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Obama is smarter than the Republicans are. That was proved tonight.
When Obama was talking about the need to control the deficit, and all of the Republicans started cheering, I was thinking, “This is a trap. Trap. Trap. Trap.” And then Obama said, ‘A deficit I inherited.’
SLAM!
Trap closed.
Ouch.
BURN!
You’ve GOT to post the post-Jindal minutes on PBS where Lehrer is briefly gape-mouthed, David Brooks reams Jindal and the rest of the die hard GOP, Mark Shields does great analysis and then Lehrer actually says something like, “How do you come up with a speech like that? By committee? Or do you think he wrote it himself?” It went on and on like that and we could not stop laughing. Dear lord that was fun!
Obama’s speech tonight had more substance than everything written for Bush over 8 years. And watching a great human and great orator is so startling, after what we’ve been used to— plus seeing Obama, Biden and Pelosi in those spots—that I cab still hardley believe it.
“You’ve GOT to post the post-Jindal minutes on PBS where Lehrer is briefly gape-mouthed,”
I missed that.
Anyone have a link to see it online?
“Obama’s speech tonight had more substance than everything written for Bush over 8 years.”
Recently polling suggest people know there will be no quick fix to the economy, which means Obama will have till at after the 2010 elections before he has to show serious improvements.
So the Republicans can try and block everything Obama wants to do, but that will only hurt them in 2010 if nothing is done and there’s no improvement.
And if there is improvement, they are fucked.
(On a side note, I believe things will bottom out by the end of the year, or early next year, and by the 2010 mid-term elections there will be signs of improvement. However, they might not be as good as they were before the shit really hit the fan.)
However, should the Republicans so the smart thing, both politically and for the good of the country, which is work with Obama and act in a truly bi-partisan way, they will be killed by their base. Every Republican that comes out and supports Obama will get a primary challenge to the right. And the places that have closed primaries might have moderate Republicans leaving the party, meaning the remaining Republicans will be more extremists, and that could result in the party moving to the right.
That is the worst-case scenario for the party.
What a frackin loser.
What I’m hearing is that if the Republicans don’t cooperate with the Obamessiah, they are toast politically. Of course, if they DO cooperate with his Specialness, then they lose all political influence , and they are finished, too.
I think the Republicans should just pack their bags, and move out of the Capital.
“I think the Republicans should just pack their bags, and move out of the Capital”
I’m more than OK with that.
Am I loved that, not only does Obama speak in complete sentences, but he actually thinks in full paragraphs. After 8 years of speeches full of empty platitudes, it was nice. And I found it kind of funny that he looked annoyed at being interrputed by the constant applause.
Anyone else notice that the First Lady has some pretty decent arms on her?
Today’s Must Read:
Obama Needs a ‘Not To Do’ List
The global economic crisis is exposing the president’s preoccupations as the soppy indulgences they always were.
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…His will be a fascinating presidency to watch, not least because of his inexperience, his intellectual agility, and the crisis in which he finds himself. But his presidency will get really interesting in a year or two, or six months — whenever he finally realizes that everything he thought he wanted to do is irrelevant. He’ll then have to adapt an agenda for the world as it is, in which many childish things no longer have a place.
And, by the way, he kids himself if he believes he will be allowed, like FDR, to preside over a depression without being politically blamed for it. The public is different now — the world is different — and he will own the “Obama depression” sooner than he thinks.
And, America Wins…
Joe Biden, who is not an idiot anymore, forgets name of Recovery.gov.
“Do you know the website number?”
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“Nobody messes with Joe!”
God help us, all. Or as someone from MSNBC said on-air before Jindal spoke last evening, “Oh God!”
You know who really loved the speech? Investors.
I think the Republicans should just pack their bags, and move out of the Capital.
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ut his presidency will get really interesting in a year or two, or six months — whenever he finally realizes that everything he thought he wanted to do is irrelevant. He’ll then have to adapt an agenda for the world as it is, in which many childish things no longer have a place.
Childish things? health care reform in this country is childish? Fuck that.
“We choose to go to the moon and do the other things not because they are easy, but because they are hard.”
JFK
So the writer is saying we should address the nation’s problems because it’s too difficult? Again, I say, fuck that.
he kids himself if he believes he will be allowed, like FDR, to preside over a depression without being politically blamed for it.
Because nobody ever blamed Hoover for the clusterfuck he left behind. Good one.
*So the writer is saying we should not address the nation’s problems..
The public is different now — the world is different — and he will own the “Obama depression” sooner than he thinks.
So Dennis, a few days ago you were all in a huff about Obama talking down the economy. Today, your “must read” article is Wall Street Journal op ed, you know that paper that investors read, in which the writer is predicting a coming depression — soon.
That’s some awesome consistency you got going there.
… and you even bolded the depression part!
You’re a complete tool.
What, the Wall Street Journal disagreed with a Democratic president? I’m SHOCKED SHOCKED SHOCKED to find gambling going on in here.
… and you even bolded the depression part!–fafaroo
fafaroo-
I think you would be a much happier and centered person if you just pretended there were no opposing viewpoints to the Democratic agenda and only read the cheerleading stuff you get here. You seem a little too focused on what I write for someone with such a low opinion; and inconsistency in it’s own right.
But I don’t see the inconsistency you are talking about. He was talking down the economy and if his policy agenda results in further deepening of the economic crisis, he will own it and he won’t be able to blame it all on evil Republicans. How is that incongruent to you, good sir?
America indeed won.
The Repubs in the chamber may have finally realized that they are marching to obscurity. It was interesting to watch them bite their lips as they stoop to applaud the man they hate.
Why? They’re scared.
Repubs had their Blackberries tuned to the polls and those pollls clearly showed that our President was connecting with the MAJORITY of the American public.
They have a clear choice: Get out of town or disconnect from their lunatic base, the 20%’ers and work with the President.
I for one, hope they leave.
I’m SHOCKED SHOCKED SHOCKED to find gambling going on in here. –Oliver Willis
As much as I like that line, Oliver, it isn’t apt in this case, I don’t think. Where it would be apt would be in the prior thread where you lambaste Northern Trust for spending money on a golf tournament they had already committed to, an undertaking to bring in more business.
Since ‘And America Wins’ Mr. Barack Obama received a very sweet indeed sweetheart deal on his home mortgage with Northern Trust a few years ago, something you conveniently forget to acknowledge or even respond to afterward, I should think Captain Reaneault’s famous line would far more pertinent there for when Obama goes before the public and puts up the hard line about bank spending habits. I’m sure he is shocked, quite shocked indeed.
He was talking down the economy and if his policy agenda results in further deepening of the economic crisis, he will own it and he won’t be able to blame it all on evil Republicans.
And if it doesn’t?
Since ‘And America Wins’ Mr. Barack Obama received a very sweet indeed sweetheart deal on his home mortgage with Northern Trust a few years ago,
SO FUCKING WHAT?! You said yourself, happens every day, no big deal.
Now you’re simply being contrarian for it’s own sake. You have nothing useful to offer. That much is clear to me now.
SO FUCKING WHAT?! You said yourself, happens every day, no big deal.
It’s a big deal to get a sweetheart deal from a bank and then go public about that bank sponsoring a golf tournament and chastising it as wasteful spending. It’s not being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, Duros; you just don’t see the hypocrisy going on because you see no wrong at all in anything Democrats are doing right now.
They have a clear choice: Get out of town or disconnect from their lunatic base, the 20%’ers and work with the President.
I for one, hope they leave.
I honestly don’t. I hope they can man up and finally put country before party and work for the greater good instead being a bunch of WATB stamping their feet because they don’t get their own way anymore.
Of course, if they insist on the WATB route, I hope they run with it full force. I for one can’t wait til the mid-terms and Republican congresspeople go to their constituents and boldy say “I stood in the way of the nations recovery! I opposed EVERYTHING! Ibrought no jobs and no federal recovery funds to my state or my district! VOTE FER MEEEE!!!”
you just don’t see the hypocrisy going on because you see no wrong at all in anything Democrats are doing right now.
Right now? Or 5 frakkin’ years ago?
Obama getting a better than competitive rate is indicitive of Democratic hypocrisy how, exactly? Did the DNC lobby Northern Trust on Obama’s behalf?
Sweetheart deal?
Why make stuff up, Dennis? You have one line in the Washington Post that says the terms of Mr. Obama’s mortgage were better than the average of all loans issued around the same time.
The Post doesn’t compare the terms of Mr. Obama’s mortgage to similar mortgages issued to similar borrowers.
Do you need an explanation of what “average” means?
I opposed EVERYTHING! Ibrought no jobs and no federal recovery funds to my state or my district! VOTE FER MEEEE!!!” Duros
You’d prefer they go along; reluctantly voting with it and giving it their stamp of approval when they don’t like it, just for the show. And when things don’t go well and the country is in worse shape and people are even more pissed off two years from now, say, “Yeah, we voted for the bill, but we didn’t vote for the way it was executed; that’s all the Democrats’ fault.” And “We only voted for it because we were told it would work and Obama lied to us.”
That Dem version of WATB-ing is your preferred mode I take it, Duros?
You’d prefer they go along; reluctantly voting with it and giving it their stamp of approval when they don’t like it, just for the show.
No, Denny, you ignorant slut. I’d prefer they rise above the ideological sink-hole that the GOP is stuck in and work for the greater good. You cannot tell me that what they have been doing since Jan. 20 has been constructive.
If they don’t like it, they should introduce something else that will work. Tax cuts for the top 1% ain’t it.
I think where the Republicans are taking the cyanide pill here is forgetting that the median voter – not the median blog commenter, just the median voter – in this country isn’t all that ideological, and just wants to raise their kids, have a secure job, take a trip now and then and do something fun on the weekend. They’re not that concerned about some deep philosophical objection to the acceptance of federal money for help in their state budgets, and will vote for whichever side seems to promise a better route to those aforementioned priorities.
How’s this rejection of federal funds going to play in the middle, which doesn’t give a fig for myths about the independent American tough guy? Moreover, do the Republicans care? We all remember how excited they were that all their centrists lost.
If they’re gonna live by their stubborn principles of FAIL, they should be prepared to die by them as well.
Figuratively. Don’t wanna go all Hal Turner on anybody.
Sweetheart deal? — Quaker in a Basement
Yes. Absolutely. The kind of thing that you let the customer know he’s getting so that when you call him the next time for some of his investment protfolio money, he gives you due consideration. Is that a foreign concept to you?
Why make stuff up, Dennis? You have one line in the Washington Post that says the terms of Mr. Obama’s mortgage were better than the average of all loans issued around the same time. QIB
No, not making it up, Qibbie. And I posted another line from that article of the bank representative saying 1) they were competing with another bank 2) He was a new customer, and 3) He had over $3mm to invest that the bank was going for as well.
If he got their rate posted for that day, there’d be no reason to let the reporter know that, would there. If NT’s rate was just a better rate than the average that day, it’d be one thing, but that wasn’t the case. Obama got approved for a lower rate.
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The Post doesn’t compare the terms of Mr. Obama’s mortgage to similar mortgages issued to similar borrowers.–QIB
No, but they do divulge that preferential treatment is common on these types of mortgages. This was a jumbo mortgage, not a conventional one, so there’s usually more latitude in a bank as far as massaging the rate depending on what other business a customer can bring in.
Do you need an explanation of what “average” means?–QIB
Thanks, no, not at this time. Appreciate it, though, QIBbie. The Northern Trust story is bullshit. And so is not divulging that Obama got preferential treatment, but OW is not alone in that transgression, as MoDo did the same thing. But it’s pretty typical of politicians these days trying to act shocked at any behavior at all while at the same time having been the beneficiaries and participants of the same type behavior.
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The Northern Trust story is bullshit.
Agreed.
And so is not divulging that Obama got preferential treatment,
Who is not divulging it? I heard about this last winter. As it was reported then, as it is now, and as you yourself have said, Denny, no big deal, happens all the time. If that is the case, not really preferential, is it? Obama had $3M in assets at Northern Trust, just a signed a new book deal, running for President (or soon would), so, yeah, I think that Northern Trust could afford the risk.
I’ve said it five times already, Duros, but Northen Trust could afford to spend money on a golf tournament that they obviously knew they’d get a return on. For Obama and Barney Frank and Lurch and Maureen Dowd and Oliver not to divulge that Obama got a nice deal from Northern Trust that not everybody gets, the kind of thing you guys normally would get upset over if you didn’t get the same consideration, while at the same time claiming this attempt to get business was ‘lavish spending’ and ‘No More’ is just hypocritical grandstanding because it resonates to a lot of very pissed off people.
The EXACT same thing bloggers blast Rick Santelli for.
Prove it by providing objective sources, Dennis.
Can you do it or is it just one of your talki…opinions?
Frank DiSalle says: “What I’m hearing is that if the Republicans don’t cooperate with the Obamessiah, they are toast politically. Of course, if they DO cooperate with his Specialness, then they lose all political influence , and they are finished, too.”
Yes. That’s pretty much it.
You see, the Republican party is filled with morons and racist assholes and over the past 8 years destroyed their credibility and created a mess. Now they can either help clean it up while trying to repair their reputations, or they can try and block Obama at every step and hope the economy gets worse.
Neither of those is good news for Republicans, but the former is better than the latter. It will hurt them the least amount, and leave them able to compete in 2012, or 2016 at the latest.
Dennis: “‘and he will own the “Obama depression” sooner than he thinks.’”
Yeah, you keep pushing that talking point and watch as your minority in the legislative branch shrinks and shrinks and shrinks.
The EXACT same thing bloggers blast Rick Santelli for.
Some do. Other bloggers praise Santelli for it. You gonna jump their case too?
How is that incongruent to you, good sir?
Dennis, the guy is PREDICTING a depression. You wrote “if” his policies lead a downturn.
Your “must read of the day” wrote:
There’s no “ifs” about it in this sentence or in the piece. It’s central thesis is that Obama has a lot of plans that he isn’t going to be able to put into effect because we’re headed for a depression.
And yet, the above passage is the same passage you couldn’t, and you think you read an “if” there. So either you really didn’t take the time to read and understand your “read of the day” or you’re a total tool.
Following up the point, if Obama got up on a podium and said we’re headed for a depression, you’d lose your shit.
But when op ed columnist in the WSJ says that we’re headed for a depression, it’s your “must read of the day”.
If you want Obama to cheerlead the economy, fine. But how is the president supposed to convince investors and banks that everything’s going to be awesome, when conservatives, including you, are screaming DEPRESSION, COMMUNISM and THE END OF AMERICA as we know it?
If you want Obama to cheerlead the economy, fine.
Nah, that’s John McCain’s job.
Fafaroo-
If an op-ed columnist in the WSJ thinks there’s a good chance we are headed for a depression because of the plans Obama thinks he can effect that no one has been able to do before and his turn out disastrous, that is one thing. Obama as the president of the US saying we are heading for a depression if we don’t pass the legislation he wants enacted, that is quite another. It’s not inconsistent in what I’ve complained about here and many others have that Obama is talking in very, very negative terms about the economy.
It’s like, yes things are bad; very, very bad. Something I inherited. For, I can’t tell you how bad they are, well, scratch that, let me tell you again how bad they are… they are so bad…. So we must go along with my plans.
‘But, hey, if those plans don’t work and push us further into the hole than we were before, the one I took great pains to warn you about, then, hey, don’t blame me. Remember, I inherited all this. Bush made me do this. I wouldn’t have done all this if Bush didn’t make it necessary to do it. ChimpyMcBushHitler, that guy. Friend of Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and Joe the Plumber and Rick Santelli. You all know those guys, right. Blame those guys’.
Not inconsistent at all, fafaroo.
And you’re trying too hard, dude.
Obama saying his plan will lead to recovery is bad for the economy.
Conservatives saying Obama’s plan will lead to a depression is good for the economy.
Check.
Conservatives saying Obama’s plan will lead to a depression is good for the economy. fafaroo
I think Barack Obama gets a little more attention than this journalist at the Wall Street Journal does, fafaroo.
Dick Morris says it even better than I can, if you can believe that. Maybe he checks in here and has seen our argument, who knows. But this should clear up some of the confusion you seem to be havng with this concept. Cheers.
It’s Obama Spreading Panic
Shorter Morris:
We’re headed for a depression unless Obama stops noticing that we’re headed for a depression.
Dick Morris says it even better than I can, if you can believe that.
I note that Morris doesn’t supply any actual quotes from Obama to support his argument. Not a single word from Obama in quotations. Which is why I understand your compliment: from one hack to another.
Morris claims that Obama is preaching “Doom and gloom”. Really?
Did he show up at the Fox news studios late and miss the opening of Obama’s state of the union address, when Obama said: “We will rebuild, we will recover, and the United States of America will emerge stronger than before.”
Did he miss the part where Obama said: “The recovery plan and the financial stability plan are the immediate steps we’re taking to revive our economy in the short-term.”
Obama is talking about recovery, growth and an America that will emerge stronger than ever from this crisis.
Here’s how Obama described the crisis in his state of the union:
Here’s how Morris describes the financial crisis:
Now you tell me how those descriptions are any different?
Of course, Obama went on to say:
But Morris says this:
Obama’s final words in the speech were: “We are not quitters.”
And yet Morris still asks: “Why does Obama preach gloom and doom?”
Now how in the fuck can Obama say “Now is the time to act boldly and wisely” but Morris heard “fear and trepidation”?
How can Obama say “We are not quitters” but Morris hears “doom and gloom”?
I’ll tell you how. Because Morris is a hack. As you are. You guys hear what you want to hear and simply pretend the rest doesn’t exist. Why? Because you don’t like Obama’s policies for the recovery. Great. Why don’t you stick to debating the facts of those policies, then, instead trumping up a bunch of bullshit that’s false on its face.
Morris describes the economic reality we’re facing in almost the exact same terms that Obama does.
The only difference is that where Obama goes on to explain exactly what he’s done and wants to do to fix the mess and that he has faith that we will be stronger economically for them, Morris spews a bunch of with no counter plan, no solutions, not even a quote to back up his claims of Obama preaching “doom and gloom”.
All you guys have left is bullshit.
I think Barack Obama gets a little more attention than this journalist at the Wall Street Journal does, fafaroo.
Dude, it clearly isn’t just this WSJ op ed writer. It’s conservatives of every stripe, from bloggers to congressmen, from talk radio to Fox news, all chanting the chorus of DEPRESSION, COMMUNISM and THE END OF AMERICA.
Conversatives are the one’s now preaching “doom and gloom”.
You yourself agreed with Alan Keyes that Obama is going to destroy America as we know it.
If you disagree with Obama’s policies, again, fine. Whatever. But conservatives across the spectrum are not making good faith arguments against Obama’s plans. They are speaking in apocalyptic terms of depression, destruction and the end of America as we know it.
You yourself wrote, agreeing with Keyes:
Multiply that by the entire conservative message machine and conservatives themselves should start thinking about how their rhetoric is dampening the chances for recovery.
Of course, to you, shouting from the rooftops, laptops and airwaves that Obama is “destroying America as we now it” is an entirely reasonable thing to say just two months into his presidency.
Fucking morons.