’)Folks, this is the mainstream of the conservative movement, not some fringe nut in his or her compound with a shortwave radio and a stock of provisions.
And of course, as Abraham Lincoln could tell you, no secession is not a viable constitutional option. Idiot.
OW: And of course, as Abraham Lincoln could tell you,
Remind me. Which party did he belong to?
“I want my viewers to kill law enforcement and the military so I don’t have to pay 3 percent more in income tax”-multi-millionaire Glenn Beck
Beck: “… And I can never get out?”
Sure you can, Glenn. LOTS of other countries you can move to.
As I recall, Lincoln was one of the Log Cabin Republicans …
This was a real debate at the time he’s discussing. Washington and Hamilton won. Jefferson and Madison lost, resoundingly, and ran their administrations as quasi-Federalists. 80 years later the strong central govt. advocates won again.
Your side’s battin’ .000, Glenn, but hey, be my guest.
This is what happens when you set the Crazy Bar so high.
Interesting. What I heard was Beck discussing the legality of secession (which, despite the Civil War has actually never been decided upon and no Texas v White did not settle the matter).
Where EXACTLY does Beck “call for secession”? It should be simple. It’s 1:48 long. Just tell me at what point he does so.
I lurve it when red-staters talk tough about secession. Once they’re cut off from the Federal teat, seeing as how most of these take far more per capita from Federal coffers than they put in, most of them would be begging to reunite with the durty blue states.
Why are we complaining about the idea of Texas seceding? Getting rid of the “National Laboratory for bad Government” would be one of the best things that this nation could do! Texas, get a move on already!
I say let em go.
1. No more Homeland Security or ICE to round up their illegals
2. No air traffic controllers so they can’t fly
3. No more NASA
4. No more defense contracts
5. No more federal assistance for natural disasters
6. Nobody born in Texas can be President so Perry can suck it.
7. No more Medicare, or Social Security for their elderly
8 No more Federal Marshalls, Federal Penitentiaries nor Federal Judges.
Good luck with that.
“You can’t convince me that the founding fathers wouldn’t allow for you to secede.” The call for secession is as clear as day, and only folks who had spent the last 8 years defending the indefensible would laughably claim that the statement wasn’t made.
Where EXACTLY does Beck “call for secession”?
Maybe a better question is why, exactly, Beck DOESN’T call directly for secession.
He seems to believe that it’s an option. Indeed, he seems to think it’s a viable option. A heroic, Davy Corckett-esque option. An option that would have been acceptable to the Founders.
So Jay, why, exactly, doesn’t Beck call for secession from the United States? Why is he not advocating that states take up this legitimate, indeed, courageous option and leave the union?
I’m starting to think Jay would defend gangrene if Oliver wrote a post against it.
Oh noes! Glenn Beck wants to secede! Don’t do it, Glenn! How will America get by without you?
Gee, I sure hope you don’t take Malkin and Reynolds and Hannity with you to a modern-day Galt’s Gulch. How will the rest of us get along without your genius? Please, please don’t go! And for sure, don’t take Lou Dobbs along, too!
Lived in Tx for 2 LONG years.
Buh Bye!
1) Let the South go. They take all our tax dollars.
2) for the last 6 years, I wanted my state to succeed.
Heck, my state WAS technically an independent country for a bit during the XIXth Century – our flag still says CALIFORNIA REPUBLIC. We wouldn’t even have to get a new one.
8 No more Federal Marshalls, Federal Penitentiaries nor Federal Judges.
You forgot one.
9 No more border patrols. Tear down the border fences, that was a federal program.
No more Texas Medical Center, no more Houston Ship Channel, no more Johnson Space Center.
Drove through Tx for 12 LONG hours.
Buh Bye!
Any 6th grader who’s read the constitution could tell you that secession is not legal.
“It’s 1:48 long. Just tell me at what point he does so.”
With 19 seconds remaining, he says “it’s about time somebody says that again.” It’s a plain as day, Jay; he doesn’t even try to hide it.
All the craziness aside, it is an interesting subject. In practical terms, “states” aren’t what they were in 1789. The Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments radically changed the redrew the boundaries between the states and the federal government.
Do states even exist in the same sense that they did when the Constitution was first ratified?
Do states even exist in the same sense that they did when the Constitution was first ratified?
In almost every sense, no, not really. The rhetoric has changed from ‘these United States’ to ‘the United States.’ States no longer coin their own money. People think of themselves as Americans first, whereas in the 18th and part of the 19th centuries they identified with their state first. For better or worse, they’ve been dying a slow death as political entities since the Civil War.
Jaim: I lurve it when red-staters talk tough about secession. Once they’re cut off from the Federal teat, seeing as how most of these take far more per capita from Federal coffers than they put in, most of them would be begging to reunite with the durty blue states.
I’m reminded of a debate scene in an episode of The West Wing:
Now, at least in FY2005, Texas got only 94 cents back for each $1 paid in taxes, so it may be good from their view to leave the union. But in general, red states have gotten more money than blues.