As I’ve said in the past: Until the church is subject to a full RICO-style investigation of its serial crime, justice will not be served.
As early as the mid-1950s, decades before the clergy sexual-abuse crisis broke publicly across the U.S. Catholic landscape, the founder of a religious order that dealt regularly with priest sex abusers was so convinced of their inability to change that he searched for an island to purchase with the intent of using it as a place to isolate such offenders, according to documents recently obtained by NCR.Fr. Gerald Fitzgerald, founder of the Servants of the Paracletes, an order established in 1947 to deal with problem priests, wrote regularly to bishops in the United States and to Vatican officials, including the pope, of his opinion that many sexual abusers in the priesthood should be laicized immediately.
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A group that harbors known child rapists doesn’t want Obama to speak at Notre Dame.
What a pack of creeps.
You have to wonder, regardless of one’s religious beliefs, how anyone can say with a straight face that they belong to an organization led by a former member of the Hitler Youth and his childscrewing minions. How many thousands of kids does it have to be before it isn’t just a coincidence?
A group that harbors known child rapists doesn’t want Obama to speak at Notre Dame.
What a pack of creeps. Jaim Galt
Why would Barack Obama care to speak before such a group, then, Jaim?
If you had the convictions of your own beliefs, a folly of a supposition if there ever was one, you’d be against him speaking there, too.
Wait, Obama’s speaking before a group of rapist defenders at Notre Dame? I thought he was addressing the graduating students.
Do you have a link for this?
I knew this shit. That’s why it makes me beyond angry when the pope blames the fact that his minions rape children on modern society. I’d bet good money that this goes back not just decades but centuries.
I just noticed reventative used the word “minions” too.
Wait, Obama’s speaking before a group of rapist defenders at Notre Dame? I thought he was addressing the graduating students.–Ted Rall Disciple
Not just graduating students will be in attendance. Even if the students were the only ones there, a significant percentage of them belong to the very same ‘group’ Jaim is talking about.
Oh, that’s interesting. A (Democratic) politician is responsible for all the crimes of everyone who is in the crowd at his speeches. Anyone want to shine that Ultraviolet light on Bush crowds? Probably be a lot of domestic terrorists I would think.
Well, this was nausea-inducing.
Dennis, so you’re not saying all catholics are child-rapists. Not just the clergy?
A (Democratic) politician is responsible for all the crimes of everyone who is in the crowd at his speeches. Unenlightened Lib
Not quite what I said by even the most liberal of extensions, UL. But why don’t you make the same wild analogies with Jaim’s idiotic statement?
Because if you did, they wouldn’t make any sense either. According to Jaim, no Catholic clergyman should have the grounds to make any kind of value judgment.
He thinks he’s highlighted the ultimate hypocrisy when in reality he’s exposed only his own.
no Catholic clergyman should have the grounds to make any kind of value judgment.
A Catholic clergyman that refuses to speak out against the horrific abuse of power and trust in his church does not deserve to offer value judgments on others.
I seem to recall some sort of statement about speck, motes, and eyes that came from a higher authority than the Pope.
It’s none of your damn business, Oliver. Don’t you see? As long as the serial child rapist enablers privately confess their multitude of sins, then it’s cool, that’s all the justice that’s necessary. The Church can resume lecturing people on Morality and adding to its insanely vast fortune. Oh, and buggering little kids, can’t forget that.
What a horrible outfit.
And just because it’s always awesome:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184097&title=Bristol-Palin%27s-Choice
I’m not Catholic so I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I wonder if the same furor would be taking place if it was the Baptist Church of Presbyterian Church?
Oh, and please don’t start yelling and screaming about me trivializing this or me not caring!
Joaquin,
I would think people would have the same furor, except in the South. Yikes do people not care for Catholics here! I was raised Catholic but I don’t defend these creeps.
Even if the students were the only ones there, a significant percentage of them belong to the very same ‘group’ Jaim is talking about.
How do you know this? Did you forget to post a link or something? What percentage is “significant?”
You have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?
I’m a Southern Presbyterian, I don’t like child molesters.
no Catholic clergyman should have the grounds to make any kind of value judgment.
I agree with this statement.
I don’t like child molesters.
This one too.
How do you know this? Did you forget to post a link or something? What percentage is “significant?”
You have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?–Ted Rall, Jr.
“More than 80% of the Notre Dame student body is Roman Catholic, Pollack. I consider that a “significant” percentage, yes.
Do you have any idea what you’re talking about? Not that your profession requires it.
Just to be a contrarian, I’ll defend Catholics (I’m not Catholic).
Catholics are different than the Catholic Church. Most, if not all of the Church’s membership, are appalled at what’s been done by the Church’s leadership.
As can be said of any large group of people, there are a lot of good Catholics. Most are genuinely concerned about children’s welfare and have expressed their outrage in many forums. I’ve read Catholic outrage and listened and watched Catholics express their anger on radio and television. From what I understand, many have left the faith and even some have lost their faith.
But shaking a person of their faith, despite repeatedly being shown evidence of horrific crimes done by those acting in the name of that faith, isn’t as straightforward as one would think. (See: Republicans, War Crimes).
Looking past the crimes of the leadership, the vast majority of the membership wasn’t in any way responsible for what happened. But they’re still going to pay. The scope of the crimes have rightfully made the lawsuits massive in response.
Keep in mind that remarkable numbers of Catholic adherents are very progressive people. When I say “progressive” Catholic, I mean it. The Church, despite some very malignant failings, teaches concern for the poor, the homeless, the least amongst us, and vigorously supports it’s rhetoric with action.
Also, and correct me if I’m wrong, the Church accepts evolution and encourages rigorous education. And because of the Church’s early failures in recognizing science, it is now better at accepting science than many other notable religions.
The Church also seems to have a consistent position on murder. They are against abortion AND the death penalty.
……. on the other hand …….
Aren’t the five right wing Supreme Court Justices all Catholics? How is it that they are against abortions and yet not the death penalty?
Considering there have been several high profile Catholic leaders that made stinks about voting for pro-choice candidates why haven’t those same Catholic leaders taken issue with Catholic politicians that vote in support of the death penalty? Why hasn’t the Catholic leadership taken on the same consistent position with the five right wing Catholic Supreme Court Justices that vote for the death penalty?
……. ……. …….
That aside, while the Catholic leadership has made some high profile noise against Democratic leaders, many Catholic Church members vote for/ Democratic leaders. And many excellent Democratic leaders have been Catholics.
But then any true Christian knows that Christ was a liberal.
Catholics, you’re all right in general. You probably didn’t know about this. Catholic Church, fuck off, seriously. You have no business managing a hotdog cart, let alone anyone’s spirituality.
Joaquin,
The main difference, AFAIK, is that the Catholic Church has a highly centralized, authoritarian structure. A Presbyterian minister who molested children would have to deal with local or regional authorities; there’s no Presbyterian or Baptist equivalent to the College of Cardinals or Pope. The offending priests were routinely shuffled off to different parishes, dioceses, etc., to make those aware of the problem think that the priest was out of circulation or make it more difficult for them to track the problem. If if WAS brought to the attention of civil authorities (e.g., the police) the bishop could truthfully say, “Father X has been sent away for counseling/reassigned to adult ministry/etc” and it would become somebody else’s problem.
The meme that ‘people only care about this because everybody loves to hate the Catholic Church’ is more than a little mendacious, IMNSHO. Also, the whole celibate priesthood thing has complicated matters; I’ll leave that issue to your imaginations.
FWIW, I’m a former altar boy, who was NEVER molested or fiddled with in any capacity, although I do remember one old-school Irish priest (actually from Ireland) who got very testy whenever I’d walk in on him and the younger altar boys. I got the impression he thought I was a little old to be serving in that capacity (I was thirteen).
I always wondered why so many degenerate, homosexual pedophiles invaded the Catholic church to begin with? Why didn’t they just join NAMBLA for god’s sake.
I’m not Catholic so I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I wonder if the same furor would be taking place if it was the Baptist Church of Presbyterian Church?
I’m dumbfounded by this question. Why would the furor be less if it were a different church? Why should the furor be less?
The anger should be comparable even if this wasn’t a church involved. If the Boy Scouts of America protected and hid child molesters in their employ we should be angry. If the Red Cross protected and hid child molesters we should be angry. Being angry about these sorts of actions is what decent human beings do.
“More than 80% of the Notre Dame student body is Roman Catholic, Pollack. I consider that a “significant” percentage, yes.
So you think every student at Notre Dame who is Catholic is protesting Obama’s visit? Where did you read this? What website could have possibly said that?
How do you make sure bizarre and illogical assumptions like this? How is saying how many Notre Dame students are Catholic an answer to the question?
My contention is that ’sins’ within the Catholic Church are magnified more so than other religions.
Are there more pedophiles in the Catholic Church than other churches? No. Yet one would think that the Catholic Church is degenerate central.
I guess they are just an easy mark.
Are there more pedophiles in the Catholic Church than other churches? No.
I demand to see your research.
The whole point is that there may be disproportionately more pedophiles in the Catholic Church, because the Catholic Church has an instituted policy of protecting and retaining its pedophiles.
Actually the only other religion that I can think of that has had molestation as a frequent practice would be those quasi Mormon cult in Texas, and they got hit pretty hard. Of course they did not have a vast worldwide organization to conceal their brand of child rape with so they got caught faster.
Of course, as the old joke goes, the Presbyterians would have to form a committee first.
“I demand to see your research.”
Yeah, sure, SpiderJ I’ll drop everything I’m doing and get right on it…………………………
Well, the way it usually works is, you do the research BEFORE baldly stating an assertion. Or, you precede it with ‘I think.’
Yeah, I thought as much, joaquin.
I know, it’s so much easier to drop everything you’re doing to make shit up instead.
Catholic priests hate abortion because it limits the pool of kids they can diddle
How many other religions have a vow of celibacy?
Of course, as the old joke goes, the Presbyterians would have to form a committee first.
And forget about the Lutherans.
Apparently there are enough new folk coming through Willis’s site that though don’t know “joaquin” is a lunatic right wing troll without any evidence to back up any of the incendiary things he/she says.
“Research” is about as useful to him/her as “facts” and “evidence” and “truth.”
He/she just regurgitates whatever the filling in their tooth is telling them to at any one point of time.
Some of the right wingers that show up can at least back up their nonsense with something. “joaquin” has nothing.
(For the record, I’m aware that joaquin behaves this way. I still consider it important to call him on his shit.)
This is laughable. I said:
“Are there more pedophiles in the Catholic Church than other churches? No. Yet one would think that the Catholic Church is degenerate central.
I guess they are just an easy mark”
And with that said, all the girls here get their panties in a wad, call me an incendiary troll, and demand, YES DEMAND, I do research on the incidence of pedophiles in the Catholic church.
I thought the church was an easy mark, but you girls roll over like $5 hookers?
Man, those females sure are a bunch of prissy hyperemotional drama queens, aren’t they Joaquin? Can I get in on your ‘No girls allowed’ treehouse club?
Hey Joaquin you fucking moron, how many other churches have protection from justice as standard operating procedure for dealing with pedophiles? When the Baptists go out of their way to protect pedophiles then you have a basis of comparison until then a Catholic priest who touches kids is noteworthy because he’s got a billion strong organization protecting him from justice every time he rapes a kid.
And it all started with this simple post at 10:18
I’m not Catholic so I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I wonder if the same furor would be taking place if it was the Baptist Church of Presbyterian Church?
Oh, and please don’t start yelling and screaming about me trivializing this or me not caring!
Actually, I demanded that you show me the research you already did that allows you to state with certainty that there are as many pedophiles in the Catholic Church as there are in other churches. That is, I don’t just want research on incidences in the Catholic Church, I want research on incidences in all the other churches to which you were referring.
You did none. You simply made shit up, and now you’re getting all huffy because you got called on it. Grow up.
JoQueen is a perfect example of a right winger: hateful, misogynistic, stupid, touchy, and childish.
Without him/her the Republican Party wouldn’t survive.
He/she’s the Republican’s core base: not quite as smart as Samuel Wurzlebacher (the unqualified plumber) but much easier for the Republicans to manipulate because he/she’s not interested in knowing the truth or doing “research” (a liberal notion, apparently).
Decent, smart Republicans are embarrassed by his/her type.
But the predatory right wing love his/her type. He/she gets people all riled up. It’s an emotional response that works in Republican’s favor because when people think things through and do their research they always vote against the right wingers.
JoQueen likes to pick fights online because in a bar he/she’d be laughed (or worse). Likely his/her sexuality would be questioned. Clearly he/she’s conflicted.
JoQueen, please understand that the while your he/she status is reviled by the right wing, there are many on the left wing that accept your he/she status.
It’s understood you were born as a he/she. It’s ok. Accept yourself the way you are and it will be easier for others to accept your he/she status.
I thought we all agreed to shun him?
News Reference: JoQueen is a perfect example of a right winger: hateful, misogynistic, stupid, touchy, and childish.
Indeed. But when did that turn into questioning his/her sexuality?
joaquin is an idiot and deserves to be ignored. No need to stoop to his/her misogynistic level.
Actually, I demanded that you show me the research you already did that allows you to state with certainty that there are as many pedophiles in the Catholic Church as there are in other churches…. –Spider J
Instead of telling joaquin to grow up, Spider, why don’t you pretend you’re a mature person and go do the research yourself. That’s all you’d ever be satisfied with anyway. Why not validate yourself instead of weakly trying to invalidate others because you disagree with their overall viewpoint?
I’m thinking that all this unhinged derangement is due to Obama being out of the country. Don’t worry, he’ll be back in a couple of days…………………………..minus an ipod
JoQueen, please understand that the while your he/she status is reviled by the right wing, there are many on the left wing that accept your he/she status. News Reference
Wow. Just wow. Forget asking you for any evidence whatsoever backing any of your weird contentions- you couldn’t- but obviously you exclude yourself among the group on the left wing that accepts anyone of transgender orientation, News Reference. Otherwise, why do you use it as a club? An obviously made-up one at that.
It’s you that is the far better example of left-wingers than joaquin is of a right-winger.
Instead of telling joaquin to grow up, Spider, why don’t you pretend you’re a mature person and go do the research yourself.
Because, Dennis, I’m not the one who made the unfounded claim that there are as many pedophiles in other churches as there are in the Catholic Church.
My God, this is the sort of thing you’re supposed to learn writing a five-paragraph junior high essay. If you present an argument as fact, it is your job to back it up.
There’s a difference between “questioning his/her sexuality” and supporting and accepting his/her’s questions about their own sexuality.
Keep in mind that JoQueen went from defending (through distraction) Catholic priests that have done very, very evil things and then from there he/she added:
“all the girls here get their panties in a wad” … “you girls roll over like $5 hookers?”
Clearly he/she’s got some VERY serious conflicts and would be a much healthier person if they confronted that part of themselves they’ve repressed.
He/she’s defense of abusers (by conflating them with other religious groups that have no similar track record) is really, really far down the rabbit hole.
Right winger’s defending abusers (even if it’s just by throwing up sand) is part of a systemic sickness on the right. It’s the same vein that defended torture and other types of sadism.
What’s particularly troubling about Jo is that they are trying to muddy the concerns about a particularly twisted type abuse.
SpiderJ – You obviously needed a reason to release anger and I’m it.
Good! I hope you feel better.
It’s the same vein that defended torture and other types of sadism.
And racist assholes like Rush Limbaugh and Lee Atwater. The Catholic Church and the modern Republican party, charming organizations.
So…if you enjoy trolling, why make such a fuss when people call you a troll? Be out and proud.
Oh, and News Reference, for someone that hides behind a handle like that, you certainly have a lot of nerve to even try to psychoanalyze anyone.;-)
I gotta tell you, for entertainment value, you just can’t beat this place.
I’m not the one who made the unfounded claim that there are as many pedophiles in other churches as there are in the Catholic Church. Spider J
How do you know that claim is unfounded, SpiderJ? Do you have research to back that up? I mean, you’re not the teacher here grading papers, are you? Everyone states their opinions on a blog and it would be sad if everyone had to place an ‘IMHO’ at the end of every contention, no? IMHO, anyway.
Okay, Dennis. Understood. We have a new paradigm. I’m sure this will be fun, if not productive.
By the way, Dennis, how much do you enjoy dressing up as a French maid while sodomizing sheep and watching Facts of Life reruns in your spare time? This claim is totally factual! I say so! It is your responsibility to prove that you do not do these things! Fa fa fa!
News Reference: Clearly he/she’s got some VERY serious conflicts and would be a much healthier person if they confronted that part of themselves they’ve repressed.
Wow. You could tell all that from the comment he made? You’re a psychologist, therapist or some such that you’re able to discern that (and “clearly”, no less)?
Anyone find it ironic that on a thread where joaquin is being criticized for making a blanket statement with no shred of anything to back it up that someone then criticizes him with a blanket statement with nothing to back it up?
Again, there is a lot to legitimately criticize joaquin for. Stooping to ridiculous attacks on j’s sexuality really does nothing but show you’re not that different.
SpiderJ-
I’m used to those kinds of claims against me here. But you NEVER jump in to ask Mister ed or Strowbridge to back them up for some reason. You know they can’t, they’re just doing it for the jollies.
That’s my point in all this. You overlook the wild contentions from the liberal posters. I can only assume that you’re either agreeing, accepting or condoning those when you only call out statements made by people you disagree with politically. Wouldn’t your junior high teachers take exception to that as well?
Dennis: How do you know that claim is unfounded, SpiderJ? Do you have research to back that up?
Oh, come on, Dennis. You’re reading comprehension skills are better than that. Several folks have already made this clear: joaquin made a claim which has been questioned. The burden is on him to provide support for it. It is not up to others to prove it isn’t true.
“Dennis was once suspected of being one of the child molesters.” There, the burden in on you to prove that isn’t true. Ridiculous, right?
Denis: I’m used to those kinds of claims against me here. But you NEVER jump in to ask Mister ed or Strowbridge to back them up for some reason. You know they can’t, they’re just doing it for the jollies.
That’s my point in all this. You overlook the wild contentions from the liberal posters. I can only assume that you’re either agreeing, accepting or condoning those when you only call out statements made by people you disagree with politically. Wouldn’t your junior high teachers take exception to that as well?
So why don’t you question the statements of Mr ed or CSS or anyone else you see as talking bullshit?
– It’s more fun to complain than to do something?
– Someone else should always have to do the work, not me?
– Rather than raise the standards for the other side I want to lower the standards for mine?
Sean-
I do question Mister ed’s and Strowbridge’s statements. Really, been there done that. I’ve asked them both to cite any examples of racism by me several times and neither of them ever have. Nor has anyone backed me up on it either. Not complaining, that’s just the way it is on OliverWillis.com. And asking those two nutcases anything always starts the same usual, mundane flame war.
Dennis: always starts the same usual, mundane flame war.
With Strowbridge? No idea what you’re talkin’ about.
Okay, so as I understand it, Dennis, it’s my job to (a) disprove every wild statement joaquin says that I disagree with and (b) disprove everything somebody says about you.
I’m so so sorry that you jumped onto a blog that is unabashedly, unapologetically liberal and found that you had few allies to back you up. I’m sorry that you feel my mere existence on this blog means I have to back you up.
I thought your side was all about “personal responsibility.”
By the by, I’ve been here long enough to have backed a few conservative posters against what I saw as unfair attacks. I can barely recall what recent travesty you underwent where you so desperately needed my aid, but if I didn’t speak up in your favor, it’s either because (a) I didn’t think the attacks were unfair, or (b) I didn’t care enough to continue reading.
With Strowbridge? No idea what you’re talkin’ about.
Okay, THAT’s funny.
Why does it always end up being about you, Frank, ur, I mean Dennis?
Jaim: “A group that harbors known child rapists doesn’t want Obama to speak at Notre Dame.
What a pack of creeps.”
Dennis the Bigot: “Why would Barack Obama care to speak before such a group, then, Jaim?”
It’s amazing how stupid you are. You can’t read a simple sentence and comprehend the meaning, yet you think your opinions matter on these subjects.
To explain… Notre Dame are not the defenders of child rapists. The Catholic Church is. Obama should speak at Notre Dame, no matter what the Catholic church says.
The Catholic church as an organization can go fuck itself. They have lost any moral authority they ever had. In fact, they should be the target of a RICO investigation and shut down.
News Reference: “JoQueen is a perfect example…”
If your pathetic website wasn’t reason enough to ignore you rants. …
Dennis the Bigot: “I do question Mister ed’s and Strowbridge’s statements. Really, been there done that. I’ve asked them both to cite any examples of racism by me several times and neither of them ever have.”
Bullshit. Your little anti-Semitic outburst is all the proof we need. But your hardcore defense of Rush Limbaugh is also evidence.
On the other hand, when we ask you questions, you usually refuse to answer, and then you accuse use of stalking you when we repeat the question.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Anti-Semitic outburst? You’re a certified nut-job, Strowbridge.
If you had some proof, you wouldn’t need to hype anything. Something you do often, because you have nothing else to back your claims.
Hardcore defense of Limbaugh? Even if that were the case, whatever you define as hardcore, it doesn’t make me a racist by any stretch of even the most wildest of liberal imaginations.
Please provide some evidence of what you consider hardcore defense of Limbaugh that you would consider Limbaugh.
Just once, provide it or shut the fuck up, imbecile.
On the other hand, when we ask you questions, you usually refuse to answer, and then you accuse use of stalking you when we repeat the question. Southern Strategy
And your questions are boring, mundane, repetitive, impertinent, idiotic and unintuitive. Answering them serves no purpose whatsoever to any topic at hand. Any answer would only serve your purpose, a purpose you’ve admitted would be for your enjoyment and amusement. Because it’s fun, you say.
You’re a sick bastard, Strowbridge. As sick as any one pedophile in any church clergy.
Dennis, it’s bad enough that you’re a borderline anti-semite (the most recent evidence of this being your dropping John Stewart’s given name in a thread that had nothing to do with Jewishness, until you made it so).
But really, the drama queen stuff is even more annoying.
BTW, have you found a job yet?
DENNIS: And asking those two nutcases anything always starts the same usual, mundane flame war… that I have absolutely no problem participating in for days at a time, again and again and again. [FIXED]
The Catholic church as an organization can go fuck itself. They have lost any moral authority they ever had. Southern Strategy
Oh really?
Why don’t you let the members of the Catholic Church decide who they choose to turn to for spiritual and moral guidance, dolt?
Liberal fascist.
In fact, they should be the target of a RICO investigation and shut down. Strowbridge
Shut down? Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement is? Even the first clue of it’s absurdity?
Certifiable nut-job, you are.
Says the guy defending an institution that was complicit in child-rape.
Jaim-
What do you idiots do, call each other and come on here at the same time? At least get your stories straight. Strowbridge called it an Anti-Semitic outburst. You call it borderline. It was neither. You know it, but keep on with it. Nothing I said before, during, or after had anything to do with ‘Jewishness’ (your term). Nor has anything I’ve ever said here before.
Ever.
Why don’t you try explaining your first post in this thread, Jaim Galt? You always let others do your bidding, then show up much later and pretend you never read anything about it.
Says the guy defending an institution that was complicit in child-rape. jaim
To show that what you and Strowbridge assert about the Catholic Church is absurd, idiotic and completely inconsistent with reality is not equal to defending an institution that is complicit in child-rape, Jaim. That concept is difficult for you to understand, but try, please. Your profession warrants some thinking on your part. And explain if you would, how my defending the institution is worse than Barack Obama speaking at it’s most famous university.
Dennis the Bigot: “Anti-Semitic outburst? You’re a certified nut-job, Strowbridge.”
Translation: “Waaaahhhh!:
“If you had some proof…”
I have to prove you are racist twice?
How about you attacks against where Jaim and I live? You are binging it up when there’s not reason to. You are using where we live as a way of attacking us, and not our arguments.
“Hardcore defense of Limbaugh? Even if that were the case, whatever you define as hardcore, it doesn’t make me a racist by any stretch of even the most wildest of liberal imaginations.”
If you can’t even see Rush Limbaugh is racist, it is certainly evidence that you are racist. Well, racist and in denial.
“Please provide some evidence of what you consider hardcore defense of Limbaugh that you would consider Limbaugh.”
You accused Newsday of lying about what Rush Limbaugh said. That’s pretty hardcore.
“Just once, provide it or shut the fuck up, imbecile.”
Two points…
1.) I’ve made this point in the past, so I have provided it ‘just once,’
2.) Can you please try and be more of a hypocrite?
Remember these?
What are the tenets of the Laffer Curve?
Is Rush Limbaugh a racist asshole?
I’m sure there are other questions you have refused to answer here.
Me: “On the other hand, when we ask you questions, you usually refuse to answer, and then you accuse use of stalking you when we repeat the question. Southern Strategy”
Oh good, you are calling me Southern Strategy again. Thanks for pointing out that you are racist. It saves me time.
Dennis the Bigot: “And your questions are boring, mundane, repetitive, impertinent, idiotic and unintuitive. Answering them serves no purpose whatsoever to any topic at hand. Any answer would only serve your purpose, a purpose you’ve admitted would be for your enjoyment and amusement. Because it’s fun, you say.”
Translation: “Waaahhhhhh!”
Dennis the Bigot: “You’re a sick bastard, Strowbridge. As sick as any one pedophile in any church clergy.”
Under normal circumstances, I would suggest anyone who would say something like that was intimately knowledgeable about pedophile priests.
I didn’t even know you were ordained.
Me: “The Catholic church as an organization can go fuck itself. They have lost any moral authority they ever had. Southern Strategy”
Dennis the Bigot: “Oh really?”
Yes. And organization that learns there are members raping little kids and their reaction is to gather together talk decided whether or not this is a problem that actually needs to be dealt with has no moral authority.
Dennis the Bigot: “Why don’t you let the members of the Catholic Church decide who they choose to turn to for spiritual and moral guidance, dolt?”
You are a fucking retard.
Where did I say the members of the Catholic Church couldn’t turn to the Catholic Church to moral or spiritual guidance?
I’m saying it’s a bad idea.
Dennis the Bigot: “Liberal fascist.”
On the other hand, you seem to want me to stop exercising my freedom of speech.
That would make you the fascist… and a hypocrite.
Me: “In fact, they should be the target of a RICO investigation and shut down.”
Dennis the Bigot: “Shut down? Do you have any idea how idiotic that statement is? Even the first clue of it’s absurdity?”
For a person who is clearly illiterate, you certainly hold your opinion to a high value.
The Catholic Church took men they knew were abusing kids and put them in positions of authority over potential victims. They then used their power to squash investigations through witness tampering.
That fits under the letter of RICO.
Dennis the Bigot: “What do you idiots do, call each other and come on here at the same time?”
Translation: ‘Waaahhhhh! You guys are picking on me!’
Let me guess, you are going to add fafaroo to the list of people stalking you, right?
Jaim: “Says the guy defending an institution that was complicit in child-rape.”
Dennis the Pro-Catholic Child Abuse Bigot: “To show that what you and Strowbridge assert about the Catholic Church is absurd, idiotic and completely inconsistent with reality is not equal to defending an institution that is complicit in child-rape, Jaim.”
But you didn’t actually do the first. You claimed it was ‘idiotic’ but you offered to proof. You didn’t even bother to show any evidence. You compared me to a pedophile priest, but you never offered evidence where I was wrong.
In short, like your anti-Semitic outburst, your pathetic excuses after the fact show your culpability.
All the above are falsehoods, Strowbridge. And I’ve addressed them all before. If you had anything substantive at all, you wouldn’t need to lie or embellish as you do.
But such is your trademark.
Where did I say the members of the Catholic Church couldn’t turn to the Catholic Church to moral or spiritual guidance? –Idiot
When you say the Catholic Church should be shut down, about as liberal fascist as you can get, where do you propose it’s members go for moral guidance, genius?
Dennis the Bigot: “All the above are falsehoods, Strowbridge. And I’ve addressed them all before. If you had anything substantive at all, you wouldn’t need to lie or embellish as you do.”
Translation: “Waahhh!”
Just dismissing my claims as ‘falsehoods’ is not really an argument. It’s a way of avoiding addressing my points.
And you haven’t addressed these points in the past. You’ve avoided them.
Remember the Laffer Curve, Re: Tenets of?
Remember Rush Limbaugh? You’ve never said if you thought he was racist or not?
You have never properly addressed your changing excuses for bringing up Jon Stewart’s birth name.
You’ve just dismissed these questions as, “…boring, mundane, repetitive, impertinent, idiotic and unintuitive.”
Me: “Where did I say the members of the Catholic Church couldn’t turn to the Catholic Church to moral or spiritual guidance?”
Dennis the Pro-Catholic Child Abuse Bigot: “When you say the Catholic Church should be shut down, about as liberal fascist as you can get…”
Wow. You don’t even know what the word ’should’ means. Why am I not surprised?
Should = Good Idea
Should does not = Forced to do something
“…where do you propose it’s members go for moral guidance, genius?”
How about they crack open a Bible. Maybe if they read the Bible they would realize there’s nothing in there about the pope, or papal infallibility.
Or is that’s why the Catholic Church doesn’t like that idea.
Dennis, if you’re going to keep mentioning what I do for a living, I think you owe it to everyone here to tell us what you do for a living. You’re the one who’s incapable of posting a comment without making it about you. Notice my first comment in this thread — I didn’t mention your name and yet, like a 13 year-old girl, you have this compulsion to make it all about you you you.
And when people like me and others respond to you directly, with fairly simple questions like a) Why did you bring up Jon Stewart’s given name in that other thread? b) What do you do for a living? you start wetting yourself.
Cut the drama queen act. It’s annoying. I’ve been trying to “play nice” with regards to you, but if you’re going to keep stalking me in every thread I comment in, expect me to state the obvious — you’re a coward, an idiot, a bigot, and until I hear otherwise, an unemployed loser.
Indeed, you’re pretty much the poster-boy for the Republican Party ca. 2009. Keep on truckin’, sparky.
For the love of God keep the personal flames in your emails to each other and try and debate why Dennis is completely wrong on the issues. Thanks.
Sorry Dad.
Oliver Willis: “For the love of God keep the personal flames in your emails to each other and try and debate why Dennis is completely wrong on the issues. Thanks.”
I would debate him on the issues, but he refuses.
I make a point. He calls it idiotic. I ask about it. … I ask about it. … I ask about it. He calls me a stalker.
And that’s being generous to him. In between his attempts to dismiss questions as, “boring, mundane, repetitive, impertinent, idiotic and unintuitive” he has gotten personal in his attacks as well. Anyone count the number of times he’s attack Jaim for living and working outside of the United States?
One final point… E-mails to each other? Is that happening a lot and I’m being left out?
I get enough crazy in my diet teaching kids every day. I don’t need crushing amounts of it through any sort of behind-the-scenes with Dennis.
But I’m serious about playing nice. I’ll make the effort.
Jaim: “But I’m serious about playing nice. I’ll make the effort.”
I’ll make the effort if Dennis does.
[[I would think people would have the same furor, except in the South. ]]
Count me as one Southern Presbyterian who wouldn’t stand for it from anyone. But the Roman Catholic Church’s offenses in this area have been according to all available evidence, orders of magnitude more egregious than anything else we’ve heard about.