Mr. President, I sure hope so, because there’s some conservative Dems out there who seem to be focused on holding up this reform and locking arms with the GOP in order to appease their paymasters in the insurance industry. We need to do this yesterday.
Well, it sure would be nice if we could know what everyone is unified about. But I guess its nice to know we won’t be fighting each other, at least. I guess.
Single payer universal health care wasn’t given a seat at the negotiating table so I’m skeptical that the obvious and clear solution of single payer health care will survive.
Some Congressional Dems (cough, Max Baucus) have been acting like wholly owned subsidiaries of the corporate-medical-industry.
I genuinely hope this is more than just talk from Obama:
“I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health-insurance option operating alongside private plans,” Obama writes. “This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive, and keep insurance companies honest.”
There is a lot of pent up energy to support single payer universal health insurance, Obama could/should be tapping this more effectively. That he’s not, and instead is playing footsie with the corrupt corporate insurance industry has been very disappointing.
But that will just make his win more spectacular, yes?
Your “reform” is rationing for the 96% of Americans. There is no reason to change the system for 8-12 million uninsured people, but I’m sure your side will try to force it down our throats anyway.
It seems like Obama has more in common with John McCain when it comes to health care, considering he condemned McCain’s “largest tax hike on the middle class” (taxing health benefits). So the Dems are now unifying around John McCain, hilarious.
Your “reform” is rationing for the 96% of Americans.
I’d argue the point, but you haven’t given us even a single so-called fact to work with. Why do you assume that providing health care for people who don’t have it will mean less care for the rest of us?
The government can’t manage Medicare efficiently how could it possibly take over all healthcare? All we hear from the democrats, Obama, and those non-thinkers like them is that the system needs reform. Yet the definition of this reform is never touted. But one with a shred of common sense (call it kryponite to the kryptonite to stupid) can see it is nothing more than socialized medicine. The failed experiment from around the world. I submit that the government’s intrusion into healtcare, via Medicare and Medicaid, has caused most of the problems we have today. For example, on average, they pay 10% below the COST of provided services. They expect commercial insurance and private payors to make up what they purposefully short-change the provider. Here is something to chew on…healthcare is not a right, it is a service. Plain and simple. Its not afforded to you in the constitution. Like any service not all can afford it nor can all afford the “gold plated” service. That’s the way the world works skippy and I should not be coerced to pay for your healthcare or unhealthy lifestyle.
“I’d argue the point, but you haven’t given us even a single so-called fact to work with. Why do you assume that providing health care for people who don’t have it will mean less care for the rest of us?”
Go ahead and explain your reasoning. Maybe the strength of your arguements will have some merit.
Right wing “Amused ‘Swiftboat Liar’ Observer” really loves trolling.
Why don’t you explain why millions of Americans without insurance is the system you prefer, “Amused”.
Why don’t you explain why the corporate-medical-insurance-industry’s looting of billions of dollars from health-insurance paying citizens is the system you prefer, “Amused”.
Why don’t you explain why the CEO’s of the corporate-medical-insurance-industry deserves billion dollar payoffs after denying health-insurance paying customers the care they paid for, “Amused”.
Did I mix you up with one of the other right wingers, “Amused”? Weren’t you the one that said you had health insurance and were indifferent to the plight of the millions of those that don’t have health insurance. Haven’t you been the one that spouts corporate-medical-industry talking points about how wonder the current system is?
“Go ahead and explain your reasoning. Maybe the strength of your arguements [sic] will have some merit.”
I am unwilling to trade the quality of my healthcare provided by the system I paid into for a system of lesser quality burdened by more government control.
Amused Observer: “I am unwilling to trade the quality of my healthcare provided by the system I paid into for a system of lesser quality burdened by more government control.”
No one is asking you to.
I pay less money than you do, I get better health care, and there’s less bureaucracy to deal with.
It’s win-win-win.
Right winger “Amused ‘Swiftboat Liar’ Observer”: “I am unwilling to trade the quality of my healthcare provided by the system I paid into for a system of lesser quality burdened by more government control.”
Exactly. It’s all about you.
But nobody is demanding that you trade in your health care or even asking you to and you know it.
In fact, competition from the government would force private health plans to be more competitive which should improve your service, lower your rates, or both.
What you are really afraid of is that it might raise your taxes.
You know, the taxes you hate paying and demanded a tax cut from, the taxes that should be paying for your (claimed) son in the military and his body armor, and his MRAP, and, should he unfortunately get injured (assuming he’ll ever see combat), would be paying for his medical centers and potential PTSD treatments should he need them.
I expect the government to provide American soldiers with high quality medical care, it’s shameful that you don’t feel the same.
But you wanted your tax cut more than you wanted to contribute to America’s soldiers, even your own son.
Contemptible.
And let’s be clear, Republican Bush’s Iraq War Lie has cost over a 1/2$ TRILLION dollars so far and is expected to cost trillions (plural) before it’s finished.
That would have covered the nation’s uninsured for a very long time and kept your son out of a stupid war.
Not only would 4,307 American troops be alive, countless American civilians lives would have been saved by having health care.
But it’s all about you.
Right wingers are just moochers and looters, they’ll even betray their own sons.
CS,
We see many people from Canada here where I live. Most say your system is ok if you’re not in a hurry. They also tell me that they have to buy supplemental insurance. Several times a year patients from Canada are medivacced down here for treatment that is unavaiable or too tricky for the locals in Canada to handle.
And I know people that go to Canada and Mexico to buy their prescription drugs because they couldn’t afford the corporate-Pharma-industries exorbitant prices.
And, personally, every time I’ve ever been to the Doctor here in the States I’ve had to make appointments far ahead of time, I’d arrive on time and usually wait forever, so it was fine as long as I wasn’t in a hurry.
And the few times I’ve been to an emergency room I usually had to wait even longer than the times I’ve made appointments.
And isn’t it expected that a country with 1/10th of America’s population and less than 1/10th of America’s GDP would have a different scale of services?
Isn’t that basic economics?
And here’s some basic math facts:
Canada has a lower infant mortality rate than the US (the US is behind 45 other countries this year!).
Canada also has a longer life expectancy than the US (the US is behind 50 other countries this year!).
So, America’s system is fine if you don’t mind the long waits, the obscenely high prices, and the fact that Canadians live longer and have a lower infant mortality rate.
And you do NOT want to know where America ranks on the “death rate” scale….
And don’t forget–there’s no rationing now. When insurance companies tell you “NO” to covering your life-threatening injury, they’re doing it for your own good.
Health insurance for the “Funemployed”?
“http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-funemployment4-2009jun04,0,7581684.story
Funny how there were no “Funemployment” stories while GWB was in office.