I see both lists as containing blind ideologists, sociopaths or enablers of the sociopathic in nature – as in full of ‘those who live for the moment without any fear of consequence or retribution’.

I know that SaveFarris isn’t taking the day off, but really busy right now working on research that’s gonna knock our socks off.

Today’s R is full of BS. Their unrestricted (except for morality and military and war against Islam and unions and some other shiny stuff) “freedom and liberty” inadvertently creates cycles of “freedom and liberty” and then ‘slavery and fear’ for most of us. D seems better at trying to limit freedom for the sociopathic and ignorant types who the primary culprits behind such cycles, prefering to try and give the rest of us more consistent “freedom and liberty”.

Until SaveFarris returns, all he’s proven is that R is all about cherry picking facts, and I’m happy to oblige him.

Not sure I can find it again (I’ll post a link if I can. I think I did once in another thread.) but I saw an analysis of this once covering something like the last 60 years or so. Economic growth as measured by a number of factors (gov’t spending (including and excluding military), CPI, GDP, tax rates, Dow, etc. for both a president’s term and, as you suggested, a one year lag.

Bottom line: Under Democratic administrations taxes were generally lower, growth was higher, government spending was down. Just about every measure was “better” under Dem leadership than under Republican.

DJ lost half it’s value in 1975. I guess that means Gerald Ford was a crappy President, yes?

And I guess it would also mean that most of Carter’s troubles were inherited, yes? By a crappy Republican President.

“Ode to Carter Second Term”

Welcome back,
Your dreams were your ticket out.

Welcome back,
To that same old place that you laughed about.

Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and they’re turned around.

Who’d have thought they’d lead ya (Who’d have thought they’d lead ya)
Here where we need ya (Here where we need ya)

Yeah we tease him a lot cause we’ve hot him on the spot, welcome back,
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

I’m going to take a wild guess and say you’ve never taken a college-level econ course. Because that’s a pretty dumb statement, even by Republican standards.

Unemployment rate is much more telling, along with average salaries.

Not surprisingly, the unemployment rate jumped under Bush II, and wages were stagnant as they have been ever since Clinton was president.

A healthy stock market is fine to have, but it’s more important for lower and middle class working people, rather than trust fund babies, to have good jobs, buy things from stores, and pay taxes.

If presidential success if measured by the Dow, then Bush W. was a ginormous failure.

Best president of all time? Bill Clinton. Not sure why the wingnuts here hate him so.

That said, feel free to come back in three years and ten months and praise our president for digging us out of a Republican-made mess. In the meantime, please stop hoping for America to fail. It’s pretty disgusting behavior (not that I’d expect any better for our resident bed-wetting chickenhawks).

It’s really all one needed to say, isn’t it?

No it’s not.

Farris? And why’s it spelled with an “a” anyways?

Farris?

Clinton
Jan 1994 3978
Jan 2002 9920

Bush
Jan 2002 9920
Jan 2010 6800 (est)

Figures you would pick an investment that’s devalued when someone finds a shiny rock, in the ground.

Want a healthy economy? Vote Republicans for Congress.

I’d rather live in a poor economy than one where homosexuality, abortion, sex outside of marriage, science, and “heresy” are illegal, thank you very much.

And that’s assuming, of course, that correlation = causation.

DJIA = 3800 in Jan 1995

Avg. gain with Clinton/Dem Congress: 250 points a year
Avg. gain w/ Clinton/Rep. Congress: 1133 points a year

And just for kicks because you know it’s coming…

DJIA = 8700 in Jan 2003
DJIA = 12500 in Jan 2007

Avg. gain w/ Bush/Dem (and/or tied) Congress: -950 points a year
Avg. gain w/ Bush/Rep. Congress: 950 points a year

Want a healthy economy? Vote Republicans for Congress.

Any questions, wingnutz?

By the way, I forget, what the the Wall Street Journal, Republican Senators, and usual suspect Right Wingers tell us would happen to the Dow after the marginal marginal tax increase in 1993?

In other words, it’s not only the stock market or mortgages or new car sales, it’s a perfect storm brought about by years (think Reagan) of deregulation and unsound fiscal policy and deregulation. In other words, our collective greed as a society (and individually, thanks to the likes of Bernie Madoff and Allen Stanford) finally caught up with us.

Hell, I even bought into it, putting the bulk of my retirement money in stock-based 401Ks with no guarantee of payout. What I didn’t do was listen to the mortgage broker when he told me I could qualify for much more house than I wanted to buy. So I’m only partially screwed.