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	<title>Comments on: In Case You Missed It: Glenn Beck Calls For Secession</title>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaim: &lt;i&gt;I lurve it when red-staters talk tough about secession. Once they’re cut off from the Federal teat, seeing as how most of these take far more per capita from Federal coffers than they put in, most of them would be begging to reunite with the durty blue states.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m reminded of a debate scene in an episode of &lt;i&gt;The West Wing&lt;/i&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Gov. Ritchie of Florida:&lt;/b&gt; My view of this is simple: we don&#039;t need a Federal Department of Education telling us our children have to learn Esperanto, they have to learn Eskimo poetry. Let the states decide, let the communities decide on health care, on education, on lower taxes, not higher taxes. ... What [Bartlet] doesn&#039;t like is the federal government losing power. But I call it the ingenuity of the American people.
&lt;b&gt;Moderator:&lt;/b&gt; President Bartlet, you have 60 seconds for a question and an answer.
&lt;b&gt;Bartlet:&lt;/b&gt; ... There are times when we&#039;re fifty states and there are times when we&#039;re one country, and have national needs. And the way I know this is that Florida didn&#039;t fight Germany in World War II or establish civil rights. You think states should do the governing wall-to-wall. That&#039;s a perfectly valid opinion. &lt;b&gt;But your state of Florida got $12.6 billion in federal money last year&lt;/b&gt; - from Nebraskans, and Virginians, and New Yorkers, and Alaskans, with their Eskimo poetry. 12.6 out of a state budget of $50 billion. Now, I&#039;m supposed to be using this time for a question, so here it is: &lt;b&gt;Can we have it back, please?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now, at least in FY2005, Texas got only &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.taxfoundation.org/press/show/22659.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;94 cents back for each $1 paid in taxes&lt;/a&gt;, so it may be good from their view to leave the union.  But in general, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/617&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; red states have gotten more money than blues&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaim: <i>I lurve it when red-staters talk tough about secession. Once they’re cut off from the Federal teat, seeing as how most of these take far more per capita from Federal coffers than they put in, most of them would be begging to reunite with the durty blue states.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of a debate scene in an episode of <i>The West Wing</i>:<br />
<blockquote><b>Gov. Ritchie of Florida:</b> My view of this is simple: we don&#8217;t need a Federal Department of Education telling us our children have to learn Esperanto, they have to learn Eskimo poetry. Let the states decide, let the communities decide on health care, on education, on lower taxes, not higher taxes. &#8230; What [Bartlet] doesn&#8217;t like is the federal government losing power. But I call it the ingenuity of the American people.<br />
<b>Moderator:</b> President Bartlet, you have 60 seconds for a question and an answer.<br />
<b>Bartlet:</b> &#8230; There are times when we&#8217;re fifty states and there are times when we&#8217;re one country, and have national needs. And the way I know this is that Florida didn&#8217;t fight Germany in World War II or establish civil rights. You think states should do the governing wall-to-wall. That&#8217;s a perfectly valid opinion. <b>But your state of Florida got $12.6 billion in federal money last year</b> &#8211; from Nebraskans, and Virginians, and New Yorkers, and Alaskans, with their Eskimo poetry. 12.6 out of a state budget of $50 billion. Now, I&#8217;m supposed to be using this time for a question, so here it is: <b>Can we have it back, please?</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Now, at least in FY2005, Texas got only <a href="http://www.taxfoundation.org/press/show/22659.html" rel="nofollow">94 cents back for each $1 paid in taxes</a>, so it may be good from their view to leave the union.  But in general, <a href="http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/analysis/617" rel="nofollow"> red states have gotten more money than blues</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/04/14/in-case-you-missed-it-glenn-beck-calls-for-secession/#comment-148796</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do states even exist in the same sense that they did when the Constitution was first ratified?&lt;/i&gt;

In almost every sense, no, not really. The rhetoric has changed from &#039;these United States&#039; to &#039;the United States.&#039; States no longer coin their own money. People think of themselves as Americans first, whereas in the 18th and part of the 19th centuries they identified with their state first. For better or worse, they&#039;ve been dying a slow death as political entities since the Civil War.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do states even exist in the same sense that they did when the Constitution was first ratified?</i></p>
<p>In almost every sense, no, not really. The rhetoric has changed from &#8216;these United States&#8217; to &#8216;the United States.&#8217; States no longer coin their own money. People think of themselves as Americans first, whereas in the 18th and part of the 19th centuries they identified with their state first. For better or worse, they&#8217;ve been dying a slow death as political entities since the Civil War.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the craziness aside, it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; an interesting subject. In practical terms, &quot;states&quot; aren&#039;t what they were in 1789. The Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments radically changed the redrew the boundaries between the states and the federal government.

Do states even exist in the same sense that they did when the Constitution was first ratified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the craziness aside, it <em>is</em> an interesting subject. In practical terms, &#8220;states&#8221; aren&#8217;t what they were in 1789. The Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments radically changed the redrew the boundaries between the states and the federal government.</p>
<p>Do states even exist in the same sense that they did when the Constitution was first ratified?</p>
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		<title>By: GLV</title>
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		<dc:creator>GLV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s 1:48 long. Just tell me at what point he does so.&quot;

With 19 seconds remaining, he says &quot;it&#039;s about time somebody says that again.&quot;  It&#039;s a plain as day, Jay; he doesn&#039;t even try to hide it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s 1:48 long. Just tell me at what point he does so.&#8221;</p>
<p>With 19 seconds remaining, he says &#8220;it&#8217;s about time somebody says that again.&#8221;  It&#8217;s a plain as day, Jay; he doesn&#8217;t even try to hide it.</p>
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		<title>By: Boronx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boronx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any 6th grader who&#039;s read the constitution could tell you that secession is not legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any 6th grader who&#8217;s read the constitution could tell you that secession is not legal.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/04/14/in-case-you-missed-it-glenn-beck-calls-for-secession/#comment-148764</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drove through Tx for 12 LONG hours.

Buh Bye!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drove through Tx for 12 LONG hours.</p>
<p>Buh Bye!</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/04/14/in-case-you-missed-it-glenn-beck-calls-for-secession/#comment-148756</link>
		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more Texas Medical Center, no more Houston Ship Channel, no more Johnson Space Center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more Texas Medical Center, no more Houston Ship Channel, no more Johnson Space Center.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;8 No more Federal Marshalls, Federal Penitentiaries nor Federal Judges.
&lt;/i&gt;

You forgot one.

9 No more border patrols. Tear down the border fences, that was a federal program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>8 No more Federal Marshalls, Federal Penitentiaries nor Federal Judges.<br />
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<p>You forgot one.</p>
<p>9 No more border patrols. Tear down the border fences, that was a federal program.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck, my state WAS technically an independent country for a bit during the XIXth Century - our flag still says CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC. We wouldn&#039;t even have to get a new one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck, my state WAS technically an independent country for a bit during the XIXth Century &#8211; our flag still says CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC. We wouldn&#8217;t even have to get a new one.</p>
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		<title>By: TroyJMorris</title>
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		<dc:creator>TroyJMorris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Let the South go. They take all our tax dollars.

2) for the last 6 years, I wanted my state to succeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Let the South go. They take all our tax dollars.</p>
<p>2) for the last 6 years, I wanted my state to succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpymann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpymann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lived in Tx for 2 LONG years. 

Buh Bye!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lived in Tx for 2 LONG years. </p>
<p>Buh Bye!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fecke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Fecke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh noes! Glenn Beck wants to secede! Don&#039;t do it, Glenn! How will America get by without you?

Gee, I sure hope you don&#039;t take Malkin and Reynolds and Hannity with you to a modern-day Galt&#039;s Gulch. How will the rest of us get along without your genius? Please, please don&#039;t go! And for sure, don&#039;t take Lou Dobbs along, too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh noes! Glenn Beck wants to secede! Don&#8217;t do it, Glenn! How will America get by without you?</p>
<p>Gee, I sure hope you don&#8217;t take Malkin and Reynolds and Hannity with you to a modern-day Galt&#8217;s Gulch. How will the rest of us get along without your genius? Please, please don&#8217;t go! And for sure, don&#8217;t take Lou Dobbs along, too!</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m starting to think Jay would defend gangrene if Oliver wrote a post against it.</description>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Where EXACTLY does Beck “call for secession”?&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe a better question is why, exactly, Beck DOESN&#039;T call directly for secession.

He seems to believe that it&#039;s an option. Indeed, he seems to think it&#039;s a viable option. A heroic, Davy Corckett-esque option. An option that would have been acceptable to the Founders. 

So Jay, why, exactly, doesn&#039;t Beck call for secession from the United States? Why is he not advocating that states take up this legitimate, indeed, courageous option and leave the union?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Where EXACTLY does Beck “call for secession”?</i></p>
<p>Maybe a better question is why, exactly, Beck DOESN&#8217;T call directly for secession.</p>
<p>He seems to believe that it&#8217;s an option. Indeed, he seems to think it&#8217;s a viable option. A heroic, Davy Corckett-esque option. An option that would have been acceptable to the Founders. </p>
<p>So Jay, why, exactly, doesn&#8217;t Beck call for secession from the United States? Why is he not advocating that states take up this legitimate, indeed, courageous option and leave the union?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 05:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You can&#039;t convince me that the founding fathers wouldn&#039;t allow for you to secede.&quot; The call for secession is as clear as day, and only folks who had spent the last 8 years defending the indefensible would laughably claim that the statement wasn&#039;t made.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You can&#8217;t convince me that the founding fathers wouldn&#8217;t allow for you to secede.&#8221; The call for secession is as clear as day, and only folks who had spent the last 8 years defending the indefensible would laughably claim that the statement wasn&#8217;t made.</p>
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		<title>By: sgwhiteinfla</title>
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		<dc:creator>sgwhiteinfla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say let em go.

1. No more Homeland Security or ICE to round up their illegals

2. No air traffic controllers so they can&#039;t fly

3. No more NASA 

4. No more defense contracts

5. No more federal assistance for natural disasters

6. Nobody born in Texas can be President so Perry can suck it.

7. No more Medicare, or Social Security for their elderly

8  No more Federal Marshalls, Federal Penitentiaries nor Federal Judges.

Good luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say let em go.</p>
<p>1. No more Homeland Security or ICE to round up their illegals</p>
<p>2. No air traffic controllers so they can&#8217;t fly</p>
<p>3. No more NASA </p>
<p>4. No more defense contracts</p>
<p>5. No more federal assistance for natural disasters</p>
<p>6. Nobody born in Texas can be President so Perry can suck it.</p>
<p>7. No more Medicare, or Social Security for their elderly</p>
<p>8  No more Federal Marshalls, Federal Penitentiaries nor Federal Judges.</p>
<p>Good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Rheinhard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rheinhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we complaining about the idea of Texas seceding?  Getting rid of the &quot;National Laboratory for bad Government&quot; would be one of the best things that this nation could do!  Texas, get a move on already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we complaining about the idea of Texas seceding?  Getting rid of the &#8220;National Laboratory for bad Government&#8221; would be one of the best things that this nation could do!  Texas, get a move on already!</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lurve it when red-staters talk tough about secession.  Once they&#039;re cut off from the Federal teat, seeing as how most of these take far more per capita from Federal coffers than they put in, most of them would be begging to reunite with the durty blue states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lurve it when red-staters talk tough about secession.  Once they&#8217;re cut off from the Federal teat, seeing as how most of these take far more per capita from Federal coffers than they put in, most of them would be begging to reunite with the durty blue states.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 04:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. What I heard was Beck discussing the legality of secession (which, despite the Civil War has actually never been decided upon and no Texas v White did not settle the matter). 

Where EXACTLY does Beck &quot;call for secession&quot;? It should be simple. It&#039;s 1:48 long. Just tell me at what point he does so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. What I heard was Beck discussing the legality of secession (which, despite the Civil War has actually never been decided upon and no Texas v White did not settle the matter). </p>
<p>Where EXACTLY does Beck &#8220;call for secession&#8221;? It should be simple. It&#8217;s 1:48 long. Just tell me at what point he does so.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is what happens when you set the Crazy Bar so high.</description>
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