Now, do I condone killing these individuals? Hell no. There are LOTS of reasons to not kill off the mentally-handicapped, infants, the decrepit. However, “personhood” is not one of them.

What is so hard to understand about this? Why can’t you guys comprehend this, one of the simplest fucking philosophical issues there is?

I’m pretty sure that’s how it works in Texas, sans the PETA letter.

Took me two seconds to find that. Fetuses, infants, the severely-handicapped, etc., are not persons, in the same way that horses, dogs, llamas, and pigeons are not persons. Personhood is a philosophical construct. Terri Schiavo, in her vegetative state, was not a person. She was a living human, sure, but just being human does not automatically confer personhood.

So, they’re human beings, but not people. Thank goodness that our legal system doesn’t take the same approach. Otherwise would the killing of a seriously retarded person would be treated the same as killing a dog; some fines, maybe s short stint in jail, having to write an apology to PETA?

I wonder if there’s a Law and Order episode where a killer attempted a defense of “They weren’t really a person” to mitigate their crime? If not I should really get to writing.

Now, for the truth:

The killer was never a member of OR – he posted a comment . Might as well say I work for Media Matters.

Second, Randall Terry hasn’t been associated with OR for years.

Let’s go back to blaming O’Reilly… or Limabaugh … or ANYBODY but the killer…

But, for Pete’s sake, make these anti-abortion people shut up!

Your indirect support of terrorism used on behalf of your issue, your Theocratic paternalism, your expectation that women should be subservient to your authoritarianism, your use of toxic and violent language to brand others even while demanding that others not use the same kind of language to brand you, well, we’ll go out on a limb and assume that you aren’t part of a violent right wing terrorist group, you just apologize for them.

That’s the functional difference between al Qaeda and the Taliban.

Do you really think that little diatribe passed for logic ?

I guess I can’t stop you from calling me a terrorist, but , wow, are you a pseudo – intellectual blowhard or what?

My BS detector went deep into the red, right about here :

Either you have a problem with “words” or you don’t, “Frank”.

BTW, my name is Frank , not “Frank” , “Newsie”

This entire thread was about the right wing’s use of “words” to target a Doctor for assassination.

The right wing doesn’t want their “words” restricted and yet want to restrict the “words” that are used by others.

Either you have a problem with “words” or you don’t, “Frank”.

Either there was something wrong with a national television and radio host repeatedly targeting someone or there isn’t.

Having some random blog-commenter out you as a “terrorist” means what? It means nothing.

Try to consider how you would feel if a national radio and television program with millions of viewers kept calling you a “murderer” and “baby killer”.

Try to consider what it would feel like to have your face repeatedly put on television and have a national audience told you are a “baby killer” and a “murderer”.

But that would require empathy, something you clearly don’t have and is something markedly missing in the right wing and the Republican Party.

“Frank DiSalle”, you’ve expressed a willingness to protect rapists ability to force their victims to have their children.

“Frank DiSalle”, you are trying to diminish the murder of a Doctor:

“I have no sympathy whatever for an abortionist”

“Frank DiSalle”, you are trying to diminish the use of terrorism.

“Frank DiSalle”, you throw around reckless rhetoric but now you want to restrict the rhetoric that’s used against you?

Start by cleaning up your own mouth, “Frank ‘the Terrorist’ DiSalle”.

You can call me a lunatic , if you wish, because I do reside under the moon. Does the planet you live on have a moon?

Your name calling only serves to remind me that you are a “cookie cutter” garden variety liberal, to wit: “I have run out of valid arguments, so I will now attack you”

It can be carved in stone that, in any debate, the person with the liberal ideological bent will always — always — be the first to resort to name calling and vituperative responses…

You can check every thread in Oliver’s archives — you will find no exceptions — none …

Frank: For those of us with either a gag reflex or a conscience that glimpse into the mind of a pro-abortion person is at once frightening and disgusting.

Oh for fuck’s sake, Frank. Learn something, would you? Go take an introductory philosophy course at your local community college or something.

Here: http://www.dunbar-i-l.demon.co.uk/philosophy/pv_2.htm#s3

Took me two seconds to find that. Fetuses, infants, the severely-handicapped, etc., are not persons, in the same way that horses, dogs, llamas, and pigeons are not persons. Personhood is a philosophical construct. Terri Schiavo, in her vegetative state, was not a person. She was a living human, sure, but just being human does not automatically confer personhood.

I’d like to point out, too, that I don’t go around killing the handicapped, babies, nor dogs, nor squirrels. There are perfectly good reasons not to do these kinds of acts. However, “personhood” does not come into play as one of those reasons.

Jesus fucking tapdancing Christ….

Same reason we don’t say “most members of the Tailban are peaceful”. You’re equating “pro-lifer” and “Christian”.

If you don’t believe in shooting abortionists, then don’t shoot one.

Thank you for telling us how you really feel.

I’ll protect Doctors.

You can protect assassins of Doctors.

I’ll protect the health of the mother.

And you can protect terrorists, “Frank DiSalle”.

Right wing terrorists like “Frank DiSalle” and their Republican protectors are the most repulsive parts of the Republican Party.

Lunatic right wing extremists like “Frank” have been a big part of what has alienated many former moderate Republicans into becoming Independents and voting Democratic.

Keep talking, “Frank ‘Rapists don’t force children to have babies’ DiSalle”, you discredit the right wing better than any of the other right wingers that post here.

Why aren’t liberals rushing to assure us this time that “most pro-lifers are peaceful”?

If you don’t believe in shooting abortionists, then don’t shoot one.

Apparently “Jay” was home schooled by Taliban Theocrats as well.

Dictionary definition of “fetus“: “In humans, the unborn young from the end of the eighth week after conception to the moment of birth, as distinguished from the earlier embryo.”

Right wingers that don’t know basic biology are trying to dictate that government can force strangers to have babies.

But if/when government told those right wingers they now had the responsibilities of parents (since they forced the birth of that child(ren)) and would have to pay for that child(ren)’s healthcare, education, food, and clothing, those same right wingers scream “socialism” and move their business address to the Cayman Islands.

Right wingers are deadbeat parents.

“Jay”: “Many states have established that a fetus is indeed a person in the eyes of the law.”

Many states had established that women were property and couldn’t vote in the eyes of the law.

Most states still refuse to honor the marriage between two people (if it’s two of “those” kind of people).

Your appeal to authority falls flat, “Jay”.

If an appeal to authority worked, then the Theocratic right wing would accept that even the Bible says a fetus is not a child and not a person (Exodus 21:22-25).

But despite the backwards laws rejecting women’s freedom to make their own choices, and despite what the Bible might be interpreted as saying, women aren’t your property “Jay”.

Your wife is not your property, your daughter is not your property, and their freedom to make their own choices about their bodies is absolute.

The Taliban Theocratic world view you have, “Jay”, is regressive and antithetical to the ideals of freedom that the right always claim for themselves even as they try to limit the freedoms of others.

“Frank DiSalle” was apparently home schooled by the Taliban.

And this is the problem with the right wing, it’s riddled with bigoted, ignorant zealots who don’t understand basic biology but think they should be the authorities on when government forces strangers into having children.

“fafaroo” offers the only compromise you’ll get from me, “You don’t have to have an abortion if you don’t want one.”

No one will force you to have children, “Frank”.

And you don’t get to force strangers to have children.

Period.

Frank, you would define Vietnamese food as “Liberal” if it gave you gas.

Let’s not be ridiclious. We all know it’s impossible for something “Liberal” to give you gas since Liberals refuse to allow drilling for gas.

Translation: “We need to make abortion illegal because I know what’s best for those dumb hoes better than they do.”

Those people usually define themselves as “Liberals”.

Frank, you would define Vietnamese food as “Liberal” if it gave you gas.