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Whte flag waving.
Biden tells “Meet the Press” that “everyone guessed wrong” on the impact of the stimulus, economy was worse off than anyone thought.
Does anyone have the website number that I can read the transcript of this?
Congratulations, Oliver! You now have your very own Dan Quayle!
J.
LOL. Keep clapping, maybe Tinkerbell will wake up righties.
Yes, indeed, Biden is in the same intellectual class as Dan Quayle. An excellent retort! Ha ha!
I haven’t done a statistical analysis, Eric, but I’d be willing to wager that Biden has made more gaffes so far than Quayle did in his first year.
And Quayle never blew the cover off a secret government installation… or insulted the Chief Justice… or threw a monkey wrench into the airline industry… or said a chief rival would have been a better pick… or used quasi-racist code words to describe his boss… or mocked his boss in speeches…
Biden is not only a joy to behold, but the main reason I keep asking my religious friends to continue to pray for Obama’s health. Because as bad as I think Obama is, I am terrified of President Biden… or President Pelosi… or President Byrd…
Darwin was so, so, so wrong.
J.
That you cannot distinguish a mitxure of gaffes and politically unadvisable openness from lack of intelligence is one of the many problems you present in your analysis, Jay Tea.
You’re quite right, Eric. You’re so clean and articulate. Stand up and let everyone see you.
J.
They “guessed”?
Really? They have mortgaged the future of my offspring, and their offspring into the foreseeable future with deficits larger than anything in the history of man, by guessing?
And who is “everyone”? Plenty of people said that the “stimulus” package wasn’t going to do what the dems said it would, and that it was simply a powerplay to get control of the pursestrings and pay off their political cronies.
Funny too, how when Bush and the rest of the world’s intelligence agencies said that the Iraqi’s were actively producing WMD’s, that was a “lie”, but Obama’s guess is just a little rounding-error boo-boo.
Someone please explain to me how this “guess(!)”, isn’t simply a bald-face lie?
perfect response.
J.G.Thayer: “I haven’t done a statistical analysis, Eric, but I’d be willing to…”
‘Make a claim based on no hard evidence, because that’s what I do best.’
Loser.
So, Strowbridge, pry your ass away from the DVD player and cite a few examples of Quayle gaffes (and they are legion) that put Biden’s foot-in-mouth disease to shame. Show everyone how powerful an intellect you wield, what a tremendous command of facts and knowledge and history you have.
Happy campers… priapic toys… Murphy Brown… what a waste to lose one’s mind…
You can do it, Strowbridge! I know you can!
J.
And Strowbridge, nice missing of the context. I’m not sure if you were simply too stupid to understand what I was saying or deliberately obtuse to make your snide little point, but what I was saying was that whatever the QUANTITATIVE comparsion of Biden vs. Quayle is, the QUALITATIVE comparison of their abilities to shoot their mouths off is definitively in Quayle’s favor — Biden is much, much, much worse.
As I said above, feel free to cite examples of Quayle’s flubs where he caused anywhere near the harm Biden inflicts without thinking twice.
Or, apparently, once.
J.
J.G.Thayer: “So, Strowbridge, pry your ass away from the DVD player…”
Just cause I still have a job is not reason you should be jealous. (Tee hee hee.)
“…and cite a few examples of Quayle gaffes…”
It’s your claim. You do the fucking research.
Speaking of which, have you researched the IRA yet?
Yeah, Strowbridge, I researched the IRA, and decided to keep my money in my 401K.
I’ll repeat my initial assertion: for all of Dan Quayle’s gaffes, he NEVER — in his four years in office and in the campaign leading up to it — said anything as damaging as Biden has in the past year.
Quayle was a harmless buffoon. Biden is a loose cannon, primed and loaded.
And thank you for asking, but I’m doing fine at both jobs — the Day Job and the blogging job. The previous blog that I resigned from last November has had a major meltdown last week, but I am relieved to say that — unlike some past technical issues — this time Wizbang’s problems are in no way my fault.
I should call and offer Kevin my sympathies…
Oh, and Oliver: congrats on getting this clip of Biden. That’s probably the longest he’s gone without saying something dumb in… well, ever.
J.
It’s your claim. You do the fucking research. S.Strategy
I think you do have a learning disability of some sort. He said he hasn’t done the statistical analysis, but he’d be willing to bet…
If you want to refute that claim, since he qualified it about as plainly as one could, or if you want to take up the bet, seems it’d be up to you to provide the analysis, not him.
But that’s not how you roll, is it?
You’re quite right, Eric. You’re so clean and articulate. Stand up and let everyone see you.
If you’re going to toss a one line insult at me, can I request that it at least be funny?
Sorry, Eric. I should be more choosy about who I plagiarize.
Let’s see… did Neil Kinnock say anything relevant to this current situation?
J.
“I’d be willing to wager that Biden has made more gaffes so far than Quayle did in his first year”
I’d be happy to take this bet. Biden is doing fine as veep (he wasn’t my first choice). You have this delusional habit of thinking that just because you say something it’s true, Jay. Quayle embarrassed America with his very existence. Biden is, well, not great, not bad, just the veep.
But the longer you ignore reality, the longer your party stays in the wilderness, which is fine with me.
I’ve got a vacation coming up, Jaim. I was planning on going to Baltimore and DC, as is my wont, but I think I’d rather spend it in your fantasy world, where Joe Biden is not a complete and utter blithering idiot. Does Southwest have flights there?
During the recent swine flu scare, Biden urged everyone to avoid public transportation — especially airplanes. It took all of the White House’s formidable spin apparatus to undo that one.
During a swearing-in ceremony for White House staffers, Biden took a cheap shot at Chief Justice Roberts — one so cheap Obama had to reprimand him.
And at a recent function, for no other reason than to show off, it seems, Biden revealed the existence of a top secret (well, formerly top secret) secure bunker under the Vice Presidential Residence.
I’ll repeat: Quayle was a vapid twit. Biden, on the other hand, partially because he has a frightening tendency to believe his own bullshit, is a genuine loose cannon.
Anyone wanna bet that Biden will be on the 2012 ticket with Obama? I’ll cheerfully wager he won’t. I’m so confident that I’ll even put money on it, despite my long-standing opposition to wagering money.
Come on, I’ll put up a whole quarter. A bright, shiny New Hampshire quarter, just to sweeten the pot.
J.
“loose cannon”
My, I’ll bet he’s running his own shadow government and not releasing public information just like Dick Cheney! Or ya know, invading a country under false pretenses. Or torturing innocent people.
“Anyone wanna bet that Biden will be on the 2012 ticket with Obama?”
Again, more than happy to take this bet. He’s going to be your veep for another seven years, and I will happily enjoy your delicious, impotent tears.
Getting rich off of your idiocy would be a pleasure.
J.G.Thayer: “Yeah, Strowbridge, I researched the IRA, and decided to keep my money in my 401K.”
Ha ha ha. At least you prove your idiocy with grace and humor.
“I’ll repeat my initial assertion…”
You mean that assertion based on nothing more than your uneducated guess.
You could only be right on a fluke.
Man, Strowbridge, you are just bound and determined to miss a point, aren’t you?
I brought up the QUANTITY of gaffes in a dismissive sense to contrast it with the QUALITY of the gaffes.
I cited some of Quayle’s greatest hits, and asserted that he NEVER did anything as damaging as Biden has. I cited specific Biden instances and why they were so bad.
As far as I can tell, I would have to give the total number of Quayle gaffes and list them before you’d even deign to consider the point I’m making — that Biden is an idiot (apparently almost as much as an idiot as you), and a dangerous one.
Screw that. I remember enough of Quayle’s bumbles to know that he never did anything as harmful as what Biden does on a nearly daily basis.
Good lord, you’re such a schmuck…
J.
Sorry, Eric. I should be more choosy about who I plagiarize.
Let’s see… did Neil Kinnock say anything relevant to this current situation?
Well I didn’t get funny, but at least it was two lines. Thanks, Jay Tea.
Sorry, Eric. As a conceit, I decided to answer you with only lines plagiarized from Joe Biden, as a tribute to his own history of plagiarism. The problem with limiting oneself in such a way is that there often isn’t a perfectly appropriate response.
Oh, well. I probably shouldn’t have tried it. After all, it’s a poor craftsman who blames his tools…
J.
J.G.Thayer: “Man, Strowbridge, you are just bound and determined to miss a point, aren’t you?
I brought up the QUANTITY of gaffes in a dismissive sense to contrast it with the QUALITY of the gaffes.”
And since you admitted you have no fucking clue what you are talking about, it doesn’t fucking matter.
Jesus, are you really this fucking stupid?
You admitted you don’t have the background knowledge to make this kind of judgment call, yet you are determined to make one anyway.
Because of this, you can only be correct as a fluke.
You admitted you don’t have the background knowledge to make this kind of judgment call, yet you are determined to make one anyway.
Because of this, you can only be correct as a fluke.
Which still gives me better odds than you, Strowbridge.
I stand by what I said: Biden has made more serious gaffes in his short time than Quayle did in his entire tenure, counting from announcement as running mate. I recall many of Quayle’s blunders, and without an exception those were all of the “WTF?” category. In Biden’s case, so many of them fall into the “oh, shit!” category. And in the long term, those are far, far more damaging.
Pity you’re such a shithead that you can’t acknowledge it simply because I’m the one who brought it up. Bit of a blind spot there…
J.
Biden revealed the existence of a top secret (well, formerly top secret) secure bunker under the Vice Presidential Residence.
That was no secret. Cheney had that put in right after 9/11. Many of the neighbors complained of construction work coming from the observatory.
I’m still hoping Joe takes Brian Williams for a tour.
And then, Duros, perhaps Ted Kennedy can take Joe Biden on a tour…
J.
And then, Duros, perhaps Ted Kennedy can take Joe Biden on a tour…
Perhaps Mr. Tea’s japery bears some exposition. You see, Duros, Mr. Tea is hoping that Mr. Biden will get into Mr. Kennedy’s car and they will drive off of a bridge and Mr. Biden will drown.
Ha!
Ha! Ha!
Early happy hour today Mr. Tea?
Quaker,
You bring up an interesting point regarding left wing morality, cowardice, and its hypocrisy. Can you think of any reason Ted Kennedy should not of done time for at the very least vehicular homicide?
Ha!
Ha! Ha!
I would imagine that Teddy doesn’t hit the sauce quite like he used to, happy hour or not.
My apologies, Quaker. That was most tasteless of me. I should have said “Dick Cheney will take Joe Biden hunting.” That’s a lot safer activity than riding with Ted Kennedy.
Or his son, Congressman Patrick Kennedy, for that matter.
Or his nephew, former Congressman Joseph Kennedy II, for that matter.
Something about Kennedys and cars just don’t mix well…
J.
Can you think of any reason Ted Kennedy should not of done time for at the very least vehicular homicide?
Several reasons are possible, but the one that comes immediately to mind is that he was never convicted of it. Y’see, in this country, it’s trial first, then sentence.
If you’d like to know more, just ask.
yea Quaker, you are correct.
Just like O.J.
LOL Quaker,
Nice dodge!
Peedro, is that you? Long time, dude.
Nice dodge!
Dodge? According to Wikipedia, it was an Olds, not a Dodge. Nevertheless, my answer is merely an obvious fact. He never went to jail because he was never convicted.
yea good to be back.
I did enjoy trolling here during my banishment. It was especially fun to see all the newbies exclaiming what a great host oliver was, allowing all these varied opinions in.
Would have been fun to point out that most of the intelligent ones were banned outright….
But how DO you feel about OJ? Never convicted……good enough standard for you?
But how DO you feel about OJ? Never convicted……good enough standard for you?
Your reading comprehension still needs work, Peed. AO asked a question and I gave the obvious answer. Same answer applies to Mr. Simpson: He does not serve time if not convicted. Like it or don’t, that’s how our system works.
Very noble….
Do you suspect that having a surname like Kennedy might help keep one out of the courthouse in the first place, thereby avoiding messy trials?
You of all people should be sensitive to the abuses of power the powerful of this country rain upon us hoi polloi.
So Nixon? Never convicted!
Clenis? Impeached (does that count?)
Do you suspect that having a surname like Kennedy might help keep one out of the courthouse in the first place, thereby avoiding messy trials?
Indeed I do.
Clenis? Impeached (does that count?)
Nope. Not convicted.
Do you have a different answer for AO’s question, Peedro? If you do, let’s have it. Are you suggesting that folks who have not been tried and convicted (or who have been tried and not convicted) should be tossed in jail anyway?
Who gets to decide? Some “activist” judge?
LOL Quaker,
Let me reframe the question. Do you think Ted Kennedy deserved to be punished for being too drunk to drive and putting his car into the pond and leaving the girl to die and not getting help because it would be too embarrassing and swimming off the island to try and set up an alibi?
Do you think Ted Kennedy deserved to be punished for being too drunk to drive and putting his car into the pond and leaving the girl to die and not getting help because it would be too embarrassing and swimming off the island to try and set up an alibi?
It’s almost as if you were there, AO. Such vivid detail.
I won’t bother to set aside each instance of speculation and mind-reading in your formulation. I’ll just note that you’re spinning a yarn.
All that aside, I suspect there was not enough evidence to run him up on charges of violating the letter of any law on the books with the possible exception of failure to report an accident. After all, no one was there–except maybe for you.
Legally, I doubt there was any way to convict him of a crime carrying meaningful jail time.
Well can we agree that he put the car in the pond?
Can we agree that the girl was left to die trapped in the car?
Can we agree that he didn’t summon any help although he passed several houses on the way to the beach?
Can we agree that he swam off the island? You do remember the news footage of him returning by ferry from the mainland sporting a neckbrace don’t you?
I think that would make a pretty strong case. But please which of those 4 points do you dispute?
which of those 4 points do you dispute?
Just one, and
Well can we agree that he put the car in the pond?
I believe Mr. Kennedy has stipulated as much.
Can we agree that the girl was left to die trapped in the car?
If there was a determination of the time of Ms. Kopechne’s death, that she survived the initial crash, or that Mr. Kennedy knew her condition after the crash, I’m not aware of it. That he left is a given. The rest is speculation, as far as I know.
Can we agree that he didn’t summon any help although he passed several houses on the way to the beach?
Again, I believe Mr. Kennedy has stipulated that this is correct.
Can we agree that he swam off the island?
It would appear to be so.
You do remember the news footage of him returning by ferry from the mainland sporting a neckbrace don’t you?
I’m not certain why this is relevant.
So given all this, what charges would you bring, Mr. District Attorney?
Vehicular homicide and leaving the scene of an accident.
He was charged with leaving the scene of an accident and plead guilty. With the agreement of the prosecutor, he was sentenced to two months, suspended.
Can you describe the elements that have to be proved to win a conviction on vehicular homicide charges or do you just like the sound of it?
Anyway, back to your improved question:
Do you think Ted Kennedy deserved to be punished…?
I assume you mean “punished by the criminal justice system of the state of Massachusetts”. And the only answer I can give to that question is, “Not until he’s convicted of a crime, and then only to the degree that the law allows.”
Basically in this state it is negligent driving that results in the death of another. Barring a proven spontaneous mechanical failure putting it into the pond would do it.
I realize you are just being argumentative basically for sport but you seem quite willing to let this hero of the liberal left completely slide for his act of cowardice.
Amused Observer: “Basically in this state it is negligent driving that results in the death of another. Barring a proven spontaneous mechanical failure putting it into the pond would do it.”
No. There could have been any number of reasons for the accident. You can’t just say, ‘We’ve eliminated one reason, therefore it must have been negligence.
“I realize you are just being argumentative basically for sport…”
Your head should explode with that outburst of projection.
1) The coroner determined that Ms. Kopechne survived the crash, and was found crouched with her head in what was one of the last places to fill with water. She drowned some time after the crash, and the position of the body makes it almost inescapable that she was conscious for some time before death.
2) After the crash, Ted Kennedy swam to shore, went to his hotel, chatted with the clerk (as if to establish an alibi), went to bed, and only called the police to report the crash about 12 hours after the crash — and after the crash had already been spotted and reported by a fisherman.
3) Ted Kennedy never served time for vehicular homicide because he was never charged — like pretty much anyone else not named “Kennedy” would have been in Massachusetts. He caused a crash, left it, and passed up numerous opportunities to report it when it might have saved his passenger’s life.
And most tragically, it seems that he was the one to teach his son Patrick (several crashes while under the influence) and Joseph II (rolled a Jeep and left a young woman paralyzed) to drive as well…
I’ll repeat it: I’d feel safer hunting with Dick Cheney than riding with anyone named “Kennedy.”
J.
you seem quite willing to let this hero of the liberal left completely slide for his act of cowardice.
You’re mistaken.
You asked whether I could think of a reason why Mr. Kennedy should not have “done time” and later amended the question to whether I think he should have been “punished,” which I take to mean punished by the state.
I am answering the question you put before me. Conviction must preceed punishment. Do you disagree?
1) The coroner determined that Ms. Kopechne survived the crash, and was found crouched with her head in what was one of the last places to fill with water.
The coroner? How ’bout some backup for that one, Mr. Tea?
My mistake, Quaker. It wasn’t the coroner — no autopsy was performed — but the diver who discovered the crash:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident#Discovery_of_the_body
J.
My mistake, Quaker.
When are you going to program a keyboard shortcut for that?
Can you describe the elements that have to be proved to win a conviction on vehicular homicide charges
Why no, but I bet you can.
Jeez, glad I left this thread when I did. didn’t know it was a time warp.
like pretty much anyone else not named “Kennedy” would have been in Massachusetts.
Should Laura Bush have done time?
Funny, Duros, I knew that was coming.
The differences:
1) Laura Bush was about half Kennedy’s age.
B) Laura never tried to evade her responsibility.
III) Laura’s crash was fully investigated by police.
d) Laura’s post-crash conduct did not endanger anyone.
iiiii) Laura was a private citizen at the time of her crash.
Other than that, Duros, it’s a perfect match…
J.
Quaker,
Do you have an opinion on Kennedy’s responsibility for the death of that young girl?