Another apparent act of right wing terror.
Thanks religious right.
Thanks Bill O’Reilly.
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Abortion Provider Dr. George Tiller Assassinated
May 31st, 2009
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This happened in a state with the death penalty.
Fiat Iusticia.
J.
For all the fear the Right spreads about the ‘Lefty Killers’, what continually amazes me is that, when the killing happens, its always a Right-Wingnut pulling the trigger or blowing the bomb.
–Ok City
–Atlanta ‘96
–Knoxville, TN
–Little Rock, AR
–and now, Wichita, KS
Who’s next, I wonder? You? Me? Can’t tell when some right-wing whacko armed to the teeth and fed on the Fox News and PNAC lies will ‘whip it out’ and start hosing down where you might be enjoying your lunch, or movie, whatever.
Jay…wrong 2 words.
“Jury Nullification”.
Don’t think for a second the triggerman won’t walk in Christian Kansas. The Fundies think nothing at all of blowing the Commandment against False Witness, or stealing, or killing, as long as it suits their ends.
Very Macchiavellian
Nutjobs are bipartisan.
Which side of the political spectrum embraces the Unibomber, Earth First!, ELF, ALF, the Black Panthers, the SLA, the Weather Underground, and whatnot?
Remember the feared “anti-Muslim backlash” that was supposed to sweep the US after 9/11? Well, I’m pretty confident that the political powers that be will use this as a cudgel to go after their political foes.
Of course, the gunman will be absolved of most of the responsibility for his actions. It was the evil right-wing propaganda, coupled with the ready access to a gun, that made this poor, disturbed individual act this way. He needs treatment and understanding, not punishment.
Like I said at first, this happened in a state with a death penalty. that means that there might be real justice here.
J.
I admit that I am soooooo looking forward to what that turd O’Reilly will have to say about this on Monday, given his affection for the appellation “Tiller the Baby Killer”…
So does this act of terrorism mean we’re going to invade Kansas?
Hey, “Newsy,” if you’re now an official Spelling Nazi, you might want to call Oliver on his misspelling “assassinated.”
I’m surprised you didn’t catch it on your own — you’re a professional ass, after all, and “assassinated” has two of ‘em right up front.
justadood, I’d take that bet. This guy is a dead man walking — or, at least, going away forever. The only question is whether Kansas will kill him or lock him up for life, or if Obama’s Justice Department will find a way to make it a federal case.
J.
Like I said at first, this happened in a state with a death penalty. that means that there might be real justice here.
Justice will be this guy living the rest of his natural life in prison, not getting to delude himself into thinking he’s some kind of martyr for his cause.
I’m not against the death penalty because I think there’s never a reason to kill another human being, but because I don’t believe the death penalty system is justice, for a heap of reasons.
In Buddhism there are many hells. One of them is the hell where you go on living. I want him in that one.
Eric: shrug.
I got no problem with this guy thinking of himself as a martyr. To steal a line from a Tom Clancy novel, do you know what all martyrs have in common? They’re dead.
Fear of creating martyrs is, in my opinion, overrated.
It appears that this guy committed first-degree, premeditated murder in a state where that can carry the death penalty. Let the system work as it is intended to.
And, as I said before, if by some insane reason Kansas doesn’t see justice done, then can anyone imagine the Obama Justice Department letting it slide? I mean, this guy is no Black Panther, he KILLED AN ABORTION DOC. Even the most anti-death-penalty Obamoid ought to be tempted to see the guy get executed.
J.
Which side of the political spectrum embraces the Unibomber, Earth First!, ELF, ALF, the Black Panthers, the SLA, the Weather Underground,
Is this a trick question? Neither, obviously. Aren’t those all fringe lunatic nutcases? I’m sure the omission of Charlie Manson was just an oversight.
Do you “embrace” Eric Rudolph? Tim McVeigh? David Koresh? Well then, there’s your answer. They may consider themselves “conservative,” but other people who consider themselves conservative shun them.
It’s so confusing.
You caught me, Repack. I used “embraces” as a synonym for “contains,” knowing that it has other connotations in this context.
I stand by the literal truth of what I said though — which side of the political spectrum contains the terrorists I cited?
J.
You know whats really funny about saying politicians will use this murder to attack their enemies? The most far reaching gun control laws were enacted after a pro 2nd amendment Republican President and his detail was shot.
Dr Tiller wasn’t the first ob gyn who was murdered by some pro life asshole and yet we still don’t have any real strong protections for those kinds of doctors. Some how I doubt this incident will do anything to change that because while some right to life orgs are releasing condemnations today, they will pitch a fit tomorrow if anybody does anything that might protect doctors who perform abortions from assholes trying to kill them they will go into full throated oppressed victim mode and resist any kind of common sense legislation.
Fear of creating martyrs is, in my opinion, overrated.
I’m sorry, who said I was afraid?
Once again: I am against the death penalty because I’m against the death penalty because I don’t believe it’s sufficiently punishing. Prison sucks, and living in prison your whole life, without even the notoriety of being on death row and having the publicity that often comes with that, is depressing. It’s awful.
It’s punishment.
This man killed another man out of a devotion to a religion that says you should die for your beliefs. I see no reason to allow him to do so.
I am against the death penalty because I’m against the death penalty because I don’t believe it’s sufficiently punishing.
Yeah um, take one of those “I am against the death penalty because” bits.
We shouldn’t blame the religious right or Bill O’Reilly (as much as I’m not a fan of either of them) for this. The perpetrator is obviously a deranged nutcase. Oliver, how would you feel if a conservative blogger blamed you for the murder of someone you strongly criticized? Pretty angry, I bet (and rightly so). Let’s not give the religious right and O’Reilly martyrdom ammunition (”Your humble correspondent is being viciously blamed by left-wing smear merchants on the Internet for Tiller’s murder as a result of our completely legitimate investigating and reporting of his behavior”).
Jay Tea, why are you suggesting that Obama’s Justice Department would “let slide” a murder committed by a Black Panther? Where is your evidence for this smear?
Eric Sipple
I’m not against the death penalty because I think there’s never a reason to kill another human being, but because I don’t believe the death penalty system is justice, for a heap of reasons.
For the most part I am staunchly opposed to the death penalty as I feel it serves no useful purpose. There are some cases which make me question this belief:
1) Murdering a witness. In Denver we recently had a case were a suspect, from jail, had an accomplice gun down a witness to a murder the suspect was standing trial for. This is an attack on the entire justice system. It is an attack on all of us really and, as much as I hate to admit it, I feel capital punishment is appropriate.
2) Killing for political reasons. The murder of Dr. Tiller is a prime example. He was killed in order to silence and intimidate people who the killer disagreed with politically. This is an attack on the democratic system by which we govern ourselves and, as much as I hate to admit it, I feel capital punishment is appropriate.
3) A murder committed while the assailant is already serving a life sentence. I think adding life sentence on top of life sentence is meaningless.
Thanks religious right.
Thanks Bill O’Reilly.
More ass-head stupid comments in the face of a despicable crime. Never ceases to amaze me how people just dive right in and use such things as a political bludgeon.
Lame Oliver. Really lame.
But, it seems these days the popularity of your blog is dependent upon feeding red meat to the left wing masses.
Enjoy.
Jay Caruso: “More ass-head stupid comments in the face of a despicable crime. Never ceases to amaze me how people just dive right in and use such things as a political bludgeon.”
O’Reilly repeatedly called Tiller, ‘Tiller the Baby Killer’. He said Tiller had blood on his hands and judgment day was coming.
But you didn’t know that, did you?
You’re just like J.G.Thayer. You are willing to make claims on subjects you know nothing about.
C.S., we don’t even know if the nutcase who committed this murder even watched/listened to O’Reilly. C’mon, this kind of blame game is wrong, and will probably lead to undeserved martyrdom on O’Reilly’s part.
Hey Jay- tell you what let’s weigh the body count of every group you listed against just two right wing terrorists- and lets see which is a greater threat- Here’s my two- Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols. I’ll start pretending there’s an equivalence when eco-terorrist blow up a preschool. Heck I can isolate individual rightwing causes and still get a greater threat- Anti-Woman/Anti-Choice- Rudolph, Gunn, Slepian, and this guy. How many have Earth First, the ELF and of Green Extremeist killed? This is like comparing those whackjobs who were going to cut down the Brooklyn Brigde with Blow torches to Al Queada- its facetitious if not moronic.
dan-
I think it has something to do with the fact that this is just the latest in a string of terrorist acts by scumbags who have invariably ended up with FOX propagandists on their reading lists- the Shooters in Pittsburgh and Tennessee- big right tards, etc.
I don’t blame conservatives or the Religious Right en masse, but I do think Operation Rescue is about due for a full-blown body cavity search here. This guy was a member and in regular communication with them. The head of OR, Randall Terry, has nothing but terrible things to say about the murdered doctor, totally glossing over the fact the doc was killed inside his own church, during church services…how blasphemous and abominably un-Christian!
I stand by the literal truth of what I said though — which side of the political spectrum contains the terrorists I cited?
You got me then. I’ll take Earth First! and all their dead victims as long as you accept Tim McVeigh.
Is that equivalent?
Countdown til Hannity, Beck and O’Reilly get blamed for this…..9….8….7….
Here’s some info on the suspect:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/31/737357/–Suspect-Identified-in-Tiller-Assassination
Apparently, he has a long history of unstable behavior. Long before O’Reilly ever had a show. The guy is a certifiable nut.
Yo mama: “Countdown til Hannity, Beck and O’Reilly get blamed for this…..9….8….7….”
You act like what people hear has no consequences. If this were true, there would be no advertising.
O’Reilly called Tiller a Baby Killer. Said he had blood on his hands. Said his judgment day was coming.
Is O’Reilly 100% to blame? No. But is he part of a culture that is helping turn right-wing extremists into violent right-wing extremists? Hell yes.
Whatever you say C.S.
Not really here to argue over that again.
“O’Reilly called Tiller a Baby Killer. Said he had blood on his hands. Said his judgment day was coming.”
Again, C.S., we don’t even know if Tiller’s murderer even listened to/watched O’Reilly. Let’s stick with fact. There’s enough legitimate criticism out there against this clown, criticism that could (probably literally) fill books without resorting to wild allegations about him inciting violence against Tiller.
“fact” should have been “facts.”
“Said his judgment day was coming.”
Actually, he didn’t. O’Reilly said that “I wouldn’t want to be these people (Tiller and then-governor of Kansas Kathleen Sebelius) on Judgement Day.” Rather over-the-top and sensationalistic but not nearly as inflammatory as the quote you (C.S.) attributed to him. Please, again, let’s stick to the facts.
Yes, Jay, we should always pretend as if the constant never ending drumbeat of demonization that the right traffics in resulting in death is just an unfortunate coincidence and anyone who points these things out is being “political”.
Never ceases to amaze me how people just dive right in and use such things as a political bludgeon.
It never ceases to amaze me how fast the right wingers showed up here to argue that this wasn’t a politically motivated killing.
Anyone who denies there’s a right-wing pattern here is delusional. For years groups like Operation Rescue have published the home addresses of doctors they disagreed with. So Mr. Jay, why do you think they did this? So their members could send them flowers at Christmas?
I’m so fucking sick and tired of the false equivalencies made up by Republicans. Over the past three decades, right-wing Christian nut-jobs have murdered abortion providers (and in some cases simply the volunteers who escort women to and from the clinics). THERE IS NO EQUIVALENCY TO THIS ON THE LEFT.
It’s so sad and pathetic that you guys won’t take the simple responsibility of cleaning your house of those who commit violence in the name of your wretched, failed beliefs as to how the government should have complete control over a woman’s body.
I’ve despised Operation Rescue for almost 20 years, and there’s a part of me that’s positively gleeful about the full-bore proctological exam they’re going to get now.
And not to give Oliver any more talking points, but isn’t is CONVENIENT that Napolitano has that report on the dangers of right-wing extremism handy?
In the coming months, conservatives are going to find all sorts of new ways to hate Tiller’s murderer in ways that will dwarf the left’s “outrage” over this incident, as the actions of this one lone psycho are used as a club, over and over, to beat down on conservatives who have never even once considered or espoused violence.
Oliver’s already beating this drum as hard as he can.
J.
Right, and you didn’t vote for McCain because you’re not a Republican. Uh-huh.
“conservatives are going to find all sorts of new ways to hate Tiller’s murderer”
Actually, they’re probably going to just do what they’ve always done. Make public statements condemning violence, then in private continue to think in terms of how these doctors deserved it, and that any woman who has sex outside of marriage “has it coming.”
Operation Rescue has been around for decades. Why will this change anything?
The Republican Party has no shame and no sense of principle. They’re perfectly content to go on ahead being hypocrites when it comes to just about everything.
Why are people that speak their opinions about political issues any more culpable than the politicians who take the actions spurring the opinions? I’m not talking about actual incitement, which this was not. But it’s a dangerous road to go down, wanting to silence criticism for fear of what crazy ideas crazy people might conceivably have in response. And that danger doesn’t have anything to do with right or left.
I think there’s an amendment in the Constitution to that effect, somewhere toward the beginning…
More ass-head stupid comments in the face of a despicable crime. Never ceases to amaze me how people just dive right in and use such things as a political bludgeon.
Spot’s not coming out, is it? Well, you can keep on scrubbing for as long as you wish, but that one’s a keeper. You should know that by now.
Shorter Jay Tea: The real monster here is Obama.
It sounds to me like what Jay Tea is saying is, the death penalty is not a deterrent to murder. Whaddaya know, I agree!
Yo mama: “Whatever you say C.S.
Not really here to argue over that again.”
That’s cause you can’t. You have no counter argument, so you try and dismiss the point.
J.G.Thayer: “And not to give Oliver any more talking points, but isn’t is CONVENIENT that Napolitano has that report on the dangers of right-wing extremism handy?”
… That report was commissioned by the Bush administration, you fucking idiot.
Good god, you are a fucking retard.
Are you truly this stupid? Or is this an act?
Daniel Rotter: “Again, C.S., we don’t even know if Tiller’s murderer even listened to/watched O’Reilly.”
This would only matter if O’Reilly was an isolated commentator, and not a mainstream conservative whose opinions are shared by many, many others in the conservative media.
The causal relationship here strikes me as pretty obvious.
“but isn’t is CONVENIENT that Napolitano has that report on the dangers of right-wing extremism handy”
Sadly the DHS looked prophetic, now. And you still look like an idiot.
“but isn’t is CONVENIENT that Napolitano has that report on the dangers of right-wing extremism handy”
Ah, the sperm from which whacked out conspiracies are inseminated. Sigh.
Daniel Rotter Again, C.S., we don’t even know if Tiller’s murderer even listened to/watched O’Reilly.
CSS: This would only matter if O’Reilly was an isolated commentator, and not a mainstream conservative whose opinions are shared by many, many others in the conservative media.
So the factualness of whether he ever listened to O’Reilly or not is irrelevant because there exist in the world others who have O’Reilly like views. Not that it’s been shown he listened to any of them, but I suppose that would be irrelevant, too.
Have I got that right?
Daniel Rotter: “Again, C.S., we don’t even know if Tiller’s murderer even listened to/watched O’Reilly.”
CSS: “This would only matter if O’Reilly was an isolated commentator, and not a mainstream conservative whose opinions are shared by many, many others in the conservative media.”
Sean: “So the factualness of whether he ever listened to O’Reilly or not is irrelevant because there exist in the world others who have O’Reilly like views. Not that it’s been shown he listened to any of them, but I suppose that would be irrelevant, too.
Have I got that right?”
No. But that’s no surprise coming from an illiterate moron like you.
1.) How did, ‘That’s what ‘per 100,000′ is for’ make sense given the context of the discussion. You claimed I was stalling by asking for clarification, so you must have an interpretation that would clear that up.
2.) Why did Paul McKim sue Nasser Kazeminy? I’m not asking you to defend a position you never took. I’m merely asking you to explain something you’ve commented on in the past. I want to know if you know the factual basis of this lawsuit.
3.) The GOP recently put out an attack ad against Obama that mentioned Obama’s new dog. Explain what the GOP were trying to say in your own words. Again, I’m not asking you to defend what they said, but merely explain it in your own words.
Thanks, CSS. I bet myself that I couldn’t post a question without your reply being
– non responsive,
– gratuitously insulting
and (honestly, I thought this was the long shot)
– referring to irrelevant past postings.
Trifecta!
CSS: 3.) The GOP recently put out an attack ad against Obama that mentioned Obama’s new dog. Explain what the GOP were trying to say in your own words. Again, I’m not asking you to defend what they said, but merely explain it in your own words.
BTW, coughBullshit.cough Explained my view numerous times to have you only insist I explain my view. It isn’t that I haven’t done so, it’s that I don’t agree with you and your insecurity has a problem with that.
So does this act of terrorism mean we’re going to invade Kansas?
If there is a one percent chance that Kansas poses a threat to the United States, then there can be no other choice.
Sean: “Thanks, CSS. I bet myself that I couldn’t post a question without your reply being
- non responsive,”
Wow. You refused to answer my questions. AND you attacked me for being non responsive. Amazing.
By the way, you asked a yes / no question. I said no. How is that non-responsive?
“- gratuitously insulting”
Tell you what, you don’t act like a fucking retard, and I won’t call you a fucking retard.
“- referring to irrelevant past postings.”
It’s not irrelevant, it goes to credibility. Your inability to comprehend the English language goes directly to your ability to interpret what I said.
“BTW, coughBullshit.cough Explained my view numerous times…”
I’m asking you to restate what the GOP was saying in your own words, because there seems to be some confusion on what you think it means.
I’ll give you an example.
fafaroo: “CSS and I have explained exactly why it is not possible to attack Obama for what he spent on the dog WITHOUT ALSO attacking the dog within the context of the ad.
The ad is not saying that Obama doesn’t know the value of Portuguese Water Dogs.
It’s saying that Obama knows the value of Portuguese Water Dogs and he’s willing pay it because Portuguese Water Dogs are an elitist status symbol, not the kind of regular dogs that regular Americans would buy.
If you don’t explain what meaning the dog itself has in the attack on Obama, Sean, you have not made your argument at all.”
See? See what fafaroo said there? The depth of his explanation? That’s what I’m looking for. I have not seen you come close to that.
CSS: That’s what I’m looking for.
As noted numerous times before, no, it isn’t.
CSS: “That’s what I’m looking for.”
Sean D. Martin: “As noted numerous times before, no, it isn’t.”
And there you have it. Sean D. Martin, illiterate asshole to the extreme, has the audacity to tell me what I want. And no, I’m not calling you illiterate as a hyperbole. I believe your reading comprehension is so weak that you should be considered illiterate.
Also, I notice you ignore a few bits of my post. Why is that? Some might call you non-responsive for doing that.
Hell, you can ignore it all, as long as you answer just one question…
“Why did Paul McKim sue Nasser Kazeminy?”
I would love to hear your explanation of this.
Your excuses have been shown to be just that, excuses, so why not answer it? If you have a good answer, you can use it to shut me up.
And you know I’m going to bring it up every single time you talk to me.
CSS: And you know I’m going to bring it up every single time you talk to me.
Yeah, sigh. But that’s okay. I’ve dealt with people who have Tourettes before.
CSS: “And you know I’m going to bring it up every single time you talk to me.”
Sean D. Martin: “Yeah, sigh. But that’s okay. I’ve dealt with people who have Tourettes before.”
And I’ve dealt with lying fucks before.
I’ve dealt with those who having legitimate learning difficulties before.
I’ve dealt with little assholes like you before.
I’ve dealt with people who speak on topics they don’t know about, and who then refuse to defend their statements before.
I rather have idiots like you say I have Tourettes than being a lying, ignorant, retard like you.
As an example…
I said to you, ‘So you are allowed to speculate without evidence, but I can’t call for an investigation of a parent who calls their kid Adolf Hilter?’
And you thought I was saying you can’t speculate without evidence.
Seriously. That’s what you thought I said.
THAT’S A SIGN OF SERIOUS READING COMPREHENSION PROBLEM.
Yet instead of standing up and defending yourself in the “Paul McKim v. Nasser Kazeminy” lawsuit, you instead are lashing out at me saying I have Tourettes.
You are so dumb, that you don’t know you are dumb.
It would be funny, except you are embarrassing my side.
SDM: Explained my view numerous times to have you only insist I explain my view.
CSS: I’m asking you to restate what the GOP was saying in your own words, …
And there you go again.
…because there seems to be some confusion on what you think it means.
And there you have it. C.S.Strowbridge, illiterate asshole to the extreme, has the audacity to tell me I have poor reading comprehension.
Me: So does this act of terrorism mean we’re going to invade Kansas?
“Duros62″: “If there is a one percent chance that Kansas poses a threat to the United States, then there can be no other choice.”
By Republican rules it probably means we’ll have to invade Ohio also, since they had nothing to do with it.
Oh, but I’m sure we can use a few “enhanced interrogation techniques” on some random asshole whose coerced confession can then be used to establish a “credible” link between Kansas and Ohio
Does it have to be random? Can we make it Cheney?