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	<title>Comments on: Michael Steele: Gay Marriage Is Bad&#8230; For Small Business</title>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-153001</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 18:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The biggest losers of same-sex marriage under law will be lawyers who now make a lot of money patching over legalities to cover for this obvious inequity.&lt;/i&gt;

Nonsense. They can make up the lost revenue doing gay divorces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The biggest losers of same-sex marriage under law will be lawyers who now make a lot of money patching over legalities to cover for this obvious inequity.</i></p>
<p>Nonsense. They can make up the lost revenue doing gay divorces.</p>
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		<title>By: Dee Galloway</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152930</link>
		<dc:creator>Dee Galloway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 09:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They don&#039;t get any stronger with religion added back in...just stupider and even more cosmologically mythological.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t get any stronger with religion added back in&#8230;just stupider and even more cosmologically mythological.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152849</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 05:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who knew that when the Republican party was looking for a party chairman they would pick the one guy that actually lives up to the mythology around affirmative action?&quot;

Lol. As a white girl, I don&#039;t even want to touch that, but at the same time, I can&#039;t help but notice that Steele was chosen by the RNC and is shut down every time he says anything remotely intelligent about changing the direction of the Party. I didn&#039;t think I&#039;d ever utter these words, but I think they chose him because he&#039;s black. Ouch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who knew that when the Republican party was looking for a party chairman they would pick the one guy that actually lives up to the mythology around affirmative action?&#8221;</p>
<p>Lol. As a white girl, I don&#8217;t even want to touch that, but at the same time, I can&#8217;t help but notice that Steele was chosen by the RNC and is shut down every time he says anything remotely intelligent about changing the direction of the Party. I didn&#8217;t think I&#8217;d ever utter these words, but I think they chose him because he&#8217;s black. Ouch.</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Quaker</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152826</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Quaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 00:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just goes to show how utterly weak the arguments against gay marriage are, once you remove religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just goes to show how utterly weak the arguments against gay marriage are, once you remove religion.</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderJ</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152822</link>
		<dc:creator>SpiderJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 23:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Just like Obama! He and Steele have the exact same position&lt;/i&gt;

Really? Obama&#039;s stated that gay marriage is bad for small business?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Just like Obama! He and Steele have the exact same position</i></p>
<p>Really? Obama&#8217;s stated that gay marriage is bad for small business?</p>
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		<title>By: Thad</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152819</link>
		<dc:creator>Thad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 22:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver: &quot;Who knew that when the Republican party was looking for a party chairman they would pick the one guy that actually lives up to the mythology around affirmative action?&quot;

Hey now, you&#039;re being really unfair to Clarence Thomas.

Parthenon: &quot;Michael Steele: Against all marriage!&quot;

Nah, not Steele; that would be a logically consistent position!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver: &#8220;Who knew that when the Republican party was looking for a party chairman they would pick the one guy that actually lives up to the mythology around affirmative action?&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey now, you&#8217;re being really unfair to Clarence Thomas.</p>
<p>Parthenon: &#8220;Michael Steele: Against all marriage!&#8221;</p>
<p>Nah, not Steele; that would be a logically consistent position!</p>
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		<title>By: ItchyBrother</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152816</link>
		<dc:creator>ItchyBrother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 21:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sg made my point that adding a straight spouse to an insurance policy adds to an employer&#039;s cost as well.

Keith makes the additional point that the net cost to business of insuring Adam and Steve on a family policy will be less than their 2 single policies.

However, if 2 heteros marry, they will be more likely to increase business&#039; risk by breeding dependents.

To me, this argument is similar to the argument that gay marriage is wrong because it doesn&#039;t have the option of children issuing from it.  I take this one (which Steele is not making, but no doubt he would) personally.  My wife and I, both 50-somethings, also married without the possibility of procreation.  So, tell me to my face that our marriage is invalid, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sg made my point that adding a straight spouse to an insurance policy adds to an employer&#8217;s cost as well.</p>
<p>Keith makes the additional point that the net cost to business of insuring Adam and Steve on a family policy will be less than their 2 single policies.</p>
<p>However, if 2 heteros marry, they will be more likely to increase business&#8217; risk by breeding dependents.</p>
<p>To me, this argument is similar to the argument that gay marriage is wrong because it doesn&#8217;t have the option of children issuing from it.  I take this one (which Steele is not making, but no doubt he would) personally.  My wife and I, both 50-somethings, also married without the possibility of procreation.  So, tell me to my face that our marriage is invalid, too.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152799</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 17:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever heard that credo where if someone says, &quot;It&#039;s for the children,&quot; don&#039;t believe it?  I&#039;m starting to wonder the same thing about small business

And, I&#039;m so glad I got married before the gay marriage zeitgheist hit. Our little breeder marriage could in no way compete with the opulence of the marriage of 2 gay men. (I&#039;d hate to think about that bachelor party too)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever heard that credo where if someone says, &#8220;It&#8217;s for the children,&#8221; don&#8217;t believe it?  I&#8217;m starting to wonder the same thing about small business</p>
<p>And, I&#8217;m so glad I got married before the gay marriage zeitgheist hit. Our little breeder marriage could in no way compete with the opulence of the marriage of 2 gay men. (I&#8217;d hate to think about that bachelor party too)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Sniderman</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152789</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Sniderman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as a semi-professional musician - I can attest first hand to the results of that study.

The &quot;wedding industry&quot; is one that is really hurting right now.  I USED to do a lot of weddings (in the early part of the decade I worked literally every Saturday night during the summer playing weddings).  As a trombone player - I&#039;m the first to get cut out of the horn section when the economy gets band.  

The wedding band that kept me so busy 7-8 years ago completely eliminated the trombone.  Last summer I played MAYBE a half-dozen (probably less) weddings...

And another thing to consider.  There are numerous studies show that married people are healthier and live longer.  Steele&#039;s thesis is based entirely on the increase of employer health insurance premiums.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if you look at overall LONG-TERM net costs of funding health insurance - I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if the numbers showed increasing the married population actually decreaed employers&#039; (large and small businesses alike) health care expenses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a semi-professional musician &#8211; I can attest first hand to the results of that study.</p>
<p>The &#8220;wedding industry&#8221; is one that is really hurting right now.  I USED to do a lot of weddings (in the early part of the decade I worked literally every Saturday night during the summer playing weddings).  As a trombone player &#8211; I&#8217;m the first to get cut out of the horn section when the economy gets band.  </p>
<p>The wedding band that kept me so busy 7-8 years ago completely eliminated the trombone.  Last summer I played MAYBE a half-dozen (probably less) weddings&#8230;</p>
<p>And another thing to consider.  There are numerous studies show that married people are healthier and live longer.  Steele&#8217;s thesis is based entirely on the increase of employer health insurance premiums.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if you look at overall LONG-TERM net costs of funding health insurance &#8211; I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if the numbers showed increasing the married population actually decreaed employers&#8217; (large and small businesses alike) health care expenses.</p>
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		<title>By: VanessaNYC</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152784</link>
		<dc:creator>VanessaNYC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod,
You said exactly what I was thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod,<br />
You said exactly what I was thinking.</p>
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		<title>By: News Reference</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152783</link>
		<dc:creator>News Reference</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin / Steele 2012! The path to goper resurgence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin / Steele 2012! The path to goper resurgence!</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152782</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time is seriously running out on Obama&#039;s window to capitalize on the political benefits of overturning DADT. It&#039;s dang near too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time is seriously running out on Obama&#8217;s window to capitalize on the political benefits of overturning DADT. It&#8217;s dang near too late.</p>
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		<title>By: rat_bastard</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152776</link>
		<dc:creator>rat_bastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 13:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Longer SaveFarris: &quot;I have gone a whole five minutes without telling random people on the internet how stupid I am...  I know!  I&#039;ll claim that the democratically elected leader of the free world and the leader of a powerless regional southern party are in the exact same position!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Longer SaveFarris: &#8220;I have gone a whole five minutes without telling random people on the internet how stupid I am&#8230;  I know!  I&#8217;ll claim that the democratically elected leader of the free world and the leader of a powerless regional southern party are in the exact same position!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 10:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jr,

Just like Obama!  He and Steele have the exact same position</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jr,</p>
<p>Just like Obama!  He and Steele have the exact same position</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152760</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 10:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, OW didn&#039;t call Steele a &quot;jig,&quot; but I WILL.  He needs to KMA, STFU, FOAD, and all them other acronyms.  Fuckin&#039; yesterday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, OW didn&#8217;t call Steele a &#8220;jig,&#8221; but I WILL.  He needs to KMA, STFU, FOAD, and all them other acronyms.  Fuckin&#8217; yesterday.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152753</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 05:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce: &lt;i&gt;2) The biggest losers of same-sex marriage under law will be lawyers who now make a lot of money patching over legalities to cover for this obvious inequity.&lt;/I&gt;

Not seeing any problem there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce: <i>2) The biggest losers of same-sex marriage under law will be lawyers who now make a lot of money patching over legalities to cover for this obvious inequity.</i></p>
<p>Not seeing any problem there.</p>
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		<title>By: KeithOK</title>
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		<dc:creator>KeithOK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the health of the small business community depends on maintaining the population of unmarried gays?

If for example, Adam marries Steve, this would increase the costs on small business.  Of course if Adam straightened out and married Eve, that would also increase the cost to small business.  The best hope for small business is that Adam remains unmarried, and the best hope for that is for Adam to be gay and not be allowed to marry Steve.

So when do we see the Chamber of Commerce begin its gay recruitment drive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the health of the small business community depends on maintaining the population of unmarried gays?</p>
<p>If for example, Adam marries Steve, this would increase the costs on small business.  Of course if Adam straightened out and married Eve, that would also increase the cost to small business.  The best hope for small business is that Adam remains unmarried, and the best hope for that is for Adam to be gay and not be allowed to marry Steve.</p>
<p>So when do we see the Chamber of Commerce begin its gay recruitment drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 02:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, you&#039;re kidding about &quot;the jig is up,&quot; right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, you&#8217;re kidding about &#8220;the jig is up,&#8221; right?</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/05/16/michael-steele-gay-marriage-is-bad-for-small-business/#comment-152741</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 00:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steele&#039;s is correct if he means that denying gays their civil liberties could save some businesses money. But they could save more by denying black people the right to marry too, couldn&#039;t they? It&#039;s exactly the same argument, just with a different groups being discriminated against. 

Hey, here&#039;s another argument in the same vein: slavery should never have been abolished. Look how much it now costs to employ black people and actually pay them. If saving money is a good enough reason to deny gays their rights, why not blacks too? 

Any comment, Michael?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steele&#8217;s is correct if he means that denying gays their civil liberties could save some businesses money. But they could save more by denying black people the right to marry too, couldn&#8217;t they? It&#8217;s exactly the same argument, just with a different groups being discriminated against. </p>
<p>Hey, here&#8217;s another argument in the same vein: slavery should never have been abolished. Look how much it now costs to employ black people and actually pay them. If saving money is a good enough reason to deny gays their rights, why not blacks too? </p>
<p>Any comment, Michael?</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 23:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another repub that wants gays to be 3/5ths of a person</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another repub that wants gays to be 3/5ths of a person</p>
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