it did, you guys would’ve been in an incurable state of apoplexy for the next four years that would’ve made the last eight years look like a Disneyland vacation. In truth though, what happened at the same time within a week after that, the stock market began tanking, and never let up. That in a nutshell, is what happened. Everything after that, is pure speculation, including your bravado chants here of ‘Ha-ha, we kicked your ass all over the place’. The economy melt-down was a god-send for you, and it’s one that will continue to be a god-send for you as it continues to get much worse. Blame Bush Forever!
Fantasyland non sequitir FTW!! And if your aunt would’ve had balls? It’s interesting that you need to believe that us liberals are all full of the fear, but most of us weren’t exactly quaking for the 3 days of the expected, temporary convention bump. You can look at the archives here and compare with this plot: http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/08-us-pres-ge-mvo.php.
Like I said, I was nervous for a day or two. The point is that any “fear” was completely unjustified, as she was and is a completely unqualified, vapid, incoherent, rambling mess. To suggest that liberals fear her today is like saying we fear dinosaurs. We might fear them if they were an actual threat, but they’re not, and your insistence that we are based on some alternate-world situation is about as relevant as Jurassic Park.
No, Quaker, you can put me down as one of those who heard what she said, heard what she didn’t say, and looked into the facts surrounding what she said — and found it entirely plausible.
As I’ve noted before, these bullshit ethics charges have already cost her twice her family’s annual income and equaled about 40% of their net worth — and that’s in less than a year. How much more will the assholes bleed her for over the next 18 months? If you round things off a bit, $500K/year for another 18 months adds up to $750,000. That’s a shitload of money for a family that started out at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder.
Not to mention three of her children already being put on the firing line, including a seriously developmentally disabled infant. No one’s gone after the one serving in Iraq, but that couldn’t be far behind.
She hinted at those reasons, mentioning them in a non-whiny way, and I give her statements credence. They are entirely consistent with known facts.
Tell you what, Quaker — you think she should stay in office? Then I presume you contributed to her legal defense fund to help her ward off the bullshit attacks so she can stay focused?
I thought not.
J.
Careful there, Dennis. This mild bit of horse sense is liable to set you at odds with AO and Mr. Tea. Prepare yourself for day after day of hectoring about matters both related and not.
Now, now, Quaker. I have been a fierce opponent of using political figure’s children against them, and have argued in their defense on numerous occasions.
There was one time when a particularly evil thought overrode my inclinations and I let a good line get past that tendency, but I’ve been remarkably consistent except for that one time.
(For the record: I thought it would be quite entertaining if Chelsea Clinton attended the opening of the Clinton library in a blue dress and black beret. And I still find that a very inappropriate and very funny thought.)
So yeah, the Obama girls should be off limits. So should Biden’s children. And Palin’s children. And the Bush twins. And Chelsea Clinton.
Until they get involved with politics or get caught breaking serious laws. (Chelsea hitting the campaign trail, Al Gore’s son nailed for drugs and reckless driving, those persistent rumors about a certain politician’s daughter and large amounts of cocaine all being prime examples.) Then they’ve made their choices.
J.
Quaker,
Dennis has successfully removed the basis of your position. Accept it. There is no reason to duplicate my remarks that I just posted on another thread. No one is asking your permission to engage in the tactics of the left or even justifying it for any reason other than spite.
Tell you what, Quaker — you think she should stay in office? Then I presume you contributed to her legal defense fund to help her ward off the bullshit attacks so she can stay focused?
Oh woe! Dispair! I am struck!
Great scott, Mr. Tea. You’re practically in hysterics here. Now you’re saying I’m obliged to defend Ms. Palin against all charges if I think she, as an elected official, might finish her term in office?
Well fine. Add it to the list of other obligations you have invented for me. I’ll see to them all when I’m able.
No one is asking your permission to engage in the tactics of the left or even justifying it for any reason other than spite.
So your initial question was a mere rhetorical flourish then? You might have said so sooner. We could have skipped this entire tiresome exchange.
And no, Dennis has attempted nothing of relevance and proven nothing at all.
(For the record: I thought it would be quite entertaining if Chelsea Clinton attended the opening of the Clinton library in a blue dress and black beret. And I still find that a very inappropriate and very funny thought.)
For the life of me, I’ll never understand what passes for humor amongst your tribe.
Quaker, you’re not being fair. Sarah Palin clearly did the bravest thing imaginable.
Quaker,
It’s only tedious when you split hairs into infinetely thinner and thinner strands while moving goalposts farther and farther away in an often successful attempt to keep opponents chasing you to your subsequent merriment.
Psh. Flatterer.
LOL
The yates comment is so typical as to barely register. That it is beyond the pale and worthy of a hearty condemnation is obvious yet somehow wearisome. Kudos to JT for his yeoman’s job of forcefully calling bullshit upon the left.
Why, People with Common Noun Capitalization Syndrome, of Course!
They used to Hospitalize Them in the Past, but now We are more enlightened, and They receive Outpatient Treatment.</i
If only we could get something for ALL CAPS Disorder.
Dennis,
That Jaim has been educated above his intellectual ability is plain to see. Your wife undoubtedly had the benefit of common sense in her search for educational employment. Jaim is a brash young man, quite full of himself who has a lot of growing up to do. It is a somewhat guilty pleasure to poke holes in his immature view of the world. I really should find something more worthy of my time, at some point shooting fish in a barrel is pointless.
That it is beyond the pale and worthy of a hearty condemnation is obvious yet somehow wearisome.
Worthy of hearty condemnation? By all means, have at it. You’re not the kind to sit idly by, waiting for someone else to do it for you, are you?
Really, if we’ve reached to point of spraying each other with the you’re-offended-by-this-but-didn’t-condemn-that seltzer bottle, it’s time for you to climb back into your little cars and make way for the trapeze artists.
If only we could get something for ALL CAPS Disorder.
And Dangling Tag Disease.
I agree with that about Jaim and I’ve thought the exact same thing; it is too easy to take him completely apart. He just keeps coming back, though. Like Jason in the Friday the 13th movies.
That and he just epitomizes the typical smug, arrogant, sanctimonious, and elitist liberal that thinks they represent what’s good about this country. And he f’ing left this country!
It’s just too precious to pass up, AO.
Quaker,
You’re reaching. You can do better than that. The last line works pretty well but your setup is uncharactoristicly weak.
They can’t all be gems, AO.
someone just casually dropping by here would assume people here think Sarah Palin was far worse than Ahmadinejad, Zelaya, Chavez, Kim Il Jung and Hamas all combined.
If she was in a comparable position of power? She would be.
Duros,
You’re making a fool of yourself with remarks like that.
Please explain, Duros. I’d like to hear a well thought out reason why you think she’d be worse than those examples, if you don’t mind and have the time.
Was Bush worse than those people? He was in a comparable position.
If only we could get something for ALL CAPS Disorder.
And Dangling Tag Disease.
Dangling Tag Disease? WHERE DO I SEND THE DONATION??!!?!!?
J. (Relieved to finally have a name to put to my condition…)
No, someone just casually dropping by here would assume people here think Sarah Palin was far worse than Ahmadinejad, Zelaya, Chavez, Kim Il Jung and Hamas all combined.
Has Mr. Zelaya been promoted this easily into the pantheon of nasties conservative fear are hiding under the bed?
A week ago, you couldn’t have picked him out of the crowd in a phone booth.
Neither could anyone here, most likely, Quaker. Not so with Sarah Palin. No, she’s hot in that milfy kind of way and she says dumb things and her kids are dysfunctional and it’s so much fun to make fun of them. Besides, we haven’t even begun to cover everything there is to know about her- there’s just gotta be a huge scandal lurking out there on her (speculatively speaking, of course, per News Ref). Let’s have five more threads on her and party like it’s 1999- just forget that Rome is burning all around us.
That’s a shitload of money for a family that started out at the bottom of the socioeconomic ladder
Chump change for professional grifters.
Let’s have five more threads on her and party like it’s 1999- just forget that Rome is burning all around us.
She held a press conference, Dennis, presumably to gain the attention of the press. Now you want to complain that they’re paying attention to her?
I’d like to hear a well thought out reason why you think she’d be worse than those examples,
Think of it as George W. Bush squared. The damage she would have done to the US’s reputation would last a generation, maybe 2.
A week ago, you couldn’t have picked him out of the crowd in a phone booth.
Neither could anyone here, most likely, Quaker. Not so with Sarah Palin.
Oooh, I’d take that bet.
She held a press conference, Dennis, presumably to gain the attention of the press.
Late Friday afternoon before 4th of July weekend. So it doesn’t seem like she wanted too much of their attention.
Why is that, I wonder?
I’d like to hear a well thought out reason why you think she’d be worse than those examples,
Think of it as George W. Bush squared. The damage she would have done to the US’s reputation would last a generation, maybe 2.
Illogical. Illogical.
All units relate.
All units.
Norman, coordinate.
J.
Sorry, I just got sick of having a laughing stock for a president. Just me, I guess.
Ah, Duros, how nice to see someone else who remembers the good old days of the Clintons’ rise to power! Cattle futures, real estate scams, “rainmaking” at prestigious law firms…
Heady days, indeed. Thanks for reminding us, Duros.
J.
Cattle futures, real estate scams, “rainmaking” at prestigious law firms…
Real estate scams? Hey, I was joking the other day when I accused you of not believing Mr. Starr. My mistake. Looks like you really don’t put any credence in his work.
Don’t mention it, Mr. Jay.
Yes, real estate scams, Duros.
And thanks for the well thought out response to how you thought Sarah Palin was worse than Ahmadinejad, Zelay, Chavez and Hamas combined.
Can you give me another well thought out response to how you think Sarah and Todd Palin are grifters?
I know that’s a lot to ask for one thread but if anyone can, it’s you, my friend.
who compared Sarah Palin to Andrea Yates, the Texas woman who murdered her own children.
At least Andrea Yates didn’t name any of her children after a toothbrush.
and governor of the largest state in the US, has done?
Talk about moving goal posts. When people refer to state size, they usually mean population. After all, land can’t vote. Or is it that you think it should?
who compared Sarah Palin to Andrea Yates, the Texas woman who murdered her own children.
Well, finally, someone willing to stick up for jr. Way to go, Zython!
At least Andrea Yates didn’t name any of her children after a toothbrush.
Geography-impaired Zython is apparently unfamiliar with Bristol Bay.
And are you SURE you wanna pick on parents who give their children unusual names, Zython? I used to be represented in Congress by a Democrat (Dick Swett — honest!) whose six children all had rare named, with the final (a son) being saddled with “Atticus Omega Swett.”
And that’s not mentioning the Obama girls…
J.
Sigh… what was the address for that Dangling Tag Syndrome foundation?
J.
Palin is a good study of the ‘nutured narcissist’. Until McCain’s campaign, she was on an success roll most of us can only dream of. Parents, looks, friends, family, church, fans, health, jobs, luck… winning streaks that gave her ego quite the pump.
But her ‘effort-reward ratio’ created a false sense of ability, maybe even feelings of invincibility and entitlement. When the law of averages caught up with her and adversity happened (Trig, Bristol, the McCain campaign, scandals, the media, blogs…) all at once, she didn’t have the inner resources to handle it – inner resources that usually comes from having successfully overcome significant amounts of adversity.
I’d say that she really has been knocked silly by all this. My prediction is that she’ll lick her wounds for a while in the safety and comfort of family, friends and fans, follow up with some highly lucrative appearance deals, and then when her self esteem is pumped back up to the unrealistic and narcissistic levels she’s accustomed to, she’ll go back to her same old game.
Zython,
You’re proving that you know nothing about Alaska, Bristol Bay is to Alaska as Manhatten is to New York.
You also quite obviously haven’t much experience with folks from our larger states. Both Texans and Alaskans think size matters and the Texans don’t bring up population trying to bolster their claim. Instead they profess that alaska is cheating and if you melted off the ice Texas could once again claim the crown as the biggest state in the Union.
That being said Your mother must be like Andrea Yates, but she missed one. That doesn’t seem very couth does it?
Supporting a completely unqualified and obviously ignorant candidate like Republican Sarah Palin says more about the modern day right wing than anything else.
It’s astonishing how many thousands of words her supporters have written trying to defend a bizarre and panicked and completely unprofessional speech where she quits the one job that earned her attention.
“I believe he’s said he went to Ivy league schools for both undergraduate and graduate degrees”
Jesus Christ you’re a fucking moron Dennis.
Wasilla is the fifth largest city in that biggest state of all. And remember, city hall had a drive thru window:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/319098225_e3fb99541f.jpg
Most impressive.
Every City Hall should have a drive through window.
11 days to go…
You also quite obviously haven’t much experience with folks from our larger states.
Uh, hate to say it (ok, that’s a lie) but I’m from Texas.
Both Texans and Alaskans think size matters
No, it’s how you use it.
and the Texans don’t bring up population trying to bolster their claim.
I just did.
Instead they profess that alaska is cheating and if you melted off the ice Texas could once again claim the crown as the biggest state in the Union.
I’ve lived in Texas for over 20 years and have never heard anyone say anything remotely similar to what you said.
Geography-impaired Zython is apparently unfamiliar with Bristol Bay.
Doing some research, I found out that Bristol Bay was named after the Earl of Bristol, which in turn is named after the English city. While I could point out that naming your child after a place is a moderately less stupid idea, I’ll be nice and only point that that there are three more names to explain.
You’re proving that you know nothing about Alaska, Bristol Bay is to Alaska as Manhatten is to New York.
Call me when a public figure names their child Manhatten.
That being said Your mother must be like Andrea Yates, but she missed one. That doesn’t seem very couth does it?
First off, I don’t recall bringing your mother into this. Secondly, since I have a brother, that’s pretty unlikely.
Alaska is the third smallest state by population.
47 other states are bigger.
Even more American cities are larger than Alaska.
Sorry Jaim, buddy, the truth hurts sometimes. The most basic of intuition would dictate that you have some very serious skeletons in that closet of yours if you couldn’t find a job in the states and had to run all the way to East Jablip to find one. Fits right in with your hatred of this country.
Was it perhaps a conservative who turned you down here? Or one who found out about you and turned you in? Your kind of hatred doesn’t usually appear for no reason other than blind ideology.
Right winger “Dennis” is impressed by one of the many right wingers working at the NYTimes.
The article by right winger Ross Douthat on Republican Sarah Palin is idiotic (but then much of what right wing NYTimes writer Ross Douthat writes is idiotic).
Ross Douthat’s article dismantled.
Ross Douthat’s article dismantled, again.
And Ross Douthat’s article dismantled, again.
It must be ‘dismantle Ross Douthat’s article day’.
Maybe it’s just that Ross Douthat’s article is so easy to dismantle that everyone is dismantling right wing NYTimes writer Ross Douthat’s idiotic column.
News Reference goes to the well again. The cesspool, I should say.
His old stand-by, Andrew Sullivan. At least this time you linked to him instead of just repeating him. Feeling a little tinge of guilt about not doing it before, Mr. Serial Plagiarizer? Or is it just that you got caught at it that you decided to be a little more careful.
For the record, Newsie, none of those was a ‘dismantling’. Sorry, but Steve M., Josh Rosenau, Pareene, Freddie, and Blue Texan are, like you, NOBODIES. They didn’t dismantle, they just posted their opinions, which, like assholes, everyone has one.
Nowhere men in nowhere land. You need to get a life and get away from the wacko far-left loon sites, News Reference. You’re a seriously deranged obsessive-compulsive lying creep like your compatriot from Canada. You probably think Andrew Sullivan is the one source you linked to that gives you some credibility on this topic. Excitable Andy, the Trig Truther, who thinks he’s an ob-gyn. Your hero.
Flame on, Newsie.
“Dennis” you don’t believe anything.
But I do appreciate you building Oliver’s website.
In that sense you are useful.
So, sure, flame on and on and on.
I forgot to mention one of your other dismantlers, Newsie.
Mustang Bobby from the blog Barkbarkwoofwoof.
This is your contribution?
This is how you earn the moniker ‘News Reference’?
When I told you a couple days ago that you were Andrew Sullivan’s bitch, did you take me literally and Google ‘woof woof’ to find that blogger, Newsie?
You are sick.
You’re becoming increasingly unhinged, hateful, and nasty “Dennis”.
Or is this who you’ve always been and your frustration at being unable to articulate a coherent argument has finally unmasked your true nature?
“Dennis”, at least “Amused Observer” and “Jay Tea” “believe” things (even though they are detestably racist and crazy beliefs).
“Dennis” you are just a follower, a weak-minded Stormtrooper that takes orders and doesn’t think through what you are doing or saying.
You don’t have beliefs of your own, you’ve clearly never examined the beliefs of those you follow, and you just regurgitate the right wing talking points of others.
But again, I appreciate how you manage to discredit both yourself and the right wing you falsely believe you are helping.
AO and Jay Tea aren’t racists. You, on the other hand are a closeted anti-Semitic that was exposed and hurriedly denied it and ran right back into that closet.
And you’re the one who said he got duped by the corporate media, whatever you meant by that. Seems to me you you’re the one who needs to go to the far-left loon sites to know how to think. I caught you at the Andrew Sullivan one last night. You obsessively comb other netroots loon sites to know how to repeat what they say and make it appear as if it was your original ideas. You’re nothing but a fraud.
It’s odd, for all of the things I’ve said about the right wing trolls that lurk here, perhaps the worst thing I could say (so far) is that their common failing is their fanatic support of Republican Sarah Palin.
Republican Sarah Palin managed to garner the support of the right wing’s racists, fanatics, thugs, and fools simultaneously.
The right wing’s support of Republican Sarah Palin has done more to marginalize the right wing as a ridiculous and unserious fringe movement than eight years of their support of the disastrous Republican Bush Presidency.
Three Cheers for Sarah Palin: Hip, Hip, Horay! Hip, Hip, Horay! Hip, Hip, Horay!
Your babbling again, “Dennis”.
Do you remember what your psychologist told you about that behavior?
lol
Now you’re repeating me “Dennis”.
Me, 8:05: ““Dennis” you are just a follower, a weak-minded Stormtrooper that takes orders and doesn’t think through what you are doing or saying.”
Dennis, 8:15: “You obsessively comb other netroots loon sites to know how to repeat what they say and make it appear as if it was your original ideas.”
LOL. What a clown.
Newsie, you repeated yourself. You’ve said the exact same thing with the exact same links in the same post, so ask yourself who’s the serial repeater. And I caught you at passing off Sullivan’s postings as your own thoughts. So something you’ve been caught at you’re trying to transfer the blame by saying I do what you did, only you have nothing to support it. Save for links to blogs that go by the name of ‘barkbarkwoofwoof.
“Dennis”, you are confusing me with one of the other subjects of your addled rants.
The article that “Dennis” is talking about that takes their turn dismantling Ross Douthat’s poorly thought out column on Republican Sarah Palin does a good job:
“… before we start working up the pity party for Sarah Palin, let’s remember that she brought all of this on herself. Not because she said “Yes” to John McCain (which reminds us to wonder what kind of judgment Mr. McCain used to choose an untested and unvetted candidate for vice president in the first place), but for what she said afterward. She invited all of the attention to her family and her tenure as governor, and then got worked up when people and the press had the temerity to actually look into them. It had nothing to do with her gender or her social class, and to make those the excuses does no favors to feminism or the struggle for the ordinary person to gain some political clout.”
People actually examined Republican Sarah Palin’s record and discovered it was wafer thin and even the shiny parts were just over-buffed mirrors designed to reflect the bigotries and prejudices of angry right wingers.
Zython, remember the song “Chelsea Morning?”
It ain’t quite Manhattan, I’ll admit…
J.
LOL Zython,
Your using population to rank state size suddenly makes a lot of sense. Who would have guessed you’re a Texan. Your ignorance of AK. is still impressive.
“a closeted anti-Semitic”
Written by Dennis “Liebowitz.”
Can you give me another well thought out response to how you think Sarah and Todd Palin are grifters?
I know that’s a lot to ask for one thread but if anyone can, it’s you, my friend.
How about you bite me, denny?
As I’ve said before, it is my opinion. I don’t trust either of them and I don’t know how you can.
Alaska is the third smallest state by population.
47 other states are bigger.
Even more American cities are larger than Alaska.
It does lead the nation in date rape, however. And meth addiction. so there’s that.
Ross Douthat’s article dismantled.
How do you say his name?
Is it “dough hat” or “doubt that”?
Either way seems appropriate.
Nowhere men in nowhere land. You need to get a life and get away from the wacko far-left loon sites, News Reference. You’re a seriously deranged obsessive-compulsive lying creep
Oh, sweet, sweet irony. Someone has a pretty high opinion of themselves, don’t they?
Denny, where is your blog?
“Can you give me another well thought out response to how you think Sarah and Todd Palin are grifters?”
Republican Sarah Palin was charging Alaskan taxpayers to fund her families vacations.
Republican Sarah Palin was charging Alaskan taxpayers to fund her and her families vacations both within the large state of Alaska but also to fund their vacation(s?) to New York (plane fare, food, and lodging for a big family is expensive [was it more than one vacation? and for how many days? I don't recall offhand]).
Republican Sarah Palin was charging Alaskan taxpayers a per diem to work out of her private home even while she had a nice public Governor’s mansion that was also provided to her and her family at taxpayer expense.
I believe that was the substance of the most recent of the many ethics complaints filed against her. (And what was up with that tanning bed of hers?)
Republican Sarah Palin charged the Republican Party (? or was it just Republican John McCain supporters) $150,000 dollars in clothing charges at expensive stores for her and her family in just a brief period of time.
The average American family doesn’t earn more than $50,000 dollars in a year. Republican Sarah Palin managed to blow more money on fancy clothes in a few short months than an average American family earns in three years.
That’s just off the top of my head and doesn’t include the unsubstantiated rumors that were circulated about how the Palin’s built their 3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath home on a Mayor’s salary and a manual-laborer’s alternating jobs. (Palin didn’t keep the Governorship for very long, it will be interesting to see what perks she might walk away with for quitting.)
The Palin’s were estimated at being worth a cool million last I read, pretty amazing, for a Gubmint worker and a manual laborer…
When I told you a couple days ago that you were Andrew Sullivan’s bitch, did you take me literally and Google ‘woof woof’ to find that blogger, Newsie?
My blog, Bark Bark Woof Woof, has been around since 2003, and I’m also a contributor to The Reaction and Shakesville.
But thanks for all the traffic.
I think when people go off quoting “wacko far left loon” bloggers, like Justin Raimondo, John Cole, Andrew Sullivan… to try and prove a point… well, it’s just plain wrong.
Yes, a four month harangue and cross examination and the only thing you and CSS come up when I ask for an example of racism.
Then surely you’ll agree that saying “the militant right-wing Michael “Savage” Wiener.
You didn’t say anything though, Jaim. Where were you?
And I told you before, it’s ‘Leibowitz’.
Newsie, why is that you obsessively link to seven articles from out in left field on Ross Douthat, then make an untrue charege and not provide any link at all. I know the answer but how do you even sleep at night. Sarah Palin didn’t just go on a shopping spree and charge all those clothes back to the RNC. Some staffer went out and bought them. And Palin gave all the clothes back after the campaign.
See why everyone here tells you what a piece of shit you are. And you do get this stuff from bizarre conspiracy theory places.
Google their finances before you go off spouting stupid shit off the top of your head. They both had businesses before. Todd was an industrious person, as was Sarah. They made decent money before she was mayor in combined salaries. The house isn’t palatial by any stretch of the imagination. If you feel like it, look up their charitable contributions and compare their giving to both the Obamas and the Bidens if you want to be fair-minded about it.
And their net worth was reported at just over a million dollars…that was before the crash, so who knows where it is now. And they have a $500,000 legal tab to settle all the frivolous ethics charges. Why do you only read the crap and not the f’ing facts, dope?
A millin dollar net worth isn’t rich, especially not when you have five kids. That might cover educational expenses for them, maybe. And their house as I’ve pointed out to you, is nothing ‘palatial’ for seven people to get around in.
This is just basic stuff, News Reference. You should be embarrassed, if only shame was something you could identify with.
And I told you before, it’s ‘Leibowitz’.
No, you see what he did there, denny? There’s a lie in liebowitz.
Republican Palin’s multi-thousand dollar Paris Hilton type shopping spree was reported in the Republican owned and operated Politico.com.
alin wasn’t planning on giving the clothes back until it shredded her fake ‘average person’ act.
The increasingly right wing Disney/ABCNews listed the Palin’s worth at about a million dollars, which is far out of reach of the vast majority of Americans, suggesting otherwise explains your nasty, elitist, arrogant attitude, “Dennis”.
But the Republican elite aren’t average folk like the majority of US. Republicans turned their backs on regular Americans a loong time ago.
A 3,450-square-foot, four-bedroom, four-bath home is palatial to anyone not living in a delusional bubble, say, like someone who forgets how many houses they own.
Keep spinning your lies, “Dennis”, it just shows how out of touch the right wing is.
Oh really, Newsie?
Rasmussen: Obama still slipping
Barack Obama’s “passion index” rating dropped to the lowest level of his presidency, according to the latest Rasmussen polling. Thirty-six percent of respondents now strongly disapprove of his performance, compared to 33% who strongly approve, giving him a -3 rating. The poll does not completely cover the period of time since the last unemployment report, meaning that he may still drop further:
Gallup: US moving conservative ideologically
Despite the results of the 2008 presidential election, Americans, by a 2-to-1 margin, say their political views in recent years have become more conservative rather than more liberal, 39% to 18%, with 42% saying they have not changed. While independents and Democrats most often say their views haven’t changed, more members of all three major partisan groups indicate that their views have shifted to the right rather than to the left.
Quinnipiac:
President Barack Obama gets a lackluster 49 – 44 percent approval rating in Ohio, considered by many to be the most important swing state in a presidential election, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today. This is President Obama’s lowest approval rating in any national or statewide Quinnipiac University poll since he was inaugurated and is down from 62 – 31 percent in a May 6 survey.
Obama’s Katrina
The economy is shaping up to be Barack Obama’s Katrina. If President George W. Bush was blamed for his slow response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 — there was plenty of blame to go around, of course, but the disaster was on Bush’s watch–then Obama will get the blame for his slow response to the current recession. The difference, of course, is that Katrina afflicted a city and a few states, while the recession afflicts the whole country.
Americans are just now starting to come out of their slumber.
Well gee, if Dennis Leibowitz says Americans hate Obama than it must be true!
Get a job, Dennis. Support your wife.
Jaim, I’ve supported my wife for 21 years and she’s supported me for 21 years. We support each other. Maybe one day you’ll experience first hand how that works so you don’t have to keep making clueless comments like that. You’re over 30 years old, you should know that without the real experience. Maybe that’s why it is you’re having trouble, why you keep running away from things.
Tell me why it is you have this burning desire to find out what it is I do. Is it because you want to learn something?
I have a burning desire to find about when Dennis’ told the world: I’m goin conservative!
Was it a family thing?
A ‘911 changed me’ thing?
Did a gang of liberals mug you once?
Da gubmint screw ya bad?
The aha moment. Learn us. You tell us yours and we’ll tell you ours.
Eating cheetohs and trolling on a liberal blog is not supporting your wife, unemployable Dennis.
But you found a woman willing to put up with a lazy bigot like yourself. Congratulations, I guess.
Jaim, you don’t want to know what factor applies to your salary vs. my average commission over the last 3 years. Maybe you do, though. You seem to be petulantly goading me for some weird reason.
Is today ‘I showed you mine, now you show me yours’ day at the kindergarten, Jaim?
Well, freDdie, it was about the time I started pulling in some nice commish checks and seeing where it was going. It was about the time of the Jimmy Carter misery years. I got pretty decent money market returns, it’s just that inflation was up around 18% too, so it really didn’t mean much. A conservative named Ronald Reagan provided that ‘aha’ moment.
Barack Obama wants to be the next Ronald Reagan. Barack Obama is no Ronald Reagan. We’re likely headed back to those Carter misery years. And God help us all if it does.
The D does the job of your “die.” And no showing here – this is a family blog. I paralleled John Coles route. I think the “best and brightest” should reap rewards and receive punishments, in government and corporations, the way the rest of us have to.
A conservative named Ronald Reagan provided that ‘aha’ moment.
Guess the funding of Central American death squads and ignoring the AIDS epidemic really did it for you.
Zython, if you’ve ever even once lauded George W. Bush for his approving massive funds for AIDS research, I have yet to read it.
And that makes you a hypocrite. A hypocrite who also happens to be a clueless twit who always shows up late and makes totally irrelevant comments.
Republican Ronald Reagan was no Ronald Reagan.
Hollywood entertainer Ronald Reagan was a fictional character his entire life. Reagan was too weak to serve the military in World War II (or at least managed to evade service with that excuse), Reagan abandoned his first wife, Reagan alienated his children, and Reagan sold out America.
And those were the least of Republican Reagan’s crimes. Reagan funded terrorists around the world and repeatedly broke the law throughout his Presidency.
And for funding terrorism and repeatedly breaking the law right wing extremists celebrate Ronald Reagan.
It’s sick.