’)Pentagon and military officials report that the withdrawal of most U.S. military forces from Iraq’s major cities has been completed a day ahead of tomorrow’s deadline.
According to the officials, within the past 30 days, 30 U.S. military bases have either been closed down or handed over to Iraqi security forces. A total of 150 bases have been shut down or turned over to Iraqis in the past nine months.
“wanting the troops home means you hate the military”=Clear Channel, Fox, Pajamas Media
Right wingers are mad that all the oil that they stole using American blood and American treasury might go back to the people that live on top of the oil.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/29/cheney-waste-iraq/
Did anyone tell them about the showers?
Gee, it’s almost as if Bush planned it or something…
J.
@ Jay Tea,
Of course stand up entails taking control of jurisdictions and securing them regardless of ethnic or tribal differences. I don’t believe that they are there yet, nor will they be for quite some time. I anticipate an even bigger spike soon. I could be wrong, and I hope I am. Additionally no patrols in the cities will mean an increase of Katusha rockets on any FOBs or COBs in close proximity to cities.
Clearly we need to invade Iraq.
Gee, it’s almost as if Bush planned it or something…
Problem is it took a President with balls like Obama to actually have us stand down. Bush had been making that argument for 2 yrs at that point, and stuck by the Rumsfeld policy that was killing the soldiers for another year and a half after that statment.
Jay Tea: Gee, it’s almost as if Bush planned it or something…
No. It’s almost as if Bush said it or something. Saying ain’t doing. E.g., “Mission accomplished”.
an increase of Katusha rockets on any FOBs or COBs
I get “FOB.” What’s COB?
Gee, it’s almost as if Bush planned it or something…
You mean the PLAN was to kill a lot of people, create a lot more terrorists, wreck the place, spend a trillion bucks that are not available for schools and healthcare, and then just leave with not a goddamn thing to show for all the money and blood, while dozens of people are still dying every week from car bombs?
That was the PLAN???
What punishment would be sufficient for coming up with such a “plan?”
“News” “Reference” could you please provide us with the date , the location and the quantity of the oil stolen by ‘right wingers’?
Please, provide a factual basis for anything you say — anything!
No, Repack . The Plan was to depose a terror-sponsoring dictator .
Check.
To kill 40,000 terrorists (at least),
Check.
To totally defang a rogue state with Pan – Arabist intentions .
Check.
To successfully place thousands of American troops in the Middle East where Points of Entry, landing strips and monitoring and reconnaissance stations can be established .
Check.
To plant the seedlings of Democracy in two of the Middle East’s most powerful and bellicose states.
Check.
In short, to do more for Middle East peace than all the Presidents since 1948 – combined …
Pulling the troops out when it’s time for them to come home — BFD *
Check .
*BFD = Big F*cking Deal
LOL,
“Problem is it took a President with balls like Obama to actually have us stand down.”
Man there is a lot of English on that one.
To plant the seedlings of Democracy in two of the Middle East’s most powerful and bellicose states.
The funny part is you actually believe that.
“a President with balls like Obama ”
The funny part is you actually believe that.
The Plan was to depose a terror-sponsoring dictator.
Missed by that much. Saddam had nothing to do with AQ. So we WASTED all that money?
To kill 40,000 terrorists (at least),
I served in the Army when any dead Vietnamese became VC. Surely you are not as credible as your post suggests.
To totally defang a rogue state with Pan – Arabist intentions
Who said that, and when? And WTF does it even mean? Oh, YOU MADE IT UP! Is this the kind of ridiculous and unsupported assertion takes to maintain your cognit5ive dissonance? I think there is a little foam at the corner of your mouth.
To successfully place thousands of American troops in the Middle East where Points of Entry, landing strips and monitoring and reconnaissance stations can be established.
Because they ASKED us to do this? Your arrogance is surpassed only by George W. Bush’s stupidity.
To plant the seedlings of Democracy in two of the Middle East’s most powerful and bellicose states.
I don’t believe it is any of our business how other countries govern themselves. Meddling in their affairs produces things like, oh, the theocracy in Iran that replaced our puppet shah.
In short, to do more for Middle East peace than all the Presidents since 1948 – combined
This is the kind of stupidity we are up against. Thanks for identifying it for me. Our education system has failed you entirely. You should sue every teacher you ever had.
Frank, they don’t let you drive on public roads, do they?
You know what, Repack? It’s not worth the effort to try and answer your nonsense. But you might, just might, benefit from an education.
Let’s take your “arguments” one by one:
Saddam had nothing to do with AQ.
So he never sent money to surviving families of suicide bombers? I guess if they die without an Al-Qaeda membership card in their pocket, they’re “innocent civilians”?
I served in the Army when any dead Vietnamese became VC.
First of all, I recognize the cute wording… Well. I was in Vietnam. And you are most definitely wrong.
Not that what happened in Vietnam has anything whatever to do with what happened in Iraq, does it?
Who said that, and when? Sadam Hussein said it in exile — on the run from the police. Go read a book or two that wasn’t written by Thomas Friedman.
Tell me what the Iran – Irag War was about?
And the invasion of Kuwait?
Because they ASKED us to do this?
I said it was done — I didn’t say the asked us. But, oh, yeah — they did ask. Maybe when you’re reading that book that will be in there. If not, read another one.
I don’t believe it is any of our business how other countries govern themselves.
Good thing he did:
John F. Kennedy ~ May 5, 1961
Insulting me when you have nothing to say is not in the least bit impressive. A knowledgeable opinion might have been. Better luck next time.
The Plan was to depose a terror-sponsoring dictator.
Missed by that much. Saddam had nothing to do with AQ. So we WASTED all that money?
Oh, poor Repack. Just because Al Qaeda = terrorists, terrorists /= Al Qaeda. There are a lot of other terrorists around, and Saddam helped out quite a few of them.
And Obama is getting the credit for the culmination of Bush’s plan in Iraq? I don’t know the rules of baseball very well, but I doubt he’d be credited with either a win or a save here. Just what has Obama actually DONE with regards to Iraq that demonstrates any kind of “balls?” Oh, he’s said a lot — he’s great at that — but what has he actually DONE? What policies did he implement? What changes did he make? What orders did he give?
He’s done something right with North Korea this week, though, and I give him full credit for that…
J.
A complete and thorough ownage. Start, finish and everything in between. Well done.
Dennis and Frank,
If you think you OWN me because you can spew silly stuff and then high-five each other, you are entitled to your worthless opinion.
My opinion is that we got nothing for our money, that we killed a lot of innocent people and recruited thousands more for AQ, that you pulled the number of dead “terrorists” out of your ass while ignoring the tens of thousands of innocent dead, and ignored the fact that a lot of AQ money came from Saudi Arabia.
So go ahead, do your best to insult me while I consider the source and ponder your idiocy. You have revealed the degree of cruelty and anti-patriotic sentiment that we who love our country are up against.
Maybe the United States will fail, but it will be from those like you within our country who have surrendered our principles, not from enemies outside it.
How could anyone who lived through Vietnam want to repeat the experience?
Invasion under false pretenses?
Check.
Killed a lot of people from 40,000 feet?
Check.
No exit plan?
Check.
Years of expensive quagmire and looting of the treasury by military contractors?
Check.
Nothing to show for all that effort except highly suspect claims that we made things “better” even when no one asked us to?
Check. And mate. It would be your move, but the game is over and I won. Woo-Hoo! Ownage!
Repack, for all the things you hate about Michael Savage, for the most part you sound just like he would sound if he had chosen to go liberal, esp. when he goes off on one of his venomous tirades.
One thing you always seem to leave out, all the opportunistic Democrats who were also in favor of the war and were quite vocal about it, especially when they didn’t have to be. You can’t seem to admit the key role they played, that far too many of your current heroes today were either opportunistic politicians then displaying their bravado for all the country to see, or else clowns and useful idiots who were duped by a guy you swear is, and always was, a complete buffoon. There’s no real consensus on that either way, so the usual course of action from folks such as yourself, your ilk as many of you love to say, is to never mention that little piece of the inconvenient truth in your rants.
To kill 40,000 terrorists (at least),
“When Bremer [disbanded the military], the insurgency went crazy. May was the turning point” for the US Occupation, Col. King said later. “When they disbanded the military, and announced we were occupiers – that was it. Every moderate, every person that had leaned toward us, was furious. One Iraqi who had saved my life in an ambush said to me, ‘I can’t be your friend anymore.’” … Some vowed they would violently oppose the US decisions. “All of us will become suicide bombers,” former officer Khairi Jassim told Reuters. “The only thing left for me is to blow myself up in the face of tyrants,” another officer told al Jazeera. … “We will not let the Americans rule us in such a humiliating way.” — ‘Fiasco,’ Thomas Ricks, page 164.
To totally defang a rogue state with Pan – Arabist intentions .
Check.
They already were defanged after the 1998 Desert Fox bombings.
To successfully place thousands of American troops in the Middle East where Points of Entry, landing strips and monitoring and reconnaissance stations can be established .
Check.
Against the will of the people that live there? There’s a word for that, you know.
To plant the seedlings of Democracy in two of the Middle East’s most powerful and bellicose states.
Check.
Hope so. We’ll see. The real test will be if they are allowed to elect somebody we don’t like.
In short, to do more for Middle East peace than all the Presidents since 1948 – combined …
Which of course would be why President Bush is beloved by a plurality of middle easterners.
Oh, wait.
One thing you always seem to leave out, all the opportunistic Democrats who were also in favor of the war and were quite vocal about it, especially when they didn’t have to be.
Not that I for one will forgive those ‘yes’ votes, but it was an ugly climate to be a politician in a democracy. So soon after 9/11, voting ‘no’ on blowing up some other Muslim country, you could rather easily be portrayed as weak on national security.
To plant the seedlings of Democracy in two of the Middle East’s most powerful and bellicose states.
Planting seeds is one thing. They ain’t gonna grow if you stand on them.
Right winger “Frank DiSalle”: “A knowledgeable opinion”
Right wing fiction writer “Frank DiSalle” has claimed that America’s bloody Civil War was a time of peace, claimed that the sun turns off 12 hours a day, and is a global climate change denier.
And right winger “Dennis” thinks “Frank DiSalle” is smart.
“Dennis” + “Frank” = Allies in Stupidity.
You really get the D-list trolls Oliver. I guess wingnut welfare has fallen on hard times.
The lies Republicans used to con US into the Iraq war repeatedly changed.
First Republicans lied about WMD (weapons of mass destruction).
There was none. Why did we stay? (Oil.)
Republicans lied that it was about fighting the terrorists.
The terrorists that attacked US were in Afghanistan NOT Iraq.
Worse, Republican Bush’s attack of Iraq GENERATED more terrorists and terrorism and Republican Bush’s refusal to leave Iraq continued to generate terrorists for years. Why did we stay? (Oil.)
Republicans lied that it was about deposing Saddam.
He’s dead. Why did we stay? (Oil.)
Republicans lied when they said it was about installing a democratic republic.
Iraq has a democratic republic. Why did we stay? (Oil.)
Oil was the only valid strategic reason to stay in Iraq.
Everything else the Republicans said was a lie.
Republicans attempt to steal Iraqi oil has cost US 4,317 American troops lives, over $682 billion dollars, and a significant erosion of American power.
The Republican’s Iraq War Lie may still cost US trillions more.
Had we invested half of that on alternative energy research our American nation would be much better off in many different ways.
One of the dividends of investing in alternative energy would have been in defunding the oil nations of Iran, Russia, and Venezuela, all of whom were empowered by the Republican’s Iraq War Lie.
And from the trolls point of view, the million plus dead Iraqis and the millions of Iraqi refugees are just icing on the cake.
Have a linky there on that “million plus dead”, Mr. A-lister?
Unlike you, Newsie, most of the time he speaks from experience. None of the time does he bullshit you, unlike you All of the time he sticks around and finishes his skirmishes, very much unlike you, when called on something. Unlike you, he doesn’t link to and subscribe to wack-job blogs and websites and repeat them here like they are unadulterated truth.
Yesterday you called matt621 a liar when he explained how the bloggers and others who called the New Haven SCOTUS decision a 9-0 rebuke of Judge Sotomayor’s reasons for her decision in the case. I asked you to show how that was incorrect. You never came back to the thread. Frank wouldn’t do that. Just here on this thread, you said that Frank claimed the civil war was a time of peace, and you failed to mention that he came back and said he mistakenly included the time period up until 1865,and admitted he erred in doing so. You’re too dishonest to include that. He explained his reasoning for making the 12 hours of daylight claim- agan you fail to mention that. I don’t think you could get anyone here to say he would do something like that to anyone, something you do routinely and unabashedly, and when called on it, you flee the scene,never to return.
“To plant the seedlings of Democracy in two of the Middle East’s most powerful and bellicose states.”
“The funny part is you actually believe that.”
The sad part is that you do not.
Thank you, Dennis.
And again, “News” “Reference” , unable to provide a straightforward answer to a direct question : “Could you please provide us with the date , the location and the quantity of the oil stolen by ‘right wingers’?”, attempts to use differential diagnosis ( and does so badly ) to “prove” that “‘right wingers’ stole oil”.
Differential diagnosis is used to “rule out” possible causes of disease, in the hopes of getting extremely close to the actual cause of a patients’ distress.
It has no place in historical analysis. And yet it is used constantly by lefties like “News” “Reference” here, and on blogs like this one. Usually, it is not laid out so extravagantly as it just was by “Newsie”.
Most often, it is done like this:
There can only be two explanations for Phenomenon A; Explanation 1, and Explanation 2.
Usually, each explanation is an unproven, undocumented allegation. The faux diagnostician then picks out the “Explanation” that suits his / her fancy and, pointing to the other one, says, “It can’t be Explanation 2, because __________ { Fill in the blank with contrived, unproven, and undocumented ‘explanation’ }.
Then , continuing, they say, “Therefore, it must be “Explanation 2″.
It then becomes necessary for a conservative to provide the faux diagnostician with true, supported , demonstrated if not proven, documented Explanation 3.
In sum: In history, ‘Not NotA’ does not equal B, or C, or D. It only equals “NotA”, until what it actually is can be determined.
And, BTW, “News” “Reference”: I am not a “global climate change denier”.
1) Global climate changes quite often. Any child knows that. Thank you, Professor Coriolis !
2) What you now call “global climate change” was known as “global warming” just two short years ago. Do you have any idea why the terminology changed? I have a few.
3) And I am not a “denier”. I am neither “An old French coin worth one-twelfth of a sou”, nor am I “a unit of measurement for the fineness of silk or nylon or rayon”. And I most certainly do not wish to be corralled into the same pen as people who choose to pretend the Holocaust never happened (which is, of course, why that particularly odious term was used to a)smear those people who didn’t accept the unproved, and now, most certainly, untrue theories of the Global Warmians; and b) to imply that Global Climate Change, née “Global Warming”, is as certain as the existence of the Holocaust, which, of course, it is not); and because most “Holocaust deniers” are anti – semitic.
Interestingly, Global Warmians are similarly ideologically driven, and when faced with the myriad arguments that ‘global warming’ is hooey, first, changed its name, and second, fall back to a position of “Wouldn’t it be better for the planet if we pretended global warming was true?”
But, of course, for “News” “Reference” ( a sad name, isn’t it? He provides us with neither ), pretending things are true is a way of life.
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should be : “Wouldn’t it be better for the planet if we pretended global warming was true?”
But, of course, for “News” “Reference” ( a sad name, isn’t it? He provides us with neither ), pretending things are true is a way of life.
Frank, your reply to the other vet here earlier this morning about recognizing the cute wording was about as good a takedown as I’ve ever seen here. Unfortunately for me, I had just taken in a big sip of hot coffee. But on the other hand, I’m still laughing even now.
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