Rick Santelli Rant Just The Product Of Conservative PR?
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Considering that Santelli is an alleged journalist for CNBC quite a few people might have some explaining to do.
What we discovered is that Santelli’s “rant” was not at all spontaneous as his alleged fans claim, but rather it was a carefully-planned trigger for the anti-Obama campaign. In PR terms, his February 19th call for a “Chicago Tea Party” was the launch event of a carefully organized and sophisticated PR campaign, one in which Santelli served as a frontman, using the CNBC airwaves for publicity, for the some of the craziest and sleaziest rightwing oligarch clans this country has ever produced. Namely, the Koch family, the multibilllionaire owners of the largest private corporation in America, and funders of scores of rightwing thinktanks and advocacy groups, from the Cato Institute and Reason Magazine to FreedomWorks. The scion of the Koch family, Fred Koch, was a co-founder of the notorious extremist-rightwing John Birch Society.”
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Yeah, but Barack Obama personally called Santelli and threatened to eat his children.
I hate to break it to you, but some of us are extremely angry that our congressional representatives (remember, government by representation)pushed through the biggest spending bill ever, a $787 Billion dollar beast, and voted for it WITHOUT READING IT.
The “stimulus” bill, rushed through to saves us from economic “catastrophe” includes immensely stupid spending – $30 million to study a swamp mouse in San Francisco. Really? That is going to provide an emergency jumpstart to our economy? Wow, I can feel the recession rolling back already.
No matter what party you belong to, unless you believe a bigger government taking care of you like a nanny and a toddler is good (uh, we call that socialism), this should wake you up and make you angrry.
If you allow government to grow big enough to give you whatever you need, you allow it to grow big enough to take it away from you. That’s not a right wing conspiracy. That’s a quote from Thomas Jefferson.
Try to ponder it.
The woman who was always on TV last year as McCain’s mouthpiece, Nancy Pfotenhauer, has a long history with the Koch family. She was their lobbyist for many years, and at times it appeared that her work for McCain was really just so she could shill on TV for energy companies (it seemed like a lot of McCain’s staff wasn’t really working for him). Anyway, a good hunch is that she’ll turn up in the middle of this astroturfing project.
Too funny.
There’s nothing the left likes more than a good conspiracy!
There’s nothing the left likes more than a good conspiracy!
Ha! Birth certificates? Vince Foster? Secret communists?
“Ha! Birth certificates? Vince Foster? Secret communists?”
If Jay Caruso had a brain, the hypocrisy would make it explode.
Ha! Birth certificates? Vince Foster? Secret communists?
The Antichrist? Secret Muslim? Clinton Death Count?
Republicans can’t even do being the opposition party right any longer.
That’s an incredibly poignant observation Jaim. Republicans were, once, actually capable of being a minority party that wasn’t completely anti-intellectual. They once managed to construct arguments that resonated with the American people on occasion. After 8 years of Bush, Rove and Cheney they don’t know how to fight honestly and, polls are showing, the vast majority of Americans find it really ugly.
That’s the thing though — they really were out in the woods after Watergate. This made the timing of the Reagan revolution so perfect.
But you can’t run an insurgency (or “Taliban”) opposition when you held the keys to the kingdom for the last eight years and got everything you wanted — two unfinished wars, massive tax cuts for the rich, increased govermnent size (TSA, defense spending), and a more instrusive/nanny-state government (FISA, wire-taps, violation of 4th amendment, etc.).
Yeah. You guys are fucked. But it’s damn fun to watch.
CNBC triggers permit required “tea party protests” by conservatives that number in the hundreds? The fact that was coordinated makes CNBC look even less influential than I thought they were before. Nice PR…
Oh, noes! We’ve been EXPOSED!!!!!!
Let’s look at that article more closely…
Milt Rosenberg — why does that name seem so familiar?
Oh, yeah, he was the talk show host (and longtime Chicago staple) who dared have scholar Stanley Kurtz on to discuss his investigation of the Obama/Ayers relationship. In response, the official Barack Obama web site coordinated a massive call-in to jam the lines, complete with talking points that otherwise-ignorant people could use to try to silence the discussion.
my.barackobama.com/page/s/WGNstandards
Hey, note the “WGNstandards” in the URL. Could that be a reference to the “Standards and Practices” policy? A lot of those callers DID say that WGN should be stripped of its broadcast license for daring to do the interview…
And someone set up a web site within HOURS of the first airing of the incident? And they registered the name back in August? Why, that’s absolutely damning! Registering a domain name is SUCH a bit of labor and expense! I know someone who had to mortgage his house to get a domain name through GoDaddy!
The party that just put David Axelrod in the White House as a top administration advisor has NO business bitching about alleged “astroturfing.” The man practically invented it.
Finally, back to the Kurtz/Rosenberg story: it’s ironic that should be brought up again, because so many of these “connections” and “ties” sound an awful lot like the constantly-evolving story of the relationship between Obama and Ayers over the years — the constant downplaying of things in relation to more and more and more ties being discovered. From “a guy in my neighborhood” to “our kids go to school together” (never mind that Ayers’ kids are at least a decade older) to “we served on the same board” to “we served on a couple boards” to “Ayers ran the organization overseeing the board” to “Obama praised Ayers’ book in the newspaper” to… I lost track, but I think the last I heard was that Ayers might have “edited” Obama’s first book, which not only bears little stylistic resemblance to his later works, but a great similarity to Ayers’ published efforts.
Is it THAT impossible to accept that a lot of people might be looking at that most-of-a-trillion-dollar “stimulus” bill that was passed in such a rush (hardly anyone voting on it even READ it) and saying “WTF?”
J.
“The party that just put David Axelrod in the White House as a top administration advisor has NO business bitching about alleged “astroturfing.””
Do you know what Astroturfing is? I don’t think you do.
EL, from both sides of the spectrum:
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/03/astroturf-axelrod
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/mar2008/db20080314_121054.htm
When Businessweek and Mother Jones see eye-to-eye on a point, that says something pretty damned profound.
J.
Typical liberal nonsense. I make a comment about conspiracies and immediately the reaction is, “But…but…but………THEY DID IT TOO!”
Weak dude. WEAK.
Oh and these protests predated Santelli’s tv rant, so the conspiracy theory is another big FAIL.
Oh and its always good to get a nice chuckle out of CS and his, “IT’S THE HYPOCRISY!” drivel.
Dude’s a broken record. Post a comment and CS will whip out the three standard responses:
1. An insult – Followed up by complaining, “You didn’t respond to my point!” after a well deserved retort
2. THE HYPOCRISY!
3. Calling somebody stupid.
He’s like Rainman. Do you get your underwear at K-Mart CS?
Cheers!
“He’s like Rainman.”–Jay
Don’t forget ‘Southern Strategy’, Jay.
It’s kind of bizarre how liberals are all going into DefCon 4 over their Rick Santelli paranoia. I’m really surprised they haven’t come up with a prior tax issue, DUI, domestic occurrence, or some type of grievance from his trading days before he became a reporter, given that he lives in Chicago.
So their resorting to weird conspiracy theories of the type they spent the last 6 months of the campaign denouncing as guilt by association and doing their utmost best to dispel is comical.
Even more so when it comes from Playboy Magazine and the journalist admits his connectivity theory may have no substance to it at all, but that in the least CNBC and Santelli have some ‘splaining to do’. “Okaay, Playboy Magazine, whatever you guys say.”
Yeesh.
And, Good God, what the heck does “alleged journalist” mean?
Liberals think he’s been spending the last ten years as a reporter for CNBC on the CBOT trading floor just for this moment that he’s had planned all along.
Let’s see, I’ve seen liberal blogs call him a hedge fund manager- he wasn’t.
A Master of the Universe- he wasn’t. The term isn’t even used by people in the business, but even Tom Wolfe’s coinage doesn’t come close to applying to Santelli; not now not even when he was a trader.
A guy involved in causing this housing crisis. –Funny that a reporter is somehow responsible. Funny that a guy 10 years removed from jobs trading gold, lumber, CD’s, T-bills, foreign currencies and livestock is a Master of the Universe evil capitalist responsible for a housing crisis.
The jury is in.
Like it or not, Santelli’s rant was plotted and planned by the same group that tried to promote the Ayers-Obama rumors.
Stay tuned for more (Olbermann will be all over this).
You cons are pathetic, take your perpetually wimpering elsewhere.
Like it or not, Santelli’s rant was plotted and planned by the same group that tried to promote the Ayers-Obama rumors. –Jack J.
Those weren’t rumors, Jack. His associations with Ayers were true, and as Jay T. outlined, deeper than Obama at first was willing to admit.
And not even the alleged journalist from Playboy is making that assertion. But that’s good enough for a conspiracy kook I guess. All that’s needed are some connections if it’s something you want to believe in the first place.
This story is already falling apart:
The Mother Of All Irony: Playboy Magazine Targets The Daily Bail
Yes, I would agree, Oliver, quite a few people might have some explaining to do.
Hahahahaha. Was there a fire sale on Reich wing tinfoil hats this morning?
Dennis says, March 1, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Yes, I would agree, Oliver, quite a few people might have some explaining to do.
Funny how it only seems to be Democratic type people that have ‘splaining to do in the world of a hyper partisan Republican’t Putsch fellator like you, Dennis. Maybe Rush can explain it to you the next time you share a Dominican boy together…
Is it THAT impossible to accept that a lot of people might be looking at that most-of-a-trillion-dollar “stimulus” bill that was passed in such a rush (hardly anyone voting on it even READ it) and saying “WTF?”
J.
Coming from those who stole the most-of-a-trillion dollar lockbox inherited from the eeeeevul Clenis and helped with the most-of-a-trillion dollar theft by Enron and rushed through the most-of-a-trillion dollar giveaway to the banking executroids and the more-than-a-trillion dollar tax giveaways to the rich elites and the most-of-a-trillion dollar money to the Halliburton rapists, all the while calling anyone who even dared to ask about any of it traitorous murdering unamerican liberal scum, this is more good Republican’t high irony. And you expect this wild flailing about to be considered good strategry on the part of the disenfranchised Republican’ts? Perhaps it’s just the hillbilly heroin talking…
Dig up, stupids! Hahahahaha! Maybe you can throw in some most-of-a-trillion dollar ruination of a major american city while you’re at it!
Is it THAT impossible to accept that a lot of people might be looking at that
most-of-a-trillion-dollar “stimulus” billPATRIOT USA act that was passed in such a rush (hardly anyone voting on it even READ it) and saying “WTF?”FTFY
Was there a fire sale on Reich wing tinfoil hats this morning? (: Tom
Funny, that’s exactly what this story is; tinfoil hat.
And the tea party protests predated Santelli’s rants, too.
and voted for it WITHOUT READING IT.
Just because you didn’t read it doesn’t mean no one else did either.
I’m a little late in responding but my comment is more than just “but they do it too”ing. A conservative accusing Democrats of being conspiracy theory nut is on an order of magnitude so beyond sane that it deserves mocking. Democrats sometimes jump on a conspiracy theory now and then but in general are likely to admit when they were wrong.
Republicans FOR YEARS will continue to hold on to INSANE conspiracy theories. And tons of them. The Clinton legacy and the last election prove this. To equate this article that’s trying to trace the forming of this stupid wingnut rant to any of the batshit insane conspiracy theories of the right does a huge disservice to them. The right has perfected the conspiracy theory, the left will never be able to come close to their poetry.
Jay Caruso: “Dude’s a broken record.”
I’m the broken record? You guys have three people using the exact same attack on me.
Now what is it called when you accuse someone else of something you are guilty of…
“1. An insult – Followed up by complaining, “You didn’t respond to my point!” after a well deserved retort”
You can insult someone AND respond to their point. At least people with functioning braincells can.
“2. THE HYPOCRISY!”
If you don’t want me to call you hypocrites, don’t be hypocrites.
“3. Calling somebody stupid.”
If you don’t want me to call you stupid, don’t be If you stupid.
Dennis: “Don’t forget ‘Southern Strategy’, Jay.”
And if you don’t want me to call you racist, then don’t be racist.
This next part is important, so I’m putting it in bold…
You idiots on the right seem to think if you act lack like hypocritical, racist morons long enough, people on the left are no longer allowed to call you on it.
This is stupid and it will never happen.
The people who cheered when the stock market went up under Bush and the same people who said Clinton had nothing to do with the economy when the growth was much greater under Clinton. When the stock market goes down under Obama, they see it has proof that his position is wrong. When it went down under Bush, then it shows the president has no control over the stock market. This is classic hypocrisy. This is textbook definition of hypocrisy.
How else should we describe it?
Most of what smiling Tom has to say can be safely ignored, but one thing he touched upon really needs to be corrected: his comments about Enron.
Two simple questions, Tom:
1) Who was president when Enron committed most of its crimes?
2) Who was president when Enron’s crimes were exposed, and its leaders were put on trial?
No fair peeking, Tom… we’ll be monitoring your IP to see if you sneak over to Wikipedia.
J.
Even Excitable Andrew Sullivan, the king of truthers, says this story is bullshit:
Santelli Paranoi
————
@C.’Southern Strategy’ Strowbridge–
Even Obama’s biggest supporter is down on His ‘all-in’ scheme-
Buffett Says Economy Will Be ‘In Shambles’ for 2009 and likely beyond.
And that’s before the inevitable inflation this stimulus is likely to produce.
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Dennis: “Even Obama’s biggest supporter is down on His ‘all-in’ scheme-
Buffett Says Economy Will Be ‘In Shambles’ for 2009 and likely beyond.”
Yeah? So? I said that as well. Things are going to get worse before they get better. There’s just too much downward momentum in the economy for any other result.
J.G.Thayer: “Two simple questions, Tom:
1) Who was president when Enron committed most of its crimes?
2) Who was president when Enron’s crimes were exposed, and its leaders were put on trial?”
Two simple questions…
1.) Which you the one who said it wasn’t fair to blame Bush for 9/11 just because it happened on his watch?
2.) Who was president when Enron executives were invited to help writer the energy policy?
Jay Tea says, March 1, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Most of what smiling Tom has to say can be safely ignored, but one thing he touched upon really needs to be corrected: his comments about Enron.
Translation: I can’t refute most of what Tom says, but I’m going to try and nitpick a couple of things to make it look like everything is always all the Democrats’ fault.
Popcorn at the ready!
Two simple questions, Tom:
Why, no, I haven’t stopped beating my wife. Being the unmarried sort.
What was that you were going to try and find a small flaw in so that you can pretend that you’ve negated every point I’ve made here?
1) Who was president when Enron committed most of its crimes?
The Illegally Installed Drunken Cokeheaded Deserter was pretzeldunce when Enron’s illegal activities were downplayed and marginalized by the Republican’t government authorities charged to look into them.
2) Who was president when Enron’s crimes were exposed, and its leaders were put on trial?
The Illegally Installed Drunken Cokeheaded Deserter was pretzeldunce when Enron’s illegal activities were downplayed and marginalized by the Republican’t government authorities charged to look into them in a kangaroo court style arrangement.
No fair peeking, Tom… we’ll be monitoring your IP to see if you sneak over to Wikipedia.
It’s awful funny you talking about fair play, Jay, what with your disingenuous and morally challenged debatering ‘style’. Although I’m relatively certain that you’ve got the inside track on illegal surveillance, sneaking, and other miscellaneous dirty tricks type activities.
Keep on digging up, guys…
Yeah? So? I said that as well. Things are going to get worse before they get better. There’s just too much downward momentum in the economy for any other result. –Southern Strategy Strowbridge
No, no, Southern Strategy. He said Obama’s policies are going to make it worse. Inflation and the inevitable cities and states not being content with the first handouts, and industries being dependent on Federal assistance.
That’s one very big reason why we just had the worst February in our lifetimes. For many of us our parents’ lifetimes too. You want to blame that all on Bush and Republicans, that’s fine. It’s just not accurate.
How could anyone possibly think that the stock market would be doing better under a Palin presidency?
Stay cool, little Dennis. Two years from now we’ll be arguing as to whether or not Obama is a great president or the greatest of all time since he’ll have gotten us out of Iraq and out of the Bush/Republican Recession.
Sorry, Smiley, you lose. But I’m sure you must be used to that by now.
From Wikipedia:
The Enron scandal was a financial scandal involving Enron Corporation (former NYSE ticker symbol: ENE) and its accounting firm Arthur Andersen, that was revealed in late 2001. After a series of revelations involving irregular accounting procedures conducted throughout the 1990s, Enron was on the verge of bankruptcy by November 2001.
You shoulda called my bluff and checked with Wikipedia after all. Enron ran berserk during the Clinton years, and was finally busted during the Bush administration.
And the “points” you claim to have made that I dismissed were your adolescent name-calling and oh-so-clever insults. I gave them all the consideration and respect and attention they deserve: none.
Much like yourself, it seems.
J.
Hey, Strowbridge, you’re the soi-disant expert on old political strategies still allegedly being used today. Could you explain Saul Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals” in relation to the conduct of the Obama administration?
If you need a refresher, check here: http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/8925/alinsky.htm
Bonus points if you can also tie in Rahm Emanuel’s famous advice to “never let a crisis go to waste.”
J.
Me: “Yeah? So? I said that as well. Things are going to get worse before they get better. There’s just too much downward momentum in the economy for any other result.”
The Retard: “No, no, Southern Strategy. He said Obama’s policies are going to make it worse.”
Did you read the link you provided?
“Billionaire Warren Buffett said the economy will be ‘in shambles’ for the rest of this year as financial firms take losses tied to reckless loans made during the housing boom.”
“Buffett endorsed efforts by the U.S. government to prevent the failure of financial firms including Bear Stearns Cos., which was sold to JPMorgan Chase & Co.”
“Whatever the downsides may be, strong and immediate action by government was essential last year if the financial system was to avoid a total breakdown,”
God-fucking-damn, you are a fucking imbecile.
WHY DIDN’T YOUR MOTHER SMOTHER YOU IN YOUR CRIB!
Now please, apologize to your parents for destroying their good name, and never speak in public again.
CSS really doesn’t like people who disagree with him.
SFC B : “CSS really doesn’t like people who disagree with him.”
Disagreeing with me is fine.
Dennis posted a link that said the exact opposite of what he claimed it said.
Either the man is lying and thinks no one was going to check, or he’s medically brain dead.
Now, are you going to challenge my point, or are you going to ignore it and freak out over the insult at the end?
Let me elaborate on Strowbridge’s last statement.
Disagreeing with me is fine.
It’s DISHONEST disagreement that he has the problem with.
Unfortunately, since Strowbridge is always 100% right and accurate and truthful, the only way one can disagree with him is to lie. And that is what sets him off.
It is theoretically possible that some day, some how, someone will disagree with Strowbridge and find a way to do it honestly. But it ain’t happened yet, and it ain’t likely to happen any time soon. So it’s entirely understandable that he goes off like a firecracker (a foul-mouthed, frothing, borderline rabid, howling firecracker) whenever someone disagrees with him — because they’re OBVIOUSLY a lying liar and a fraud.
WHY DIDN’T YOUR MOTHER SMOTHER YOU IN YOUR CRIB!
Gosh, a liberal endorsing infanticide. Talk about playing to stereotypes. I’m SHOCKED at this.
To quote: “You’re in more dire need of a blow job than any white man in history!”
J.
Sorry, forgot to end the bolding.
Anyway, it lets me pick up on one last thing:
Either the man is lying and thinks no one was going to check, or he’s medically brain dead.
Gee, anyone else having Terry Schiavo flashbacks at Dr. Strowbridge’s amazing diagnostic talents? At least Bill Frist had a video to work from…
J.
Ok, ultra-cons let me ask you a simple question.
You guys were wrong about the WMDs in Iraq. You were wrong about our troops being greeted as liberators. You were wrong about NCLB. You were wrong about stem cell research. You were wrong about abstinence -only sex education. You were wrong about privatizing Social Security. You were wrong about Abu Ghraib. You were wrong about Gitmo. Etc. etc.
My question is this: What makes you think you’re right now? A stopped watch may be right twice a day, but in your case, the watches don’t even use natural numbers.
Could you explain Saul Alinsky’s “Rules For Radicals” in relation to the conduct of the Obama administration?
Jesus, do you really believe that b.s.? And the stuff being pushed by Rush & Co. about George Soros and Barney Frank intentionally crashing the markets so it would make John McCain suspend his campaign and elect a secret black Muslim president?
Zython:
I wasn’t wrong about WMDs in Iraq. I argued that Saddam was obligated to PROVE he had disposed of all he had, and he refused. The proof is the numerous WMDs (no, no huge stockpiles) found in the aftermath.
In some cases, the troops were greeted as liberators. And that’s turning back that way now.
Where were “we” wrong about NCLB? I didn’t really follow that one. But I do know that “teaching to the test” at least is teaching, and guarantees that the kids will learn SOMETHING verifiable — which has to be an improvement.
Re: stem cell research — so far, it’s still TBD. So far, all the success has been in non-fetal stem cells.
Sex education? Funny, look at the teen pregnancy rates before the sexual revolution. On the other hand, I happen to agree that “abstinence only” is a really, really bad idea.
Social Security? I don’t recall ever trying a privatized Social Security. What’s the current deadline for it going belly-up?
Abu Ghraib? You mean that scandal that was first revealed by the Army, which prosecuted the perpetrators and punished them?
Guantanamo? Would that be the one that Obama’s AG just toured and said it was all right? So all right that they’re keeping the same standards at Bhagram?
And now for your actual question — “What makes you think you’re right now?”
Well, how about the fact that so many people are doing everything they can to discredit the arguers and not actually address the point.
I would also point out that Oliver is positing the grand conspiracy here. It is incumbent upon him to prove his point, not on anyone else to disprove it — logically, it can’t prove a negative.
J.
J.G.Thayer: “Unfortunately, since Strowbridge is always 100% right and accurate and truthful, the only way one can disagree with him is to lie. And that is what sets him off.”
Is it ironic that you are lying here? I have honest disagreements all of the time. This isn’t one of them.
Dennis posted a link that said the exact opposite of what he claimed it said. This is not up for debate, and I notice you and SFC B didn’t even try to claim otherwise. You instead both attacked me and ignored my argument. Hmm… there’s a term for that.
Me: “WHY DIDN’T YOUR MOTHER SMOTHER YOU IN YOUR CRIB!”
The Liar: “Gosh, a liberal endorsing infanticide.”
And another lie. No endorsement here, just a question.
“Gee, anyone else having Terry Schiavo flashbacks at Dr. Strowbridge’s amazing diagnostic talents?”
Come up with another explanation then. Explain what Dennis did without saying he is lying to stupid.
Dennis posted a link that said the exact opposite of what he claimed it said. Southern Strategy Strowbridge
You only read what you wanted to read, Southern Strategy. It’s you who is the imbecile.
“This debilitating spiral has spurred our government to take massive action. In poker terms, the Treasury and the Fed have gone “all in.” Economic medicine that was previously meted out by the cupful has recently been dispensed by the barrel. These once-unthinkable dosages will almost certainly bring on unwelcome after effects. Their precise nature is anyone’s guess, though one likely consequence is an onslaught of inflation. Moreover, major industries have become dependent on Federal assistance, and they will be followed by cities and states bearing mind-boggling requests. Weaning these entities from the public teat will be a political challenge. They won’t leave willingly.”————
And as an addendum to that, people who have behaved irresponsibly and are about to be bailed out of their mortgages will also become dependent on Federal assistance. And that is not a Southern Strategy or a Northern Strategy, nor an East or a West; it is the liberal strategy. This stimulus package is only the beginning, and investors are very aware of that.
Jesus, do you really believe that b.s.? And the stuff being pushed by Rush & Co. about George Soros and Barney Frank intentionally crashing the markets so it would make John McCain suspend his campaign and elect a secret black Muslim president? –Oliver Willis
Funny how on a blog thread about a poorly sourced and loosely connected conspiracy theory already largely doubted on both sides you choose to chide all conservatives about someone else’s suspicions about Soros’ and Frank’s intentions, but whatever. At least this time you did put the question mark at the end of the blog title, as did Playboy and Barry Ritholtz, which means, ‘hey, don’t blame me if this is all just bullshit’. Maybe that’s what all conspiracy theorists should do.
Also funny how liberal blogs perpetuate the idea of Obama’s being a Muslim in terms of conservative conspiracy theories. When it was advantageous to do so, Obama supporters like Andrew Sullivan were boasting about Obama’s Muslim background.
Strange how liberals use the same form of information in once instance as a reason to vote for a candidate; and then the same information used by the opposition as a reason not to vote for him is considered a hate crime and a conspiracy theory.
Me: “Dennis posted a link that said the exact opposite of what he claimed it said.”
Dennis: “You only read what you wanted to read, Southern Strategy. It’s you who is the imbecile.
‘This debilitating spiral has spurred…’”
And the very next paragraph…
“Whatever the downsides may be, strong and immediate action by government was essential last year if the financial system was to avoid a total breakdown,”
Got it?
Problems causes by housing bubble bursting.
Doing nothing = Cataclysmic.
Obama’s Solution = Some negative consequences that will be politically difficult to reverse.
Since you can’t count past two, I realize this will be difficult for you to understand, but try and concentrate.
Buffet never said Obama is making things worse. Just that the side effects of the cure might be difficult to reverse later on. Difficult to reverse, not impossible to reverse. Nor are the side effects worse than the disease.
In other words…
You. Are. Wrong.
Again.
“Whatever the downsides may be, strong and immediate action by government was essential last year if the financial system was to avoid a total breakdown,”– Southern Strategy
‘Last year’, S.S. You are the wrong one here.
Like George Will said yesterday as he put the smackdown on the schoolmarm Katrina van den Heuvel, ‘Obama is doing the equivalent of trying to perform open heart surgery on a man while he is running a marathon.’ I read what Buffet is saying in the whole context as being highly skeptical of Obama’s grand scheme. Difficult to reverse or impossible to reverse, it’s not a road it seems Buffet is at all comfortable with.
“S.S. You are the wrong one here.”
He doesn’t mention Obama by name the entire time. Not once. He doesn’t say Obama’s plan will be a disaster, or even that these side effects will be worse than the problems we have now.
He even goes so far and to say something has to be done, and the results of doing nothing would be cataclysmic. AND he says the economy will recover. It will just take time.
None of this supports your original claim.
“Like George Will said yesterday as he put the smackdown on the schoolmarm Katrina van den Heuvel…”
Dennis, you can’t count past two. You don’t have the intellectual ability to tell when someone is putting the smackdown on another.
“I read what Buffet is saying in the whole context as being highly skeptical of Obama’s grand scheme.”
And you can’t count past two, Dennis, so what makes you think your opinion here matter?
Seriously?
What qualifies you to make that statement?
Have you been right about these matters in the past?
Social Security? I don’t recall ever trying a privatized Social Security.
Thank God. Because if we had, it would already be in the toilet.
What’s the current deadline for it going belly-up?
40 years later than if we had privitized it.
I wasn’t wrong about WMDs in Iraq. I argued that Saddam was obligated to PROVE he had disposed of all he had, and he refused. The proof is the numerous WMDs (no, no huge stockpiles) found in the aftermath.
Sure, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Abu Ghraib? You mean that scandal that was first revealed by the Army, which prosecuted the perpetrators and punished them?
The one that the ultra cons were appalled at…for the MSM reporting on.
Well, how about the fact that so many people are doing everything they can to discredit the arguers and not actually address the point.
I’m not discrediting you all. You did that yourselves. I’m merely pointing it out.
The one that the ultra cons were appalled at…for the MSM reporting on. –Zython
Likely our men died because of that reporting, Zython. That was what they were appalled at.
Grow up. Please.
Likely our men died because of that reporting, Zython. That was what they were appalled at.
“If an Iraqi gets tortured, and no one’s around to report it, does he scream?”
Please, if they really cared about that, they wouldn’t have supported the torture in the first place.
The blood of those that died after are on the hands of the Abu Ghraib torturers and those that cheerleaded it (you, for example), not the reporters who brought this injustice to light.
Jay Tea says, March 1, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Sorry, Smiley, you lose. But I’m sure you must be used to that by now.
I’m used to assholish Republican’t losers like you making false claims like that, yes. But then again, since lying and distortion is the stock in trade of the modern conservative movement, you have stayed right on track and started lying again. Is ducking all responsibility for your own clusterCheneys a baseline moral position of modern day Republican’ts? Sure sounds like it around here…
Tell me, oh never ever wrong (except for whenever he opens his mouth) Jay, who was in control of Congress at the time (and, this, responsible for investigatering the Enron activities at the time) of the Enron stuff you’re talking about? I’m sure since they were busy impeaching a president for getting a blowjob from someone who was not his wife (not illegal, but certainly worth splashing all over the papers while ignoring the business of government for a couple of years, I guess, in the minds of traitorous unamerican scum like you, Jay)? Who would have been in charge of getting those investigations underway under the Clinton administration, Jay?
It’s okay – you can check with Wikipedia (that font of awesome accuratude) all you want before you answer my questions, scumbag. Although I’m betting you’re either going to whinge about being called bad names again (oh, the irony of Jay Tea whinging about being called names! But I digress…) or completely ignore these questions, like you conveniently ignored all those other examples of Republican’ts wasting trillions of government money over the last eight years, while now trying to micromanage the governmental outlays and pretend to be scolds with some sort of moral high ground now that a non-Republican’t is large and in charge.
It’s just as funny today as it has been ever since you thought you actually were making some sort of relevant point with your hypocritical complaints about deficit spending after going on the longest streak of borrowing from our grandchildren’s grandchildren in the history of civilization.
Keep digging up, stupid!
Gosh, Smiley, I dunno where to start. I am so wounded by your biting wit and inventiveness. (“Republican’ts,” “clusterCheneys” — your sheer inventiveness leaves me gasping at your brilliance and originality! Hope you paid that 6th grader for writing your material for you.)
Well, for one, Clinton wasn’t impeached over a blowjob. He was impeached for lying under oath during a civil matter where his sexual relationships with underlings, a very germane point in Paula Jones’ lawsuit. His lie was considerably more blatant than the one Scooter Libby was convicted over, and far more directly related to the trial.
The Enron investigations would have fallen under the purview of Attorney General Janet Reno.
“…the longest streak of borrowing from our grandchildren’s grandchildren in the history of civilization.”
Which has been thoroughly dwarfed by the “stimulus” bill.
Grow up a little, punk. Come back when you’re shaving more than once every two weeks or so.
J.
J.G.Thayer: “…your sheer inventiveness leaves me gasping at your brilliance and originality!”
This coming from the man who called me Stroke.
Your hypocrisy know no bounds.
Neither does your stupidity.
Calling you “Stroke” was, in retrospect, improper. I apologize.
I was attempting to match you for your sheer hissy-fitability. I should have known that your lengthy experience as a foul-mouthed, temper-tantrum-throwing, blithering idiot would trump any attempts I might make to match it.
However, I would point out that I don’t recall anyone else calling you “Stroke” around here. Smiley’s imprecations are hardly original — he must have picked them up at DU or something, and like a child with a new toy (a remarkably fit simile), he uses them whenever he can.
J.
Seeing as how Santelli has no relation to the group in question, and the original article has been pulled from Playboy, maybe Mr. Willis should put up something about how he seems to have been taken in.
Which has been thoroughly dwarfed by the “stimulus” bill.
Grow up a little, punk. Come back when you’re shaving more than once every two weeks or so.
J.
Bwhahahahahahahaha! Such intellectually stimulating and challenging (not to mention completely inaccurate) comments once again from the local expert in digging up to get his foot even further up his mouth! Besides not even paying attention to anything said and still trying to frame the Great Republican’t Clenis Hunt as being about the technicality your Republican’t masters spent $70 million (quite a bit more than was spent on the 9-11 clusterCheney, by the way. Thanks for ignoring that tons of trillions of lost dollars from the Not-Quite-So-Dry-Drunk you guys put in the Oval office and all that money lost by Republican’t assholishness along the way, too! The ghosts of New Orleans salute you!) and a couple of years of governmental investigative services on, you still lie about Obama’s stimulus package being larger than the sum of those oh so many lost dollars under the many fiscal shenanigans of the Republican’t junta of the new millennium.
Hypocrisy, blatant misrepresentation of the facts, and childish churlish attempts to deflect the discussion. You’ve got your Limbaugh Leader Manual down cold, Jay! Thanks for showing everyone here how a dissembling Republican’t still tries the same old tactics, even today, and still thinks they get to frame the debate even though they’ve been marginalized. Good job! I hope Scaife pays you guys well…
I know it’s been over a decade, Smiley — well over half your life, I’d bet — but how much of that $70 million would have been spent if Bill Clinton had just sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth and then actually done so? And here’s a hint — one doesn’t lose one’s law license for getting a blowjob; that usually involves some kind of violation of the law or ethics, such as committing perjury.
And kiddo, repeating the latest DU catchphrases makes you look like a twit. I could toss around alternatives — Democraps, B. Hussein Obama, Nancy Peelosi (that’s a reference to her apparent fondness for plastic surgery) — but it just ain’t worth it.
Which, upon further consideration, also describes you, Smiley.
J.
I know it’s been over a decade, Smiley — well over half your life, I’d bet — but how much of that $70 million would have been spent if Bill Clinton had just sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth and then actually done so?
Whitewater had nothing to do with that.
Oh, and Oliver, pretty much everyone else has backed off this story. Perhaps you’d care to join them?
J.