A right-winger in academia, law professor Glenn Reynolds, links to a study about professors in college being overwhelmingly liberal. So what, I wonder. Conservatives act as if there’s a secret program to exclude conservatives from academic jobs. But there isn’t. It’s just most of the people who choose to go into that line of work are liberals. My guess is in the world of finance you’d find more conservatives than liberals, and not by any vast conspiracy. Then again, they’re probably not into tooting that horn so loudly right now.
The academic world requires you to have an open mind and study various view-points which might differ from your own. These are qualities that are pretty much anathema to conservatives, who are all about sticking to the party message even when it’s insane, and not criticizing their party masters (e.g., Steele licking Limbaugh’s nuts).
It’s no surprise that many professors are liberal, but certainly not all of them (I studied political science with Straussians at a supposedly “librul” institution. I didn’t agree, but they challenged me and for that I’m grateful.)
Hahaha. Translated Jaim: liberals like me are open minded and tolerant of viewpoints other than their own. And that is awesome. Most conservative troglodytes simply don’t possess these ideals, and therefore, most of academia is liberal.
What a puffed up sense of self worth your ideology has given you! I’m glad it works for you man. I would suggest a dose of .. humility, but from your postings, it looks like you are pretty far gone. Thanks for the laugh though.
I don’t think it’s quite as Jaim says, but rather more like this: the conservative thinks “why should I waste my time educating a bunch of ignorant goobers on a professor’s salary, when I can get a business degree and be making 7 figures on Wall Street? Yeah we need that sciencey stuff to make future iPhones and all, but I wanna be the CEO of the comapny employing the nerds so that I can reap all the benefits of their work! Ha ha waht losers – if they’re so smart why aren’t they rich?”
Rheinhard got it in one. To be a professor, you have to want the lifestyle of a professor, because it is not about the money.
Personally, I don’t think these sorts of stats are particularly meaningful. There are parts of academia that are, by definition, liberal. Think you’ll ever find many conservatives in women’s studies? Or racial studies? Most anything that has any political overtones is going to be liberal in the current university culture. What would be interesting is to see the leanings of professors in disciplines that have nothing to do with politics, such as hard sciences. I’d guess (but could certainly be wrong) that the breakdown wouldn’t be so lopsided to the left.
The academic world requires you to have an open mind and study various view-points which might differ from your own.
Kindly explain that to Professor Paula Anderson. In her class, a student wrote an essay on campus violence. He said that were students with concealed carry permits allowed to be armed on campus, they might have stopped some of the campus shootings. Professor Anderson reported him to the police, saying that “some of the other students felt threatened.”
Source: therecorderonline.net/2009/02/24/professor-called-police-after-student-presentation/
Or perhaps you should discuss the matter with Professor John Matteson. He required his students to give an informative speech during a speech class. One student talked about faith and marriage — and argued against gay marriage. Professor Matteson called the student a fascist, refused to let him finish his speech, and wrote on his paper, “ask God what your grade is.”
Source: http://www.alliancedefensefund.org/issues/religiousfreedom/default.aspx?cid=4826
If liberal professors were so hunky-dory with dissenting opinions, then organizations like FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education — http://www.thefire.org/index.php/ ) would have closed up shop ages ago, or never even existed.
J.
Econ departments tend to skew to the right, as a discipline. Political Science departments can be pretty right-wing as well, but they’d probably be more recognizable as libertarians and/or paleo-cons. They’d be the school of Republicans who loved Reagan but didn’t recognize any of his principles in the Republican party of George W. Bush (outrageous deficit spending, expansion of the Fed, intrusion on privacy and Constitutional rights, expensive and wasteful foreign occupations).
Hard sciences can be a mixed bag. I really like PZ Meyer’s blog Pharyngula (he’s a biologist):
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/10/sarah_palin_ignorant_and_antis.php
Business school departments are definitely heavily Republican. Law school departments are also more of a mixed bag. Medical schools too.
But it’s telling that Haplo9 didn’t actually try and refute any of my claims about how academia draws people who are comfortable with, if not excited by, exposing themselves to different opinions. The whole process of writing an MA or PHD thesis is all about taking an issue and then digesting every piece of information regarding it, regardless of its political orientation. This is not really something I could ever imagine Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh fans doing, since they’re all about manufacturing agreement by casting aspersions on people, ideas, and philosophies that differ from their own.
I mean, c’mon — one of the things that sank Kerry in 2004 was his inability to answer a question directly without giving three different potential opinions about it. Republicans called him a “flip-flopper,” and professional academics are basically paid to ingest new information and change their minds over time. For any Republican now to deny this is plain silly.
Although I agree the inability of Republicans to do nuance or understand an opposing argument in good faith, even if you will ultimately still disagree with it, makes them better suited to Wall Street.
And of course, they royally fucked that up, didn’t they?
1) How do we know that Mr. Wahlberg’s speech wasn’t somehow threatening or disturbing? Oh, that’s right, because Mr. Wahlberg and his right-wing advocates say it wasn’t.
2) How do we know that there was nothing objectionable in the speech of Prof. Matteson’s student? Oh right, because Prof. Matteson’s student and his right-wing advocates say there wasn’t.
If I were your professor, Jay, I’d give you an A for clear writing and proper citations of sources, but an F for a lack of critical thinking.
Wilbur, the campus police investigation (what they have released of it) shows that they consider the student to have posed no kind of threat whatsoever. And we have scans of Matteson’s comments on the student’s paper, with Matteson’s own words in his own handwriting telling the student to ask God about his grade.
If you don’t see that as compelling evidence (perhaps not convincing, but certainly compelling), especially in the Matteson case, then you are a willful fool.
I cited those because they were merely the most recent examples to come to mind. Feel free to poke through FIRE’s archives for countless more.
J.
I do love the, “a couple of professors did something kind of stupid, so this proves all liberal professors are close minded!” meme.
I’ve had left-wing professors, conservative professors, and professors I honestly had no clue of their political affiliation. None of them have ever shouted down another student’s opinions, no matter how dumb they might have been. But, it’s easier for conservative to just claim to be victims of the big, bad ivory tower-ites.
“I cited those because they were merely the most recent examples to come to mind. Feel free to poke through FIRE’s archives for countless more.”
So you chose those examples not because they were convincing, but because they were recent. And now you want us to do you research for you?
“But, it’s easier for conservative to just claim to be victims of the big, bad ivory tower-ites.”
I saw a lot of whining by conservative minded students at my college as well. I took some poli sci classes in a notoriously conservative and difficult department, and I did fine. I knew of guys who couldn’t get above a “C” and decided to play the victim card, since it’s the only thing they know. Against professors who had been students of Allan Bloom, of all people.
One of my best professors in graduate school was a noted conservative as well. Great teacher. Very tough too.
If cons spent more time working hard in college rather than calling for the whambulance, more of them might consider careers in academia.
If cons spent more time working hard in college rather than calling for the whambulance, more of them might consider careers in academia. –Jaims
You whined that you couldn’t get a job in America, later amended to a decent-paying job, because Bush failed you, so you moved to Korea. And conservatives are the ones who whine and are too afraid to go into academia?
You make fun of Randian philosophy, yet you are the liberal version of John Galt. Running away from this country because you don’t like the way it is, and hiding out in another country. But you say you will return when things get better.
And it’s the conservatives who are afraid?
Sounds like Jaims has some victimhood issues of his own that he feels he needs to transfer to others.
There are a few Rockefeller Republican professors, in my experience. Not so many Randies.
This ought to tweak you cons a bit. One of the my history professors describes the phenomenon this way: “How could an educated person remain conservative?”
This ought to tweak you cons a bit. One of the my history professors describes the phenomenon this way: “How could an educated person remain conservative?” Parthy
Being honest, Parthy. I see the ugliness that pervades liberal blogs, and I could never be a part of it. It’s too bad you are the exception.
“You whined that you couldn’t get a job in America, later amended to a decent-paying job, because Bush failed you, so you moved to Korea.”
Oh hey, it’s my biggest fan Dennis! For the nth time, I moved to Korea primarily for the pay, but as a close second to have a new experience living abroad. I didn’t whine, I put together a cover letter and my resume and got a gol-durn higher paying job that put me to better use as a productive wage-earner.
Why does this drive you so crazy? You do realize that it’s the 21st century, and that people move abroad for opportunities all the time? Try getting out of your mom’s basement once in a while and you’d realize. Hell, you might even talk to a girl for the first time. The world is your oyster Dennis, you crazy wing-nut you!
“you are the liberal version of John Galt”
Sorry, have to wipe some Diet Coke off my screen that just flew out of my nose. You are truly the gift of ricockulous comedy that keeps on giving, Dennis. Keep ‘em coming! But I appreciate the compliment — you’re saying I’ve absconded from America with my super-duper teaching powers in order to spite you and my fellow Americans and thereby MAKE AMERICA ZOMG FAILZORSSS!!!. Wow! You figured me out! And for my text trick, I shall invent time travel!
“But you say you will return when things get better.”
Did I? Because I really like it here. And I’ve got job offers for other countries that I’d like to vist/live in as well. So sorry to burst your bubble, but I might not be home for a while.
“And it’s the conservatives who are afraid?”
Constantly and without fail. Terror. 9/11. Terror. 9/11. (Remember that guy Giuliani, and what his whole campaign was about?) I’m honestly surprised that guys like you and Jay can order a pizza without soiling yourselves. Then again, maybe you can’t.
Sure there’s anecdotal evidence of the occasional left-wing professor acting unprofessional and being a dip-shit. I can also describe plenty of anecdotal evidence of professors in the sciences being lying, sexist a-holes. Does that mean that all, or even a large fraction of scientists in academia are misogynists who go out of their way to discourage women from entering the field? Of course not.
Professors in college tend to be liberal for the reasons already cited above. For one thing you have to love this job to be willing to work at this pay scale. I’m making now, in my early 40’s and after 7 years in graduate school, what some of my engineering friends in college made right after graduating with a BS. How many conservatives are willing to sacrifice the pay scale available in private business to teach a bunch of half-prepared kids who don’t really want to learn?
I love it when right-wingers take a moment from being really angry about black people getting an education to suddenly demand that there needs to be a quota system for anti-intellectuals.
Even funnier when coming from a tenured professor like Reynolds. If “Instapundit” had to have the academic quality of his blog included in his performance review at UTenn he’d be selling fake Louis Vitton handbags on a street corner right now. I wonder how he grades term papers that are nothing but someone else’s writing followed by “Heh, indeed?”
Wilbur, the campus police investigation (what they have released of it) shows that they consider the student to have posed no kind of threat whatsoever.
Nothing like that is said in the link you provided, or in any other news source I’ve read on the issue. Apparently no charges were filed, but that’s far cry from proving that the prof’s call the police was totally illegitimate.
And in the Matteson case the right-wing website you linked to has a scan of something purporting to be the prof’s evaluation of the student. I saw no information on that site about where the scan came from or how we know all the writing on it is Matteson’s
Look, here’s what I _suspect_ (but don’t know – I could be wrong!) happened in the Connecticut case: student makes a presentation mentioning his personal stash of firearms. Maybe he’s wearing a trenchcoat, maybe not, maybe he’s got a shaved head and an iron cross tattoo, maybe not. Maybe he spends the entire presentation leering and drooling at the blonde coed in the front row, maybe not. In any case, teacher gets the idea that he means his stash of weapons was on campus. Teacher remembers how people were saying that there were all sorts of warning signs with the VT killer that nobody did any thing about. Teacher gets a bit creeped out, talks to chair, chair talks to dean, everyone thinks about that VT killer and how if only someone had talked to the police… The student in this case may have been completely innocent both of lawbreaking and of nefarious thoughts, but it is still far from clear from the published reports that the teacher did anything wrong. You might call the cops on a guy you see skulking in the woods behind your house with a pair of binoculars. Cops come and interview the guy, find he’s a harmless birder who lost his way and let him go. Were you wrong to call the cops? (I realize this is a hypothetical since you’d obviously take out your legally licensed firearm and blow the guy away rather than calling the cops, but play along with me…).
In the Matteson case here’s what I _suspect_: teacher gives an assignment for an _informational_ presentation. Student ignores instructions for epideictic oratory and instead begins engaging in forensic anti-gay-marriage polemic. Student furthermore cites Bible as authority for what is proper and improper public policy, perhaps ignoring the teacher’s earlier warning about citing religious texts as authorities in front of crowds that do no necessarily share your religious convictions. Teacher loses his cool. If this scenario is somewhere near correct, then the student may have been a bit of an ass but the teacher was way off base to lay into the student like he did. Part of one’s responsibility as a professor is not being an asshole even when your students are. His chair and/or dean should haul him in and tell him to knock it off. If he has a pattern of such behavior sterner disciplinary action, including the possibility of dismissal, should be taken.
Point is, there’s a lot we don’t know about both cases, but to you the initial facts fit your preconceived scenario of snarling-left-wing-academic-thought-police-represses-angeic-unsuspecting-conservative, so getting the whole story just doesn’t matter to you.
If, back in my previous existence as a freshman comp instructor, you’d handed in your posts here as an essay, I would have graded you down – not because I disagreed with you politically but because you jump to conclusions and fail to provide sufficient corroboration for your arguments. If you are like many of my former students – left-wing and right-wing and no-wing – you might fail to understand that point on the first, second or third iteration and conclude that I just have a bug up my ass or that I disagree with you politically. That, I _suspect_ is what’s behind a lot of complaints of this sort one commonly finds on sites like fire. That being said, there are a lot of hamfisted jerks in every profession, and academia is no exception.
Dennis: “You whined that you couldn’t get a job in America…”
Weren’t you the one who was complaining that Ed was stalking you for bringing up the same question over and over again?
Now you are doing the same to Jaim.
I guess that makes you a hypocrite, as well as sexist, bigot, just plain dumb, etc.
I never complained one bit about MIster ed’s obsession with me, I just pointed it out. It is what it is. Same with yours and Jaim’s strange infatuation, too.
The hypocrisy lies with you two. Neither one of you does jack for this country, yet you’re both obsessed with running down people who do.
Student ignores instructions for epideictic oratory and instead begins engaging in forensic anti-gay-marriage polemic. Student furthermore cites Bible as authority for what is proper and improper public policy
Exactly. I can’t tell you how many times I have asked students to write an informed essay on the scientific evidence for the Big Bang, and have had handed in to me a personal essay on why the Big Bang is not scientific*, and how the Bible is a better source for knowledge. I just gave a big fat “F” on a final paper for just that reason (or unreason, as the case may be.) I’m still waiting for the day when someone accuses me of “persecuting” him/her for his/her religious beliefs.
*did you know, for example, that the Big Bang violates both the conservation of mass and energy? There should be a Nobel prize in there somewhere…
As a teacher, I would say there is a liberal bias in education to a degree. Part of it is self-perpetuating; my education professors will all liberal and were somewhat heavy-handed about it. As a moderate-liberal myself, I had a heated discussion with a professor about punishing students for calling each other “gay”. He argued it was a hate crime, I argued that I didn’t want to be the thought police. I also agree that conservatives in general prefer to put the knowledge into practice – ie. Poli Sci majors don’t want to teach government, they want to be politicians. Neither right nor wrong nor good nor bad, just seems to be that way.
That said, I think education in general is a field that does connect well to progressive philosophy. In simplified terms, progressives have always sought equality and education goes a long way towards that. Conservative philosophy is much more sink-or-swim and social darwinism – read the bell curve, for example. It’s not good or bad, but it does make it less likely for you to say I want to help all students, when your basic philosophy is that some people cannot be helped.
I agree with previous posters that certain fields tend to be biased one way or another. I’m in a southern private school and we’ve got a hardcore republican teaching honors government and a more liberal one teaching college prep. Our science department is a bit more conservative, except for biology and so forth. I think it’s good to have the kids exposed to a variety of viewpoints (coming from an Ohio public school where a student asked me “what’s evolution”) but I also think that an affirmative action program to get more professors in is a bad idea.
*did you know, for example, that the Big Bang violates both the conservation of mass and energy? There should be a Nobel prize in there somewhere…
My favorite is that evolution violates the second law of thermodynamics. That Darwin! What a dummy!
Tell a student who writes that that he’s just plain wrong and you may find yourself mentioned on the pages of ‘fire’.
This is one area where the conservatives are the real relativists: All viewpoints (as long as they’re conservative ones) are equally valid – whether they’re right or wrong has no bearing.
Now, of course, if a student makes a speech promoting gun ownership and concealed-carry permits, and the teacher suppresses his/her sense of unease and says nothing. . . and three weeks later there’s a school shooting involving that student, the teacher’s decision to say nothing will be applauded by the RWNM because.. . . why?
You make fun of Randian philosophy
Yeah, well, it’s pretty fucking easy to make fun of, so why the hell not?
It is what it is.
Indeed. I’m just point out Right Wing nuttery. That’s it. That’s all. Kind of like when O-Dub pointed out how weird putting ashes on foreheads is weird. Just an observation.
I love it when right-wingers take a moment from being really angry about black people getting an education to suddenly demand that there needs to be a quota system for anti-intellectuals.
Your modern conservative movement in the U.S. (i.e., the modern Republican party) in a nutshell.
What a puffed up sense of self worth your ideology has given you! I’m glad it works for you man. I would suggest a dose of .. humility, but from your postings, it looks like you are pretty far gone. Thanks for the laugh though.
Shorter Haplo9: You’re wrong because you’re wrong! You just are! Sucks to be you, Wrongy McWrongster! Take that! Ha!
What the hell is academia
I see the ugliness that pervades liberal blogs, and I could never be a part of it.
And yet you’re here, every day, morning noon and night.
I see the ugliness that pervades liberal blogs, and I could never be a part of it.
Easy clutching your pearls there, dearie, you may harm them.
IF you’re so turned off by Teh Ugly Liberal Blogs, I just hope you never encounter a Free Republic thread, Michael Savage rant, or Sarah Palin rally. Cause that’s some ugliness there. For reals.
Southern Strategy bloviated:So you chose those examples not because they were convincing, but because they were recent. And now you want us to do you research for you?
I chose the two most recent that stuck in my mind because they were the most timely ones, and ones I found convincing. I tossed in FIRE’s records for more, but I thought the two adequate.
The basic premise is: academia is extremely dominated by liberals — quite possibly more than the Democratic party dominates Massachusetts. That in and of itself is not grounds for complaint. But when that supermajority engages in discrimination and oppression based on that ideology, then it needs to be confronted.
Here are two cases where there is compelling reason to believe that such is being practiced. Simply concocting a plausible explanation as Wilbur did is not sufficient. Both students are on record with a contradicting account, and both schools are silent on their version.
In the case of the student who was called in over his 2nd Amendment presentation, there is a complaint filed with the campus police. In the case of the gay marriage one, there is an evaluation form with a note saying to “ask God” about his grade.
And in both cases, there ought to be a classful of witnesses to the events in question.
J.
I keep it pretty much polite, though, Oliver and Mister ed.
I don’t go to Free Republic forums, or listen to Michael Savage. I did go to a couple of Sarah Palin rallies, and the people there were fine. Even stood next to a group of people holding up Obama signs, and no one said a word to them. Didn’t see one bit of ugliness the whole time. Guess you have to go looking for it like the guy with the video recorder asking people questions as people went it in. That or you have to make it up like the reporter in Scranton who couldn’t get anyone else to back him up, including the Secret Service who looked into it.
I’m a graduate student in psychology (almost freaking done, hallelujah!), and I can say that in my experience, in both undergrad and grad school, my professors have been near-universally liberal. There have been a couple that didn’t make their leanings known, but other than that, they’ve been liberal all the way.
Here’s the thing: There is no great conspiracy to keep conservatives out of academia. The faculty in my department, liberal though they may be, don’t give a flying fuck about your political leanings with respect to your skill in science. All they care about: Do you do interesting and important research? Do you publish? Can you teach multiple classes? Etc.
I think people above have hit the nail on the head – liberals are more likely to want these academic jobs than conservatives.
But on top of that, whining conservatives demonstrate another reason why they don’t have these jobs. They see that most professors are liberal, and the first thing they jump to is, “That’s horrible! There must be some sort of ivory-tower conspiracy to keep conservatives out!” This conclusion displays a stunning lack of critical thinking skills. Sorry, if you’re going to work in science (or in most fields as a professor), you have to be able to think critically and without bias on information. And conservatives over the last decade or more have clearly demonstrated that this not, as a group, their cup of tea.
I did go to a couple of Sarah Palin rallies, and the people there were fine.
Well, they are your people; of course you thought they were fine. Lovely bunch. Really. Bravo, old sport.
Guess you have to go looking for it like the guy with the video recorder asking people questions as people went it in.
Oh noes! He asked questions! Of all the nerve! Well, that explains everything. Dadgum liberals and their video cameras asking questions, exposing the Republican base for what it is! No wonder you have to spend your days clutching your pearls so tightly. It’s a tough world out there.
I don’t go to Free Republic forums, or listen to Michael Savage.
You should read and hear what your people are saying (to a large audience, sadly enough). It’s way worse than anything you’ll read or hear from the closest liberal equivalent (and, it should go without saying, no real equivalence exists, no matter how hard Non-reality Based try to make it so).
The basic premise is: academia is extremely dominated by liberals
Right. So’s the media.
And the moon landings were a hoax.
Being honest, Parthy. I see the ugliness that pervades liberal blogs, and I could never be a part of it. It
Being honest, Parthy. I see the ugliness that pervades liberal blogs, and I could never be a part of it.
Oh, I’ve been flamed some on the con blogs, myself. All in good fun, I think. Providing the digital opposition is extremely valuable – it’s my belief that a blog is only as good as its trolls. Who wants to read witty versions of ‘YEAH! EXACTLY!’ over and over?
>But it’s telling that Haplo9 didn’t actually try and refute any of my claims about how academia draws people who are comfortable with, if not excited by, exposing themselves to different opinions.
You’re right, I was busy making fun of you for being a puffed up snob. You made a claim with no evidence. I will “refute” it by asking if you have any evidence for this legendary liberal tolerance. I’ve seen very few examples of what you say – liberals, as is human nature, prefer opinions that they already agree with and shun those that they don’t. Would you honestly claim that the denizens of this website are “comfortable” or “excited by” opinions that disagree with their own worldview? I certainly wouldn’t. The most common reaction of liberals to dissenting viewpoints that I’ve seen is the same as that by conservatives – attack the messenger, avoid the message. I’m sorry, but liberals have the exact same all too human failings as everyone else. Your claim that liberals in academia are somehow immune to this is just wishful thinking.
Also, to claim that people go into academia from some kind of altruistic desire to help people or challenge themselves is kind of silly:
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2007/04/12/salaries
Theres some money in them thar hills! Who woulda thunk it!
You’re right, I was busy making fun of you for being a puffed up snob.
Oh snap! Good one! Zing! You be da man, Haplo9!
Also, to claim that people go into academia from some kind of altruistic desire to help people or challenge themselves is kind of silly:
Yeah, no one ever ever ever does that. Ever. Right. But go ahead and keep believing that nonsense if it gets you through the day. And thanks for the worthless link.
Yup, Haplo… the reason people go through 4-6 years of postgraduate work, followed often by 1-3 years of post-doc work, living on scraps, is because of the oh-so-massive salary that they are to receive as a college professor. Why, you can earn six figures after you become a full professor! Which almost always takes a decade or more, because of the tenure-track system. So yes, by the time you’re… oh, around 40 or so, you MIGHT be able to earn $100,000 in a year. That is, of course, if you get tenure the first place you work – if you don’t, you’re back to assistant faculty in a new school. And another decade or so before you earn the big bucks.
While I don’t necessarily agree it’s typically out of an altruistic streak that people become college profs, it’s almost certainly not because the massive paychecks that await them when they land their first job at 30-32 years of age.
You’re a fucking moron. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Theres some money in them thar hills! Who woulda thunk it!
Lets look at those numbers a bit more closely, shall we?
The average pay at the Professor level is around $100,000 at public institutions, and about 20% higher at private institutions. That’s the after 5-7 years of graduate eduction, 2-5 years as a post-doc (at least!), 5-6 years as an un-tenured assistant professor, and maybe 5 years as an associate. Since it’s an average number, lets also assume that the folks making the average have been at the Professor level for ~3 years.
So, with 15 to 23 years of education and experience beyond my bachelor’s degree, I can hope to pull down in the low six figures as a full Professor.
Yipee.
“liberals, as is human nature, prefer opinions that they already agree with and shun those that they don’t.”
This coming from a guy who belongs to the party of Grand Chairman Limbaugh. LOL.
I got college education from mostly liberal professors who made me read everything from Karl Marx to Allan Bloom and Irving Kristol. That was my experience.
Please tell us about yours.
Republicans can’t deal with ideas other than the ones they’re comfortable with. Me? I’m perfectly happy to pick apart and deconstruct the sham “philosophies” of the current right because they’re so piss-poorly constructed.
Jay, I’m sure a professor at a CAC (Conservative-Approved College) like Oral Roberts University or Bob Jones University or Liberty University or Hillsdale College or Brigham Young University would heartily applaud a student who argued in favor of the legalization of gay marriage (massive rolling of eyes).
Nice straw man, daniel. Care to cite a few examples?
Congrats. I think you managed to hit every single conservative religious college, including the three more laughable ones. It really does seem like an epidemic, doesn’t it?
Students who don’t care for the philosophies of those schools have zillions of alternatives available to them. The number of schools who take the “liberal” part of “liberal arts” a bit too literally, though… those are the ones that dominate.
J.
Jay Tea: “The number of schools who take the “liberal” part of “liberal arts” a bit too literally, though… those are the ones that dominate.”
Yes, Jay Tea. And now, do you want to try to strain your brain and posit a likely scenario as to WHY professors tend to be liberal? There are perfectly good reasons for this phenomenon. Hint: I talk about it above.
Care to cite a few examples?
I’ve got one for you JayTea – a student at the University of the Cumberlands was expelled for coming out on a blog. Not only that, but they tried to give him straight “F”’s for the semester, in spite of the fact that he was an honors student.
SQ: Really? That’s so fucked up…
SQ: Really? That’s so fucked up…
To you and me and the rest of Team Reality Based it’s fucked up. To Team Right Wing it’s standard operating procedure. To them it’s no big deal: the kid was a fruit, he had it coming.
Sounds like the student ought to contact FIRE, SQ. They are officially non-partisan, so it’d be a natural for them.
And for the record: if that’s what happened, the school administration is composed of major assholes who need to be run through the wringer.
J.
Jay, do you really think a student arguing in favor of gay marriage at any of the schools I mentioned would be treated fairly by his/her professor?