Comments on: Bipartisan My Ass

By: News Reference

News Reference — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:36:46 +0000

The CBO score that right winger “Adam Herman” alludes to is a projected cost over 10 years that uses rough estimates that were poorly put together (not by the CBO but by Congress).

If I understand the CBO estimates, the worst case scenario would mean that covering ALL 47 million uninsured would cost at the outside $300 billion a year.

That’s less than half of what we’ve already spent in the unnecessary Iraq war and less than 1/6th what Republicans gave to their crony buddies.

Nor, as I understand it, does the CBO score take into consideration the savings that would come from better health outcomes for the entire nation, the alleviation of health costs from businesses, and the additional competitiveness that it would provide for America.

By: Adam Herman

Adam Herman — Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:08:02 +0000

I agree that bipartisanship is overrated. Usually, when both parties agree on a major issue, they are merely empowering themselves at our expense.

But this public option thing, it’s completely unnecessary. And progressives need to stop doing the Iraq-war type rollout of this plan, telling us how it will cover everyone and reduce costs. It does neither in its current form. Doesn’t even come close on either count.

16 million Americans covered out of 47 million? for $1 trillion? Seriously?

By: Jaim

Jaim — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 00:05:09 +0000

“Democrats don’t give a shit about bipartisanship.”

Actually, they do and that’s the problem. There’s a reason there are only 40 GOP senators right now, and that’s because of their disastrous track record between 2001-2008. It’s only the David Broder’s of the world who truly feel a bipartisan bill would be better than a good, sane one.

Totally guessing here, but Obama might be trying to hold off on health care reform until after 2010 when it’s likely there’ll be even bigger numbers of Dems in both sides of the Congress. And that’s when the bleating and moaning of the GOP can be fully ignored on getting some reasonable health-care reform through.

By: soullite

soullite — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:35:08 +0000

Democrats don’t give a shit about bipartisanship. They are pretending to pursue bipartisanship as an excuse to sell out the the wealthy, monied elite.

By: Duros62

Duros62 — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:12:12 +0000

they spent 8 years trying to accommodate Democrats,

How long was my cable out?

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:53:43 +0000

It’s like Gore and Krugman getting a Nobel. It’s time to take off the gloves, there is a prize at stake!

By: SFC B

SFC B — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:38:51 +0000

…his hat into the ring for the Nasty Lying Right Winger Prize.

There’s a prize! Why the fuck didn’t someone tell me there was a prize?!

By: News Reference

News Reference — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:52:51 +0000

Right winger corporatist Adam Herman has decided to drop any pretense and throw his hat into the ring for the Nasty Lying Right Winger Prize. REPUBLICANS ALREADY BLEW UP THE BUDGET. I know people think it's odd that I keep repeating this, but it's a central right wing lie saying Republicans know anything about numbers. The truth is that the Republican Party is the Debtor Party. Republican President Reagan more than DOUBLED the US debt. Republican President Reagan and Republican President Bush 1 more than QUADRUPLED the US debt. Republican President Bush 2 more than DOUBLED the US debt again once all of his debtor bills are added up. And Republican President Bush 2 deliberately left the future President burdened with deficits as far as they eye can see even after blowing the fiscally conservative surpluses of a Democratic President. It's the Republicans "Two Santa Clause Theory" of "Republican "Economics"": Blow up the budget, increase the debt, give a lot of goodies away, and then blame the incoming opponent for the mess. Right winger "Adam Herman" has gone from repeatedly repeating lies to just being nasty duplicitous weasel. Why don't you explain again, "Adam Herman", why you think our democratic republic should be dismantled.

By: Adam Herman

Adam Herman — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 11:15:37 +0000

If Democrats want to blow up the budget and force everyone into a public option alone, then they should have the guts to do it alone. The fact that they don’t means you still have a few elections to win. Should have voted for people with intestinal fortitude instead of any old Democrat.

By: News Reference

News Reference — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:47:52 +0000

Shorter right wing authoritarians and corporatists:

Authoritarian right winger “Frank DiSalle”: ‘Do what I say or you’re not bipartisan.’

Corporatist right winger “Amused Observer”: ‘Corporate ownership of Republicans is complete, now we buy Dems.’

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:14:28 +0000

LOL Jaim,
If you think watching you flounder about making agist jokes at my expense is an effective way to pick at some hidden nerve you are sadly mistaken. Showcasing your problem solving skillset is most amusing.

By: Jaim

Jaim — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 08:02:47 +0000

Sorry. Post-80′s.

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:56:39 +0000

Jaim,
You never really did very well with story problems in math did you?

By: Jaim

Jaim — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:51:36 +0000

AO, my co-workers are in their 20′s and 30′s. I realize “adult” for you would be post-70, but whatevs.

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:47:59 +0000

No I get what you say. The Democrats are bought and paid for as are the Republicans. You’re sayig the big money isn’t in favor of this. I also brought up the fact that this rapid healthcare thing is disturbing to many people. Not all of the Democrats live in safe districts like Berkley etc. Some of them have to face folks at home who are not as committed to the harder left side of the Democrat party as most of the people who come here. Face it, if you’re here bullshitting about politics every night you are by definition a political junkie. And that’s a bipartison description!

By: Parthenon

Parthenon — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:27:45 +0000

I think you misunderstand me, AO. It’s not lack of people’s support I’m postulating, but lack of support from the moneybags.

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:19:41 +0000

As the lightbulb in Parthenons head slowly starts to glow and glimmer. Do you think? They have to get reelected too. The whole nation is not as blind in following Obama’s lead as you who are interested enough in liberal politics to come here and bullshit about it every night.

By: Parthenon

Parthenon — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:04:44 +0000

God, is this frustrating. It’s like the Repubs have their finger in their pocket and are telling the Dems its a gun, the Dems know its their finger but they’re treating it like a gun anyway.

Truth is, and not to sound all Taibbi, but I really think the truth is that Dems are – if not just as connected – nearly as connected to the big moneypots as the GOP. They don’t want a public option either. If they did it’d happen.

By: Amused Observer

Amused Observer — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 06:48:05 +0000

LOL Jaim,
6 year olds? No wonder you come across the way you do. No adult interaction.

By: Jaim

Jaim — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:21:59 +0000

“And if by my ‘wingnut pals’ you mean Republicans, they spent 8 years trying to accommodate Democrats, and look what it got them.”

This is easily the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day, and I teach six year-olds for a living.