Health Care War: How America Sees It
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On the health care issue, Republicans are once again left out in the cold. Most trusted on this issue, naturally, are doctors and hospitals – the people we trust with life or death. But when it comes to political actors, it is President Obama who gets the biggest benefit of the doubt from the people.
The people who trust the GOP – largely the same 26%ers who supported Bush, Palin, and the Iraq War – are more in line with those propping up Big Pharma and the other forces whose days of screwing America without consequence seem to be on the wane.
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Sadly, I don’t think Democrats are much better when it comes to healthcare with some exceptions. Big Pharma really has Washington by the balls. Sebelius is saying Hell no to the single payer and so is Sen Bacchus. The real issue is that Republican Supreme Leader Rushbo thinks that there isn’t a healtcare crisis. Amazing.
Until there is a RICO investigation involving Big Pharma and Big Insurance, we aren’t going to get anywhere.
I know this is more of a sports blog even as it pertains to politics than a policy blog, but perhaps you’ll take the time to notice that hospitals and doctors aren’t too keen on any plan that would reduce their pay or question their decisionmaking.
If they are indeed the most trusted, then when they start advertising against Obamacare, they will win.
“If they are indeed the most trusted, then when they start advertising against Obamacare, they will win.”
Obamacare?
Your credibility just hit zero.
Congratulations.
[I'm crossposting this from another thread]
“Adam ‘Francois’ Herman” is a concern troll that links to a website spouting corporatist nonsense.
At the website he links to is a post on “why lobbyist restrictions are dumb” which asserts that we can’t minimize lobbyist’s influence but rather we should create an entirely unaccountable Fourth Branch (effectively a Star Chamber) that can independently and undemocratically “remove Congressmen from office”.
Essentially “Adam Herman” is arguing that corporations buying politicians is okay but what “Adam Herman” thinks is needed is the dismantling of our American democratic republic of three independent branches each having checks and balances over each other.
I call shenanigans.
“Adam ‘Francois’ Herman” is a right wing corporatist concern troll.
As “C.S.Strowbridge” has already wisely noted of “Adam Herman”: “Your credibility just hit zero.”
“Strowbridge” is being kind.
Right winger “Adam Herman’s” credibility is LESS than zero.
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In this thread “Adam Herman” is arguing on behalf of the corporate-medical-industry and corporate-insurance industry.
“Adam Herman” = Right Wing Corporatist Troll.
[B]Obamacare?
Your credibility just hit zero. [/B]
Ah, so I’m wrong that doctors and hospitals being trusted more than the President will lead to the public trusting hospitals and doctors’ ads on health care reform more than the President’s?
Or did you just not like the argument and found a cheaper way to discredit it?
No, Adam. With your use of the term “Obamacare” you outed yourself as one of Ms. Malkin’s flying monkeys.
A person can pick up terms from reading conservative blogs and not realize they are “forbidden” for use on the other side.
But let’s say I’m one of Mrs. Malkin’s flying monkeys. What’s wrong with my analysis? If doctors and hospitals are the most trusted on health care, that would imply that they will be able to set the terms of the debate, no?
Unfortunately “Doctors” are represented by the corporate lobbyist tool the AMA (“American Medical Ass ociation) which is NOT looking out for patients but rather protecting the corporate insurance looters and the corporate-medical-industry profiteers.
What you are talking about marketing paid for by the corporate-medical-industry to protect their looting at the expense of patient’s health.
“Marketing” is like using the ‘doctor’ credential to mislead someone, such as saying, ‘I’m not a doctor, but I play one on TV,’ and then selling a bunch of malarkey.
Malarkey is still nonsense even if you (mis)label it ‘Dr. Malarkey’.
What you are talking about is marketing, marketing paid for by the corporate-medical-industry to protect their looting at the expense of patient’s health.
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I don’t know if you’re right about the AMA or not(it is the standard talking point on liberal blogs at the moment), but if doctors choose to oppose the Obama health plan, they will do it through the AMA, which is the only organization that can speak for doctors if doctors want to speak with one voice.
Now maybe this won’t happen, but I say that if the AMA does weigh in against the plan, they will win.
Dr. Corporate-Medical-Industry Looters:
“CEO Compensation: Who Said Health Care is in a Financial Crisis?”
The Corporate-Medical-Industry LOOTS BILLIONS from health care payers. Often those same corporate looters are DENYING COVERAGE to those that have faithfully paid their health insurance bills year after year.
via: Digby
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/this-is-precisely-why-we-need-public.html
Would you consider the AMA to be part of the corporate looters?
Or does “trade association” not have the same negative connotations?
Unfortunately the AMA has been part of the Corporate-Medical-Industry Looters for over 60 years.
That’s how long the AMA has blocked health-care reform in America.
And now the AMA has come out in opposition to providing better health care to patients.
It’s contemptible.
All of this has happned before.
The AMA opposes most health care reform because most health care reform involves looting the very people we rely on to save our lives.
I just realized, “News Reference”, that you are little more than a verbose chimpanzee, flinging logorrheic feces, with no sources other than your feverish imagination.
Weighed down with a surfeit of irrelevant, but often strident, if not calumnious adjectives, you continue to fling that feces, in the hopes that someone will be benighted enough to mistake it for erudition.
That is not, and will not, ever be me.
I would never mistake you for erudite, “Frank DiSalle”.
A cultist? Probably.
Dangerous? Increasingly likely.
An authoritarian thug? Absolutely.
Duplicitous? Unquestionably.
Erudite? No.
Though congratulations on dusting off your thesaurus.
But your problem isn’t a lack of synonyms, it’s a lack of critical reasoning skills, any sense of real history, and a conscience.
The American Medical Association has stood athwart better health care for American citizens since 1947.
“1947 The American Medical Association (AMA) lost an antitrust lawsuit because of their aggressive opposition to the development of prepaid health plans.”
“Pediatrics for medical students.” Page 143. By Daniel Bernstein, Steven P. Shelov
The American Medical Association has been interfering with better health care since the 1930′s.
“American Medical Association Trying To Torpedo Health Care Reform Again.”
“A Symbiotic Relationship – The AMA And The For-Profit Health Lobby.”
“The Doctors’ Revolt.”
“The AMA’s Ties to For-Profit Health Care.”
“Let’s Not Repeat Health Care History.”
So let me amend my earlier statement:
Unfortunately the AMA has been part of the Corporate-Medical-Industry Looters for over 70 years.