Last night I was watching CNBC and on-air anchor Michelle Caruso Cabrera was trying to make the point (while rudely talking over Ron Insana) that the fortunes of Main Street and Wall Street were one and the same. That just isn’t true.
Main Street is the backbone of America, the small businesses and institutions that keep America running. Wall Street has an important role as well, but unlike Main Street, the business interests of Wall Street see America’s growth as a side feature – not a central goal. The current crisis we face was a combination of madness in the markets of Wall Street combined with a lack of oversight that reached its high point under the previous administration. The problem is, it is Main Street that is suffering the most. There are no golden parachutes in the small business world in the way that absolute failure on Wall Street results in multi-million dollar sums for guys whose business savvy is less than your average Joe making a living at McDonald’s.
It isn’t that President Obama doesn’t want Wall Street to succeed, but he’s clearly not willing to do it at the expense of Main Street, which is the position being advocated by CNBC and yes, the right. Wall follows Main in this presidency, which is the exact opposite of the previous administration’s priorities. President Obama, from today’s press conference:
What I’m looking at is not the day-to-day gyrations of the stock market, but the long-term ability for the United States and the entire world economy to regain its footing. And, you know, the stock market is sort of like a tracking poll in politics. It bobs up and down day to day, and if you spend all your time worrying about that, then you’re probably going to get the long-term strategy wrong.
Wall Street has the megaphones, and they’ve been trying – more so as the stock market loses more value – to get Obama to cater to their needs. It doesn’t look like it, and I hope he continues his dedication to making things right for the rest of us first and foremost – a process by which the titans of finance will eventually profit.
Wall St/Main St. Another ‘wedge’ being pounded by Obama *yawn*
What does Obama know about Wall St? What does he know about Main St?? What does he know about anything?
The market is bit*h slapping his economic catastrophe.
Russia just spanked him on his incredibly naive Iranian proposal.
This guy is materializing into the complete joke we knew he would be.
Wall St. is the one pushing the wedge, like the right they’re a bunch of WATBs.
your point is good, and needs to be re-iterated louder: most of Main Street does NOT trade on Wall Street.
that being the case, Obama is well served as a politician to cater to the votes, as compared to the dollars. Looks like Wall Street doesn’t understand that.
Time for an education, I guess: Civics 101…..
‘your’==oliver….sorry–wasn’t clear
Here ya go right from the New York Times. Read it and weep.
Me, I’ll just sit back and smile.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/03/opinion/03brooks.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss
joaquin: This guy is materializing into the complete joke we knew he would be.
There goes little j, talking about himself again.
Wow. This is wrong on so many levels it isn’t even funny. I’ll respond on my own blog. Short version: Michelle Caruso Cabrera is 100% right.
You’re citing a David Brooks column. Are you a) so dumb you didn’t notice or b) so stupid you didn’t think we’d notice?
Jay, I’m totally shocked you’d find a right-wing blowhard in the media to be correct.
joaquin – Sensible moderate David “Bobo” Brooks?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!11!1eleven
Take it away, Joe…
Ah yes, everyone that questions Obama is a RIGHT-WING BLOWHARD. Well, color me shocked!
It’s nice to see that you and Sean D. Martin have graduate degrees from the school of name-calling. Name-calling, the last bastion of small minds.
There’s a couple of cold Heinekens with my name on them calling me. See ya.
I’m totally shocked you’d find a right-wing blowhard in the media to be correct. Oliver Willis
Oliver, how about that other right-wing blowhard in the media, Rick Santelli? How’s that astroturfing story coming along; his being a plant and a puppet of his big-money right wing overlords?
I can’t seem to find the Playboy article anymore to get any updates. What gives? This was big news.
Santelli is a blow hard being pushed by the right and the MSM as a top spokesman, the Playboy story turns out to be incorrect, yet the basic facts of Santelli’s myths aren’t in question.
That would be a conspiracy. And we all know that only Republicans believe in conspiracies. No one in the Reality-Based community would ever believe in magical conspiracies.
So, you’re going with “Fake but Accurate” here?
joaquin: It’s nice to see that you and Sean D. Martin have graduate degrees from the school of name-calling. Name-calling, the last bastion of small minds.
Astounding how often you can look in a mirror and yet still blindly think you see the faces of other people.
Ah yes, everyone that questions Obama is a RIGHT-WING BLOWHARD. Well, color me shocked!
David Brooks has been a right wing blowhard and stereotyping Middle and Coastal America since before Obama entered into national politics. The same David Brooks who told women that they should be popping babies between the ages of 20 and 40. The David Brooks that talked about the Applebee’s salad bar? That David Brooks?
Obama gets mainstreet because his roots are there just as they’ve been all of his life.
As for opinions, how often has David Brooks been right? Or “Smilin’” Bill Krystal? Or Chucky Krauthammer? Or the King of Crass, Limbaugh?
Little or never.
All do a lot of talking but have actually done very in their lives, everything is so abstract to them that they no empathy for ordinary people. They are very comfortable (wealthy) men who wouldn’t give people that believe their crap, like dennis and his succubi here, a nod “hello” when passing.
Yet somehow they’re still on the talking head circuit. I used to wonder why but know I know it’s only to represent the end-timers like dennis the eternal GOP sphicter and joachim del pinhead. Understandable.
Getting a rational thought out of anyone with that mindset is like catching the smell of a fart with a spoon so give up trying.
They’re only good for laffs.
Of course he left off the rest of the sentence which was “So what am I supposed to do? Go in the fetal position because of your market?”
Has anything President Obama done seem like the thing someone would do if they were interested in seeing anything related to a market-driven economy survive, let alone succeed? If you decided, on 20090120, to eliminate the function a stock exchange serves in the American economy, what would you have done differently from the Obama Administration?
I dunno, the fact that the first person got a job which pays obscene amounts of money for failure, while the second guy is working at McDonald’s would imply the first guy at some point in his life had a little more business savvy than the guy asking if he wants fries with that. But hey, don’t let me get in the way of a nice populist meme.
would imply the first guy at some point in his life had a little more business savvy than the guy asking if he wants fries with that
This would indicate that you believe that corporate America works on the concept of a meritocracy rather than what it is more often than it should be: an aristocracy.
Former supporter, Jim Cramer now goes nuclear on Obama:
“This is the greatest wealth destruction I’ve seen by a president.”
If you decided, on 20090120, to eliminate the function a stock exchange serves in the American economy, what would you have done differently from the Obama Administration?
Well, personally, I would’ve started with public executions…
No, it’s not that everyone who questions Obama is a right-wing blowhard…
But Brooks has very long established blowhard (and clueless asshat) credentials built up looooong before now.
I mean really, remind me again what exactly are Brooks’ accomplishments that I should even give a flying fuck what he thinks about anything?
joaquin: “There’s a couple of cold Heinekens with my name on them calling me. See ya.” In my experience, there are few people that drink Heinekens that aren’t complete douchebags. Thanks for verifying that point. Also, why don’t you buy American, asshat?
Dennis, just because he formerly supported Obama in any capacity doesn’t make Jim Cramer’s negative current opinion any more valid.
Other examples: Jane Roe regretting her role in establishing federally-protected abortion rights. Her backtracking on it now does not mean that she was wrong before.
Additionally, what creationists try to pull re: Darwin’s “deathbed retraction.” First of all, it’s a crock of shit – he never recanted his theory. But besides that, even if he had, his theory would have been no less valid because of it, and his retraction would have been useless as a scientific argument against evolutionary theory.
Furthermore, Jim Cramer is an asshat who’s been proven to be wrong much of the time. Forgive me if I don’t listen to him on this one.
“(T)he stock market is sort of like a tracking poll in politics. It bobs up and down day to day, and if you spend all your time worrying about that, then you’re probably going to get the long-term strategy wrong.”
Here is the DOW-JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE since the passage of the stimulus bill:
Yeah, it might bob up and down slightly, but the overall trend is IT’S STEADILY GOING DOWN.
Barack Obama: Certified Financial Jeenius
To quote Pvt Hudson from the movie ‘Aliens’:
“We’re on an express elevator to Hell. Going down!”
Yeah, I agree with Zython. If I wanted to end the function of the stock market I would have issued orders to SHUT DOWN THE STOCK MARKET!
I need to remind daily that SFC B, Dennis and Jay are on the fringe of American society. You are bordering on looney territory. You’re in an echo chamber that all the things that they accused the left of 6 years ago (wanting America to fail, etc. etc.) are actually true about you because the party who won by an overwhelming majority of votes wants to do things slightly differently then the party you voted for. But instead you hope that your neighbor down the street who is struggling loses their house just to teach them a lesson.
Rupublicans: The Nose Cutting, Face Spiting Party
Dave in SoCal proves that he doesn’t care if he makes bad faith arguments as long as it makes someone on the other side mad.
Well, personally, I would’ve started with public executions…
Yeah, but then again you’re just psychopathic that way…
Dave in SoCal: Here is the DOW-JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE since the passage of the stimulus bill:
[CHART SHOWING LAST 20 DAYS]
Yeah, it might bob up and down slightly, but the overall trend is IT’S STEADILY GOING DOWN.
Yeah, your chart shows an 800 point drop in the DOW since Obama signed the stimulus bill 14 days ago. Shame on him for not reversing this: I mean, if he can’t reverse a year+ downward trend in just two weeks obviously he’s a fraud?
In case the image didn’t get embedded as intended in prior message, it’s here:
5400 point drop in the last 9 months. How could we not expect that to reverse in two weeks?
Grrr.
www . growthstock . com/image-files/dow_jones_industrial_stocks_over_50_day_moving_average.gif
Shame on Barack Obama for not using magic to instantly clean up George W. Bush’s mess. Shame!
Hoping that the stimulus fails and is repealed before it does the lasting harm its capable of doing is just a little different from hoping that America will fail (whatever the Hell that means). As I said in another thread, I am fully confident that America will recover from this recession (Heck, I’m betting on it). I am also confident that the $787,000,000,000.00 stimulus bill President Obama signed and a monkey wrote under the non de plume of “Democratic Congress” will, at best, do nothing to hasten the recovery, and will at worst saddle the nation with additional debt and inflation which will deepen the recession prior to the eventual recovery. To say nothing of increasing the number of people who are wholly dependent upon government largess to meet their basic needs.
You mean the same theoretical neighbor who hasn’t paid their mortgage in 90 days and is facing foreclosure? Sucks that they’re going to lose their house, and I hope they land on their feet, but, frankly, if they’re in a position where they can’t meet their financial obligations to begin with, having them receive some kind of government bailout is only going to delay the foreclosure, not stop it. This hypothetical neighbor is in this situation because they lost their hypothetical job. Taxpayers subsidizing their house doesn’t change the fact that the newly reduced house note will go unpaid. It is, frankly, better if my make-believe neighbor down the street loses their home now and finds someplace which they can afford on their current funds instead of continuing to over-extend themselves and dig even deeper. Heck, maybe the next people to move into the house which is now available for sale will be able to afford it.
That sneaky Mr. Bush, making investors react to President Obama’s brilliant recovery plans like they won’t work. I can’t wait until 1 May 2009 so that President Obama will be held accountable for what happens during his administration.
Yeah, but then again you’re just psychopathic that way…
Ask a stupid question…
SFC B:
I’m glad, 6 years too late you recognize that “wanting America to fail” is a misnomer that the right beat to death. Too bad you couldn’t realize that when it mattered. I guess you were too dim to realize that was my point.
I hope that we’ll be able to check back in with you in 18 months. At which point I’m sure, with complete intellectual honesty, you’ll assess whether or not this stimulus was a success.
I’m happy that you live in a world where neighbor’s who can’t pay their mortgages are only hypothetical. In my world they’re my step brother and his wife. Yep, they’re almost to the point of losing their house. They both lost their jobs. His company closed, hers downsized. They’ve got kids to feed and neither of them can find any jobs let alone jobs that will pay for any sort of housing.
So that’s why you’re completely out of touch. You say “finds someplace which they can afford on their current funds instead of continuing to over-extend themselves” you don’t realize that there are hard working Americans who have no current funds. You also don’t realize that no one new is going to move in to the house which is now available for sell because no one is buying houses right now. The house will sit derelict, attract squatters (maybe the very same families that have been forced out of their homes), crime and worsen the entire neighborhood.
But I’m sure my family would prefer to live in your theoretical America then the real America that was driven in to the ground by the past 8 years of conservative government.
I’m sorry, when have I ever said that anyone I disagreed with wanted America to fail/lose? I’ve been blogging since 2005 and commenting on blogs regularly for about the same time and I’m pretty sure I’ve never said any such thing. But, hey, if it makes you feel better to think I did because it fits your stereotype, go for it.
That sure sucks for your step-brother and his wife and kids that his step-brother is such a cockfag that he won’t offer to let them stay with him until they can get back on their feet. Man, if he had my family they’d have a place to stay if he lost his house. It’s true what they say, you can’t choose family.
And I call bullshit. You’re telling me that your step-brother and his wife cannot find a job anywhere? He can’t find a job working nights at a warehouse? Every single employer where they live has employed every single position and shift they can afford? Bull. Shit. Sure, they can’t find a job which will pay them what they want for their former lifestyle. Obviously. But they can find a job which will pay them enough to afford a roof over their head and feed their kids. Hell, if your step-brother or his wife have a high school diploma, no health issues, and no major law violations the military is still hiring. Have him email me and I’ll put him in touch w/ a recruiter.
No such thing. Anyone in America who is willing and able to do hard work will be able to find a paying job. It might require relocating. It might require drastic changes in lifestyle. Quite frankly, if your family doesn’t want to put forth the effort to meet the taxpayer halfway, I don’t know why the taxpayer should be required to bail them out.
Cockfag? Really? Really?
I live overseas.
You do realize that there are parts of America with 15%+ unemployment, right?
That’s the last I’m saying to you. If this were my blog, you’d be banned for homophobic slurs like that.
I can’t wait until 1 May 2009 so that President Obama will be held accountable for what happens during his administration.
You’re giving him 60 days?
Mighty generous of you.
No such thing. Anyone in America who is willing and able to do hard work will be able to find a paying job. It might require relocating. It might require drastic changes in lifestyle. Quite frankly, if your family doesn’t want to put forth the effort to meet the taxpayer halfway, I don’t know why the taxpayer should be required to bail them out.
If you can gain fortune with hard work alone, why aren’t you a multi-billionaire, you lazy bum?
“That’s the last I’m saying to you. If this were my blog, you’d be banned for homophobic slurs like that.”
He’s also racist.
No wonder he’s a Republican.
The DJIA has been tracking the financial sector’s issues, which has been impacting the economy as a whole. Only in the magical fantasy wingnut world of Fux news does the Dow hyper-react to everything Obama does and says.
Zython, we all know that when people’s suffering is inconvenient to conservatives then they are theoretical. When they are real then the best reaction is to make angry, homophobic attacks and assume that they’re not doing everything they can to keep their heads above water. Or maybe they’re willing to join the army and go fight a war! Or move halfway across country without any money! The kids don’t need a father around and that’ll definitely solve all their problems.
When the stock market bounces back I invite all resident wingnuts to come back to this thread and lick my balls.
Obama’s got four years (although I’d bet on eight).
Do you really think things aren’t going to turn around under Obama’s watch?
Why do you hate America so? Why do you want our president to fail?
Actually I’m using the standard that CSS applied to the Bush Administration in regards to 9-11. I admit that using an arbitrary standard used by a commenter on this site who most other commenters consider to be mentally unhinged (on his good days) isn’t optimal, but there gets to be some point where, no matter what the previous administration did or did not do, the current one is responsible for what follows. Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that Obama’s administration didn’t begin on 20090303.
Oh, hey. Where’d those goal posts go? Oh! There they are. Over by Zython. How’d they move over there? Where, in what I said, did I say anything about hard work alone making someone a multi-billionaire? I said if someone is willing to do the work, they can make a living. That is all. But hey, do me a favor, and move those goal posts back where they were. Kthxbai.
Maybe your step brother should move away from those places then. Just a suggestion.
I’ve done a little thinking and after seeing SFC B post more stupidity I think I’m going to take some time off from commenting here. In the real world I don’t have to put up with people trying to intimidate me by calling me a “cockfag”.
I’ll keep reading and I’ll check in with you guys in a couple of weeks.
Why are all you conservatives hatin’ on Mr. Bush’s man Bernanke? He says Mr. Obama has the goods.
Are you people actually in favor of letting the economy slide entirely into the toilet? ‘Cause that’s sure what is sounds like you’re saying.
Anyone in America who is willing and able to do hard work will be able to find a paying job. It might require relocating. It might require drastic changes in lifestyle.
Thank god we’ll no longer have to hear conservatives whining about illegal immigrants stealing their jobs.
“You’re giving him 60 days?”
SFC B says: “Actually I’m using the standard that CSS applied to the Bush Administration in regards to 9-11.”
Two questions…
1.) Huh?
2.) No, seriously. Huh?
What was the magical 60-day mark for the Bush Administration?
On a side note, I assign culpability based on actions taken. For instance, the Bush administration lowered the priority anti-terrorism hand under Clinton, therefore they increase their culpability when 9-11 happened under their watch.
I know that’s hard for you to understand, but it is logical.
“I admit that using an arbitrary standard used by a commenter on this site who most other commenters consider to be mentally unhinged (on his good days)…”
Must be embarrassed getting your ass handed to you in a debate by someone who is ‘mentally unhinged’.
Maybe your step brother should move away from those places then. Just a suggestion.
“If people are starving in Africa, they should move to France.”
‘Cockfag.’ Wow. Just… wow.
Not fucking okay, SFC. Next time CSS attacks somebody for sex preference or race – rather than what they actually said – we can all call him unhinged. But the thing is that next time would be the first time. Not so for you, sport.
“I’ll keep reading and I’ll check in with you guys in a couple of weeks.”
He will never change. It is who he is. He is who the GOP are. This is not one random guy, he is part of a systemic problem that finds its roots in the “Us vs. Them” mentality of the GOP.
Dennis says: “Former supporter, Jim Cramer now goes nuclear on Obama:
‘This is the greatest wealth destruction I’ve seen by a president.’”
On a side note…
Jim Cramer’s success rate as a financial guru is slightly worse than a drunk monkey throwing his poo at a dart board.
Seriously. The guys success rate is worse than random chance.
He’s not a financial expert. He’s an entertainer.
Blaming Obama for a crisis that was in full swing before Obama was elected is folly.
Not fucking okay, SFC. Next time CSS attacks somebody for sex preference or race – rather than what they actually said – we can all call him unhinged. But the thing is that next time would be the first time. Not so for you, sport.–Parthenon
Parthy-
I agree with you on the name calling, particularly race and sex preference, but CS Strowbridge, the Canadian Concern Troll, is hardly one to laud here for that. He’s the biggest flame-thrower on here. And just up-thread here, Jaims, the other Concern Troll outside the US, said this:
“When the stock market bounces back I invite all resident wingnuts to come back to this thread and lick my balls.
Blaming Obama for a crisis that was in full swing before Obama was elected is folly. CS ‘Southern Strategy’ Strowbridge, the Concerned Canuck
Not so, Concerned. Anyone thinking what you just wrote has their head completely up either their own ass, or Obama’s.
I know you have the superior vantage point as a part-time economic prognosticator and full-time blogger of DVD rentals from up in the Great White North, and having never lived in the United States makes you that vantage point all the more convincing, but I think Jim Cramer is just slightly more knowledgeable about the markets than you are, no matter what his record is.
Knowing what is causing panic and uncertainty is not the same thing as making a market call. One is making an prediction, the other is observing things that are as plain as the nose on your face. Cramer talks to a lot of people and people are scared of what The Won’s grandiose and potentially devastating plans are for our foreseeable future and are bailing out because of it. Precisely at a time when we should all be optimistic about this wonderful new President with his messages of Hope and Change. People want to hold on to what little they have left of their net worth, accepting near zero rates of return for the preservation of their assets. Obama is sending the wrong signals, and it is Main Street that is affected. Even your Main Street up in Canada will be affected, unless people rent more movies instead of going out to them.
No, saying the stock market crash is ok because it’s not affecting Main Street is about the most ‘folliest’ thing written on any blog I’ve seen in a very long time.
NBCWSJ Poll: 6 in 10 Americans worry government will spend too much…
….One cautionary signal for the administration comes in the survey result concerning the role of government at a time when Mr. Obama has proposed far-reaching initiatives on energy, education and health care. While 51 percent want government to do more to address the nation’s problems, 40 percent say it’s already doing too much.
A second concerns levels of government spending. With the deficit in Mr. Obama’s new budget estimated at $1.7-trillion, six in 10 Americans worry that government will spend too much—twice the number who fears government will spend too little.
A third comes in differing assessments of the administration’s housing plan. Though a majority expresses support, when that plan is described as “financial assistance” to homeowners in trouble, a 48 percent plurality calls that assistance unfair to others.
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Obama Admin., Democrats, liberal blogs…
‘Must take out Rush Limbaugh’
‘Must take out Rick Santelli’…
‘Must take out the Tea Parties’…
‘Must take out Murdoch empire’.
Nah, Rush is doing a fine job of taking himself out. We just enjoy watching it all happen at the expense of the Republican party.
As for deficit spending, I agree it’s a problem. But where were you for the past eight years? The stimulus bill is an attempt to stave off a Depression — soup lines, poor houses, all that horrible stuff. It’s money that will be well spent, and the Fed has a duty to spend at a time when the major banks are effectively insolvent.
Republicans and Bush dug this hole, and it’s up to Dems to fix the problem. Pretty typical pattern, actually.
Obviously, the economy is going to seal Obama’s fate as a president. But he’s been masterful at painting you wing-nuts into a corner. I’d still love to hear an explanation as to how Obama could fail but American could succeed. It’s impossible though — either Obama’s stimulus spending, passed in spite of Republican oppostion, helps get us out of the Bush Depression/Recession, or we go deeper down the hole. At least I’m not a member of the party that’s _actively rooting_ for this to happen.
That’s just malarkey, Jaim. To many have everything we’ve ever worked for tied up in this to not want us to get out of it. You think I want to see my investments and my house go to zero so that maybe a Republican gets back in the White House in four years? Yours is nothing more than an immature, superficial school yard taunt. The kind very similar to what you probably hear from your students every day and are just transferring it here. Maybe it works for you guys cerebrally to obsess about a radio host, but it’s just absolutely pathetic for a President and his Administration to lower themselves by having to demonize this guy, something Democrats have been doing for countless years, all for the purpose of distracting the American people from the nightmare start of the Obama Hope and Change Express.
‘Bad stock market, your net worth going to zero? Don’t blame us, blame Bush. Yeah, that’s right, blame Bush.
What, that record’s getting worn. Okay, blame Rush Limbaugh- he said he want’s us to fail! Yeah, blame him. C’mon, liberal blogs, Kos, HuffPo, DU, back us up here. Go after this guy again. Go hard this time, we really need you here, this is getting serious. And yes, we are serious, yes, yes, a radio host.’
Actually, you guys don’t need to take out Rush Limbaugh. You need him for the foil. The distraction. The excuse. The blame. The face of the opposition. The pathetic usual schoolyard stuff Obama said he was well past.
He’s not.
Demonize? All the Dems are doing is stating that Rush is the actual head of the Republican party. For a bloated ego like his, that’s a huge compliment. And that’s the beauty of all this — moderates and independent voters are realizing that the Republican party is in fact a parody of itself, a joke two guys tell each other in the bathroom, etc. Other than the hardcore ditto-heads, the Republican party has no future in terms of gaining new voters. Why is that Dennis? I’ll tell you — because the Republican party has been hijacked by racist cartoon characters like El Rushbo.
Dems are just stating the obvious. He’s your man. He’s your captain. Hell, he’s obviously more powerful than the actual head of the RNC.
And the stock market collapsed under Bush. Sorry, that’s a fact. Let’s see where it is four years from now. I’m guessing it’ll higher than it was at the end of Bush II’s regime. But hey, guess we’ll have to wait and see. One month in, and I agree things are bleak. That what eight years of Republican rule will do to our country.
And I’m sorry, but a media personality with 20 million followers who says he wants the president of the US to fail is big news, no matter what. Hell, even in your wet dreams about Michael Moore he never said anything like that.
Lordy, a Republican lecturing us about civility and “schoolyard stuff.” How times have changed, for the better.
Jaim-
There a lot of people and institutions to blame for what has happened. Experts, whatever that term means anymore, on both sides of the political spectrum agree on that. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands of articles pinpointing blame on several factors, but I have yet to see one blaming Rush Limbaugh for the economic mess we are in. Rush Limbaugh is way down the list of what ails us right now. You just can’t tell that if you follow this Administration and you even casually glimpse at liberal blogs.
Dennis: “…but I think Jim Cramer is just slightly more knowledgeable about the markets than you are, no matter what his record is.”
Translation: Fuck reality!
Listen, dip shit, Jim Cramer’s track record is worse than random chance. You would literally make more money doing the exact opposite of what he says than following his advice.
Good lord! This is worse than your inability to count past two.
Like I said, Concerned Canuck, here he wasn’t giving advice.
He’s expressing deep remorse.
He’s admitting that once again he made a bad call.
One he deeply regrets.
One that could very well spell disaster for America.
Here’s an idea, Southern Strategy. Why don’t you start making economic calls and stock market picks on your blog.
I think there might be a lot of demand for Canadians who follow our stock market and advice they might want to share with Americans in their part-time when they’re not reviewing DVDs.
Dennis: He’s admitting that once again he made a bad call.
One he deeply regrets.
One that could very well spell disaster for America.
So… what Rush says is immaterial and folks should get chastised for mentioning it. Meanwhile, what Cramer says could well spell disaster for America.
C’mon, admit it. Your real name is Harvey Dent, isn’t it?
NBCWSJ Poll: 6 in 10 Americans worry government will spend too much…
I think they are spending too much, as well. After all, if they simply legalized pot and gay marriage, they could knock off about $1-200 billion off the stimulus (maybe more). But of course, the Republicans, who are more concerned with meaningless moral crusading, would stonewall this, so it’s pretty much moot point.
Zython: Absolutely.
Fuck, can you imagine the money that would roll in if you legalized pot and slapped a huge tax on it? People would buy it, dammit, and watch the revenue stream in. Seriously. It’s so ridiculously obviously a good idea, it kills me to know that there are those uptight, upright citizens that would fight it tooth-and-nail because it’s so eeeeeeevil.
God damn it.
Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m pretty sure that Obama’s administration didn’t begin on 20090303.
Oh, I see. Retroactive. I thought you meant from the time he signed the Stimulus bill, you know, when actions were taken.
And dude, cockfag? Not cool.
Awwww, Muffin. Do you need a tissue to blow your nose? How about a hug? Will a hug make you feel better?
CSS, don’t you remember about a month ago when we got into a discussion of Clinton v. Bush on Terrorism and you kept bleating about how Ol’ Richard Clarke handed the Bush Administration a blueprint for dealing w/ Al Qaeda? Well, that meeting between Tenet, Clarke, and Rice took place in May 2001. So, I figure if that month is good for Bush being responsible for whatever happened next, regardless of what the previous administration did or did not do, only fair to hold Omaba to that standard. So, I’m looking forward to May when President Obama will no longer be able to get away with talking about the problem he inherited because he’s had long enough to do something about it his own damn self.
I’m looking at my calendar and it’s more than 60 days between 20 JAN and 1 MAY. Y’all using some sort of weird metric calendar?
Because being a starving person in Niger and trying to move to France is the exact same as being an unemployed person in Yuma and moving to Ft. Myers. Yup. Exactly the same. Do you get paid for each goal post you move Zython?
Oh man, thank God he didn’t call someone a name. Totally hinged. Totally.
Oh noes! I was called a racist! I’d better go straight to EO class so I can be taught what I did was wrong. Please show me where I said anything racist so that the instructor knows where to start with my reeducation.
So you’re willing to blame Obama for things that haven’t happened yet.
The flaw in your theory is that Clarke gave Bush’s team helpful counterterrorism information that could have been useful and they chose to either willfully ignore it or downplay its significance.
This situation is completely different and you know it.
Because being a starving person in Niger and trying to move to France is the exact same as being an unemployed person in Yuma and moving to Ft. Myers. Yup. Exactly the same. Do you get paid for each goal post you move Zython?
Let me ask you something. If he doesn’t have the money to pay for his mortgage, what makes you think he has the money to move to a different one?
Because being a starving person in Niger and trying to move to France is the exact same as being an unemployed person in Yuma and moving to Ft. Myers. Yup. Exactly the same. Do you get paid for each goal post you move Zython?
Let me ask you something. If he doesn’t have the money to pay for his mortgage, what makes you think he has the money to move to a different one?
Fuck, can you imagine the money that would roll in if you legalized pot and slapped a huge tax on it? People would buy it, dammit,
Too easy to grow. Taxing the seeds, on the other hand…
WHY DIDN’T YOUR MOTHER SMOTHER YOU IN YOUR CRIB!
Race?
Nope.
Sexual preference?
Nope.
Completely over-the-top insult, so melodramatic you’d have to be crazy to take completely seriously since had CSS been serious, he’d likely be a jailed sociopath?
Check.
False equivalence reaching far beyond politics in the minds of certain conservatives?
Check-a-roo.
It should be also noted that CSS has commendably reigned in the profanity considerably.
Since you’re not willing to hold President Obama accountable for this which have happened during his administration it does kinda balance out.
The situation might be different but the standard is not. So you’re saying that Clarke gave the Bush Administration the info it needed to do something to prevent 9-11. Fine. President Obama knew what was going on in the economy since September 2008. He took office in January 2009. Passed the stimulus bill in February 2009. I don’t see why it’s so unreasonable to start holding the Obama Administration fully accountable for the result of its actions in May 2009.
To put it bluntly, if a grown-ass person cannot figure out some way, some how, to scrape together the few hundred dollars needed to afford a Greyhound bus for their family to a place where they found work, they don’t deserve it and I don’t understand why I should be required to give them money if they’re not going to do everything they can to help themselves first.
Just as a thought exercise, for less than $1,000 I could move my family across the country and rent a 2 bed/1 bath apartment for a month. In that month I could also find a job which will keep us in that apartment for the forseeable future. Is it my dream job? No. Is it my dream home? No. Is it better than not having a home and being out on the street? Yes.
I don’t understand why this concept of being self-reliant and accountable for your own actions is so foreign to you.
Since you’re not willing to hold President Obama accountable for this which have happened during his administration it does kinda balance out.
That’s some weak-ass shit, right there.
I’m sorry, I must have missed the post where Mr. Willis called the President to task for his continuing to sanction extraordinary rendition. Or increasing the deficit to $1,300,000,000,000.00. Or continuing indefinite detentions. Or that people held in US detention centers aren’t allowed to challenge their detention in court. Or committing 10-15 brigades of troops in Iraq. Or refusing to honor his campaign promises for a more open and honest government.
And that’s just been in the first month and a half.
But I’m the one bringing weak-ass shit for talking about holding President Obama accountable?
But I’m the one bringing weak-ass shit for talking about holding President Obama accountable?
Actually yes. Because none of that shit mattered to you AT ALL a year or so ago. So take your righteous indignation and stick it.
SFC B: And that’s just been in the first month and a half.
And everyone knows that if you can’t accomplish everything you said you wanted to do when you’ve had a whole month and a half then clearly you aren’t trying.
Just as a thought exercise, for less than $1,000 I could move my family across the country and rent a 2 bed/1 bath apartment for a month. In that month I could also find a job which will keep us in that apartment for the forseeable future. Is it my dream job? No. Is it my dream home? No. Is it better than not having a home and being out on the street? Yes.
First off, no you couldn’t. Secondly, what about his possessions? Does he sell them? Abandon them? Burn them? Obviously, you’ve never had to plan a move and get a new job in your life.
Says whom? It does matter to me that those who are trying to kill coalition forces and Afghan civilians in Afghanistan remain in custody. I’m glad that the Obama Administration is going to follow the Bush Administration’s policy there. However, I’m not the one who opposed the Military Commission Act which is part of the reason they can be held there and not allowed to contest their detention in court. Then-Senator Obama did. He’s the one not being consistent. I didn’t support the massive deficits ran by the Republican Congress from 2001-2006, and I didn’t like the massive deficits ran by the Democratic Congress in 2007 and 2008. And I really don’t like the more than a trillion dollar deficit that the Democratic Congress will allow starting in 2009.
Would it have really killed him to have put the stimulus bill on the White House website for five days prior signing it? I mean, it’s only a promise he made to the American people. Why should he bother trying to keep it?
SFC B: Would it have really killed him to have put the stimulus bill on the White House website for five days prior signing it?
Attaway to stick to your guns. Start with a ridiculous complaint and when someone calls you on it’s ridiculousness bitch about something minor.
If President Obama won’t be called out when he fails to fulfill an easy-to-do promise in a very public way, then what reason is there to assume he’ll be held accountable later?
“Oh noes! I was called a racist! I’d better go straight to EO class so I can be taught what I did was wrong. Please show me where I said anything racist so that the instructor knows where to start with my reeducation.”
You said it was acceptable to worry about crime rates going up when minorities move into your neighborhood.
That’s fucking racist.
for less than $1,000 I could move my family across the country and rent a 2 bed/1 bath apartment for a month.
Fine. Find an apartment that will rent to you month to month for less than $600. Got first, last and security? That’s $1800 right off the bat, so FAIL.
What?
That’s your problem. You keep thinking like you’re well off so you go looking for places which require first/last/sec. I’m talking about someone in the position where they’re going to lose their house and have them and their family out on the street. When you’re in that situation you’re not looking at apartments with gates and covered parking. You’re looking at those revamped motels which dot the landscapes on the fringes of urban centers. Believe me, you can find one for $400-$500 a month cash. It will be a bedroom or two, a kitchen, a bathroom, and a small living area which can function as a second or third bedroom. Believe it or not Duros, not everyone lives the privileged life. And there are people and businesses which cater to those who are less fortunate than you or I.
Me: “You said it was acceptable to worry about crime rates going up when minorities move into your neighborhood.”
SFC B: “What?”
That’s what I thought as well.
“That’s your problem. You keep thinking like you’re well off so you go looking for places which require first/last/sec.”
Most shitholes require that.
Unless there’s a dead hooker floating in the pool…
When did I ever say anything like that? I can’t even remember talking about that subject, let alone saying what you’re claiming I’ve said.
When you’re in that situation you’re not looking at apartments with gates and covered parking.
Been a while since you rented a place, huh?