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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143568</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also: I think OW&#039;s fix has kicked in. I&#039;m seeing straight-up-and-down apostrophes now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also: I think OW&#8217;s fix has kicked in. I&#8217;m seeing straight-up-and-down apostrophes now.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143567</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SFC, your link to Firedoglake doesn&#039;t say that Dodd inserted the February 11 loophole. It says Dodd put in the amendment to restrict bonuses and the conference committee softened it. I don&#039;t think Dodd was part of the conference.

Now, CNN is showing a clip of Dodd saying he took part in the rewrite--but even at that, he says he wanted to keep it the way it was passed by the Senate--retroactive covering all previous contracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SFC, your link to Firedoglake doesn&#8217;t say that Dodd inserted the February 11 loophole. It says Dodd put in the amendment to restrict bonuses and the conference committee softened it. I don&#8217;t think Dodd was part of the conference.</p>
<p>Now, CNN is showing a clip of Dodd saying he took part in the rewrite&#8211;but even at that, he says he wanted to keep it the way it was passed by the Senate&#8211;retroactive covering all previous contracts.</p>
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		<title>By: SFC B</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143526</link>
		<dc:creator>SFC B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HUZZAH!

Thanks Quaker.  I hope this is something which can be fixed on Mr. Willis&#039; side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HUZZAH!</p>
<p>Thanks Quaker.  I hope this is something which can be fixed on Mr. Willis&#8217; side.</p>
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		<title>By: SFC B</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143525</link>
		<dc:creator>SFC B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 21:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dodd did amend the bill. He didn&#039;t put the exclusion date in.&lt;/blockquote&gt;He did though.  Of course he did it after the Obama Administration pressured him to change it do more companies would be willing to be bought by the government.

http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/17/treasury-attempts-to-blame-dodd-for-aig-bonuses/

So, basically, Dodd did what the administrtaion is blaming him for doing, but the administration is the one who got him to do it in the first place.  I don&#039;t remember President Obama being this blatant about throwing people under the bus.

Heck of a job Timmy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dodd did amend the bill. He didn&#8217;t put the exclusion date in.</p></blockquote>
<p>He did though.  Of course he did it after the Obama Administration pressured him to change it do more companies would be willing to be bought by the government.</p>
<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/17/treasury-attempts-to-blame-dodd-for-aig-bonuses/" rel="nofollow">http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/17/treasury-attempts-to-blame-dodd-for-aig-bonuses/</a></p>
<p>So, basically, Dodd did what the administrtaion is blaming him for doing, but the administration is the one who got him to do it in the first place.  I don&#8217;t remember President Obama being this blatant about throwing people under the bus.</p>
<p>Heck of a job Timmy.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143502</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SFC, after you paste the quoted text, replace all the apostrophes and quote marks in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SFC, after you paste the quoted text, replace all the apostrophes and quote marks in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143489</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A pox on apostrophes!</description>
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		<title>By: SFC B</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143484</link>
		<dc:creator>SFC B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DAMNIT!

&quot;Dodd did amend the bill. He didn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DAMNIT!</p>
<p>&#8220;Dodd did amend the bill. He didn</p>
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		<title>By: SFC B</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143480</link>
		<dc:creator>SFC B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;He (Dodd) didn</description>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143416</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The stimulus bill, signed by PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA (D) contained an amendment put into the bill by SENATOR CHRIS DODD (D) that protected any bonuses worked out before February 11, 2009. &lt;/em&gt;

Dodd did amend the bill. He didn&#039;t put the exclusion date in.

Posturing, Jay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The stimulus bill, signed by PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA (D) contained an amendment put into the bill by SENATOR CHRIS DODD (D) that protected any bonuses worked out before February 11, 2009. </em></p>
<p>Dodd did amend the bill. He didn&#8217;t put the exclusion date in.</p>
<p>Posturing, Jay.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike&#8217;s Blog Roundup &#124; My Blog Channel</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143384</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike&#8217;s Blog Roundup &#124; My Blog Channel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] scandal isn&#8217;t the bonuses, it&#8217;s that their counterparties are getting paid back in full. Boss Rush and Blubbering Bircher Beck defended the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill 1776</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143381</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill 1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 15:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repugs, some of the most retarded asswipes I have ever met. The assholes who said aig should get there millions do have a D after there name,but they are blue dog dems. these are assholes who run as a dem but are nothing more than repugs because they could not win an election as a repug.look at that asshole zell miller or that bitch leaberman. they call them dems. People need to look at these so called assholes, there more set on keeping there JOB than the people of this country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repugs, some of the most retarded asswipes I have ever met. The assholes who said aig should get there millions do have a D after there name,but they are blue dog dems. these are assholes who run as a dem but are nothing more than repugs because they could not win an election as a repug.look at that asshole zell miller or that bitch leaberman. they call them dems. People need to look at these so called assholes, there more set on keeping there JOB than the people of this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143318</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Of course, I doubt anyone here sees any potential for abuse in the Congress crafting ex post facto to attack unpopular people. &lt;/em&gt;

I do. I&#039;ll have to give you that one, SFC. I can&#039;t say I&#039;m comfortable with Congress considering a tax measure this punitive and narrowly targeted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Of course, I doubt anyone here sees any potential for abuse in the Congress crafting ex post facto to attack unpopular people. </em></p>
<p>I do. I&#8217;ll have to give you that one, SFC. I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m comfortable with Congress considering a tax measure this punitive and narrowly targeted.</p>
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		<title>By: SFC B</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143313</link>
		<dc:creator>SFC B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Yeah it’s fascinating how contract law now apparently supersedes all other law including the Bible, and must be kept inviolate and sacrosanct (for top execs of course).&lt;/blockquote&gt;Seeing as how Congress hopes to write up a law punishing people through the tax code for accepting money to which they were entitled by like Monday, it would seem there is law which trumps contract law.  Of course, I doubt anyone here sees any potential for abuse in the Congress crafting ex post facto to attack unpopular people.  Nope.  No potential for abuse there.&lt;blockquote&gt;Somehow they seem to be able to be made to give back stuff that was given to them…&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m sorry, how much money has been recouped from UAW members since GM and Chrysler took a bailout?  Hell, the only automaker to finish a renegotation with the UAW so far has been Ford, and they didn&#039;t cut pay (but an agreement on benefit cuts was made).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yeah it’s fascinating how contract law now apparently supersedes all other law including the Bible, and must be kept inviolate and sacrosanct (for top execs of course).</p></blockquote>
<p>Seeing as how Congress hopes to write up a law punishing people through the tax code for accepting money to which they were entitled by like Monday, it would seem there is law which trumps contract law.  Of course, I doubt anyone here sees any potential for abuse in the Congress crafting ex post facto to attack unpopular people.  Nope.  No potential for abuse there.<br />
<blockquote>Somehow they seem to be able to be made to give back stuff that was given to them…</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, how much money has been recouped from UAW members since GM and Chrysler took a bailout?  Hell, the only automaker to finish a renegotation with the UAW so far has been Ford, and they didn&#8217;t cut pay (but an agreement on benefit cuts was made).</p>
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		<title>By: Rheinhard</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143311</link>
		<dc:creator>Rheinhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 04:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah it&#039;s fascinating how contract law now apparently supersedes all other law including the Bible, and must be kept inviolate and sacrosanct (for top execs of course).  When it comes to those little people, those schmucks in the auto industry, who only expend a mere 30 years in hard factory labor with the expectation they can retire with some dignity and live the American dream as a member of the middle class with only one piddly home - their labor contracts aren&#039;t worth the paper they&#039;re printed on!  They need to take pay cuts!  Benefit cuts!  And don&#039;t count on the retirement that was promised to you neither!  Somehow they seem to be able to be made to give back stuff that was given to them... but to try to retrieve stuff given to AIG Masters of the Universe, no that&#039;s beyond the pale!  

I never thought I&#039;d find myself in agreement with Charles &quot;Davros&quot; Krauthammer, but we really do need lots of brutal public executions, ASAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it&#8217;s fascinating how contract law now apparently supersedes all other law including the Bible, and must be kept inviolate and sacrosanct (for top execs of course).  When it comes to those little people, those schmucks in the auto industry, who only expend a mere 30 years in hard factory labor with the expectation they can retire with some dignity and live the American dream as a member of the middle class with only one piddly home &#8211; their labor contracts aren&#8217;t worth the paper they&#8217;re printed on!  They need to take pay cuts!  Benefit cuts!  And don&#8217;t count on the retirement that was promised to you neither!  Somehow they seem to be able to be made to give back stuff that was given to them&#8230; but to try to retrieve stuff given to AIG Masters of the Universe, no that&#8217;s beyond the pale!  </p>
<p>I never thought I&#8217;d find myself in agreement with Charles &#8220;Davros&#8221; Krauthammer, but we really do need lots of brutal public executions, ASAP.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Over Here</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143292</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Over Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:14:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should have been &quot;personal reading&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Michael Over Here</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143291</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Over Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 01:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, stupid on purpose is a big ask without any links. From my personal of the actually text of the Dodd amendment it specifically exempted pre-existing bonuses from being taxed by the tax increase in the stimulus. I haven&#039;t been able to find wording that explicitly protects bonuses like you&#039;re saying. Now if you&#039;re willing to link to a line in the bill that states otherwise we won&#039;t have to assume that you are in face POSTURING (in all caps for some reason). Or do you lie just because it&#039;s easier than being intellectually honest.

I&#039;m really serious on this one though, if you can link to text in the bill that protects bonuses then I&#039;m more than willing to concede this point to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, stupid on purpose is a big ask without any links. From my personal of the actually text of the Dodd amendment it specifically exempted pre-existing bonuses from being taxed by the tax increase in the stimulus. I haven&#8217;t been able to find wording that explicitly protects bonuses like you&#8217;re saying. Now if you&#8217;re willing to link to a line in the bill that states otherwise we won&#8217;t have to assume that you are in face POSTURING (in all caps for some reason). Or do you lie just because it&#8217;s easier than being intellectually honest.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really serious on this one though, if you can link to text in the bill that protects bonuses then I&#8217;m more than willing to concede this point to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143289</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 00:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, stop being stupid on purpose. 

The stimulus bill, signed by PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA (D) contained an amendment put into the bill by SENATOR CHRIS DODD (D) that protected any bonuses worked out before February 11, 2009. As such, Obama&#039;s rhetoric about the AG using &quot;any legal means necessary&quot; is a moot point. When he put his signature on that stimulus package, he signed away whatever legal means he may have had at his disposal.

So, as I&#039;ve said before and will say again: POSTURING. Let&#039;s add political grandstanding to the mix. Obama&#039;s &quot;outrage&quot; is a bunch of bullshit. They knew about the bonuses already and knew they had no legal means with which to stop payment on them.

The One fucked up. Deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, stop being stupid on purpose. </p>
<p>The stimulus bill, signed by PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA (D) contained an amendment put into the bill by SENATOR CHRIS DODD (D) that protected any bonuses worked out before February 11, 2009. As such, Obama&#8217;s rhetoric about the AG using &#8220;any legal means necessary&#8221; is a moot point. When he put his signature on that stimulus package, he signed away whatever legal means he may have had at his disposal.</p>
<p>So, as I&#8217;ve said before and will say again: POSTURING. Let&#8217;s add political grandstanding to the mix. Obama&#8217;s &#8220;outrage&#8221; is a bunch of bullshit. They knew about the bonuses already and knew they had no legal means with which to stop payment on them.</p>
<p>The One fucked up. Deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Repack Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143284</link>
		<dc:creator>Repack Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 23:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;if they break contract, they’re get the pants sued off of them.&lt;/i&gt;

So the GM workers get their contractually guaranteed pensions back?

As if.

I say DARE the bonus babies to take their case to court.  They are already a lot less popular than Bernie Madoff, but that isn&#039;t enough for them.   

Good luck on finding a sympathetic jury who think incompetence and corruption deserve a million dollar reward.  For that matter, good luck on finding a friend who doesn&#039;t make you pay extra for her time and the room, just because of who you are.  

After a few plaintiffs lost and paid the court costs, and after they found themselves shunned from both polite and rude society, I don&#039;t think we would hear from the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>if they break contract, they’re get the pants sued off of them.</i></p>
<p>So the GM workers get their contractually guaranteed pensions back?</p>
<p>As if.</p>
<p>I say DARE the bonus babies to take their case to court.  They are already a lot less popular than Bernie Madoff, but that isn&#8217;t enough for them.   </p>
<p>Good luck on finding a sympathetic jury who think incompetence and corruption deserve a million dollar reward.  For that matter, good luck on finding a friend who doesn&#8217;t make you pay extra for her time and the room, just because of who you are.  </p>
<p>After a few plaintiffs lost and paid the court costs, and after they found themselves shunned from both polite and rude society, I don&#8217;t think we would hear from the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Over Here</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143279</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Over Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SaveFarris, you idiot! As comments immediately proceeding yours stated: the AIG funds were exclusively handled by the Paulson in the previous administration. You&#039;re an idiot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SaveFarris, you idiot! As comments immediately proceeding yours stated: the AIG funds were exclusively handled by the Paulson in the previous administration. You&#8217;re an idiot!</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/03/17/conservative-leaders-for-aig-corporate-crooks/#comment-143278</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I continue to marvel at the ability of commentors on both sides to expound on the arcane details of payment agreements no one has seen.  In short, nobody knows jack about these bonuses, to whom they were paid, or on what basis they were awarded.&lt;/i&gt;

Most Open and Honest Administration EVAH!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I continue to marvel at the ability of commentors on both sides to expound on the arcane details of payment agreements no one has seen.  In short, nobody knows jack about these bonuses, to whom they were paid, or on what basis they were awarded.</i></p>
<p>Most Open and Honest Administration EVAH!</p>
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