The right and the MSM were quick to claim that the downturn in the market (which begun under President Bush) was Obama’s fault because it was still going on when he was sworn in. But now the market is up over inauguration day – for the time being. Think they’ll give him credit the way they blamed him?
If you believe they will, I have a slightly used bridge you might be interested in.
In what way does he deserve credit?
A little too early to be high-fiving yourselves, Oliver.
Soros Says Commercial Property Values Will Fall 30%
Roubini Says Stocks Will Drop as Banks Go ‘Belly Up’
Krugman Predicts U.S. Will Have to ‘Seize’ Big Banks as the economic and financial crisis deepens.
Three liberals who called the crisis, saying things may very well get worse before they get better.
Remember kids having a top marginal tax rate less than half of Eisenhower’s is “socialism”
In what way does he deserve credit?
Using the right-wing measuring stick of saying downticks in the market were all his fault. In other words, the same standard you used right here for weeks and weeks and weeks.
Also, isn’t Krugman supposed to be a far-left crackpot, according to you guys?
Dennis your hypocrisy is showing.
I never said the downticks were all his fault, Oliver.
Two maxims you can take to the bank. Or your mattress, I guess, as it were…
Trees don’t grow to the sky. And even a dead cat will bounce if it falls from a great height.
I never said the downticks were all his fault, Oliver.
Except when you did.
I can’t help it if you guys are so sensitive that you think any criticism of The Won regarding the stock market is equivalent to blaming him for all of it’s decline
You talk to your mother with that bullshit in your mouth? You guys have explicitly blamed Obama for the stock market falling. All of us in the real world – including the president – know that the market is prone to gyrations of all sort on a day to day basis. But you guys said that the downturn was his fault, so excuse us in looking for a little intellectual honesty from the intellectually bankrupt for half a second.
Dennis your hypocrisy is showing. SQ
I can’t help it if you guys are so sensitive that you think any criticism of The Won regarding the stock market is equivalent to blaming him for all of it’s decline, and that therefore when the market climbs back on encouraging news that perhaps things were not as bad as the hysterics were claiming, anyone who was critical is now supposed to bow down at his feet and praise him for turning the market around.
That’s the hypocrisy, Southern Quaker.
Two maxims you can take to the bank. Or your mattress, I guess, as it were…
Trees don’t grow to the sky. And even a dead cat will bounce if it falls from a great height.
You’d better listen to Dennis, the blogosphers’s less-effectual Nathan Thurm, he’s an economic genius. He even knows the tenets of the Laffer Curve. Well, he says he does. He just won’t share them with us for some resaon.
Except when you did.
Except that I never did. It’s your blog, you have easy access to every statement I’ve ever made regarding the market and Obama’s role. I’ll stand by every one of them. I’m very well aware the markets are prone to daily gyrations of all sorts on a day to day basis. I never blamed it all on Bush and I never blamed it all on Obama. And we’re not even close to being out of the woods right now- it’s intellectually dishonest to imply we are, and it’s way too early to be giving credit to anyone.
I never blamed it all on Bush and I never blamed it all on Obama.
Then it must have been a garden nymph that wrote this:
it’s intellectually dishonest to imply we are, and it’s way too early to be giving credit to anyone.
Nobody is saying we’re out of the woods. But for months the right and the msm said the down market was Obama’s fault. So I’m just saying use your own sloppy standards and crown Obama king of the stock market.
I called out Krazy Kooks Dennis and Jay on exactly this issue. They were wetting their diapers over the fact that the Dow was down under Obama, and now it’s up.
Where is the apology, Dennis?
Obviously, we still have a long way to go on the economy, but it is going to recover, and it is going to be due to the efforts of Obama and the Democratic Party, not the obstructionist, “hope he fails” Republicans.
But Republicans have no shame, and they’ll try and take credit regardless. Good thing we’ll be there to remind them of fuckwits like Dennis.
Good God, Oilver. Obama WAS talking down the economy. He had to pass the stimulus measures and he had to tell people how serious things were. It was scaring the shit out of everybody. Doesn’t mean that the market going down 400 points was all his fault for what he might’ve said that day. Now suddenly the talk is a whole lot more upbeat coming out of his mouth. Why is that?
The right and the MSM was justified in being critical of the things he was saying then. Doesn’t mean they blamed him for everything. AndI’m not misinterpreting you here- you are saying we blamed the market downturn ALL on Obama. I didn’t. Jay Tea didn’t, the right (whoever it is you are including in that) didn’t and believe me, the MSM didn’t either. That is unequivocally just not true, Sir.
That is unequivocally just not true, Sir.
Except when it clearly isn’t. Just admit the intellectual dishonesty. I know you did it, just admit it.
I called out Krazy Kooks Dennis and Jay on exactly this issue. They were wetting their diapers over the fact that the Dow was down under Obama, and now it’s up.
Where is the apology, Dennis? –Jaim
Yeah, you called us out and then when I called you a liar for saying we blamed the market decline, the BushII market decline as you called it, all on Obama, you didn’t defend yourself. I even called you a pussy for addressing that charge. Now all of a sudden because the market has bounced back you are bold again.
Since Strowbridge gets upset at the use of the word ‘pussy’, I’ll just say you are an intellectual coward.
I even called you a pussy for addressing that charge.
Should’ve been, for not addressing that charge.
Now just a darn minute, Dennis.
On many occasions over that last couple of months, you have called attention to declines in the Dow, yes? And on those occasions, you also mentioned Mr. Obama or his policies, didn’t you?
Now you’re going to tell us that it was all just a big misunderstanding?
I was critical of him, yes, Qibbie. I’ve never denied that. I also said on at least a couple occasions that I was glad that it was coming back up. Calling attention to declines in the market and mentioning things that Obama was saying at the time is not blaming the whole market decline on him.
Why is that so hard to get through to you guys? Why do you think being critical of Obama on the economy and the way the DOW is reacting is in effect blaming him for everything, 100%?
A big misunderstanding??? Like I said, I stand by everything I’ve ever said. That you misunderstand what I said I think is definitely the case.
Do you blame the market decline on Bush?
Dennis the Bigot: “Good God, Oilver. Obama WAS talking down the economy.”
So you do blame Obama for the downturn in the DOW. Not only did you do so in the past, but you are standing by that statement now.
Yet you claim you never blamed Obama for the drop in the DOW.
One of these statements is clearly wrong, so you are lying. You are a liar.
Why should we trust a word you say?
Dennis the Bigot: “Calling attention to declines in the market and mentioning things that Obama was saying at the time is not blaming the whole market decline on him.”
And saying you blamed Obama for the drop in the DOW doesn’t not imply that there were other causes. Blame is not exclusive. If one person is to blame, it doesn’t mean others are not also culpable.
I know this must be tough for you to understand, because you are a conservative and see the world in black & white terms only, but reality as more shades of gray.
Wow. I think Dennis is really topping himself here.
First, he tries to say he didn’t link Obama’s performance with the Dow’s performance when it’s painfully clear that that is exactly what he did here, many times.
Then, he accuses me of being a coward while simultaneously trying to back off of what he actually said regarding Obama and the Dow being linked.
What’s next, Dennis the Moron? Are you going to tell us that actually you voted for Obama/Biden? Kind of like how Jay is always telling us (LOL) that he’s not actually a Republican?
You’re a complete fucking joke. Go back to watching basketball and stay there, loser.
Better yet, why don’t you just make a comment commending Obama for his excellent stewardship of the American economy?
Republicans keep making these shaky intellectual bargains, and then show themselves to be complete bed-wetters when proven wrong. Guys like Dennis and the CNBC crowd were shrieking about Obama hurting the Dow, and now they have to back-pedal because there’s no possible way they could ever praise a Dem, not to mention a black man.
And here’s the bigger one: The American economy is going to recover, hopefully sooner rather than later, and when it does Obama and the Dems will get all of the credit. All they’ll have to do is make a 30-second commercial with a) Comrade Rush’s “hope he fails” comment, b) clips from Boehner and Cantor cracking the whip to make sure no Republican House members voted for the stimulus, and c) any of the thousands of cackling wing-nut bloggers who, like Dennis, directly linked Obama’s performance to the economy’s.
The important thing is that America is recovering economically. The icing on the cake is that the Republican party is doomed, and wing-nuts like Dennis will be flushed down the proverbial toilet of history. Amen.
Except that I never did.
Yes you did, Dennis. Yes you did.
I never said the downticks were all his fault, Oliver…. Doesn’t mean that the market going down 400 points was all his fault for what he might’ve said that day.
Dennis, you were reporting the DOW hour by hour in relation to Obama’s public comments. Case in point:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/21/obama-biggest-tax-cut-ever/#comment-138373
There’s no misunderstanding the simple cause and effect you describe in this series of of sentences, Dennis.
Market opens up
Obama speaks
Market down
“Heckuva job, Baracky.”
You are blaming a drop in the stock market directly and only on Obama.
Later in that same thread:
Note, not “DOW down 102 now. Those earnings reports after Obama’s statements sure didn’t help matters!” Nope.
It was all Obama’s fault.
I really doubt Dennis has the balls to show himself in this thread ever again, hence the precious little “basketball” comment.
Obama WAS talking down the economy. He had to pass the stimulus measures and he had to tell people how serious things were. It was scaring the shit out of everybody. Doesn’t mean that the market going down 400 points was all his fault for what he might’ve said that day.
Of course, when Dennis says he never meant that Obama not solely responsible for the Dow losing 400 points in a single day, he meant it was the Obama administration which was solely responsible for it:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/10/obamas-style/#comment-136775
Obama WAS talking down the economy…Doesn’t mean that the market going down 400 points was all his fault for what he might’ve said that day.
http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/23/ods-watch-alan-keyes-brings-it/#comment-138470
Wow. Dennis just got his ass handed to him.
I wonder if he will bother showing up to this thread again?
Good God, Oilver. Obama WAS talking down the economy.
Dennis, can you explain something to me? You are attacking Obama for not instilling confidence in the market. Indeed, for undermining it.
But if Obama’s greatest crime is “talking down the economy,” are not the three people you cited also talking down the economy? Indeed, in your first comment in this thread are not you, talking down the economy:
I mean, fuck dude, if Obama had said any of these kinds of things, especially the last — “things may very well get worse before they get better” — you would have been all over him. But Obama wasn’t saying that. He was saying the exact opposite. He was saying that after a lot of hard choices and work, with the right long term strategy, things were going to get better.
Dennis infantile mind is so twisted around by Obama’s success that he’s quoting Soros, Roubini, and Krugman is a _positive_ way.
Dennis infantile mind is so twisted around by Obama’s success that he’s quoting Soros, Roubini, and Krugman is a _positive_ way. Jaim Galt
Completely idiotic statement by you again, Jaims. If I quote a conservative all I’d get is ad hominems by the buckets full. So I give you three liberals to indicate to your feeble minds that we aren’t out of the woods by even the most optimistic of imaginations and it’s not yet time to gloat like Oliver is doing, and all you can come with is is how ironic it is to quote liberals.
If you want conservative opinions, just ask.
Dolt.
America is calling you back, Jaims. Be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem.
Except when it clearly isn’t. Just admit the intellectual dishonesty. I know you did it, just admit it. Oliver Willis
You think, write and speak with extreme partisanship and cynicism, Oliver. If I’m critical of something Obama says, you interpret it as wingnuttery and think I’m blaming EVERYTHING on Obama. Then you repeat that over and over. There’s the intellectual dishonesty; your inability to think objectively. You’re trained in the Media Matters school of objectivity.
You don’t know a whole lot about the economy, how business works, or how the markets work. And you’re unwilling to admit it, too. Worse yet, you are unwilling to listen to anyone whose opinions differ than your own because you distrust all businessmen; finance or otherwise, who disagree with your world view. So when you read where someone criticizes your man, you interpret it to the extreme. No matter how many times I explain to you that the markets are far bigger than any one man may be able to totally influence it, you remain unconvinced. To you, when conservatives criticize Obama for anything regarding the stock market, you think they are blaming him for everything.
You’re just wrong about that, no matter how hard your subjects try to back you up on it.
Anyone above ridiculing me care to post any link at all that doesn’t point to the market’s reaction to the spendulus bill and Obama’s ‘mulligan’, Tsy Sec. Geithner’s incompetence regarding the bank bail-out as the main cause of the almost 400 pt. drop in the DOW yesterday? –fafaroo (quoting me as an example of my blaming Obama for the whole market’s downturn)
Go find an article from that day that didn’t point to those things as being the main influences on that day’s actions, fafaroo. And I was pointing to one day’s actions, not the whole market downturn. Stupid, very stupid example. You’re better than that.
You are blaming a drop in the stock market directly and only on Obama. –fafaroo
Yeah, I did that day. For a stretch during that time period as he was selling the stimulus package by trying to scare the shit out of everybody, he succeeded in scaring the shit out of everybody. People were bailing out of their stock positions in droves. Exactly at a time when you’d think we’d be getting the short-covering rally that we are now just getting. I was arguing with guys like you and the idiot Southern Strategy that the market was based on expectations of future returns by businesses, and at the time they weren’t buying what Obama was selling. And they weren’t.
Not so sure they are now just yet, either.
So you do blame Obama for the downturn in the DOW. Not only did you do so in the past, but you are standing by that statement now. One of these statements is clearly wrong, so you are lying. You are a liar. – OCD Southern Strategy
I blamed Obama for contributing greatly to the downturn, yes, and I stand by that statement. I didn’t blame Obama for everything, for all of the downturn in the DOW. That shouldn’t be a hard thing for you to reconcile those two statements as being separate issues. As a matter of fact, you already did reconcile them in two separate previous threads; now you’re going back on what you already said. You said Jaim never was accusing me of blaming the DOW’s drop all on Obama. Now you’re saying I was.
It’s you the one who is lying, Strowbridge. You are the liar.
Balatantly so.
So the fact remains that the Dow has now gone up under Obama’s presidency. Why can’t you simply thank him for his masterful economic leadership?
Dennis, why do you hate America?
Look, I realize you’re of a severely limited mental capacity, so I’ll explain the joke to you. Pinning any president’s financial success on a) the _daily_ variations of the market, as opposed to say a nice, long eight-year span, or b) what the market is doing when he’s only had two months to try and fix the Bush/Republican Recession, is stupid. I take it you’re kind of admitting this finally. I guess that’s a step in the right direction. But the fact is, you engaged in this type of retarded Kudlow/CNBC type bullshit, gleefully so, when the market was going down. You did it frequently. You did it constantly. But you’re too much of a pussy to just man up and either a) admit you really think a president can be judged on a single day of the market, even after only two motnhs or b) that when the market does go back up in a _sustained_ fashion, you will drop to your knees and praise Obama as A MARKET GENIUS and vote Democrat the rest of your sorry life.
You’re a simpleton. A light-weight. And a coward. But you’re also very amusing. Thanks again for your unintentional comedy stylings.
Why can’t you simply thank him for his masterful economic leadership? Cheers and Jeers Jaims
Again, what has he done that you would consider masterful economic leadership, Jaims? Show me you’re not the simpleton, the light-weight, or the coward. You’re nothing more than an insect; a cheerleader here. It’s all you can do from your far-away outpost.
You’re like the college kids at basketball games that form their own cheering sections and yell vulgar taunts at the visiting teams.
“Obama is great. Democrats are better than Republicans. You guys suck. Ha ha.”
That’s all you do here. Then, like Strowbridge, you get pissed when you’re caught in a lie and can’t verbalize a cogent and effective counter-argument, so you resort to names. Unoriginal names at that.
Cheers and Jeers Jaims. That’s your shtick.
What’s that beeping I hear? Oh wait, that’s just Dennis backing up.
Nice try, Sparky. Maybe next time. Good luck not getting your ass handed to you yet again. But keep on keepin’ on tryin’!
It’s you the one who is lying, Strowbridge. You are the liar.
Balatantly so.
You tell ‘em, Thurmy!
Oh man, I remember Dennis from grade school. You always knew he’d advance in age to become a WATB Republican “I know you are but what am I” Chickenhawk. Congrats Dennis! Mission accomplished!
What did I lie about, sparky?
Why, ed, do you never make an argument?
Why?
Here, here’s a bone for you to chew on, right up your alley.
Threats to AIG: “We Will Get Your Children”
Surprised you’re not just as upset about these wackos driven to huysteria by the CYA Congressman and the Obama Administration looking for scapegoats to their ineptness. as you are about Jim Adkisson, the only other thing you’ve ever mentioned here aside from racism and Rush Limbaugh.
Go to town, Big Guy.
http://www.mnftiu.cc/2009/03/25/the-aig-death-threats/
Hey Dennis.
Rule #1 when you’re in a hole…stop digging.
Grow a pair and stand up to the strawman you created. I’ve been reading this blog for months and it’s clear you’ve been squating over and taking a shit on Obama any chance you got when the market was down. Now that it’s on the uptick, you 1) act as if you didn’t judge his performance by the market and 2) you’re conviently deviating from that standard now that it doesn’t flower your strawman argument anymore. Stop being a fucking pussy and admit that you were wrong or give the President his due credit and be done with it.
Nice try, Sparky. Maybe next time. Good luck not getting your ass handed to you yet again. But keep on keepin’ on tryin’! Mister ed
Not even a nick or a scrape, Mr. ed. Not one glove laid on me, despite eight guys here all working feverishly through the night and early morning to do so, on an argument we’ve analyzed every way from Sunday already. ‘A’ for effort and persistence, but a big fat ‘FAIL’ for effectiveness.
DOW down 130 pts. Good God, someone please help this President.
Surprised you’re not just as upset about these wackos driven to huysteria by the CYA Congressman and the Obama Administration looking for scapegoats to their ineptness. as you are about Jim Adkisson, the only other thing you’ve ever mentioned here aside from racism and Rush Limbaugh.
How do you know I’m not? If you start defending the AIG death threat makers like you do racist Republican assholes, then I’ll respond. Get it? Dumbass.
http://www.mnftiu.cc/2009/03/25/the-aig-death-threats/
Nice argumentum ad linkumen, Mister ed, but hardly the same argument you apply to Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Coulter and Beck for stirring up the anti-liberal sentiment. In fact, quite the opposite. That douchebag David Rees doesn’t mention death threats to his children, does he, either? Nor does he mention buses of ACORN nuts driving by his house. He’s wrong when he says death threats go with the territory with these guys. He makes no mention of anything any of these did wrong, most of them completely innocent. In short, just a terrible article, that in his post scripts, had to back away from his original text. Not everyone receiving death threats got $700,000 either.
Lousy counter, ed. Imagine that’s the best you got, though.
You don’t know a whole lot about the economy, how business works, or how the markets work.
And you do, Dennis?
Your market analysis to date has comprised of nothing but posting each drop in the Dow followed by some snarky comment about Obama – whether or not the current thread had anything to do with the economy.
Funny how you stopped posting about the DOW once it started going up.
If you start defending the AIG death threat makers like you do racist Republican assholes, then I’ll respond. Get it? ed
Republicans? Right, ed.
Lousy counter, ed.
Oh come on! It’s a little cute!
http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/why-michelle-malkin-ought-to-be-caged.html
Warning: Dude’s handle is not ironic.
No matter how many times I explain to you that the markets are far bigger than any one man may be able to totally influence it, you remain unconvinced.
I love the moral superiority and then attacking me for something you’re cited in this thread multiple times for doing yourself. I know that one man or woman in the White House isn’t responsible for the often schizo ups and downs of the market. But you clearly didn’t when you were blaming Obama for it. Your statements in this forum make it pretty damn clear you don’t know what the fuck to do when you’ve been called on it over and over again. So here’s a suggestion.
Warning: Dude’s handle is not ironic. ed
That is about your level of discourse ed. I imagine it’s where you take your cues, no?
I never said the downticks were all his fault, Oliver.
Jesus jumping Crhrist, are we gonna have to go over this again?
That is about your level of discourse ed.
The Rude Pundit’s gonna be dead and you’re gonna say, “Oh, I’ve been reading him for years, and I think he’s fabulous.”
DOW down 130 pts. Good God, someone please help this President.
Good God, you just did it again! In the same space where you said you never did!
Inconceivable!
Dennis the Bigot: “I blamed Obama for contributing greatly to the downturn, yes, and I stand by that statement. I didn’t blame Obama for everything…”
Who said you did?
“You said Jaim never was accusing me of blaming the DOW’s drop all on Obama. Now you’re saying I was.”
You are fucking illiterate. Either that or you are lying. And I don’t give a fuck which it is.
You blamed Obama for the drop in the DOW. This is 100% fact. Your only defense now is saying, ‘I didn’t blame Obama 100% for the drop in the DOW.’ However, there are two points you must keep in mind…
1.) No one said you blamed him 100%.
2.) Blaming him 49% is still blaming him.
Got it? Or are you truly this fucking stupid?
Inconceivable! Duros
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hale-stewart/the-obama-rally-begins_b_179896.html
It’s like he’s right there in the room with you, Dense.
Who said you did?
Let’s see. Jaim, Oliver, Southern Quaker, fafaroo, Duros, J. Winger, some dude named Chow Shark, Mister ed, and some other apparently long-time lurker first time poster named J. Winnfield. They’re like you, Southern Strategy- they’re coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden. Like ants.
No, Dennse, speaking for myself, I never said you blamed Obama for the entire market collapse. This is something you have invented. You misunderstood a statement by fafaroo, or perhaps fafaroo was making a generalization that you had. You pounced on that generalization, which we all recognize as such (except you), and have proceeded apace with your delusion.
You have been blaming Obama for the stock market’s performance (specifically, the DJIA) since November 5th.
You cannot deny this.
Why is Michele Bachmann posting so many times on a progressive blogger’s website? It’s not like she needs a pseudonym to embarrass herself by saying something totally batshit crazy, then denying she said it in the face of established evidence.
some other apparently long-time lurker first time poster named J. Winnfield
I don’t remember askin’ you a Goddamn thing!
Yeah, I did that day. For a stretch during that time period as he was selling the stimulus package by trying to scare the shit out of everybody, he succeeded in scaring the shit out of everybody.
Dennis, you did it practically everyday and you started doing it before Obama was even elected:
When you blame every daily dip in the market on Obama, and you do this practically every day since before the election, eventually you’re blaming Obama for the downward trend. And Dennis, you never bothered to talk about the other factors you keep saying were involved. For you, it was and is always about Obama.
You don’t know a whole lot about the economy, how business works, or how the markets work.
And according to your vast knowledge of market forces if the DOW goes down it’s Obama’s fault. If it goes up, well, there’s no telling why or what it means.
You have been blaming Obama for the stock market’s performance (specifically, the DJIA) since November 5th.
You cannot deny this. Duros
Have you and several other yardbirds here not been blaming Bush for not only all of the stock market decline, but the world economy by extension? Tell me what it is that has your dander up so for criticizing Obama? It is interesting to run graphs back to the time when it looked like Obama was a shoe-in to become the next President, specifically last August. Doesn’t mean I blame him.
As to Bonddad’s article and the market being up 20% since earlier this month, yeah, it’d be nice if all of us had been in cash this past 8 months and put it all back in the market in early March, but that’s not the reality. Maybe all those blogs were looking for this short-covering rally a long time ago, and that Obama didn’t need to contribute to the panic, confusion and widespread uncertainty by scaring everyone, so that maybe we’d be up closer to 9,000 now on the DOW instead of 7,800. No one knew where the bottom was and he seemed to be indifferent to what was happening at the time, and as I said at the time, the market was only going one way almost every single day, and it wasn’t up.
For you, it was and is always about Obama. fafaroo
Sorry, fafaroo, I don’t come here to talk about Bush. You guys have that well covered. Would you hate me any less if said he was at fault too? Fewer names thrown my way? Fewer STFU’s? Fewer people telling me I’m an idiot but then going way back in the annals of this blog to find another quote of mine to discuss in an almost compulsive manner?
Would that be comforting to you if I bashed Republicans along with you, just to be one of the guys, or to appear ‘classy’ in your eyes?
Maybe all those blogs were looking for this short-covering rally a long time ago, and that Obama didn’t need to contribute to the panic, confusion and widespread uncertainty by scaring everyone, so that maybe we’d be up closer to 9,000 now on the DOW instead of 7,800.
Right. You’re not blaming Obama for the market’s downticks but you are saying the market would be hire if not for Obama.
“…the market was only going one way almost every single day, and it wasn’t up.”
And almost everyday you were here saying that the daily drops in the market could be directly related to something Obama said or did that day, practically every day. Since before the election.
You’re a total tool, Dennis. A total tool.
Have you and several other yardbirds here not been blaming Bush for not only all of the stock market decline, but the world economy by extension?
No I have not. I blame Bush for a lot of shit, and justifiably so. But even I, economic neophyte that I am, know that there was a lot more involved in the collapse of the world market. Bush’s Friedman-like policies didn’t help, but I would never blame him entirely.
Nice try, son.
And almost everyday you were here saying that the daily drops in the market could be directly related to something Obama said or did that day, practically every day. Since before the election.
Gosh, fafaroo, I had no clue it was pissing you off. If I had known that, maybe I would’ve talked about that morning’s housing starts number, or Citi’s poor earnings, or what insurance company just got downgraded, or one of the other thousands of factors affecting the market. I feel so bad that on a left-wing political blog that does nothing else (politically-speaking) besides bash Bush and all Republicans and praise Barack Obama as if he’s Superman, that I would keep my focus on the then next President’s overall affect when it came to matters on the economy and the stock market.
Please forgive.
Please forgive.
Now you’re just rationalizing being ass. So no.
If I had known that, maybe I would’ve talked about that morning’s housing starts number, or Citi’s poor earnings, or what insurance company just got downgraded, or one of the other thousands of factors affecting the market.
But you didn’t. And that’s what you’re getting called on.
Sorry if your feelings got hurt, Denny.
Now you’re just rationalizing being ass. So no.
Devil’s advocate, more like.
Lots of asses on here. Belligerent ones. Makes it hard to stay charming. I do try, though.
Devil’s advocate, more like.
No. You’re an ass.
Bush II was president for eight years. Reality-based adults can surmise that after eight long years, he did a shitty job of improving the American economy. If fact, he ruined it.
Obama has been prez for two months. As I said up-thread, it’s stupid to tie a prez to the DOW for a single day, or week even, given that they serve for four years (although Obama will serve for eight).
By your own actions, you’ve made it clear that a president’s performance can be gauged to some extent on daily stock market performance. And ya know, that’s fucking stupid, but hey, it’s Dennis we’re talking about.
So let’s keep at it. As the stimulus package kicks in and the Dow rises again (maybe not to 14,000, but definitely above where it was when Chimpy left office), I will eagerly await your comments telling us how excited and proud you are that we finally have a president who understands economics.
You work in finance, right? How many poor bastards and their families are now broke because of you and your idiocy? Just curious.
Seriously, Jaim, if that wasn’t the 30th time you’ve said that very same thing, I might take the time to respond to it. You know how I hate beating dead horses, right?
Dennis the Bigot: “You know how I hate beating dead horses, right?”
We know you like refusing to answer a question till it has been repeated so often you can call it a dead horse.
Me: “Who said you did?”
Dennis the Bigot: “Let’s see. Jaim, Oliver, Southern Quaker, fafaroo, Duros, J. Winger, some dude named Chow Shark, Mister ed, and some other apparently long-time lurker first time poster named J. Winnfield. They’re like you, Southern Strategy- they’re coming out of the woodwork all of a sudden. Like ants.”
You are a liar.
YOU added the 100% part to their claims. You added that part and then said it wasn’t true.
This has been explained to you repeatedly, but you continue to lie about it.
Confirmed liar calls me a liar, based on his perception of how much of a percentage he thinks everyone here is placing on the word ‘blame’.
I’m guessing your favorite movie is Jim Carrey’s ‘Liar Liar’, isn’t it Southern Strategy?
You’re a maroon. And you make no sense whatsoever.
Dennis the Bigot: “Confirmed liar calls me a liar, based on his perception of how much of a percentage he thinks everyone here is placing on the word ‘blame’.”
So you are saying you are betting are judging what these people meant than they are. Is that your claim? Are you really going to stand by that claim?
“I’m guessing your favorite movie is Jim Carrey’s ‘Liar Liar’, isn’t it Southern Strategy?”
Translation: “Wahhhhhhhh!”
Fucking racist crybaby.
You’re a joke.
You are worthless.
Your second paragraph is imcomprehensible.
The rest is just your same old, same old.
Ol’ One-note Strowbridge.
Even on a Friday evening it’s the same thing. Pissed-off ranting. Isn’t there a medication that helps your OCD and enhances your mood at the same time?
I’ll look into it and get back to ya’. That’s the kind of guy I am.
Dennis the Bigot: “Your second paragraph is imcomprehensible.”
Oops.
Try this one…
So you are saying you are better at judging what these people meant than they are. Is that your claim? Are you really going to stand by that claim?
You are claiming people are accusing you of blaming Obama 100% for the decline. They never said 100%. They say they didn’t mean 100%.
Yet you are still claiming they meant 100%!
Where is your evidence?
Dennis the Bigot: “The rest is just your same old, same old.”
Translation: “Waaaahhhhh!”
Dennis the Bigot: “Ol’ One-note Strowbridge.”
Translation: “Waaaahhhhh! Stop calling me racist!”
Dennis the Bigot: Even on a Friday evening it’s the same thing. Pissed-off ranting. Isn’t there a medication that helps your OCD and enhances your mood at the same time?
Translation: “Waaaahhhhh! Just because I had an anti-Semitic outburst, doesn’t mean I’m anti-Semitic!”
Dennis the Bigot: I’ll look into it and get back to ya’. That’s the kind of guy I am.
Translation: “Waaaahhhhh! Leave me alone! Waaaahhhhh!”
You are so fucking pathetic.
At least you are pathetic in an entertaining way.
Pretty amazing. I don’t think Dennis has ever answered a direct question at OliverWillis.com.
And since he didn’t answer my question about how shitty a financial services guy he is, I’m going to assume he’s unemployed right now.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer fucktard.
It’s just that you’re getting weirdly personal, Jaim Galt. And the only reason you inquire about personal stuff is to taunt. So assume anything you want to because that’s what you’d do anyway no matter what I say.
Or you’d just lie like Strowbridge does and state your false and made-up assumption as fact.
It’s how you two guys roll.
Personal? Like how you constantly reference my career and where I live like a smitten 13 year-old girl?
So let’s try these two questions: Since you think a president is in large part responsible for the day-to-day ups and downs of the Dow, 1) Why don’t you spend more time blaming George W. Bush for the catastrophic eight-year collapse of the market (not to mention the employment rate and stagnant wages across the board)? and 2) What will you do if and when the market goes back up under Obama to, say, 10,000 points over the next eight years?
I’m probably wasting my key-strokes buy hey, this whole thread is now one long testament to what a moronic and cowardly fellow you are.
Oh, and third question — Do you even have a job? (Mowing your parents’ lawn doesn’t count.)
…and where I live like a smitten 13 year-old girl? –Jaim Galt
I never said you live like a smitten 13 yr old girl. If I had, Southern Strategy would come out of his hole and call me sexist.
It’s you who blames Bush for everything, Jaim, so if you can’t take it, don’t give it. If we only get back to 10,000 in the next 8 years with the amount of stimulus we are providing, it will be a huge disappointment. I think America is better than that, don’t you?
I’m doing my best to make it better, anyway, Jaim. Maybe it’s about time you did too. C’mon, the water’s warm. Be a patriot, not an ex-patriate.
Do you even have a job?
Jaim: “…and where I live like a smitten 13 year-old girl?”
Dennis the Bigot: “I never said you live like a smitten 13 yr old girl.”
Oh my god! Shut the fuck up, you goddamn idiot!
Jaim was calling you are smitten 13-year old girl.
If you can’t get that, you are fucking illiterate.
“I’m doing my best to make it better, anyway, Jaim. … Be a patriot, not an ex-patriate.”
If you were a patriot, you would punch your own clock. The only way you could make the world better, is if you were not longer living on it.
Jaim: “…and where I live like a smitten 13 year-old girl?”
Dennis the Bigot: “I never said you live like a smitten 13 yr old girl.” … “It’s you who blames Bush for everything, Jaim…”
I’s separating this out so you might pay attention to it.
Your whole argument is that you know what Jaim and the others meant, and that your interpretation overrides their explanation. However, this incident is proof that you are fucking retarded.
You interpretation of what someone said is worthless. Which, coincidentally, is what you are worth.
Is English a second language for you, Southern Strategy? Nothing you say ever makes sense.
Dennis the Bigot: “Is English a second language for you, Southern Strategy? Nothing you say ever makes sense.”
Translation: “Waahhhhhhh!”
You are a fucking idiot. If you don’t understand something, odds are it is your fault.
Now shut the fuck up, you piece of shit.
You have proven you are an idiot, and idiot’s shouldn’t talk in public.
Very simple, really.
Anything bad that happens while BHO is POTUS is his fault.
Anything good that happens would have happened anyway.
The ‘very simple’ compound adjective also applies to a certain
someone’s thought processes on this subject.
Now shut the fuck up, you piece of shit. Southern Strategy
It’s you that is the real piece of shit, Strowbridge. You’re the one that needs to shut the fuck up. You’ve proven yourself to be an obsessed stalker and liar incapable of intelligent conversation which compels you to fits of anger and a Tourette’s like personality.
Seek help, Strowbridge. Find the right medication. Something.
It’s killing you.
Dennis the Bigot: “You’re the one that needs to shut the fuck up. You’ve proven yourself to be an obsessed stalker…”
Translation: “Waaaahhhhhhhhhhhh!”
You sure are using a lot of words to say nothing at all.
“Seek help, Strowbridge. Find the right medication. Something.”
Projection. Go burn a cross. Get it out of your system.
“It’s killing you.”
God, I hope this part is projection.
“God, I hope this part is projection.”
Hahaha! Now THAT’S funny.
Hmm, Dennis won’t answer any of my direct and pretty simple questions.
Keep up the good work at Taco Bell, and stop trying to disparage my career. I hope you make it out of your mom’s house some day.
“Keep up the good work at Taco Bell, and stop trying to disparage my career. I hope you make it out of your mom’s house some day.”
Two points…
1.) Taco Bell wouldn’t hire this loser.
2.) God I hope he never makes it out of his mother’s basement. He could accidentally reproduce. I know it’s unlikely, but there’s a small chance.
Ok, everyone off to your corners. Chill out.