’)The southern regional party in America debates. (via)
I should point out the equivalent of this would have been, in May of 2001, if the Democratic party convened and decided whether we would call the Republican party the Poophead Party or the Crappy Pants Party.
By comparison, here’s a story from May of 2001:
There are a lot of unhappy Democrats out there, including some toiling away on Capitol Hill. Despite all the chirpy pronouncements about taking some of the air out of President Bush’s proposed $1.6 trillion tax cut, and the party’s cries of “Eureka!” as it charged the Republican Administration with being more sympathetic to domestic oil and gas producers than to Alaskan caribou, Democrats are having a seriously hard time as the out-of-power party. Life was more fun before Bush and his West Texas sensibilities moved in.
The Democrats made a lot of mistakes when they were out of power (which is why it seems crazy to me that one of those mistakes, Terry McAuliffe seems likely to win the VA governor’s primary) but the bulk of those mistakes were in the world of policy and they were concessions to Bush’s agenda.
Republicans have made it pretty clear here that their agenda consists of stamping their feet like a spoiled baby.
Okay.
I feel sorry for the folks in Virginia if they elect that mistake Terry McAullife.
John Cole is right; California republicans are looney tunes.
I feel sorry for the folks in Virginia if they elect that mistake Terry McAullife.
Guy gives over-wealthy coke-addict douche-bags a bad name.
Dems did a lot of things wrong between 2001 and 2006, but they also did a few things right — DailyKos and Howard Dean most importantly.
What does the GOP having “going right” for them these days? Newt Gingrich?
Repubs need a patch to get over their Bircher talking point addiction
Republican President Bush proposed a $1.6 trillion tax cut for the ultra wealthy when he walked in the front door in 2001 and when he slinked out the back door in 2009 he left a flaming bag of poop on the front porch.
Republican Bush left US with a $1.3 trillion dollar deficit, a DOUBLED US debt, a multi-front war, one of which Bush lied US into, a collapsed global and US financial system, and alienated allies.
But the Dems are stuck with Terry McAuliffe, so maybe that evens things out.
That doesn’t even make any sense. You know what helped Bush to do all he did? The ineffectual leadership of Terry McAuliffe.
LOL,
Just calling a spade a spade. They’re obviously just having a little fun at the Democrat’s expense but what is the complaint from you guys. The video gets it dead right. Obama is pushing us into a mixture of socialism and fascism. Words have specific meanings and both those words accurately describe the direction Obama is trying to lead this country.
In fairness to the Whigs, they were a perfectly good political party that happened to get hosed by the slavery issue. The Federalists, OTOH, found themselves on the wrong side of a demographic shift, and then compounded their troubles with some treasonous secession talk until they finally faded away. Sound familiar?
Socialism and fascism are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.
Please brush up on your piss-poor knowledge of history and politics. Again, I’d be happy to suggest some good books on the subject for beginners like yourself.
Obama is pushing us into a mixture of socialism and fascism.
But wait! Fascism is characterized by extreme nationalism. And Obammy isn’t pushing nationalism, he’s trying to destroy America. Rush tole me so.
Appologies in advance to Polanski, Nicholson, and Dunaway
J: He’s a socialist.
[OW slaps J.]
OW: I said I want the truth.
J: He’s a facist.
[He slaps J again.]
J: He’s a socialist.
[Another slap.]
J: Socialist, fascist.
[Two more slaps.]
OW: I said I want the truth!
J: He’s a socialist and a fascst!…Marx and Mussolini – understand? Or is it too tough for you?
OW: Obama raped you?
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Chinatown_(film)
I’d be happy to suggest some good books on the subject for beginners like yourself.
I suggest you start with the “Dick and Jane” series. Anything more complicated than “See Dick. See Jane.” is likely to make his/her/its head explode.
The ineffectual leadership of Terry McAuliffe.
McAuliffe has always had one big thing going for him which kept him in the DNC and may well win him the Dem nomination in VA: money. The guy wasn’t a good DNC head, and he won’t make a good candidate for governor, much less a good governor, but the sheer number of dollars he managed to bring in obscured all of those shortcomings.
As it is, of course, he’s fighting the last war: the dems can always manage to raise plenty of funds. It’s a shame he never developed any other decent talents.
Obama is pushing us into a mixture of socialism and fascism.
You, sir, are not to be taken seriously.
Oliver: “You know what helped Bush to do all he did? The ineffectual leadership of Terry McAuliffe.”
Which more succinctly and better expresses my poorly made and circuitous point.
I was attempting snark and failed.
I blame Republicans for a long list of things.
But you are exactly right, Dems like Terry McAuliffe helped those Republicans more often than not.
Terry McAuliffe is the worst representatives of the Democratic Party I can think of. Every time I’ve ever seen McAuliffe on TV representing the Democratic Party I got the creeps.
If I were forced to defend either Zell Miller or Terry McAuliffe I could at least say Zell wasn’t afraid of a duel.
Obama is pushing us into a mixture of socialism and fascism. Words have specific meanings and…
…You have no idea what either of them mean.
but what is the complaint from you guys
You want to know what my complaint is, AO? That motherfucking douchebag just called me a Nazi. That weasel-faced Whiny Ass Titty Baby© who supported Bush and his $1.6 trillion tax cut for his neighbors in their gated community just called ME a fucking Nazi.
That’s my complaint.
Socialism,fascism, and capitalism all relate to who controls the means of production, distribution, and labor. Socialism advocates public ownership aand control. Fascim allows industry to be private but commands and controls production etc. Capitalism, the movement Obama is trying to undermine is the private control of production and labor.
Jaim,
Your ignorance is exceeded only by your innocence. Thanks for offering the list of books but I don’t find Howard Zinn to really be all that useful.
Now those boys in the video were mostly having a little fun at your expense but really what can you find fault with about what they are saying. Obama is putting extreme pressure on private companies to sign over portions of ownership and control to the government. He is attempting to leave healthcare private but dictate how and what they do. If it quacks like a duck…
Fascism is corporate control of government. That isn’t what we want. Never has been.
Got too much of that already.
Now those boys in the video were mostly having a little fun at your expense but really what can you find fault with about what they are saying.
He called me a fucking Nazi. Not okay with me. Not “having a little fun at my expense.”
FUCK you.
Amused Observer,
Why is it when ever a con says something stupid, offensives or just down right wrong cons by default start by defending it by saying it was a joke?
Duros,
you are 180 degrees out regarding government control and fascism. LOL the Nazi were socialists, you got a problem with that? The only thing further to the left were the Russians.
Grumpyman,
I said they were having a little humor at your expense. Democrats, perhaps ignorant of history, are embracing the politics and policies of groups that upon closer examination one might think it better to stay away from.
“LOL the Nazi were socialists”
Hitler rose to power, explicitly, as an anti-Bolshevik, an anti-communist, and an anti-socialist, the name of the party notwithstanding. That type of anti-collectivist rhetoric was on his lips until the moments he blew his brains out.
Google Krupps. Google Mercedes. Google any German company that was around during WWII. Yes they were expected to make military equipment, but that would be like saying it was “fascist” to expect GM to make tanks. These companies all made profits during the war. They didn’t make armaments because the government took them over, they made armaments to make money.
To call someone a “fascist-socialist” is a complete oxymoron. You get to pick and choose one for your little tantrums against Obama, and you’d be wrong on either account.
The Wall Street bail-outs began under Bush. So what’s that make him? The original American “fascist-socialist?” Love to hear your answer on that one, sparky. As for the auto industry bail-out, I opposed it myself. But you know who was pushing hardest for that? Auto industry heads and lobbyists. Is is “socialist” of Obama to try and work with American heads of industry? I guess when the POTUS is a Dem (or in your case, black) that makes him a socialist.
Like I said AO, if you’d been in one my high school history classes, I’d have had to flunk you. If you can’t be expected to understand basic tenets of political philosophy and history, expect to be treated like the child (intellectually at least) that you are.
Amused Observer,
I read you response perhaps you can make it a little clearer…
Why is it when ever a con says something stupid, offensives or just down right wrong cons by default start by defending it by saying it was a joke?
Jaim, that ass-kicking was a good read.
“Jaim”: 1
Right winger: 0
see also:
http://google.com/search?q=Krupps+Nazi
http://google.com/search?q=Mercedes+Nazi
http://google.com/search?q=Daimler-Benz+Nazi
http://google.com/search?q=Porsche+Nazi
http://google.com/search?q=BMW+Nazi
Hitler was a right wing corporatists, a “fascist” that merged corporations and state power in ways that vastly enriched corporations and the owners of the corporations.
Many of those corporations and corporate owners enriched themselves through the use of slave labor.
And while Republicans were helping the Nazi regime during the 1930’s and early 1940’s, the Democratic Party was preparing for war.
Right wingers conveniently forget:
The Democratic Party beat the Nazi’s and Imperial Japan to win World War II.
Jaim,
I wish you were employable here in the states. I’d love to take a class from you at a community college just to call bullshit on your liberal dribble.
Socialism and fascim are not on opposite ends of a spectrum but are nestled together on a spectrum with capitalism on the very farthest away end.
Fascism was a word coined by Mussolini for his particular flavor of socialism. Mussolini was a devout socialist who fell out of favor in the days of WW1 when he suddenly decided Italy should side up with England and France. Talk about irony.
He then took his ideas about socialism and went back to the core of Marxism. He felt that captalism was a stage that had to be gone through to get to socialism. Here he differed from Lenin. Lenin thought you could go from basically fuedalism to socialism and skip the messy capitalism. Lenin depended on class warfare for his theories while Mussollini rejected that idea.
Have you even taken the trouble to view the clip that Oliver put up?
Now as for Duros here is an interesting quote;
“We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.”
Adolph Hitler May Day 1927
The majority of commentors here appear to be in favor of socialism, reject the idea of robust liberty, and generally think that the erosion of the idea of a nation ruled by law instead of men is a good think. A pity that.
Amused, there’s a really big reason why Hitler was not a Socialist. To be a socialist, you have to believe that human history is the history of class struggle. No matter what else you may believe, you are not a socialist/marxist/communist if you do not believe that class is at the root of understanding human society and history.
Hitler rejected class and replaced it with race. Hitler adopted a lot of the rhetoric of the Social Democrats as a matter of political expediency: The Social Democrats were on the rise after WWI and Hitler needed to broaden his base. But Hitler hated the Social Democrats, in fact, blaming them for Germany’s loss in WWI. The class-based rhetoric of the quote you cite is part and parcel of Hitler assuming the rhetoric of the socialists without actually adopting any of their policies.
Remember Amused, Hitler didn’t blame Germany’s economic woes on capitalists, in general. He blamed Germany’s economic woes on “Jewish Capitalism.” The Nazis respected private property-unless it was owned by Jews.
Read Richard J. Evans’ The Coming of the Third Reich. You can start from the bottom of page 172:
http://books.google.com/books?id=unXu2Ygk2AgC&dq=the+Coming+of+the+third+reaich+evans&source=gbs_summary_s&cad=0
Anyone who asserts that Hitler was a socialist is notable only for the fact that they have clearly never read a history book.
Oh and while were pulling random quotes from Hitler:
http://www2.dsu.nodak.edu/users/dmeier/Holocaust/hitler.html#N_4_
LOL,
Oliver, you make brash assumptions based on wishes not facts. Your sense of history seems to be almost entirely based on racial resentment. Your more recent post on civil rights and journalism is a perfect example. While perhaps this is understandable, it warps your understanding of this nation, how it came to be and what makes it different.
It is indeed ironic that you embrace the idea of a large federal government that eventually granted your forbearers freedom but reject the concept of liberty.
Perhaps to harbor resentment is only a natural human emotion. But what you fail to grasp is that while personally to you, slavery may seem to be the hub which American history revolves it is only a small part of the nation’s history.
The Civil War on a national level was about much more than slavery although that is the overwhelming factor you learn about in politically correct history books. The compact between the several States was a political comprimise, politics being the art of what is possible.
Many regional differences both cultural and economic were in tension in forming the United States out of the 13 separate former colonies. Amendment 10 is quite indicitive of the relationship between the States and the Federal government.
Back closer to the subject at hand. Your statement along with fafaroo’s regarding Hitler and socialism are rather myopic. Socialism, fascism, and communism are nestled together far left of center. That there is often a blood fued between the factions is indicitive of thier similarities rather than thier differences. They are fighting each other for turf, much more who is going to run the show rather than the show itself.
Your statement along with fafaroo’s regarding Hitler and socialism are rather myopic. Socialism, fascism, and communism are nestled together far left of center…And in support of this statement I will not present a single reference or citation.
Fixed.