’)I have finally found something to agree with Republicans on!
In thinking about the Republican Party’s troubles, consider this: One-third of Republicans now say they have an unfavorable opinion of their party.
There’s no such dyspepsia among Democrats. Just 4% have an unfavorable view of their party.
The party of Chairman Rush is filled with unhappy people?
OH NOES!!!
They need to kick that third out.
Interior designer thinks the GOP was trying to be too moderate.
To quote David Frum (and I’ll try never to do it again)– No Wonder They Hate Us.
Clearly commenter “calling all toasters” has the only true path for the Republican Party: they must kick out of their Party everyone that doesn’t like the Party because as everyone knows, if you’re not with the Republican Party your against them.
Let the Republican purges commence.
Will the GOP split into the Jesus Party and the Conservative Party and thus make their views even more irrelevant? Inquiring minds want to know!
I wonder how much of that 33% think the Republicans are too extreme or too moderate?
No, toasty. That third wants to kick the other two-thirds out.
96% of Democrats think their party is peachy keen, eh? That’s a lot of Kool – Aid !
heh
“There’s a lot of time and nothing wrong with the Republican Party that health care reform or the cap-and-trade (energy plan) or something like that blowing up wouldn’t help fix,” Cook says.
Now, if only a Democrat would say or do the wrong thing, while a non-liberal reporter is around…
When Republicans are represented by fanatic extremists like “Frank ‘Taliban’ DiSalle”, whose rhetoric encourages domestic terrorism and explicitly support rapist’s rights, it’s a wonder that only a third of Republicans aren’t completely repulsed by the Republican Party.
Now, if only a Democrat would say or do the wrong thing, while a non-liberal reporter is around…
Actually, it’s been lots of Republicans saying the stupid thing(“You can see Russia from Alaska.” “I’ll get back to yah”, etc) that has led to 33% of Republicans disliking their own party, Frank, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Another ridiculous post coupled with the usual inane banter that is nothing more than the same posters repeating their pet memes. Republicans are more intellectually honest about not being happy about their Republican representation. Liberals spend eight years bellyaching about Republicans and look the other way when Democrats get in office more out of default than anything else and end up doing many of the same things Republicans did that drove them crazy in the first place.
Yes, Mr. Liberal, are you happy with Obama’s invoking Jesus more than George Bush did? Oh, yes, I don’t have a problem with that.
Are you satisfied with Barack Obama’s stance on gay marriage and DADT? Oh yes, I am satisfied with Barack Obama.
Are you comfortable with a 9.4% unemployment rate when Democrats told you that the stimulus measures would keep that rate from going above 8%? Oh yes, I am happy with Democrats.
Are you satisfied with Obama and the Democrats’ stimulus measures that increase the national debt by enormous proportions (even as you screamed endlessly about Bush’s debt levels) and the likelihood of high inflation, huge deficits and massive tax hikes on the middle class to pay for all their proposed spending plans? Oh yes, I am happy with Democrats. I trust that they will do the right thing. This time.
Interior designer thinks the GOP was trying to be too moderate.
When did that happen? I must have missed it.
USATODAY: “Poll: Most don’t know who speaks for GOP.” … “A 52% majority of those surveyed couldn’t come up with a name when asked to specify “the main person” who speaks for Republicans today. Of those who could, the top response was radio talk show host Rush Limbaugh (13%), followed in order by former vice president Dick Cheney, Arizona Sen. John McCain and former House speaker Newt Gingrich. Former president George W. Bush ranked fifth, at 3%.
So the dominant faces of the Republican Party are all men, all white, all conservative and all old enough to join AARP, ranging in age from 58 (Limbaugh) to 72 (McCain).”
Frank,
I am unhappy with plenty that Obama does, but remember that the alternative was John McCain.
But that was then, this is now. If Palin meets Obama in a debate, I’m pretty sure Obama is toast.
Please don’t run Sarah. Please!
Dishonest right wing troll “Dennis” is trying to pick a fight between Obama and the left-wing.
How cute.
The larger issue is that Obama is NOT a left-winger.
If right winger “Dennis” were honest he’d give Obama some slack for his genuine attempt to reach out to the right-wing.
But ‘right-winger’ and ‘honest’ are contradictions.
Well, it’s clear that “Repack Rider’s” afeared of Republican Palin, therefore it’s crucial that she run in 2012!
And just to show how bipartisan I am I want to express my absolute support for Republican Sarah Palin in the 2012 Republican Presidential Primaries!
Sarah Palin 2012 !
Dennis, for what it’s worth, Obama does a bunch of things I don’t like. I want him to repeal DADT. I want him to push for marriage equality. I would certainly like him to stop invoking God. And I wait in anticipation with respect to some major policy initiatives (e.g., health care reform). And I know there’s a bunch of fellow liberals that are in the same boat as me.
However, overall, do I approve of the administration at this point? Yes. As Repack notes, this is even more true when I compare the actual Obama administration to my conceptualization of a McCain presidency, and not to my ideal Obama administration.
I think you overstate your case a little bit.
I think you overstate your case a little bit. MC23
Yes, I’ve been known to do that on occasion. For the record, mambo, I think you are one of the more intellectually honest commenters here. Please don’t think I was trying to lump you in with the News Idiots of the world, or even the News Idiots of this blog. If I did that, I apologize.
Are you comfortable with a 9.4% unemployment rate when Democrats told you that the stimulus measures would keep that rate from going above 8%?
Glad to see you were taking notes when Newt was talking.
Yeah, Duros, I need Newt to tell me what the unemployment rate is and what Obama and Democrats promised us it would be last February. Remember chastising me for being critical of Obama’s talking down the economy then?
I didn’t think so.
Everything’s fine, Duros. You’re in good hands now, my friend.
Frank DiSalle: Now, if only a Democrat would say or do the wrong thing, while a non-liberal reporter is around…
There are plenty of non-liberal reporters around. And it doesn’t matter where they are when a Democrat speaks or does something. They’ll be sure to report how wrong it is (just becuase it was said/done by a, y’know, Democrat).
Dennis: Republicans are more intellectually honest about not being happy about their Republican representation.
If so, then it’s one of the few places where they are. It would be very easy to play tit-for-tat with you over places where Republicans and conservatives have condemned in Dems and liberals what they’ve had no problem with in themselves.
And despite your attachment to the simplistic view and painting with a broad brush, many that you would tag as liberals are not happy with Obama’s stance on DADT, or the bailouts, etc.
News Ref: USATODAY: “Poll: Most don’t know who speaks for GOP.” … “A 52% majority of those surveyed couldn’t come up with a name when asked to specify “the main person” who speaks for Republicans today.
…
So the dominant faces of the Republican Party are all men, all white, all conservative and all old enough to join AARP, ranging in age from 58 (Limbaugh) to 72 (McCain).”
OK. But what’s the result when the same question is asked of Democrats about who speaks for them? Presumably Obama would top the list, but I imagine the same would have been said of Bush (who currently ranks 5th) back when he was in office. But after that slot I would think you’d get predominantly older white males (Pelosi being the only exception).
I didn’t think so.
Oh, but I do remember that, you condescending hack.
If Palin meets Obama in a debate, I’m pretty sure Obama is toast.
Yeah. She scares me.
If right winger “Dennis” were honest he’d give Obama some slack for his genuine attempt to reach out to the right-wing.
Would that be President “I Won” you’re talking about? The one who excluded Republicans from drafting the “stimulus” bill? The same president who is again excluding Republicans from White House meetings, this time on Health Care reform?
Which ‘genuine attempt’ would that be?
You clearly have a tenuous grasp on reality.
Which ‘genuine attempt’ would that be?
You clearly have a tenuous grasp on reality. Dave in SoCal
News Ref does say some pretty freaked out stuff, Dave. You get the impression he’s the kind of guy the DHS should keeping a very close eye on.
This statistic appears to me to be a manifestation of what ought to be obvious to anyone paying attention – that Republicans have in general lost interest in moderate leaders and moderate opinions, as one paper (it escapes me at the moment, probably the economist) put it, the middle third of American opinion that actually decides elections.
(concern troll) Dangerous ground for them. (/concern troll)
Right winger “Dennis” “… he’s the kind of guy the DHS should keeping a very close eye on.”
Surveilling peaceful citizens peacefully voicing their point of view?
Under Republicans that’s exactly what was happening.
Republican government surveillance:
Speak against the war. Go on a Republican run government list.
Speak against animal abuse. Go on a Republican run government list.
Speak against corporate pollution. Go on a Republican run government list.
Watching Republicans creepy expansion of government-corporate surveillance was a profound repudiation of any absurd claims Republicans had toward ’smaller government’.
Republicans EXPAND government when they are in charge.
Republicans use government to intrude on private citizen’s private lives.
Republican Bush was even illegally surveilling your phone and internet traffic.
And Republican leaders cheered him on.
Republicans = Creepy Illegal Government Surveillance.
Right winger “Dave in SoCal”: The one who excluded Republicans from drafting the “stimulus” bill?
Yes. Obama did not allow the Republicans to draft the “stimulus” bill.
Go figure, Obama is President and has a Democratic majority in both the House and Senate and the Republicans are angry that he didn’t let Republicans write the “stimulus” legislation.
Obama did however give Republicans ample input and Obama even significantly changed the stimulus bill to appease Republicans in a vain hope of garnering Republican votes.
Instead Republicans bragged about giving Obama a “goose egg” (zero votes) on a crucial piece of economic legislation that was vital to keeping America from slipping into a Great Depression.
The bulk of the current Republican leadership want Obama to fail and if that means Republicans have to destroy the country, Republicans are willing to do that, even if that means Republicans betray America to the Chinese. (Which would have been treasonous had a Dem done such a thing, but it’s Republican’s First Rule: Rules Are For Other People).
Right winger “Dave in SoCal”: The same president who is again excluding Republicans from White House meetings, this time on Health Care reform?
Obama has given the Republicans ample time to contribute on Health Care reform and Republicans have made it clear Republicans are against Heath Care reform and will even use the filibuster to prevent Health Care reform.
Remember when the Republicans called the filibuster undemocratic and they said they were considering the “nuclear option” to destroy the filibuster? The Republicans said that if the Dems used the filibuster that the Republicans would eliminate the filibuster. It was a way of eliminating Dems use of the filibuster.
And yet once the Republicans became the minority, the Republicans have used the filibuster more than any previous Congress in America’s history. Again, it’s Republican’s First Rule: Rules are for Other People.
Despite that, Obama has had more Republicans included in his policy discussions in the first five months of his term than Republican Bush had in, what, his entire eight years?
Right winger “Dave in SoCal” pulls the classic Republican con game of demanding that Republicans be allowed to write the legislation as a minority and if they don’t then Obama is a meany.
Did I miss when Republican Bush, when he had a majority of Republicans in Congress, allowed the Democratic minority to draft (write) legislation?
Nope, I didn’t miss it, it never happened.
Either “Dave” doesn’t remember or know recent history or he’s engaging in the right winger’s favorite past time: Falsely rewriting history.
Republicans didn’t even give Dems an opportunity to debate most of the Republican legislation that the Republicans rubberstamped through Congress when Republicans were in charge.
On the other hand, Dems are giving Republicans ample and significant amounts of time to debate legislation.
Republicans are complaining that things are getting done despite Republican obstructionism and Republican “slow walking”.
Republicans are the obstructionists and have been ever since the Dems become the majority party.
Remember when the Republicans demonized obstructionists?
And now Republicans are the obstructionists.
Republican’s First Rule: Rules Are For Other People
Dennis the Bigot: “News Ref does say some pretty freaked out stuff, Dave. You get the impression he’s the kind of guy the DHS should keeping a very close eye on.”
I’m impressed you would say that the day a right-wing extremist shoots up the holocaust memorial museum.
Fucking hell, even the people on Fox News are starting to think, ‘Maybe there was something to that DHS report on right-wing extremism.’
But not you.
News Reference: “Go figure, Obama is President and has a Democratic majority in both the House and Senate and the Republicans are angry that he didn’t let Republicans write the “stimulus” legislation.
Obama did however give Republicans ample input and Obama even significantly changed the stimulus bill to appease Republicans in a vain hope of garnering Republican votes.”
And we have a winner. The Republicans were not allowed to right the bill, but they were given much more consultation than the Democrats had during the Bush years. Also, the Democrats have a larger majority, so according to democracy, they should have a larger say.
I don’t know why the right-wingers are in such a tizzy over this.
I’m impressed you would say that the day a right-wing extremist shoots up the holocaust memorial museum.
Fucking hell, even the people on Fox News are starting to think, ‘Maybe there was something to that DHS report on right-wing extremism.’
But not you. –Southern Strategy
Gee, Mr. Tourettes, seems this guy hated Bush, neoconservatives, Jews, Bill O’Reilly, and John McCain. That ‘many of his views track Left, rather than Right.’ And that he used the word ‘neoconservative’ much as you do, as a deragatory codeword for ‘Jews’. That he was a 9/11 Truther, like your spokesperson Rosie O’Donnell.
Maybe it was commenters like you that set him off yesterday. Maybe it was Obama’s mentor and racist, anti-Semitic pastor of twenty years’s comments yesterday that those Jews wouldn’t let him have access to his former student that set this guy off.
Fucking hell, Southern Strategy, even Oliver this time has the good sense not to go there with this one.
But not you.
Dennis the Bigot: “That ‘many of his views track Left, rather than Right.’”
Wow. Just wow.
Even Fox News is admitting this guy is a right-wing extremist and maybe attacking the DHS report was a mistake in retrospect.
But you… wow. You actually are going to try and pin this one on the left.
To call you an asshole doesn’t even begin to describe it.
Even Fox News is admitting this guy is a right-wing extremist and maybe attacking the DHS report was a mistake in retrospect.
– Tourettes
Shepard Smith at Fox News, more accurately. Which only proves the ‘Fair and Balanced’ trademark to be correct, and I appreciate your rare bit of honesty on that.
But you… wow. You actually are going to try and pin this one on the left.
No, I didn’t and I’m not. I’m just saying you are wrong, as usual, to pin it on the right. Look around you, Southern Strategy. You’re the lone nutcase on this one.
Surprise, surprise.
Amigo, are you arguing this guy WASN’T an extreme right-winger? You do realize that loads of hardcore conservatives (the Free Republic crowd) also dislike Bush and McCain?
Do you also realize that that’s NOT an indictment of conservatives en masse?
James Von Brunn is a right wing terrorist. (Suspect).
Though it’s fascinating to read/listen/watch right wingers do their usual dishonest intellectual gymnastics to warp right wing terrorism into anything but right wing terrorism.
“Dennis” cites a writer associated with “nazi pornography” to argue that a right wing neo-Nazi terrorist is ? uhm, ? not a right wing terrorist?
Any other right wing terrorists you would like to defend, “Dennis”?
Jim Adkisson? Perhaps Scott Roeder?
“Dennis”, please feel free to be as honest and specific about your support for right wing terrorists as you feel.
Parthy,
No, yes and yes. But CSS Strowbridge does indict conservatives en masse.
“News Idiot”-
Perhaps you could be as honest and specific about your support for “Barack Obama’s” sincerity when he chooses not to make a statement about a Muslim convert who guns down two men at a military recruitment station until the fifth day, then comes out immediately after the shooting yesterday to tell everyone they should must be vigilant about anti-Semitism. This after spending 20 years closely aligned with an anti-Semite, racist pastor, whose church published anti-Semitic writings in their church-sponsored periodical. This after that same pastor made a blatantly anti-Semitic statement just that very morning.
I didn’t say he wasn’t a right-wing terrorist, “News Idiot”. That you claim I did is more of your usual daily dishonesty. Yet you seem to demand honesty in others. Hypocrisy envelopes your very existence, “News Idiot”. You and “Southern Strategy” are two peas in a pod. When “Mr. ed” shows up, it will be a trifecta of liberal fascist hypocrisy.
Fascism is a right wing ideology, “Dennis”.
Fascism is when someone like Republican President Bush sells out our nation to his corporate cronies. Fascism is Corporate-Government. Corporations controlling government is the essence of neo-Republicanism as well as the purest definition of “Fascism” (See: Mussolini).
The polite term for right wing fascism is “corporatism”.
While extreme, it’s reasonably accurate to say that modern day Republicanism is Fascism (light).
Politely speaking, Republicans are corporatists.
Moderate Republicans have been completely repulsed by neo-Republican Fascism (corporatism). Many of those former moderate Republicans now call themselves “Independents” (or “Blue-Dogs”).
No, I didn’t and I’m not.
Sure. You just linked to an article that does and supported its argument.
Dennis:
Did you read Von Brunn’s posting on Free Republic ?
You know the one they deleted yesterday then, once caught, quietly reinstated.
Here you go: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141655/posts?q=1&;page=201
“Original, vault copy of Certificate of Live Birth in the USA — Not Released (1 version hidden in Hawaii, Original found in Kenya)”
“Love him or hate him, we all remember how the press went to great lengths to find out every move that President Bush made … finally unable to come up with anything factual, so they created it!”
“Dan Rather…”
“The same Media went to great lengths to scandalize & destroy Sarah Palin”
Sounds like a proper leftie to me. Heck I’m suprised he didn’t have a blog on Daily Kos.
Sheesh.
Obama even significantly changed the stimulus bill to appease Republicans in a vain hope of garnering Republican votes.
by putting in a bunch of pork projects for Red states.
Your welcome.
Dave in SoCal: The same president who is again excluding Republicans from White House meetings, this time on Health Care reform?
Yup. Hey, you know what? Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, fuck you.
Republicans didn’t even give Dems an opportunity to debate most of the Republican legislation that the Republicans rubberstamped through Congress when Republicans were in charge.
Remember when Sensenbrenner turned off the microphones and the lights, took his gavel and went home during a committee meeting so Democrats couldn’t debate?
Good times.
But CSS Strowbridge does indict conservatives en masse.
Ahem.
like your spokesperson Rosie O’Donnell.
Not so fast, there, laughing boy.
Wow, seriously, Denny? You link to Kathy Shiadle as an authority?
For shame. Anyone who says
is not being honest.
At all.
is not being honest. Duros62
Why don’t you say what is incorrect about what she wrote and why it’s incorrect when you call someone dishonest? I didn’t say she was an authority on anything, so you’re being dishonest stating that I did. The point she makes is this guy held the same views as many on the far left did, and do. That he disdains many of the same people liberals disdain and blame for all the country’s ills.
You graced us with five posts in a row but you didn’t say anything, just snarky retorts, Duros. And that’s a pretty common trait of yours. Then you get defensive at anyone who counters your banal contrbutions here.
Dennis: seems this guy hated Bush, neoconservatives, Jews, Bill O’Reilly, and John McCain. That ‘many of his views track Left, rather than Right.’ … That he was a 9/11 Truther
Almost word-for word exactly what Limbaugh started his program with this morning. What a good little soldier you are. Beloved Leader must be proud.
Dennis: Which only proves the ‘Fair and Balanced’ trademark to be correct
Bwaa-haa-haa. Oh, I just love starting the day with a good laugh. Thanks, Dennis.
The point she makes is this guy held the same views as many on the far left did, and do.
I don’t think that’s true. I think you have a pretty fucked up view of what the “far left” thinks, and anyone that pimps Jonah Goldberg’s logical fallacy of a book doesn’t deserve attention.
You graced us with five posts in a row but you didn’t say anything, just snarky retorts, Duros. And that’s a pretty common trait of yours. Then you get defensive at anyone who counters your banal contrbutions here.
Oh, I’m so fucking sorry, Dennis. I didn’t know there was a limit to how many times someone can post in a row.
It’s called free speech, asshole, same as yours.
Almost word-for word exactly what Limbaugh started his program with this morning.
I’ll have to take your word for it.
How would you know what Limbaugh said this morning?
Are you faithfully listening in, hanging on his every word? Or are you merely doing opposition research (the same way that men read Playboy for the articles)?
Get a life, man.
Oh, I’m so fucking sorry, Dennis. I didn’t know there was a limit to how many times someone can post in a row. Duros
Post to your heart’s content, Duros, you sensitive little weenie. You just never really say anything. Sorry if that hurts, but I’m only trying to help you.
Dave in SoCal: How would you know what Limbaugh said this morning?
Uh, because I happened to be listen to the start of his show?
Are you faithfully listening in, hanging on his every word? Or are you merely doing opposition research (the same way that men read Playboy for the articles)?
Yes, I do occasionally listen to the right-wing programs so that I can make my own judgments about what they say. I suppose you prefer the mindless “no I’ve never read that book but I just know it is evil because someone told me” approach valued by so many who celebrate their ignorance.
Get a life, man.
Nah. Then I wouldn’t be able to hang out here with all you fine folks.
Dennis: Which only proves the ‘Fair and Balanced’ trademark to be correct
Bwaa-haa-haa. Oh, I just love starting the day with a good laugh. Thanks, Dennis. Sean D.. Martin
Thanks, Sean. Thought guys like you might appreciate that, but it was meant more to rankle the feathers of that Tourette’s dude.
Sorry if that hurts, but I’m only trying to help you.
I’ve got a few ideas of what you could do to help me, Denny.
Almost word-for word exactly what Limbaugh started his program with this morning. What a good little soldier you are. Beloved Leader must be proud. SDM
Hey man, I linked the article I pulled that from. And it was posted well before airtime for El Rushbo’s show, so not sure where you’re coming from. You’re usually a little more careful in your accusations than the average poster here. Misconstrued most of the time, but usually careful to be somewhat accurately based.
I have my degree in Advanced Conservative Studies from the Limbaugh Institute, but I wouldn’t consider myself his good little soldier.
I have my degree in Advanced Conservative Studies from the Limbaugh Institute,
Did it come with a decoder ring?
OMG! Where’s the poutrage?
Spencer Pratt is first on the list.
Dennis: Hey man, I linked the article I pulled that from. And it was posted well before airtime for El Rushbo’s show, so not sure where you’re coming from.
Didn’t notice the link. Perhaps “Rushbo” saw the same article as you. Whoever came first, (Rush, article) very close to saying the same thing as each other.
You’re usually a little more careful in your accusations than the average poster here. Misconstrued most of the time, but usually careful to be somewhat accurately based.
I do try. Don’t always succeed. And am not above making the sarcastic snark, especially where oafs like Limbaugh and those who respect him are concerned.
Not a surprise. The republicans used to have the power of small they were detailed oriented and made sure every party member, spokesperson and supporter was on message. And they had tailored that message to resonate with people – not so much today.