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April 7th, 2009
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Oliver Willis
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Can’t you see it? Those troops just hate him.
They love him because they’re uneducated. John Kerry told me so.
“You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
“thos aren’t real servicemen and women those are actors”-Michele Bachmann
20 minutes later, he served them a plastic turkey.
Steno, do you see Mr. Kerry in any of these photos?
Shorter Steno: If by some miracle you had any doubt before, I got nothin’. Hell, I got less than nothin’. I’ve bent space in on itself, I got so little.
They love him because they’re uneducated. John Kerry told me so.
What do Sean Penn, Barbara Streisand, George Soros, and other irrelevant boogeymen nobody listens to have to say?
So freaking cool; how can anyone not love this guy.
SaveFarris; It’s better than the plastic rationales that got them there in the first place.
OT, I was just Wiki-ing the Laffer Curve just out of curiosity. Found this bit quite interesting:
The Laffer Curve was first introduced by a MUSLIM!!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!
Duros, that is the biggest collection of awesome I’ll see today.
steno — he was talking about Bush, not about soldiers. Bush was stupid, and that’s how we got stuck in Iraq.
Reminds me of Ron Silver’s (in)famous “those are OUR planes now” quote.
Does this mean Oliver will become a Republican in 2020?
Leave it to an idiot wingnut to bring up Kerry. They just cannot let go can they?
Look at the reception Obama is getting from our troops. That’s a wonderful sight.
Oliver will become a Republican in 2020
Well, there’s always the slight possibility I could suffer a massive brain injury in the next 11 years. Then it would happen.
It’s nice to see a President not dressed up in a fucking Village People costume all of the time.
Notice the lack of a fake uniform jacket?
Well, there’s always the slight possibility I could suffer a massive brain injury in the next 11 years. Then it would happen.
Or if Jessica Alba asks you to. =)
Steno:” They love him because they’re uneducated. John Kerry told me so.
John Kerry certainly told the troops that Bush was uneducated, and you were kind enough to supply the quote, but I don’t understand how that affects how they feel about Obama. Or does John Kerry tell you things he doesn’t say in public?
Come on people…can’t you see it? It’s obvious all these soldiers were forced at gunpoint to sign loyalty oaths (and in the fine print, submit to abortions as well as being forced to become gay).
IT’S CLEAR AS DAY!!!!!
SaveFarris: “Oliver will become a Republican in 2020″
Oliver Willis: “Well, there’s always the slight possibility I could suffer a massive brain injury in the next 11 years. Then it would happen.”
Or the Republicans could return to the party of Lincoln. Support equality and tolerance. Understand government has a role in shaping society. Understand that businesses run without restrictions inevitably become corrupt and work only for those at the top. Understand that the separation of church and state is there to protect both the church and the state.
Of course at this rate the massive head injury is more likely.
Phony Soldiers!
An infinitude of win.
Notice how Obama doesn’t need a plastic turkey to make people like him.
Notice too that unlike chimpy, Obama doesn’t need to be elevated above the troops. In fact, quite the opposite, as the last photo demonstrates. He’s not perfect, but he has nothing but class. Virtually the antiBush.
The cheering of Obama is very, very reminiscent (but not QUITE as enthusiastic, to my ears) as the greeting given to President Bush when he showed up by surprise for Thanksgiving, 2003. Those men and women just EXPLODED when Bush was announced and walked out.
The lesson to be learned: our troops are NOT representative of average Americans.
They are representative of the best of us, and are far, far classier than most of us.
Sometimes, I think we don’t deserve them and their service.
J.
“but not QUITE as enthusiastic, to my ears”
Says the chickenhawk who’s never served.
Come back when you have a point, Jaim.
(That could take a while…)
J.
My point is that you have no first-hand experience with the military. I agree that they deserve our thanks, but you have no leg to stand on when it comes to “judging” the military’s response to a presidential visit.
That’s my point. Oh, and that you’re a chickenhawk. That too.
I don’t see how it takes any particular military experience to observe two different incidents and judge the volume of the response… but if you want to argue that it’s roughly equivalent, I can live with that. It doesn’t change my point one whit — it’s still a testimony to the classiness of those who have volunteered to serve, above and beyond that of “average” Americans.
Too bad you can’t look past your knee-jerk, instinctive need to contradict and insult me and actually address the points…
J.
I think that the day Obama became the Army’s favorite politician was when he was still a senator and made a visit to Iraq to speak to the troops in an Army gym. While he was there, he took off his jacket, stretched a little, then picked up a basketball and drained a trey on one try. The place exploded, and it wasn’t phony.
The odds were against his making the shot. Even a good basketball player hits no better than 50% from that range. By attempting it he risked failure in public, something Bush and most other politicians would never permit themselves to do. It’s a subtle but important difference, and one reason why Bush comes across as a phony and Obama doesn’t. Bush would not allow an uncontrolled outcome.
it’s still a testimony to the classiness of those who have volunteered to serve, above and beyond that of “average” Americans.
Thanks for pointing out that I am “classier” than you are!
The only Americans who should be compelled to serve are those who thought that invading Iraq was a good idea — for someone else to accomplish. Everyone else is off the hook.
Those far past military age, or infirm, should give some of their time helping the returning wounded. If they advocated *elective* war, they need to share in it.
Even though neither of my parents served in the military during WW II, they gave up their jobs and built Liberty Ships, because everyone shared the sacrifice. In modern America, we (I mean YOU, JT) ask others to sacrifice and not to disturb us with news from the front.
Repack — re your first comment:
An interesting theory. I think you’re reading far too much into that one instance, but it’s interesting. I’m no jock, but I don’t think missing a single basket is much of a “risk,” though. I’d read it more as a “he’s kind of like us” moment than a “he’s willing to look bad” gesture.
Re your second comment:
Utterly pointless. Petty bullshit. The “yellow elephant”/”chickenhawk” argument has been utterly destroyed repeatedly.
Here’s one point: it reduces the argument from the merits of the topic to the merits of the arguer. Whether or not we should have invaded Iraq does NOT depend on who makes the argument. Reality is NOT that subjective.
If I were a quadruple amputee, with three Medals of Honor, seventeen Purple Hearts, Silver Stars and Bronze Stars up the wazoo, and a service record that covered every war and conflict from the Spanish-American War to the Iraq War, would that change a single thing about my arguments?
No, it wouldn’t. The whole “yellow elephant”/”chickenhawk” argument is chickenshit. It just gives assholes like you an excuse to personalize the argument. You find it easier to attack the arguer, to shut them up, than to refute what they have to say. It’s laziness wrapped in dishonesty, garnished with a dash of scumbaggery.
J.
According to Wiki, chickenhawk = “a politician, bureaucrat, or commentator who strongly supports a war or other military action, yet who actively avoided military service when of draft age.”
Now who also fits in that category? How about our own Barack Obama?
By libtard logic we now have us a chickenhawk president.
The Teleprompter-in-Chief seems perfectly willing to not only support more troops in Afghanistan, but to actually order them there, despite having never spent a single day in uniform.
And yes, ed and Jaim, I did serve (USAF, 1982-1986). How about yourselves? Douchebags.
The “yellow elephant”/”chickenhawk” argument has been utterly destroyed repeatedly.
I must have missed that. Refresh me.
it reduces the argument from the merits of the topic to the merits of the arguer.
It seems obvious that one should always factor in the expertise of the person advocating a position. If Paul Krugman says something about economics, his Nobel Prize confers a lot of authority. It doesn’t make him right, but it sure increases the odds that he is.
If I were a quadruple amputee, with three Medals of Honor, seventeen Purple Hearts, Silver Stars and Bronze Stars up the wazoo, and a service record that covered every war and conflict from the Spanish-American War to the Iraq War, would that change a single thing about my arguments?
If, on the other hand, you were a strawman, attempting to speak with authority through fictional heroism, would THAT? How OLD are you? Do not ever take up the practice of law. You don’t do “coherent argument” very well.
It just gives assholes like you an excuse to personalize the argument.
Let me remind you that even though I am an “asshole” in your opinion, you have already conceded that as an Army veteran (E-5) I am “classier” than a warmongering coward like yourself. So where on the social scale does that leave you?
You find it easier to attack the arguer, to shut them up, than to refute what they have to say. It’s laziness wrapped in dishonesty, garnished with a dash of scumbaggery.
The incisive logic of this statement, devoid of personal attack and focused like a laser beam on the logic and merits of your case…
Wait.
Repack, I never said it was an absolute rule, just a good guideline. Might I remind you that Barack Obama and Bill Clinton (who actively avoided military service, and not just didn’t choose to not serve) defeated, between them, three genuine war heroes? And I’ll bet they did so with your full support.
Further, other veterans who served honorably include Timothy McVeigh, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Ted Kennedy. Need I say more?
Finally, I almost never use and almost always reject arguing from authority. It’s almost always a shortcut for laziness — “I’m an expert, so I don’t have to prove what I have to say.” I’ve done it exactly once here, and only then because it was absolutely germane to the discussion.
I am a three time Iraq Veteran.A Corporal in the Marine Corps. If I were in country and Barack Obama showed his face I would make it a point to express my disgust with he and his other lib sheep. They beleive freedom was not fought for but was given. That works well seeing most libs….. Well all libs want things given to them. We servicemen and women do the work day in and out to protect our freedoms and our Constitution. That of which the new powers in office wish to destroy with social policies and a belief that you can negotiate with those such as the N. Koreans, Iranians, and the Russians to name a few. Obama and the libs in office are the new evil.Those who voted for him all deserve to be somewhere OCONUS away from their families to see the way all of these other countries treat their citizens and maybe realize we too will be that way unless their reign of newfound tyrany is supressed. They should also realize that with great power comes great responsibility and even though the intelligence reports in Iraq were flawed, there were still decades of genocide from the old Iraqi regime. Libs scream about the genocige in Rwanda yet we should have overlooked Iraq?Undoubtedly Saddam would have been seeking these WMDs as other terrorist countries are now doing. Those who do not wish to fight to retain their freedoms are destined for servitude. In a way, the first black president and his sheep are slowly enslaving us citizens of the greatest country in the world. No I am not republican. I am however of the same mindset as our framers of this great Republic. If you are in the military and support Obama you should be ashamed. We shall take back our freedoms currently being suppressed by this administration and we shall bring Democracy to those who ask for it.