’)Pat Buchanan and the Minutemen just reached for more of their heartburn medicine…
More of the 3,142 counties in the United States are becoming majority-minority, meaning more than 50 percent of their population is made up of people other than single-race, non-Hispanic whites, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
waaaah for them that hates the brown and black people. My heart bleeds.
Awesome. My biggest complaint about Canada is the lack of ethnic diversity. I would rather live in a country were there was no majority ethnicity.
Billo will blame “NBC News” for this
Example #2456 why the GOP is fucked long-term. By 2032, 27% of the population will be non-Christian and 25% will be straight up non-White Christian.
Only 26% will be White Traditional (Catholic/Mainline Protestant) and 22% will be White Evanglical
I’d be willing to bet the GOP won’t exist in 2023. Honestly, it can’t given the demographics.
We’ll have The Jesus Party and a whole lot of libertarians and Rockefeller Republicans who grudgingly vote Dem or don’t vote at all.
I think what’s entirely possible is that the GOP will implode and keep their rump seats in the South, the libretarians, Constitutionalists, and a whole bunch of others will swipe some of their seats and eventually, the DNC will split on truly “social democratic” and “Democratic” lines and that will be the true Presidential battle every year. The GOP will be like LePen’s party in France. They get twenty percent and nobody cares about them.
That’s probably wishful thinking. America’s just never been more than a two-party thing. At some point the GOP will come back, likely at a point in history where the Democratic president – Obama – has done such a good job of things that people figure what the heck, why not try a Republican. Like what happened in 1999-2000. If I were a GOP strategery guy I’d cut my losses with the extreme of the extreme base – the christcons and borderclosers and try to finally make some inroads from a libertarian position and outreach to socially moderate to conservative blacks and hispanics.
“If I were a GOP strategery guy I’d cut my losses with the extreme of the extreme base – the christcons and borderclosers and try to finally make some inroads from a libertarian position and outreach to socially moderate to conservative blacks and hispanics.”
No you wouldn’t. If you were a GOP Strategy Guy, you would be paid by the ‘christcons’ and ‘borderclosers’ to blow smoke up their asses telling them how it was the moderates who costs them in 2008.
Using the term “majority-minority” should have made the author’s head explode, though.
Only 26% will be White Traditional (Catholic/Mainline Protestant) and 22% will be White Evanglical
There’s that number again!
LOOK A SQUIRREL!
Given this trend it is likely that zionism will become a problem.
i.e. extreme groups like the KKK and Neo-Nazis will have a numbers boost which will then cause the rise of other extremist groups who historically oppose them. More then likely culminating into all out civil war
-worst case scenario
But chances are you will have those same anti-immigrant fools complaining.
And honestly it is not like we actually pay them much attention anymore.
That’s probably wishful thinking. America’s just never been more than a two-party thing.
It always shakes out that way, sure, but there’s no reason to assume that the GOP will be one of those parties. I’m sure the Whigs also thought they were rock-solid until the Republicans started making gains.
A more interesting question is not what happens to the Republican party but what happens to the country given the projected demographics.
Amused Observer: “A more interesting question is not what happens to the Republican party but what happens to the country given the projected demographics.”
It’s only more interesting if you are racist, which you are.
If the Republican Party hollows out enough, I can see minority conservatives and Rockefeller Republicans forming an alliance around more tightfisted money policy and supporting small/medium business interests and a more faith-based approach to solving social problems. The christocons simply don’t have enough money to keep the party going by themselves.
The implications for the Presidency is profound. California is already gone, Florida is slipping out of their reach, the Midwest is bluing. The only states that are solidly and reliably Republican aren’t enough to get to the White House. In that scenario, only a very moderate Republican even has a chance to win, and with the radicals throwing out the moderates, it would take either a genious with charisma or a horrible Dem to win the Presidency for the party.
So I expect a long line of Democrats until the Republicans hollow out and get taken over by moderates again, or until a new Conservative party forms.
I want AO to answer his own rhetorical question, if AO has the spine to do so.
This is still arguably the most prosperous nation on earth. We live off the bounty of the accomplishments of the generations before us. A nation founded upon the premise of the rule of law not men. A nation founded upon the concept of individual freedom and liberty. NOw that staement is going to gall many of the commentors here but what of it? Yes, we had slavery here. It was a common condition going back thousands of years and that still exists today. But due to the efforts of the Brits and finally here in the US it no longer exists in most of the civilized world.
The concept of the melting pot coupled with the American concept of upward mobility shaped a culture inherited from the British and turned it into to something quite different. Living conditions, good, bad, or indifferent are an expression of the culture that dominates a geographic area.
Demographics can overwhelm an existing culture as has happened many times in the past. So can the heavy hand of government. As we slide towards socialism and an increase in the welfare state we are very much at risk of losing the individual liberty that was the very premise of founding this nation.
The most important resource a nation can have in this globalized world we find ourselves in are smart people. We were quite fortunate that for many years we had a raw continent to draw people of ambition here to try and make a place for themselves. That is still happening today but it happens under very different conditions.
It will shape the nation much more than it will shape the Republican party. Is the browning of America going to lead to a culture that respects the rule of law and rewards ambition and embraces liberty or is it going to lead to a culture that does not?
That is the primary question and nobody knows the answer. Are we going to get people who will work hard to better themselves or are we going to get people who expect the government to provide for them. Answer that and you will have a good idea where the nation will head.
It was said long ago there is a lot of ruin in a nation. We may find out.
SpiderJ: “I want AO to answer his own rhetorical question, if AO has the spine to do so.”
He won’t. He’s racist and a coward, which is why he finds such comfort in the GOP platform.
Shorter AO:
Umm, actually, never mind, I can’t even touch that without getting the racism on me.
Wow. He actually answered the question. And it was just as racist as I thought it would be.
The Southern Strategy at work, ladies and gentlemen.
Strowbridge,
What pray tell is racist about my questions and observations? Are you under the impression that culture is impervious to demographics or that all cultures in the world yield similar outcomes? We have created an extremely prosperous nation, far more than what you did in Canada. But as the fine print says past performance does not guarantee future performance.
Our prosperity is based on the rule of law, of secure property rights, and hard work. Our Constitution was a work of singular genius that was responsible for making this nation different.
I would like to see you and Crusty Dem show me the racism or point out what is not true of what I have written but I doubt you’ve the intellectual horsepower to pull it off.
Crusty Dem: I can’t even touch that without getting the racism on me.
CSS: And it was just as racist as I thought it would be.
Oh, please. I do decleah, Crusty and CSS are gettin’ themselves the vapors!
Amused Observer: “What pray tell is racist about my questions and observations?”
That somehow having less people will mean American will no longer be based on…
“…the rule of law, of secure property rights, and hard work.”
That’s incredibly fucking racist. But you are so racist you can’t even recognize that.
LOL Strowbridge,
What are you talking about “having less people”
Refute the points you disagree with, don’t mindlessly play the racist card.
Vapours indeed, I don’t think you’ve understood a word I’ve written. But then why should you? Most of us don’t understand the finer points and minutia of Canada. Why should we expect you to understand anything about our nation. We have different history and values. We overthrew British rule and created our own nation built upon individual liberty, you didn’t.
“Are we going to get people who will work hard to better themselves or are we going to get people who expect the government to provide for them.”
The first and second generation immigrants to America that I’ve known and worked with have been some of the hardest working, law-abiding folks you could imagine. Mexicans, Koreans, Africans, etc.
The laziest people I’ve known? Mostly middle and upper-middle class white Americans who blame their own failures on made-up racist bugaboos.
We’re a nation of immigrants. Always have been since 1776. It’s a pity some of us are to filled with racial hatred to understand that America’s best days are ahead, not in the past.
As for your comment about America being a nation of laws, not of men, that’s funny as hell considering how deeply you supported the Cheney administration re: illegal wire-taps, and illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq, and the violation of Constitutional rights of detained American citizens.
So yeah, America is definitely headed in the right direct now Amused Observer. And when your sorry ass kicks the can, we’ll be that much better off.
Amused Observer: “LOL Strowbridge,
What are you talking about ‘having less people’”
Oops.
That should be, ‘having less white people’
“Refute the points you disagree with, don’t mindlessly play the racist card.”
As I said, if you insert the missing word there, having less white people will have no effect on, “…the rule of law, of secure property rights, and hard work.”
To even ask whether it will is absolutely racist.
I would like to see you and Crusty Dem show me the racism or point out what is not true of what I have written but I doubt you’ve the intellectual horsepower to pull it off.
No one writing the feces you write should taunt over intellectual horsepower. To wit:
Rational much? I didn’t think so. I’ll skip the next 4 similarly incoherent paragraphs and go to the key ones:
It will shape the nation much more than it will shape the Republican party. Is the browning of America going to lead to a culture that respects the rule of law and rewards ambition and embraces liberty or is it going to lead to a culture that does not?
That is the primary question and nobody knows the answer. Are we going to get people who will work hard to better themselves or are we going to get people who expect the government to provide for them. Answer that and you will have a good idea where the nation will head.
This is fucking racist, the whole “will the brown people destroy our culture” is bullshit. Guess what, genius, our culture isn’t static. As you might have pointed out above, had you any ability to develop and maintain a coherent thought, is that at one point slavery was an accepted standard throughout most of the United States. Our vaunted “individual freedom and liberty” you fear will gall us all was so precious that people were allowed to own other people.
The demographics change and those in the upper class always bitch and moan about the dirty, dirty immigrants and peasants rutting around and reproducing so much they’ll take over. Whether it’s the damn Dutch, the dirty Irish, the Germans, the Mexicans, the blacks, etc, it’s always the same and it’s always bullshit. Sometimes it gets cleaned up a bit, but it’s always the same racist, classist, stupid garbage.
To reiterate, the key assumption is that the threat to our culture, status, and well being is all the brown people (or getting the brown people on board with what we whiteys want), which is not only racist but remarkably obtuse. The point being made originally is that changing demographics mean the GOP is likely screwed, but you’ve turned it on it’s head and are claiming increased number of brown people are a threat to the welfare of the country. If you and Sean don’t get that these assumptions are some pretty fucked up repugnant shit, well, I can’t say I’m really surprised, but it demonstrates a pretty solid lack of awareness.
Jaime,
“And when your sorry ass kicks the can, we’ll be that much better off”
A liberal would call that hate speach, anyone else would call it the braying of a jackass.
We are indeed a nation of immigrants building upon a framework created by Englishmen. We were formed as the antithesis of Europe and have done quite well with that as a model.
I generally supported the previous administration. The war in Iraq was not illegal and you are exposing your ignorance by claiming that it was.
I’ve read your blog your last letter to the editor was a bit deceptive was it not? Your own admission is that you could’t get a decent job in America. My son taught English in China. A different country so perhaps conditions are different. But his experiences give much credence to the point of view expressed by the columnist you refuted in your letter. My son quit working for the school that hired him and set up shop on his own as a tutor. It was several times more lucrative than his previous arrangement.
The laziest people I have met are second or third generation welfare recipients.
Wow. It’s nice to know that racist assholes like you and Dennis are two of my regular readers.
And by nice I mean it’s fucking creepy.
Demographics are shifting not just in America, but around the globe. The future will indeed be far less lily-white than 100 years ago. But it’s weird that you’d try and slur non-white Americans as being lazy (you would’ve fit right in with the KKK back in the 1950’s) when in fact they’re some of the hardest workers I’ve ever met or worked with. Generalizations can only take us so far, but I worked for a boss who was more than happy to hire “F.O.B.’s” of any complexion since their work ethic tended to be stronger than so-called “real, white” Americans, many of whom won’t even consider working the “dirty jobs” that pay less than they feel the are entitled to. YMMV.
As for the “framework” of our country, you left out dirty Frenchmen like Rousseau and Voltaire, who were a huge influence on Jefferson and others, Locke, Hume, and Hobbes notwithstanding.
And just what is a third-generation welfare recipient? It took a Democratic president to reform welfare, and it doesn’t work like that any more.
Hey Crusty Dem,
You don’t get it, we don’t know how changing demographics will change our culture. The melting pot and individual liberty were important keys to assimilating many differing peoples into the anglo saxon framework established here. Identity politics and a growing welfare state sliding towards socialism are different dynamics that most likely will change the dominent culture that has created the accomplishments that give us our prosperity today. I don’t know what change will happen and either do you.
It is not racist to note that cultures in the past have been overwhelmed by rapid demographic change. Perhaps not politically correct but PC has very little bearing on the truth.
Different nations have had differing outcomes, perhaps you’ve noticed that through history. That is quite often a reflection of the dominent culture and it’s values. It is a legitimate question whether both the politics as was suggested by several commentators and the culture itself will change. If the culture changes it is not unlikely that outcomes may change.
I claimed that our national greatness and prosperity were built upon a framework of Anglo Saxon culture modified by the previously unheard of idea of a government that ruled by the consent of the people based on individual liberty and freedom. A nation based on the rule of law and secure property rights.
Most of your ranting is utter bullshit. Slavery was quite common for thousands and thousand of years. It’s not an strictly black thing, the very word slave originally meant a white person. It was not the moral outrage you make it out to be in the context of the times. And you give no credit that first the British and then we ended the practice which dated back thousands and thousands of years.
I’m fairly sure Sean is not on board with where I’m going I think he was merely commenting on your kneejerk hissy fits.
AO: “You don’t get it…”
No. We get it. You are a fucking racist asshole, also known as the Republican base.
You are worried that having fewer white people will mean American won’t be as hard working as it is now. The only way that is true is if brown people don’t work as hard as white people. That is 100% racist. The fact that you don’t think it is racist, just shows how incredibly racist you are.
AO: “I claimed that our national greatness and prosperity were built upon a framework of Anglo Saxon culture modified by the previously unheard of idea of a government that ruled by the consent of the people based on individual liberty and freedom.”
The United States wasn’t the first democracy, you uneducated dipshit.
Jesus, you are really determined to prove tonight that you are the GOP base, aren’t you?
Jaime,
Again your ignorance cripples your comments. French philosophers were certainly part of the intellectual firmament of the time. Voltaire’s ideas were a much better fit for this nation especially his defense of freedom of speach. Rousseau on the other hand was quite hostile to the concept of private property.
Yet all of that French philosophy pales in comparison to the framework of British common law which in turn owes a debt to the concepts of the early Norski vikings. So study your hisory, brush up on your english and practice your reading comprehension skills and then get back to me.
It is amusing to note that all of my english teachers had a much better command of the language than you do. Perhaps it was a typo, you might want to revisit your first post and go over the rules about the proper use of the word too. Just what was your master’s degree in?
Your reading comprehension skills need work. I have been discussing different cultures and thier differing outcomes. My premise is that the prosperous nation we have today rests upon the accomplishments of previous generations who were shaped by the dominent culture of the nation. While no one would dispute that many Mexicans are damn hard workers, the culture that spawned them has on the whole been much less successful in building a prosperous nation based on the premise of individual liberty, the rule of law, and the sanctity of property.
A third generation welfare recipient would be one whose mother and grandmother were both on welfare. It was a Republican Congress that crammed welfare down Clintons throat. It hasn’t disappeared, it just doesn’t last forever any more.
AO, maybe if you actually knew or worked with some of these non-Anglo-Saxons, you’d realize that they’ve come to America not to change the place, but to embrace the very same values of freedom and, of course, personal wealth creation.
Societies decline for a number of reasons, but mere diversity isn’t one of them.
And further, the reason Obama got his stimulus bill wasn’t because of a desire for government spending in and of itself, it’s because eight years of Republican economics absolutely freakin’ destroyed our economy. Only you and 20% of Americans truly believe that four more years of GOP stewardship of the economy would have sent us in the right direction.
“So study your hisory[sic], brush up on your english[sic] and practice your reading comprehension skills and then get back to me.”
You learn how to spell and properly capitalize first.
“Rousseau on the other hand was quite hostile to the concept of private property.”
Absolutely, positively wrong. He critiques the notion when discussing the state of nature, but works like The Social Contract were required reading for the Founding Fathers (along with Locke obviously, who had a much different view of pre-societal individuals).
Honestly, if you don’t understand how the French philosophes influenced the American Revolution, you need to go back to eighth grade. I mentioned that they were influential in the way Locke and Hobbes were, but no single nation can claim Democracy as its sole intellectual property. And as mentioned, France was a (failed) Democracy before America was, but it was a Democracy nonetheless.
There’s a reason Jefferson was a Francophile himself, as was Ben Franklin (and not only because he lived there).
I’d be happy to compare our educational backgrounds if you’d like. Feel free to e-mail me through my blog, which you seem to love reading so much. Thanks again for the traffic. I’d be happy to suggest some intro-level works on American history for you.
“the culture that spawned them has on the whole been much less successful in building a prosperous nation based on the premise of individual liberty, the rule of law, and the sanctity of property”
Sorry, can’t resist responding to this. So when a poor Mexican comes to America and works his or her ass off to make it, they’re still tainted by their brown skin. But when poor Irish, Dutch, Germans, and Scots came here and worked hard to make it, they were somehow magically integrated into — what exactly? Unlike you, my ideal of America is based on whether a person is willing to work hard to achieve goals in a fair and public-minded way. You’re the one who will thankfully take your racist poison to the grave with you. Younger Americans simply don’t see the world that way any longer, thank God.
(And before you try and come back over the top with more racist mythology about how “Europeans” can get along but Mexicans can’t, please read a little bit about the ethnic tensions between Irish and Italian Catholics and German and Dutch Protestants going back to the 18th century.)
It is not racist to note that cultures in the past have been overwhelmed by rapid demographic change. Perhaps not politically correct but PC has very little bearing on the truth.
It is not only racist but incredibly naive to assert that Anglo Saxon culture is the pinnacle achievement of the human race. Not to mention stupid, since many of the immigrants of earlier generations were decidedly not Anglo Saxon. But they were white, weren’t they. So that’s okay, then.
And you give no credit that first the British and then we ended the practice which dated back thousands and thousands of years.
Um…
Abolition of slavery
1588 Japan
1772 England
1777 Portugal
1804 Haiti
1811 Spain
1813 Argentina
1814 Netherlands
1822 Greece
1823 Chile
1829 Mexico
1831 Bolivia
1846 Tunisia
1847 Sweden
1848 Denmark
1854 Peru
1854 Venuzuela
1863 United States
Whole lotta brown and non-anglo saxonness between the Brits and us, ain’t there AO?
Parthenon: “Whole lotta brown and non-anglo saxonness between the Brits and us, ain’t there AO?”
Ignorance and racism walks hand-in-hand.
AO – On the one hand, sorry I missed the fireworks that erupted in this thread after you called me on my challenge.
On the other hand, yes. You are what I thought you were.
Nice job fellas. You’re helping to demonstrate the true definition of a “racist” on this post: “Anyone who is winning an argument with a liberal”
So when a poor Mexican comes to America and works his or her ass off to make it, they’re still tainted by their brown skin. But when poor Irish, Dutch, Germans, and Scots came here and worked hard to make it, they were somehow magically integrated into — what exactly?
Jaim, you ignorant slut.
The difference you’re ignoring is that earlier immigrants made a real effort to assimilate into American society. How many second generation immigrants do you know who were forced by their parents to learn to proficiently speak, read and write English (even though the parents didn’t) so that they could be successful? I personally know several. And they weren’t the only ones. In contrast, immigrants today make little effort for the most part. Here in California, you have second and third generation immigrants whose primary language is still not English. Nearly one-third of California’s elementary school students and one-quarter of all K–12 students speak a language other than English at home and are not proficient in English. And while total enrollment in California schools has increased by 50% over the last two decades, the number of limited English proficiency students has risen by 300%.
Never mind. I know facts are hard. Just denounce me as a racist and move on.
Riiiiight. The whole “we can survive if brown people can become like white people, rather than destroying our culture”-thing is just good old anti-PC conservative thinking. No hint of racism there.
More seriously, AO can’t win an argument until he can construct one. AO accuses us all of having reading comprehension problems? Perhaps he should hold off on criticism until he can formulate a coherent sentence, let alone a paragraph.
Amused Observer: “A more interesting question is not what happens to the Republican party but what happens to the country given the projected demographics.”
Life will go on without you.
We’re a nation of immigrants. Always have been since
1620.
FTFY.
Our vaunted “individual freedom and liberty” …was so precious that people were allowed to own other people.
Irony much?
And I know several second-generation immigrants who exclusively spoke languages other than English at home and are now doctors, scientists, entrepreneurs, etc. Language can be a factor, and if you never learn English at all it’s a problem, but language spoken at home doesn’t define success or failure.
I find your argument thoroughly unconvincing, not racist. But you’re not making the same idiotic assumptions AO was, are you?
Whatevs Dave in Socal. I’d be happy to take you on a tour through neighborhoods in New York, Chicago, DC, or any major American city, where ethnic enclaves of Europeans don’t speak English so good. I could also take you to the other parts of town, and smaller towns if you like, where the second and third generations of non “Anglo-Saxon” immigrants are happily studying hard, getting scholarships to Harvard and Yale, and basically winning at life in a way that you never will.
And that’s fine with me.
But please, keep reminding all of us how you’re on the wrong side of history. Yet again.
Of course, due to the Republican Recession, they might have thought twice about moving to the States when places like Canada are looking better in terms of long-term opportunity.
LOL,
You boys are too hysterical, There is a hint for you Jaim on proper use of the word too. None of you can get past your pc blinders to do anything but shriek like little girls.
Parthenon,
I won’t quible with your list, I assume you googled it. But the Brits were the first to put teeth into thier opinion when they outlawed the movement of slaves over the water and backed it up with thier gunboats. I’m relying on memory not google but I believe that they started the blockade of West Africa somewhere just before our little arguement of 1812. As you said a whole lotta brown and non anglo between them and us but damn few gunboats.
Southern Quaker,
Like it or not this country, politically speaking, was founded primarily by Anglo Saxons. We (primarily subjects of England, of English stock,) overthrew the power of the king and established our own nation based upon the premise of individual liberty not the divine right of kings. Our Constitution was framed primarily by Anglo Saxons. Sure there were other europeons in North America at that time and subsequent waves of immigration but that has little bearing upon the foundation of these United States.
Jaim, you miss the point entirely in your post of 7:49.
When you compare what the Mexicans have accomplished in North America with what we and Canada have accomplished the results are striking. Same continent, roughly same time frame, different cultures with different values, different outcomes. So what was that Masters degree in? Accreditation does not always indicate education or knowlege. Yours seems not up to providing you a way to make a living in your native land. As I said earlier my boy taught English in an asian land I am not completely unaware of just what that entails.
On the subject of slavery I notice a whole lot more condemnation of the United States for ending slavery 175 years ago than against current practioners. Seems a little wierd.
Crusty Dem,
I suppose I could help the comprehension/coherence issue that troubles you by using smaller words or maybe bullet lists. I suspect however that nothing can help a hardcore progressive liberal understand the world as it is rather than as you wish it to be.
“As I said earlier my boy taught English in an asian[sic] land I am not completely unaware of just what that entails.”
You still haven’t e-mailed me your CV or resume. I’m content to think I’m doing much better than him until I’m proved otherwise.
You keep bringing up bullshit claims to authority, and I’ll be happy to refute them.
You and your backwards ideology die with you no matter what. We all do. But mine are directed towards the future, and they don’t entail fantasies about “Anglo Saxon culture” and “Asian lands.”
But again, thanks for reading my blog. I appreciate the traffic.
We (primarily subjects of England, of English stock,) overthrew the power of the king and established our own nation based upon the premise of individual liberty not the divine right of kings.
Which is why the Quakers had it soooo good in Massachusetts.
Read up on something past 5th grade history, oh amused one. A relatively small percentage of the original “Pilgrims” were actually fleeing religious persecution. The Puritans, (a minority even on their own ships in point of fact) were fleeing those dastardly Dutch and their open, liberal society. So they came to American and promptly started stockading and eventually hanging Quakers, “witches,” and other ne’er-do-wells.
Don’t even get started on the Huguenots.
Dave in SoCal: “Nice job fellas. You’re helping to demonstrate the true definition of a ‘racist’ on this post: ‘Anyone who is winning an argument with a liberal’”
Someone here won an argument against a liberal? Who and when?
BTW, AO, if you will notice, people of color are even more flag-waving than so-called Anglo-Saxons who have never known what it’s like to not be free, not have equality, not have what it takes.
We non-Anglo Saxons work very very hard in the jobs that keep society going at pay that you scorn. We go into the Army and Navy at rates that shame you.
The welfare recipients you see are the results of outsourcing jobs first to the suburbs, then to China. What are the people in inner city supposed to do if they can’t get the jobs that are available because they are three counties over (that is when they exist at all). Yet people get up and go to work anyway, not always every day-many work seasonal jobs or temp jobs or contract jobs that last for the length of a project.
Awwww… did that racist asshole run away from this debate?