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It’s excessive in light of the sentencing for murder; but it’s long been understood that stealing wads of dough from the uber wealthy in the US is a crime far worse than killing someone.
That being said, anyone who would feel sorry for this piece of slime who defrauded investors for years is misguided at best.
As for the investors themselves, as long as the supposed profits appeared to be flowing, they didn’t seem very concerned about how it was garnered, so their level of outrage and betrayal is somewhat hollow in my opinion.
stealing wads of dough from the uber wealthy in the US
They weren’t all wealthy, though.
they didn’t seem very concerned about how it was garnered
Isn’t that the point of a firm like this, that you don’t have to be watching their every move, because you don’t know much about finance? If you were well-versed financially, wouldn’t you just invest your money yourself?
White collar criminals are heroes to the Galties
“Who Will Stand Up For The Rich Crook?”
Answer: Right wingers, their puppet Republicans, and the right wing activist Supreme Court Justices.
‘They weren’t all wealthy, though.’
Granted, but hey all had the same greedy intent, but admittedly that isn’t a crime.
‘Isn’t that the point of a firm like this, that you don’t have to be watching their every move, because you don’t know much about finance?’
Likely so, which begs the question; should you really trust anyone else with your money?
I think for anyone reading this author’s thoughts on the judge’s showmanship of handing down a 150 year sentence for a man of Madoff’s age and concluding he was ’sticking up for the rich crook’ is taking some very liberal poetic license, to say the least.
I’ve read it three times now. I could read it 150 times and I still couldn’t conclude that he was ’sticking up for the rich crook’.
Dennis,
no one stood up and suggested that we stone him….Oliver sees that as a sign of weakness.
Let’s quote the title…”Why the Madoff Sentence is Too Long”
Hmmm, doesn’t sound like ANY sort of defense to me. No sir. He just titled his little rant out of sheer coincidence.
Word to the wise, Burn. Titles don’t always tell the whole story.
Sometimes, quite often for some people as it were, the titles are quite inaccurate and nowhere close to the actual text. But I digress.
Well then Dennis, you are either pretty fucking dumb, or you just want to defend the indefensible. I’ve noticed that about wingnuts, they always seem to think everything needs to be ‘fair and balanced’. The Democrats did it too! Waaaaaa!!
Let’s go to the videotape
Putting Madoff in prison, of course, does nothing to protect society. He harmed people through the bloodless act of stealing their money. So long as he doesn’t start an investment firm — something that’s not going to happen — he’s no threat to society.
Defense #1, poor poor Bernie only stoled the moneys, so he’s not a bad person really. He won’t hurt anyone.
But even a 12-year sentence is a pretty severe punishment. His life expectancy is 13 years and the rigors of prison life — particularly for a man used to living at the height of luxury — hardly seem likely to extend that. Even with the shortest sentence on the table, in short, Madoff would probably die in prison anyway. The sentence length he received is little more than a bit of judicial showmanship. It has no useful purpose.
Defense #2, since Bernie is an old fart, this is an excessively harsh for him, oh no. Poor Bernie. Why are they being so mean to him?
Madoff also displays many of the factors that tend to reduce individuals’ sentence length. He had strong ties to his community, a previously clean criminal record, and an apparently strong family life. An ordinary defendant would likely be able to use these factors to argue for a reduced sentence
Defense # 3
He was such a nice Jewish boy, he never did anything wrong before this, yer honor. Really, he won’t do it again, promise! He loved his family too!
So Dennis, you really should just know when to hold your cards and keep your mouth shut sometimes. You might look like less of an idiot, but you’ve pretty much cemented your stupidity here so I suppose I shouldn’t expect anything less from you.
Well, in Madoff’s defense, among his victims were quite a few liberal and ultra-liberal organizations, so there’s a mitigating factor… he did some good with his crimes.
Having actually read the article, it seems a bit sensationalistic in the title, but the argument is that the actual sentence, the recommended sentence, and the requested sentence (150, 50, and 12 years) all add up to the same thing, for all intents and purposes: he’s gonna croak behind bars.
Good riddance.
J.
I’ve always wondered why they don’t just say “for life.” What is the point of that? Just in case he lives to 221?
Is it some symbolic need to distinguish between the heinousness of life-worthy crimes?
Who here thought they’d ever agree with Jonah Goldberg on anything?
Likely so, which begs the question; should you really trust anyone else with your money?
There’s an argument to be made there, for sure. I suppose the possibility of getting hooked up with a schyster is one of the many risks of getting into investing. If you looked at the odds I imagine it’s a negligible risk, relative to other ways to lose your money.
Call the sentence showmanship if you like, but what Madoff did has effectively killed the lives of many people through financial means. What he did ruined many lives and it deserves steep punishment. If you looked at each instance of fraud committed during the years of his activities, 150 years seems more like a bargain and hopefully the sentence will serve as a deterrent for anyone else who might consider similar activity.
And, as just a reminder, while dear sweet Bernie was stacking up the pyramid, the SEC went after… Martha Stewart.
Not that that’s entirely fair, mind you – there’s no reason that the SEC couldn’t chase after Bernie and Martha simultaneously. The police have been known to arrest more than one criminal per day. However, the priorities seem a bit… skewed, somehow.
Well, in Madoff’s defense, among his victims were quite a few liberal and ultra-liberal organizations, so there’s a mitigating factor… he did some good with his crimes.
Fuck you too, asshole. I don’t see anyone here crowing about conservative groups getting screwed by Madoff. Not that they should, either.
‘Well, in Madoff’s defense, among his victims were quite a few liberal and ultra-liberal organizations, so there’s a mitigating factor… he did some good with his crimes.’
Wow, so as long as you agree with his politics, no harm no foul?
‘There’s an argument to be made there, for sure. I suppose the possibility of getting hooked up with a schyster is one of the many risks of getting into investing. If you looked at the odds I imagine it’s a negligible risk, relative to other ways to lose your money.’
I’ve always felt that investment firms and stock trading amount to more or less the same thing; gambling.
You might as well go to the track or play the lottery.
‘…150 years seems more like a bargain and hopefully the sentence will serve as a deterrent for anyone else who might consider similar activity.’
How do you effectively deter greed or any other human vice?
Even the death penalty doesn’t deter murder.
It does once your dead….
“Burn”: “Well then Dennis, you are either pretty fucking dumb, or you just want to defend the indefensible.”
“Burn”, right winger “Dennis” is both dumb and willing to defend the indefensible.
And “Burn”, please don’t discourage right winger “Dennis” from regularly discrediting himself and his right wing talkinpoints.
lol
For anyone feeling sorry for old Bernie, maybe he will get time off for good behavior.
The judge was grandstanding. A 24 year sentence would have guaranteed him 16 years in prison, and he never would have lived to see the end of the sentence.
In New York , Parthenon, last I heard , “life” = 42 years, he could conceivably get out in 14 …
I suppose if he had nearly chopped two people’s heads off, or molested a bunch of children, he could have been acquitted altogether.
If he shot a cop in the face in the Bronx, he would have got five years max…
Eat the rich!
Parthenon, in a lot of cases parole, probation, and the like is based on percentage of total sentence served. For example, in some states you’re eligible for parole after 60% of your sentence is completed, provided you’ve behaved yourself. In Madoff’s case, that would be a bit over 7 years of a 12-year sentence, or 90 years of a 150-year sentence.
Oy vey, Funk — that was “black humor.” I didn’t mean it. NOBODY deserved to get taken by this man. However, regardless of his reputation or past accomplishments, there is an old aphorism that should have been applied — “if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.”
Madoff was reporting amazing returns for a very long time. That should have made SOME people suspicious. In fact, it did — but nobody would listen to them.
J.
Republicans would defend Madoff even more strongly if he murdered a doctor.
So am I correct in assuming that our liberal progressive friends here value life over money? Or is it money over life? In any event we can judge thier intellectual honesty the next time we have another Tookie Williams etc. etc. etc.
Frank DiSalle: “Eat the rich!”
Eat the rich? That’s what this guy did. And a lot of middle class and poor people, since he robbed a lot of charities as well as rich clients.
As far as I’m concerned, he committed thousands of acts of felony fraud. He should have been charged one count for each time he accepted money knowing he had no way to pay it back.
If he doesn’t die in jail, his prison term was too short. As you pointed out, a ‘life sentence’ could have been as short as 14 years, and people live past 85 all the time. Hell, the average 71-year old will live another 12.66 years. (Am I the only one with an actuarial table bookmarked?) Granted, prison will take its toll and lower than life expectancy, but I think if he thought there was a chance he could see freedom, he would live that long.
The lack of hope will kill him faster.
And to that I say, ‘Good.’
He deserves it.
Amused Observer: “So am I correct…”
No. It doesn’t matter what the rest of your post says. Given your track record, you could only be correct by accident.
First, jrfunkenstein, there is a massive difference between gambling, which is a zero-sum game, and stock markets, which over hundreds of years have been discovered to be the most efficient means of transferring capital between businesses that are successful and businesses that are not. I hate when liberal animosity toward the negative effects of capitalism overwhelm the massive value created by capitalist systems.
Second, this is not an ordinary “fraud” in any sense of the word. Madoff swindled about $65 billion dollars from a lot of people. To put that in perspective, the total amount of online banking fraud cases in the U.S. per year is $2 billion affecting nearly 2 million people. How much time would a punk who stole carbon copies out of a dumpster get if he were caught transferring money from your account? This guy is 32 times as bad as the aggregate of all those punks. He’s lucky he’s not just overtaken by the mob and pulled limb from limb.
I have no idea why anybody would feel compelled to defend this asshole. It is not conservative principle to be lenient toward property crimes. This is particularly true since his presence undermines the efficacy of a self-regulatory securities environment.
Cs,
Critical thought was never your strongpoint.
Isn’t it cute when right wingers are suddenly for empathy and compassion when the criminal is a white collar white male that steals billions of dollars.
As right wing Commentary Magazine sociopath “Jay Tea” explains, some of the money that Madoff looted might have been taken from “quite a few liberal and ultra-liberal organizations, so there’s a mitigating factor… he did some good with his crimes.”
Right wingers are fine with crimes as long those crimes are committed against someone they don’t like.
It’s Right Winger’s First Rule: Rules Are For Other People.
Oh, poor “Newsy” — apparently it’s news to him/her/it that I was JOKING when I said that. He/she/it didn’t even notice that I’ve already stated I was kidding.
“Humor,” “Newsy” — look it up sometime.
J.
Jay Tea,
News Reference’s jealousy toward other people’s websites’ is pretty apparent, isn’t it? Just one brief glance at the abomination he calls his blog leaves one dizzy and nauseous, like the guy has never heard the phrases ‘Less is More’, or ‘Keep It Simple Stupid’.
He’s not content with his own site of sloppily strung-together links of every liberal meme, falsehood, trutherism and talking point. No, he has to go to other people’s blogs and attempt to do the same thing there, like some slob who appears at the door of a friend’s house just to use the bathroom, and after doing his business and forgetting to flush the toilet, promptly goes on his merry way.
‘It does once your dead….’
While that’s true enough, a deterrent is supposed to prevent others from committing the same crime, not necessarily only those who are already apprehended.
I have zero problem with the sentence, but I do think the judge grandstanded a bit.
I am curiously waiting for Oliver’s coverage of the Monica Conyers scandal.
Maybe I should get a hold of a very comfortable chair while I wait?
‘Oy vey, Funk — that was “black humor.” I didn’t mean it. NOBODY deserved to get taken by this man. However, regardless of his reputation or past accomplishments, there is an old aphorism that should have been applied — “if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.”’
Pardon the misinterpretation J, but given your track record of like minded sentiments, you can hardly blame me.
‘I hate when liberal animosity toward the negative effects of capitalism overwhelm the massive value created by capitalist systems.’
If you want to consider stock trading anything but sanctioned gambling, that’s fine with me.
I simply disagree. The very fact that Madoff could engineer this kind of Herculean crime and get away with it for so long means the system is fraught with problems that can allow this kind of gigantic larceny.
I’m all for capitalism, but just because it’s the best of a bad lot doesn’t make it above reproach.
If anyone misunderstood the intent of my first comment on this thread and was offended, I apologize.
There, I just gave the standard liberal non-apology, so all should be forgiven now. No admission of error, blaming the misunderstanding on the offended, and putting a conditional on the whole shebang — did I miss anything?
J.
Rea: Jay Tea – “Humor,” “Newsy” — look it up sometime.
Isn’t amazing how conservatives manage too look like 11 year old bullies so often? They try to get away with every cheap shot they can, and then when they’re called on it, it’s always the same: “Geez, we were just joking! Can’t you take a joke?”
No. The attempt at humor failed, and it was, in fact, extremely rude. Civilized human beings apologize in such circumstances, rather than following their insult with further insults.
Jay – You forgot Saint Ronnie’s formulation: “Mistakes were made.” He more or less invented the non-apology; I’m not sure why you call it a liberal trope.
jrfunkenstein, it’s not my place to give you lessons on finance and the role of efficient markets. Suffice it to say that if you are “all for capitalism” but see stock trading as little more than “sanctioned gambling,” you are not really for capitalism at all.
J.G.Thayer: “‘Humor,’ ‘Newsy’ — look it up sometime.”
This from the man who thought United States of Jesusland was a call for secession.
You are a fucking hypocrite.
Amused Observer: “Cs, Critical thought was never your strongpoint.”
Actually, it is.
Someone with logical reasoning skills can see when a source it fatally flawed.
You are one such source.
Hooper, it was BLACK HUMOR.
And like all humor, it is based partly on fact.
Madoff was a big liberal, and a big supporter of liberal causes. My theory about why the left is so, so outraged over this is out of a sense of betrayal. He was one of them, and he robbed them blind.
I feel a tremendous amount of sympathy for Madoff’s victims, and hope that the draconian sentence imposed is part of a bargaining strategy to get the sonofabitch to cough up where he stashed some of it to get it back to them. Him rotting in jail until he croaks might be emotionally satisfying, but it doesn’t address the real consequences of his crime and help make his victims whole.
I’d be OK with him getting five years — or less — if he found a way to repay his victims and mitigate some of the harm he caused. But he either can’t or won’t, so fuck him — let him rot.
That being said, I’m having a bit of trouble being too upset that asshats such as the JEHT Foundation got put out of business over this whole mess. Sometimes bad things happen to bad people.
And to note it is no great crime.
J.
Pot….kettle
Stones….glass houses
Mote….Beam
Camel….crooked neck
One saving grace for you, Css. Kevin Bacon lost almost his entire fortune due to Bernie Madoff, so in a couple years when you’re veg’ing on the couch watching the Blu-Ray version of Footloose 2010 and you see him embarrassing himself in a starring role, you’ll have Madoff to thank for the work you’re getting.
So,
Clouds…..silver lining.
And,
Your logical reasoning skills……Fail
CS:(Am I the only one with an actuarial table bookmarked?)
Yes.
this is not an ordinary “fraud” in any sense of the word. Madoff swindled about $65 billion dollars from a lot of people
And let’s not forget at least two people killed themselves as a direct result of his actions.
Him rotting in jail until he croaks might be emotionally satisfying, but it doesn’t address the real consequences of his crime and help make his victims whole.
I tend to agree, Jay. I can’t help but think the 150 year sentence was a nod to the mob outside.
On the other hand, “The sentencing, while high, isn’t a record for financial fraud. In the past decade there have been sentences as high as 330 and 845 years.”
-WSJ
Oh, what the hell:
Mary Jo Kopechne was unavailable for comment.
J. (Cue Conan O’Brien singing “I’m a-gonna go to hell when I die…”)
J.G.Thayer: “My theory…”
Like I told Amused Observer, you are fucking stupid. Your theories are fucking meaningless.
We were pissed off at Enron as well. Were they liberals?
Me: “You are a fucking hypocrite.”
–The Southern Strategy And Various Other Trutherisms
Thank you for calling me Southern Strategy. Every time you do that, you remind people how racist the GOP is, and how you would rather defend racism that try and stop it.
Dennis the Bigot: “Pot….kettle
Stones….glass houses
Mote….Beam
Camel….crooked neck”
I was able to show why J.G.Thayer was a hypocrit. Can you do the same?
“One saving grace for you, Css. Kevin Bacon lost almost his entire fortune due to Bernie Madoff, so in a couple years when you’re veg’ing on the couch watching the Blu-Ray version of Footloose 2010 and you see him embarrassing himself in a starring role, you’ll have Madoff to thank for the work you’re getting.”
Nothing says jealousy like making fun of someone who watches movies for a living.
“Your logical reasoning skills……Fail”
If that was true, you would have been able to show evidence.
You didn’t even try.
J.G.Thayer: “Him rotting in jail until he croaks might be emotionally satisfying, but it doesn’t address the real consequences of his crime and help make his victims whole.”
Same can be said of murder. Should we let murders go free?
“I’d be OK with him getting five years — or less — if he found a way to repay his victims and mitigate some of the harm he caused. But he either can’t or won’t, so fuck him — let him rot.”
Why not do both?
“That being said, I’m having a bit of trouble being too upset that asshats such as the JEHT Foundation got put out of business over this whole mess.”
Yes. Cause trying to fix a criminal justice system that is clearly broken is a terrible thing to do.
“Sometimes bad things happen to bad people.”
Hopefully it will come true with you very shortly.
“And to note it is no great crime.”
Remember that next time an asshole like Jerry Falwell dies.
•
No, see, you’re quite wrong there, CSS, and I’ll just kill two birds with one stone here. Calling you Southern Strategy only reminds people what an obsessed, moronic hypocrite you are about race and the way you relish playing the PC cop here every chance you get,even when you have to make it up to do it. When you call people ‘retards’ and ‘fucking retards’ you either don’t know or don’t care that many people consider that on par with calling someone the N word as far as hatefulness, bigotry and callousness. They aren’t related, but many of the same character flaws apply to the people who use the epithet. That makes you the hypocrite more than anyone else who posts here, and that is saying something. Maybe in Canada the word ‘retard’ is acceptable, but with your proximity to the US border and your obsession with this country’s bigotry you’d have to know that you were being a complete ass on purpose.
See above. Also see your recent defense of News Ref’s obvious anti-Semitic reference to Michael Savage by calling him a far right-wing extremist and then putting quotes around Savage along with mocking his Jewish birth name. This from you after your having spent the last four months compulsively railing about Jon Stuart Leibowitz. Fucking hypocrite. Somehow you think this displays critical thinking and logical acumen on your part. It’s nothing more than fifth grade bantering, and you love doing little else that that.
No, you didn’t. You said “This from the man who thought United States of Jesusland was a call for secession.” I posted a link on that thread that day about Texas’ governor and his mention of secession, that several people had floated the idea about secession immediately after the 2004 election, and the ties to the Jesusland map. It wasn’t all just fun and games, so there was no hypocrisy on Jay Tea’s part, just your typical ignorance.
Daily Kos Jesusland
Democratic Undergound/ Jesusland secession
Salon.com: Lawrence O’Donnell on The McLaughlin Group, Secession/ Fuck America
Liberal hero and West-Wing creator Lawrence O’Donnell: “These sentiments were so pronounced that they migrated into the mainstream. Speaking on “The McLaughlin Group” the weekend after George W. Bush’s victory, panelist Lawrence O’Donnell, a former Democratic Senate staffer, noted that blue states subsidize the red ones with their tax dollars, and said, “The big problem the country now has, which is going to produce a serious discussion of secession over the next 20 years, is that the segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don’t pay for the federal government.”
I mean this in all sincerity, and you can go back and count the actual posts, Mr. Actuary, but far and above the majority of the time you post, you fail to show any evidence of anything. Real, concrete evidence. You’re not quite as bad as NR, who only links to far-left nutjob sites, but for you, most time it’s just the ‘you’re too fucking stupid’, ‘you’re a fucking retard, no one should ever listen to you’ type of childrens games you love to play.
Like this:
<blockquote"Hopefully it [bad things] will come true with you very shortly."
WTF is that. If late I called you out for wishing bad things on people, you’d deny it and call me a liar, like when you said told AO here he’d likely be dead within a year, then claimed you didn’t wish for him to be dead.
Now Now Now,
We can’t hold CS accountable for his actions. He has a condition. Besides being a dyed in the wool liberal, some people can overcome that, he is a sociopath. As he has stated he doen’t feel the normal emotions a mentally healthy man feels when he is enraged and flying off the handle. And it doesn’t matter to others what CS is saying, good bad, or indifferent, simply because it is CS saying it. For a Canuck to be so obsesed with the political trials and tribulations of the lower 48 is really kind of amusing. Canadians suffer from an inferiority complex because there they are, same common stock, same continent, and yet we are a world power, have invented all kinds of cool things and they are, well they are Canadians. Good at hockey, fairly good at drinking, live in a society with very little free speech. Try voicing your opinion about something politically incorrect up there.
So CS comes down here (virtually) where he can rant and rave to his heart’s content free from hate speech laws and generaly make an ass out of himself.
Dennis the Bigot: “No, see, you’re quite wrong there…”
I know you are fucking retarded, and a racist asshole as well, but it is clear to most people with functioning brain cells that the GOP is full of racist assholes.
Case in point, the man who came in second in the race to become the leader of the RNC had to quit is WHITES ONLY COUNTRY CLUB. In the 21st century, he belonged to a WHITES ONLY COUNTRY CLUB.
I bring that up, and most people think, ‘Wow. The GOP is racist.’
I bring that up, and you think, ‘Wow. C.S.Strowbridge is obsessed.’
That’s reality.
I know you are too fucking stupid to figure that out, but that doesn’t change the facts.
“When you call people ‘retards’ and ‘fucking retards’ you either don’t know or don’t care that many people consider that on par with calling someone the N word as far as hatefulness, bigotry and callousness.”
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Oh wait, you’re serious.
Maybe you should talk to Lewis Black about that.
CS,
And so when the Wise Latina has to quit a no males allowed club that is an indication of what?
AO: “We can’t hold CS accountable for his actions. He has a condition. Besides being a dyed in the wool liberal, some people can overcome that, he is a sociopath. As he has stated he doen’t feel the normal emotions a mentally healthy man feels when he is enraged and flying off the handle.”
No, you laughing simpleton. You only think I’m flying off the handle. I’m very calm when I type this, and I can prove it. How many people do you know who can type HTML code in an excited state? How many do you know who will change double quotes to single quotes, because that’s grammatically correct. I use an apostrophe when I shorten ‘retard.’
You only think you are getting under my skin.
It’s further proof that you are stupid.
No. It’s further proof of projection. You fly off the handle when you reply to my posts, don’t you? Perhaps it’s all that caffeine you’ve been drinking.
“For a Canuck to be so obsesed with the political trials and tribulations of the lower 48 is really kind of amusing.”
Two points…
1.) Canada and the United States are the two most linked nations in the world. It’s not unusual for one to pay attention to the other.
2.) I work for an American company. Kind of gives me a horse in the race, so to speak.
“Canadians suffer from an inferiority complex because there they are, same common stock, same continent, and yet we are a world power, have invented all kinds of cool things and they are, well they are Canadians.”
Good to see your bigotry extends to Canadians.
By the way, Canada has the best banking system in the world. We had surpluses for nearly a decade, and we might no longer be in a recession.
How’s things going down there?
“…live in a society with very little free speech. Try voicing your opinion about something politically incorrect up there.”
I do every day, as Dennis the Bigot was just complaining about.
The fact that you think the ‘Canadian Human Rights Tribunal’ has the power to come and get me just shows how ignorant you are.
And that’s the key word. Ignorant.
Willfully ignorant.
It’s the definition used by Lewis Black when he defines the term, ‘Retard.’ And that’s what you people are. Willfully, happily, proudly ignorant.
Oh, and by the way…
How’s your health?
It’s really bad, isn’t it?
Why else do you keep avoiding the question?
LOL,
CS Have you actually ever seen a Republican? I know you get tourists up there searching for cheap medicene but how do you tell if the Americans you see are Republican or Socialist, I mean Democrat?
You are a spiteful little sprat aren’t you CS? I only know about the HRC from the coverage of Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant. I understand before them that the HRC had a 100% conviction record muzzling people’s free speech. That was quite a show that Ezra filmed wasn’t it?
Liberals would like that power down here, but we are able to stop them much of the time. Still the idea is quite appealing to the nanny state supporters.
AO, Strowbridge’s total exposure to American Republicans is limited to TV and movies. He thinks that “The West Wing” was a documentary.
Oh, and Strowbridge, a lot of Canadians are making use of the American health care system. Does that give me a voice in Canadian politics? In particular, can I say something about your Orwellian/Stalinist “Human Rights Commissions?”
Bet I can say more about them safely than you can…
J.
I don’t gie a shit what Lewis Black or anyone says about the word ‘retard’, Strowbridge, but you’re a fucking insensitive bigot for using people with special needs as a battering ram for you to attempt to knock down other people. That’s willful ignorance on your part.
You’re the only one here who uses the term, at least on a regular basis, so is this just a Canadian thing that you think it’s acceptable or something? And not only are you the only one that uses the term, you’re also the biggest asshole, so it’s hard to tell if the correlation is Canadian = bigotry, or Canadian = asshole, or asshole = bigot, or what is the most likely Canadian asshole = bigot.
Maybe you can shed some light on that since you have the training in logistical thought processes.
Dennis = Liebowitz
It’s Leibowitz, Mr. Sidwell.
In Strowbridge’s defense, he’s only following Barack “Special Olympics bowling” Obama’s example…
I’m one to talk; one of my favorite song lyrics is “Don’t worry if it’s hard/ If you’re not a frigging ‘tard you will prevail!”
J.
‘AO, if you’re really not familiar with the racial connotations of “sleep n eat” I recommend Spike Lee’s “Bamboozled.’
Dude; you post a statement that you say is ‘Black humor,’ and are dismayed to find people ‘don’t get it,’ despite having a lengthy history of anti-’liberal’ diatribes that are extremely disparaging and insulting, much like the post in question.
Then you issue a ’standard liberal non-apology,’ which is in fact another dig at ‘liberals’ who offer ‘No admission of error, blaming the misunderstanding on the offended, and putting a conditional on the whole shebang’
If you don’t feel it necessary to apologize for your posts, then don’t; but don’t frame it as some form of left wing conspiracy against you.
‘jrfunkenstein, it’s not my place to give you lessons on finance and the role of efficient markets. Suffice it to say that if you are “all for capitalism” but see stock trading as little more than “sanctioned gambling,” you are not really for capitalism at all’
Feel free to give me lessons if you feel it shores up the idea that Capitalism is critique-proof, but it won’t change my mind; it’s how I can manage to still enjoy Major League Baseball but despise Bud Selig’s tenure that has tolerated steroid abuse for years while claiming he’s done everything possible to clean up the sport.
Capitalism is by far the best of some bad options out there, but it’s hardly beyond improvement, as Madoffs’ case clearly shows.
‘Madoff was a big liberal, and a big supporter of liberal causes.’
How does his supposed political views enter into this?
He’s a crook, period.
‘So CS comes down here (virtually) where he can rant and rave to his heart’s content free from hate speech laws and generaly make an ass out of himself.’
And that differs from you how exactly?
‘And so when the Wise Latina has to quit a no males allowed club that is an indication of what?’
Umm…that she’s a woman?
You’re not really likening a women’s only facility with a White’s only facility are you?
‘For a Canuck to be so obsesed with the political trials and tribulations of the lower 48 is really kind of amusing. Canadians suffer from an inferiority complex because there they are, same common stock, same continent, and yet we are a world power, have invented all kinds of cool things and they are, well they are Canadians.’
No kidding; who would possibly benefit from insulin, plexi-glass, lucite, basketball, snowmobiles, zippers, the Canadarm, electron microscopes, walkie-talkies, heart pacemakers or other such useless items?
And Americans wonder why the rest of the planet sees them suffering from a superiority complex that’s based on their ability to disparage everyone else on Earth who hasn’t invented the idea they are the greatest thing on Earth?
YOU are the reason.
‘Good at hockey, fairly good at drinking, live in a society with very little free speech. Try voicing your opinion about something politically incorrect up there.’
That’s right, we’ve legislated against hate speech; which pretty much leaves you without a Goddamn thing to say up there doesn’t it?
Happy Canada Day.
‘how do you tell if the Americans you see are Republican or Socialist, I mean Democrat?’
Just laughable.
‘I understand before them that the HRC had a 100% conviction record muzzling people’s free speech.’
You CLEARLY understand nothing about it.
‘Oh, and Strowbridge, a lot of Canadians are making use of the American health care system.’
By having the audacity to live in the US?
Oh the criminality!
‘I’m one to talk; one of my favorite song lyrics is “Don’t worry if it’s hard/ If you’re not a frigging ‘tard you will prevail!”’
What a surprise.
LOL JrFunk,
Are you another US obsessed Canuck? What’s up with you people, can you not find enough windmills to tilt at on your native soil?
This would explain how you got on the wrong side of American radio history with your Michael Jackson posting.
I just reread your post, you certainly leave the impression you’re Canadian. Amazing.
Well, jr, I never knew Dr. James Naismith was from Canada till I just read your post and looked it up, so thanks. I guess both the plexi-glass backboard on my goal at home and the game of basketball I owe to you guys. Maybe now I can pull out some of my old Neil Young albums that I told myself I’d never listen to again once he went loony left.
Hard to defend him even if I was being as charitable as I could be. Obama apologized before that quip even made it to broadcast, to his credit. To OW’s credit, he posted about it and said it was a fail on his part, and even the more hardcore of the commenters here agreed. Strowbridge didn’t weigh in, uncharacteristically. Or perhaps that was characteristic of him. Seems he loves saying the word and using it in the harshest and most demeaning and derogatory tone he knows how. Pretty strange for someone as obsessed with race as he is.
“Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo.” –Ambrose Bierce
Pretty much describes Strowbridge to a T.
Amused Observer: “LOL,”
Laughing simpleton.
“CS Have you actually ever seen a Republican?”
Yes. Now, care to address any of my points, or are you going to address any of my points, or are you going to run away like a coward.
Speaking of cowardliness…
How’s your health?
What do you do for a living?
Dennis the Bigot: “I don’t gie a shit what Lewis Black or anyone says about the word ‘retard’…”
And I don’t give a shit what you have to say, so we are even.
I’ll just have to console myself with the fact that I am right, and you are a loser.
You just console yourself any way you please, Strowbie, as if there’s any doubt as to how that task gets taken care of in your lonely little virtual world.
CS,
How do you know he or she was a Republican?
“How’s your health?
It’s really bad, isn’t it? ”
You are an obsessed little sewer rat aren’t you. If you leave me directions I’ll come piss on your grave.
jrfunk, if you knew the full context of the lyric, you’d love it, too.
Go and watch Dr. Horrible’s Sing-a-long Blog. The song it’s from is near the end, but one of the best.
J.
Time to say something nice about Canada.
Twice in my lifetime, Canada has done a tremendous service to America. Back during the Iran Hostage Crisis, the Canadian embassy took in quite a few Americans and smuggled them out of the country safely. And on 9/11, Canada took in a shitload of airliners and passengers (many in Gander, Newfoundland) and proved once again how fantastic hosts Canadians can be, and how fortunate we are to have them to our north.
For those and many other reasons, I’m willing to forgive them assholes like Strowbridge.
Celine Dion, on the other hand…
J.
I am pretty sure
Funkenstein is a sock puppet for CSS.
Oh, CSS Phd in Movies?…..Fail
Canada sells Americans drugs that they can’t afford in America because of corporate-drug-industries overcharging of American citizens.
Republican Billy Tauzin handed the corporate-drug-industry billions of tax payer dollars as a Republican Representative and then got one of the highest paying lobbyist jobs ever from the same corporate-drug-industry.
But that’s what right wingers do: Protect the Rich Crook.
Oh, what a surprise. “Newsy” is in favor of drug laundering.
Drug laundering is where you take American drugs, “launder” them through the Canadian socialized medicine, and re-sell them to Americans. The joy of this system is that, sooner or later, the drug companies will get tired of losing money through it and limit the drugs they import to Canada.
It’d be fascinating to see what would happen if the drug companies just up and said “we’re tired of being called the devil. So for one month, we’re gonna shut down entirely. Lay off all our employees, shut down all our plants and labs, just take four weeks and chill. And after that, we’ll see if we start up again.”
J.
John Gault
‘Are you another US obsessed Canuck? What’s up with you people, can you not find enough windmills to tilt at on your native soil?’
And you couldn’t be ANYTHING but American.
As you apparently cannot post anything without insults, leaving no doubt as the strength of your ‘arguments’ that have to be propped up with a litany of abusive comments, allow me to respond in kind;
You are an amorphous barge, floating on the sea of pomposity, steered by ignorance.
Happy Fourth of July.
‘Maybe now I can pull out some of my old Neil Young albums that I told myself I’d never listen to again once he went loony left.’
Better put them back; he was never anything but Left leaning.
‘Go and watch Dr. Horrible’s Sing-a-long Blog. The song it’s from is near the end, but one of the best.’
No thanks; but I have nothing against you loving it.
Enjoy.
‘I am pretty sure
Funkenstein is a sock puppet for CSS.’
Naturally, since all Canadians know one another.
‘Are you another US obsessed Canuck? ‘
I’m Jamaican; let’s hear your diatribes against my birthplace now.
‘Drug laundering is where you take American drugs, “launder” them through the Canadian socialized medicine, and re-sell them to Americans.’
Yup, the whole nation is profiting from our legal drug trade.
You just have no idea how ludicrous that sounds, do you?
Left-leaning is ok, jrfunk. He went crazy left. CSS crazy. It’s kinda sad. All that talent. Just nuts.
‘Left-leaning is ok, jrfunk. He went crazy left. CSS crazy. It’s kinda sad. All that talent. Just nuts.’
Yah; his politics absolutely detracts from his music.
Apparently you missed the point, funk. The “laundering” is to “wash” the drugs through the Canadian price control system to give the “benefits” of the Canadian system to Americans.
“This drug costs $50.00 here.”
“But you sell it for $25.00 in Canada.”
“That’s because the Canadian government makes sell it at that price. We actually lose money on those sales, but we make up for it with other drugs there, and higher prices here, so we can continue to develop new drugs.”
“I don’t wanna pay $50.00. I wanna pay $25.00, so I’ll buy it from a Canadian pharmacy and have them ship it to me down here.”
At that point the drug company decides to either cut back on how much of that drug they ship to Canada, or end it entirely. The Canadian government, seeing its own citizens with need for that drug getting screwed, crack down on shipping drugs into the United States.
Like I said, it’s “laundering.” The American-made drugs are shipped to Canada purely to get access to the Canadian pricing system, then brought back to the United States at an artificially low price.
J.
You know what, jrfunk, maybe you’re right, now that I think about it. Maybe CSS got his inspiration from him.
Southern Man…Southern Strategy.
‘Like I said, it’s “laundering.” The American-made drugs are shipped to Canada purely to get access to the Canadian pricing system, then brought back to the United States at an artificially low price.’
But you still have a health system that’s the envy of the world, don’t you?
You are an amorphous barge, floating on the sea of pomposity, steered by ignorance.
I’m SO stealing that.
Well, funk, people from all over the world ain’t traveling to Canada or Great Britain for their health care…
Recently, the entire province of Ontario couldn’t come up with an incubator for a very premature infant, so they turned to Buffalo, NY for help. And the US took ‘em in.
In England, a 3-year-old girl with a severe heart defect (she’s already had at least one stroke) just had her life-saving surgery postponed for the third time because of a lack of a bed.
Yeah, it’s “free.” At no charge, we’ll ship your kid out of the country, or make her sit around and wait over and over again, praying she doesn’t die.
Everyone says they want a better system than ours. But when the chips are down, where the rubber meets the road, when it’s THEIR lives on the line, all the “free” systems get tossed aside.
J.