No you didn’t. You claimed the person who came up with the GOP policy was less knowledgeable about HIS OWN MOTIVES than you are. That’s not addressing the quote, that’s pretending it doesn’t exist.

This was the guy at the heart of the GOP political machine for a decade. You are some loser with a Blog. Or some loser who used to have a Blog.

“No, you moron. By your own description, Atwater didn’t ‘form’ anything. Your argument is that he took a bunch of pre-existing positions and beliefs and consolidated them into the infamous ‘Southern Strategy.’”

No. He took the old “Southern Strategy”, which he described as, ‘Nigger, Nigger, Nigger!’ and changed it into its current form. He changed it. It helped create it in its current form.

He knows why it did the thinks he did more than you do.

“There were plenty of people, for plenty of reasons, who believed in each element that you cited.”

It doesn’t matter. The heart of the GOP strategy is racist. It doesn’t matter that you can want lower taxes and not be racist. (Well, you can’t. Because you are racist.) What matters is the GOP decided to be the party of smaller taxes to appeal to racist people.

And they haven’t changed. Attacking illegal immigration is the perfect example now. If the problem was illegal immigration, they wouldn’t complain about have a Spanish language debate. You wouldn’t have Bill O’Reilly claiming Democrats are trying to use immigration to tear down the ‘White, Christian, power base.’

“And since when did Atwater get canonized? At what point did his every word become Gospel? When did he acquire infallibility?”

When talking about what he did and why, his word is gospel. Who else should we trust on the matter? You?

Me: “Because you are a racist asshole.”
“Or will you be late for a Klan meeting and unable to respond?”

Oh, just fuck off and die.

Face it, Mr. Thayer. The reason you work so hard to minimize the Southern Strategy is because it is racist, and it reminds you that you are racist.

Admit it, when you think of a welfare recipient, you think of a black woman with ‘too many kids’. Am I right?

And then you go off on a bunch of ad hominem attacks. That’s not a complaint, mind you — I’ve come to use you as a negative touchstone. The more you disapprove of me, the more confident I am that I’m on the right track.

Which is why you support the GOP Policies he helped form.

No, you moron. By your own description, Atwater didn’t “form” anything. Your argument is that he took a bunch of pre-existing positions and beliefs and consolidated them into the infamous “Southern Strategy.” There were plenty of people, for plenty of reasons, who believed in each element that you cited. Atwater added NOTHING. He created nothing.

Except he’s the one who designed these policies. So who knows more about their origins than he does?

As you yourself noted, the specifics were already long-standing before Atwater came up with his “Southern Strategy.” And he’s been dead a long time.

And since when did Atwater get canonized? At what point did his every word become Gospel? When did he acquire infallibility?

Because you are a racist asshole.

Or will you be late for a Klan meeting and unable to respond?

Oh, just fuck off and die. I don’t know why I even pretend to take you seriously. I have more respect for the dog shit I scraped off my shoe last night. At least it doesn’t have pretensions of integrity. It’s perfectly honest about what it is.

J.

Which is why you support the GOP Policies he helped form.
Because you are a racist asshole.

“Atwater’s analysis was also wrong. He was coupling racism with policies that are not innately racial.”

Except he’s the one who designed these policies. So who knows more about their origins than he does?

Certainly not you.

Me: “Here’s a quote from Lee Atwater that J.G.Thayer will never address directly…”

J.G.Thayer: “Guess that makes you a lying liar… by your own standards (such as they are), of course.”

Except you didn’t address it. You dismissed it.

The quote shows that racism is at the core of the GOP position on nearly every topic. They use racism at the basis of their tax policy. Lee Atwater admitted as much, and he’s the one who helped create it.

You didn’t address that issue, you instead choose to claim the person who was at the heart of the matter was wrong.

That’s not addressing the quote. That’s burying your head in the sand.

The GOP uses racism as a guide in everything from states rights to taxes. So says the man who helped create these policies 20 odd years ago. You saying he is wrong about his motives is not addressing the issue, it’s running away.

Do I have to say it in another way? Or will you be late for a Klan meeting and unable to respond?

Right. You should keep on pretending that the modern Republican party isn’t the party of Lee Atwater, straw boy.

Address it? Yeah, sure. Atwater was an asshole. I didn’t like him when he was alive, I didn’t like him when he had his deathbed come-to-Jesus moment almost 20 years ago, and I don’t like him now.

Atwater’s analysis was also wrong. He was coupling racism with policies that are not innately racial. There are compelling arguments to be made on the issues he raised — busing, state’s rights, taxes. Race is not the be-all and end-all of everything.

It’s much like the stock liberal answer on gun control. It’s blaming the tool for the way it is used. If racists support lower taxes, then the only reason someone would support lower taxes is because they’re racist. If parents don’t want their kids bused to another school, it’s not because they don’t want their kids to spend an hour or more each way on a bus, it’s because they want their kids protected from those people. And people who would much rather have power in the hands of their state government, with officials they can more readily contact and influence, and not in Washington, DC, then they must be segregationists at heart.

It’s simplistic, it’s stupid, and it’s quintessentially Strowbridge.

Here’s a quote from Lee Atwater that J.G.Thayer will never address directly…

Guess that makes you a lying liar… by your own standards (such as they are), of course.

J.

Yeah but do you remember the “Number ! story on the Countdown” was his appearance on The Simpsons?

We get it, Keith.

Oh, and I’d pay money never to see or hear Michael Musto ever again.

The defense rests. Thank you for making my point, Jay.

Here’s a quote from Lee Atwater that J.G.Thayer will never address directly…

“You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nigger, nigger, nigger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nigger”—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now [that] you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.”

See that last part? The Republican economic policy is rooted in the Southern Strategy. as described by Lee Atwater himself.

But go ahead, Mr.Thayer, and pretend the problem doesn’t exist. That will certainly help the GOP remain a minority for a long, long time.

I like him being smarmy. Too often liberals are too willing to be polite to opposing views, even the ones that are powerfully retarded.

Like the recent talk of a spending freeze.

Yes, that’s it Jay, pretend there’s no such thing as the Southern Strategy. Checked out a Palin rally video lately?

But compared to Tucker Carlson or Falafel O’Reilly, he’s a regular Socrates.

All you and Dennis have done, Jay, is spew verbiage about Dem talking heads, none of whom has ever shown the actual, awesome power to make a Democratic politician change his or her words for fear of incurring Rush’s anger at not following his dictatorial reign.

I mean, it’s cute how you and Dennis try and converse like adults, but it just ends up showing how infantile and asinine you truly are. And further, why not just embrace it? If Rush is such a great asset, and his belief that he and the other cons must a) hope Obama, and therefore America fails and b) avoid trying to grow the “Big Tent” of the GOP since it’s a waste of time, despite the fact that demographic trends show that without some black, hispanic, or female votes changing to “R,” the party is literally doomed, why not just come out and say to Obama’s face “Damn right he’s my leader! My porcine, drug-addicted, possibly pedophilic, thrice-divorced leader! Hurrah!” Stick it to the man, Jay and Dennis!

Just face the facts. A sweaty drug-addict who enjoys sex tourism is your spiritual and intellectual leader. Amen.

David Duke / Sarah Palin 2012!!!

J.G.Thayer: “Not really, Strowbridge. As I said, I don’t care much for either of them. And since I don’t work for Media Matters, nobody’s paying me to watch them.”

Translation: ‘I have no evidence either way, but by god I have made up my mind and nothing will change it!’

“And all your point shows is that Olbermann is not a complete, utter, self-obsessed prick, who is — on one or two occasions — not totally beyond self-awareness.”

And that’s more evidence than you’ve given, so I guess you admit I’m right and you are wrong.

“Maybe it’s all part of the Great Southern Strategy ™ conspiracy or something… ”

Strangely enough, you are more obsessed with the Southern Strategy than I am. You’ve brought it up more often than I have in the past week or so.

And all your point shows is that Olbermann is not a complete, utter, self-obsessed prick, who is — on one or two occasions — not totally beyond self-awareness.

Maybe it’s all part of the Great Southern Strategy ™ conspiracy or something…

J.

Olbermann has declared himself the “Worst Person in the World” on at least two occasions. That doesn’t sound like the person you described. That sounds like someone who can laugh at himself.

Can you list examples of the other two doing the same?

I think you’re starting to stretch the limits of quantum physics here, Duros… the egos of all three men come close to being off the charts. In Limbaugh’s case, it’s part of his schtick, and with O’Reilly it’s more of a pompous windbag thing. Olbermann just comes across as a smarmy “I’m so much smarter than everyone else” prick. I find all three of them irritating, with Olbermann just a smidgen more so than the others.

J.

That’s cause you haven’t come up with a good response yet.

And it’s pissing you off.

You’re mad that Jaim’s come up with a question you can’t answer, so you are attacking him for asking it.

Yeah, O’Reilly accuses American troops of committing war crimes when it was the Nazis that did so, and it’s Olbermann who is at fault.

Wow. You are simply too stupid to function in the real world.

Oh. Well, if you say so. glad we cleared that one up.