’)If you thought Alan Keyes, failed senate and presidential candidate – former MSNBC host – could get no crazier for his radical anti-choice positions and his general nuttiness, you were wrong. The candidacy and now presidency of Barack Obama have made old Alan go off the rails even more. He’s an Obama birth certifcate truther and his comments are getting even better:
“Obama is a radical communist, and I think it is becoming clear. That is what I told people in Illinois and now everybody realizes it’s true,” said Keyes, who ran unsuccessfully against Obama for the state’s open Senate seat in 2004. “He is going to destroy this country, and we are either going to stop him or the United States of America is going to cease to exist.”
Of course, the problem with Keyes’ nutty rhetoric is that it echoes many of the words and sentiments felt by every day Republicans.
It’s a Truther party.
“He is going to destroy this country, and we are either going to stop him or the United States of America is going to cease to exist.”
Yet if you read that statement to anyone with no attribution to anyone in particular and asked them who said it, chances are highly likely the average person would say it was made by a liberal about George W. Bush.
chances are highly likely the average person would say it was made by a liberal about George W. Bush.
But it wasn’t, though, was it?
I don’t get this. In most lines of work, there’s some sort of accountability. If a teacher’s students don’t learn to read, or if an auto machinist doesn’t make cars, that person will probably lose their job. And yet, political pundits can just be provocative and keep collecting paychecks. They can be wildly, spectacularly, consistently wrong and people will keep bringing them on and people will keep listening. How about we keep this for 2012, and when Alan’s utterly wrong, we can say ‘Okay Keyes, we’ve heard enough, don’t let the door hit you.’
chances are highly likely the average person would say it was made by a liberal about George W. Bush
Yeah, thats why President Obama was handed a country in such great shape!
How do you spell “sedition”?
Of course, the problem with
Keyes’Oliver’s nutty rhetoric is that it echoesmanyall of the words and sentiments felt by every dayRepublicansDemocrats.Generalizations without support – so easy, even a caveman can do it!
Saying that Keyes is the voice of Republicans is akin to saying Sharpton is the voice of Democrats. Right?
Except mainline Dems do not echo Sharpton the way that mainline Republicans do Keyes. Sorry that’s a fact, but it is.
Also note that there are no reporters or pundits loudly demanding that John Boehner or John McCain “distance” themselves from Keyes. If indeed Al Sharpton HAD said something close to this, you can bet they’d be all over Obama to disavow comments he didn’t make.
“Except mainline Dems do not echo Sharpton the way that mainline Republicans do Keyes. Sorry that’s a fact, but it is.”
Uhh, I think you were pretty much echoing Al Sharpton about all of last week with the cartoon controversy. You actually even kinda one-upped him. But nevertheless, it seems more than a few main-line Dems were solidly behind him on it, too.
Not sure what you mean by that claim. Baffling.
Uhh, I think you were pretty much echoing Al Sharpton about all of last week with the cartoon controversy.
That’s because a busted clock is right about once a day. I’ve got a pretty clear record of not liking or trusting Sharpton. He happened to be right this time around, and the right rushed to defend racism, again.
Richard Shelby and Alan Keyes love them some Birchers
Sorry that’s a fact, but it is.
Just because the voices in your head tell you they’re facts doesn’t make it so.
He happened to be right this time around, and the right rushed to defend racism, again. OW
Not sure it was just people on the right who didn’t see that cartoon as racism, although many thought it was a lousy cartoon and in poor taste. Not sure that the right had an official response saying they defended the cartoon, either. Pretty sure the Post apologized if they offended anyone; that that was not their intention. Not something racists typically do.
The Post didn’t apologize for Sharpton’s inflammations, however.
Not sure how they would’ve responded to your claiming it was all a NY Post, FoxNews, Rupert Murdoch and vast right-wing, all-encompassing conspiracy, but I can only guess.
Goodness, what a lot of deflecting and misdirecting. Bush? Sharpton? Chimp cartoons?
What about Mr. Keyes, gentlemen? Do you agree with him or not?
Personally, I think another rendition of Somewhere Over the Rainbow would have made more sense.
chances are highly likely the average person would say it was made by a liberal about George W. Bush
…he wrote, without a shred of an iota of the hint of a citation to support this claim.
I’m with you, Quaker. Can we all just agree that Alan Keyes is nutty and be done with it?
Why do we all have to do this “He’s not as bad as ___!” or He’s just as bad as ___!”
We need to not listen to him anymore. And we need to let the media know not to talk to him anymore.
This seems a good place to start.
I think that we’re just now seeing conservatives grasping the fact that they are now actually out of power, and that liberals actually intend on governing.
Sure, there was a degree of realization from election night up until the inauguration, but I think with the realization that Obama’s actually passing legislation over conservative opposition, they’re having to enter a whole new phase of grief and unhingedness.
I think that we’re just now seeing conservatives grasping the fact that they are now actually out of power, and that liberals actually intend on governing. –El Syd
So when will Obama, Democrats and liberal blogs stop acting so afraid of what the evil Republicans, conservative pundits and the scary Fox News channel say every day?
Even you guys can’t stop it.
You’re confusing “fear” to the previous Democratic strategy of trying to ignore it as the mainstream press takes right-wing bullshit seriously.
Even though they clearly lost an election, and Democrats ought be able to set the agenda, Democrats are still in general too addicted to the nonsense mainstream Beltway of the last 30 years of insanity, and Republicans never miss an opportunity for treason and national harm, so they and their lackeys should no more be allowed to operate in the dark than any other forms of pestilence.
Any of you conservatives going to discuss Alan’s comments? Consider this an open invitation, gentlemen.
So when will Obama, Democrats and liberal blogs stop acting so afraid of what the evil Republicans, conservative pundits and the scary Fox News channel say every day?
I’m not certain ‘fear’ is the correct emotion, here, amigo. In fact, I’m entirely certain that it isn’t.
Republicans never miss an opportunity for treason and national harm
I keep seeing “treason” being flung around more and more by libtards against Republicans who dare to disagree with President Hopenchange’s Porkulus spending plan.
These would be the same idiots who claimed that their lack of 100% support for the war efforts was “patriotic dissent”.
I’m not certain ‘fear’ is the correct emotion, here, amigo. In fact, I’m entirely certain that it isn’t.
Well, something seems to be bugging the shit out of you guys, Parthy. Witness the evil reporter who voted for John McCain that expressed an opinion not in complete adoration of Barack Obama’s mortgage bailout plan.
Liberal blogs are still talking about him four days later. It’s almost as if Santelli happened upon Obama at a campaign rally and asked him if he was going to raise his taxes and Obama let it slip that he wanted to spread the wealth, liberals are so incensed.
Any of you conservatives going to discuss Alan’s comments? Consider this an open invitation, gentlemen. Parthy
I think we have been, Parth. I think we have all been pretty much in agreement and on topic here and of late that we agree that Obama is a bit on the radical side of things economically, that he’s using the crisis to further his agenda of redistribution, and that He is sending this country on a dangerous path of destruction, and the US as we know it will cease to exist.
Seems pointless to keep repeating that, but if you insist, I guess I will try to oblige.
DOW down 200 points now. Apparently other people agree with Mr. Keyes.
Liberal blogs are still talking about him four days later.
Yeah, the rightwing blogs sure clammed up about Ayers and Wright after a minute or two, didn’t they? They never claimed that Obama was influenced by these associations, and they dropped the issue once they found it was a non-starter.
Okay, I lied. That doesn’t make me a Republican.
Alan Keyes is still talking his nonsense MONTHS later.
Did you have a response to Keyes’ insanity? Can you at least agree that it IS insanity?
You’re confusing “fear” to the previous Democratic strategy of trying to ignore it as the mainstream press takes right-wing bullshit seriously. OW
If Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann don’t follow their usual lead of repeating DKos and HuffPo and report on Rick Santelli that night and liberal blogs don’t start foaming at the mouth at what he said because Drudge did a red-light siren on the guy’s tirade, that becomes a one or two day story at best. Now were’ on Day Five and Santelli is becoming more and more pronounced. Joe Gibbs even has to get in on the act, and today, Obama blames doubts and confusion about his mortgage bailout scheme on the usual cable news (read, Fox) chatter.
Meanwhile, the DOW goes down yet again after he speaks, 240 points on the day. This is what Keyes is talking about.
Say Good night, Gracie. America as you knew it is no longer.
And yet you guys claim KO and Matthews don’t matter. Which story is it today? The MSM was hyping Santelli long before Gibbs offered his comment. Also, when the DOW is up several thousand points a few years down the line I’m sure you’ll find a way to give the GOP credit for it. LOL.
Just because the voices in your head tell you they’re facts doesn’t make it so.
ReactionaryDildoJackassVirtuallySaysWhat?
Love how Dennis has to hang a nickname–consistently lame ones–on anyone with whom he disagrees (i.e., The Reality Based) so’s to gain some perceived advantage. No wonder he lurved Commander Bunnypants so much; douchebag minds think alike.
OK, first of all, Alan Keyes represents no one other than himself and is brought out by the Rethugs when the rancid right want to say “nigger” in public without getting slapped. His self hatred gives him a perfect pigeionhole in the GOP. We all know that’s his nitch in the G.oosesteppin’ O.bstructionist P.arty as is Mike “Steal”. Everyone sees him for the irrelevent ass he is even if he doesn’t.
He’s just another draft dodging, homophobic educated fool and Bill Krystal wannabee. That’s it.
The big issue I have here is why, with so much horrible economic turmoil and unemployment affecting every state there are still people that defend the policies and the people i.e. the party, that pushed us into this mess that has led to more poverty, unemployment and closed business.
Yet the “Republicans”, who claim sole ownership of words like “treason”, “patriot” and “American” and feel entitle to define who those words apply to, bitch and whine at the well deserved criticism leveled at them for their arrogance toward the people.
Why do they still spread the lies and dishonest rhetoric? Is their hatred of Obama or the Democrats (or both) so strong that they would rather see the country they claim to “love” so much further destroyed?
I don’t get the reasoning behind because the rescuing of this country is not an issue of political ideals but a rea-life one that affects all of us. Real people are in trouble.
Time to come clean here. Here’s a question for Dennis, Joachim, Dave and the like minde bloviators.
How do you validate your defense of today’s GOP (“conservative”) supported rhetoric? What point, other than just being critical with ABSOLUTELY no alternative solutions, are you trying to make and why do you come here to do it?
Let’s hear a little honesty in your answers.
Thank frigging’ god, since the America I’ve known for 30 years was hypnotized by dumbass zombie Reagan into thinking that because the South went Republican that everyone suddenly loved the bullshit that the ultra-right was spewing.
And I’m really, really scared of electoral consequences. Just like those Republicans showed that damn socialist class traitor FDR in 1936, and 1940, and in 1944 again.
And I assure you, when I note Republicans’ attraction to neo-Confederate treason, it isn’t because of Obama — it’s because Republicans always, everywhere, do every last thing they can to undermine America and Americans. And although I’ve learned to expect a degree of bureaucratic lawlessness from any government, nobody hates the Constitution like Republicans. If it weren’t for the 2nd Amendment, there’s hardly a part of the Constitution they’d respect.
I dunno, maybe someone else can explain why Republicans worked so hard to give Osama bin Laden everything he ever wanted.
No wonder we are down today. The market, I mean, not the general mood here necessarily.
This is not reassuring.
Joe Biden in charge of the “stimulus” package?
God help us all.
Can anyone here defend this ‘Farkin’ Idiot’ being in charge of the troubled stimulus package now???
Can anyone here defend this ‘Farkin’ Idiot’ being in charge of the troubled stimulus package now???
“Troubled” in this case meaning passed by the House and Senate and signed into law by the President. And Joe Biden, for all his verbal gaffes, was elected to his position by 69.4 million. Far more authority to manage this process than shooting a friend in the face or justifying torture.
How do you validate your defense of today’s GOP (”conservative”) supported rhetoric?
Why don’t you try listing specific policies, rather than a generic “conservative rhetoric”?
What point, other than just being critical with ABSOLUTELY no alternative solutions, are you trying to make and why do you come here to do it?
I seem to recall a couple of Republican alternatives to the Porkulus spending bill. Both were a mixture of tax cuts and targeted stimulus with a far smaller price tag. Both were rejected out of hand by Pelosi and Reid. Hell, even a Democrat (Rep. Walt Minnick) had a far better idea than this monstrosity that Obama pushed through with his dire threats of “CATASTROPHE!!!” if it wasn’t enacted immediately. His idea was shunned as well.
Dennis, can you defend yourself. I posed a question for you, have an answer?
Also, when the DOW is up several thousand points a few years down the line I’m sure you’ll find a way to give the GOP credit for it. LOL OW
Oliver, I want the market to go up no matter who gets credit for it. I kid you guys for the most part about the DOW; it’s not all his fault. And the crisis is not all George Bush’s fault. But see my post just before this one, and tell me that gives you confidence that a guy you have no respect for is now going to be in charge of this monstrosity. It only adding insult to injury.
Also, when the DOW is up several thousand points a few years down the line I’m sure you’ll find a way to give the GOP credit for it. LOL.
And when it’s down even further than it is today, I’m sure you’ll find a way to blame it on Boooosh and the GOP.
Dennis, can you defend yourself. I posed a question for you, have an answer?
No, Zardoz, I told you, like apparently everyone else is doing here now, I’m exercising my scroll option when I see your handle.
I’ll say this. At least chris Matthews and Keith O. aren’t willing liars and earnestly fact-check they’re info. They both show their humanity more than most in their field.
They can be trusted more the the Rethug talking turds combined to give good opinions based on the known facts and not something they pulled out of Limbaugh or Hannity’s ass.
And they apologize for their mistakes. Imagine that!
We need more like them on the air.
nobody hates the Constitution like Republicans
Except for those pesky Democrats, who find so much of the Constitution “inconvenient” to furthering their progressive goals. To them it’s a “living” document, badly in need of rewriting.
I dunno, maybe someone else can explain why Republicans worked so hard to give Osama bin Laden everything he ever wanted.
How about you FIRST demonstrate that they did? Idiot.
Ok, Dennis, do your Rethug thing and run. I’d expect no less.
I’ll say this. At least chris Matthews and Keith O. aren’t willing liars and earnestly fact-check they’re info. They both show their humanity more than most in their field.
Thanks, zardoz. I needed a good belly laugh and this did the trick.
I think we have all been pretty much in agreement and on topic here and of late that we agree that Obama is a bit on the radical side of things economically, that he’s using the crisis to further his agenda of redistribution, and that He is sending this country on a dangerous path of destruction, and the US as we know it will cease to exist.
There’s your answer joaquin. Mr. Keyes speaks Dennis’ mind.
Oliver-
You said he was both an idiot and a racist. How can you condone someone being in charge of the stimulus package who is either of those things, much less both?
Not getting it from you, once again. Why are you defending a racist?
I think we have all been pretty much in agreement and on topic here
You have not. You boys have been flailing since you got here about everybody except Alan Keys.
Dennis, can you defend yourself. I posed a question for you, have an answer?
I’ll get this one. The answer is “no.” Dennis, you owe me one.
I’ll get this one. The answer is “no.” Dennis, you owe me one.– Mister ed
Scrollin’, scrolling’, scrollin’.
Don’t try to understand ‘em,
Just rope and throw and grab ‘em.
This is not reassuring.
Joe Biden in charge of the “stimulus” package?
God help us all.
No. He isn’t.
What’s next?
No. He isn’t. Duros62
Still, you guys say he’s an idiot and a racist, Durocell.
Can’t you stick him in a closet somewhere where he can’t do any more damage to himself and others?
Dennis… who the fuck are you talking about? “You guys say he’s an idiot and a racist…” Who is “you guys?”
I don’t think that Biden is an idiot, nor a racist. He makes embarrassing verbal gaffes sometimes, but that alone doesn’t make him an idiot. Now, when you both say and do stupid shit, that probably makes you an idiot. See Bush, George W.
I also like how Duros just showed that you were completely wrong about Biden’s role with regard to the stimulus package, and you don’t even blink as you disregard his truth-telling to your bullshit-spewing. “Still…” Dude, you’re shameless.
In summation: You are an idiot. Please lock YOURSELF in a closet so that you cannot continue to infect the intertubes with your stupendous stupidity. Much appreciated!
Wow, Oliver. You really seem to be attracting all of the crazy wingnuts today.
It’s really hard to think of very many Republicans more irrelevant than Keyes. This most likely means that he will soon be thrust into the position of All-Knowing Sage Who Will Lead The Party to Salvation by the wingnuts.
“Obama is a radical communist”
Yet he’s still not on the ‘nationalization of banks bandwagon’ as is the Randroidian-Capitalist Greenspan.
“That is what I told people in Illinois and now everybody realizes it’s true.”
Yet most of “everybody” is approving of Obama’s job so they must also be approving of radical communism.
“He is going to destroy this country, and we are either going to stop him or the United States of America is going to cease to exist.”
Last time it was Islamofascism that was going to destroy this country – turned out to be unregulated greed (ourselves). Whoops.
OTOH, Thomas Sowell still seems sane. But since the little conservanauts barely understand what the hell he talks about we don’t see him on TV nearly as much as simpler-minded “experts” like Hannity and Coulter.
I don’t think that Biden is an idiot, nor a racist.
Nor do I.
Bombshell: Lincoln, Reagan, Clinton, 15 other U.S. presidents held office illegally
Abolition of slavery, WWII armistice could be at risk
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http://wineandexcrement.com/bombshell-lincoln-reagan-clinton-15-other-us-presidents-held-office-illegally/667/
I don’t think Biden is an idiot, nor a racist. –mambochicken23
“Nor do I.” –Duros62
Oh, really, Duros?
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Duros62 says:
January 31, 2007 at 12:30 pm
“…if a Republican had been so stupid, he would be a racist?”
Okay, I’ll say it. he’s an idiot racist.
There, happy now?
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Someone has some ’splaining to do, Duros. I know you won’t feel like you owe me any explanations, but I’d think to everyone else here you do.
Dennis… who the fuck are you talking about? “You guys say he’s an idiot and a racist…” Who is “you guys?”
I don’t think that Biden is an idiot, nor a racist. –mambochicken23
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Uhh, “you guys”, would be literally, “you guys”, mambochicken.
In particular, you.
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mambochicken23 says:
January 31, 2007 at 1:42 pm
“Biden’s clearly a idiotic racist, I doubt you’ll get any argument from anyone on that point”.
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‘Stupendous stupidity’, mambochicken. Do tell.
He is sending this country on a dangerous path of destruction, and the US as we know it will cease to exist.
Well, there’s one more troll no one need ever take seriously ever again.
Congratulations, Dennis. You’ve officially achieved Jay Tea status.
Holy shit. I actually wrote that. The revaluation of one’s opinions over time, and the complete dissolution of old views… from a psychological perspective, it’s very fascinating.
The question then becomes: Did I think he was racist then in part because he was opposing my preferred candidate, or do I think he’s not a racist now because he’s a part of the ticket that I voted for (amongst other reasons)? Cognitive dissonance is quite the bitch, of course…
Touche, Dennis. Well played.
Keyes. Palin. Limbaugh.
Truly a party of bigots and asshats.
Touche, Dennis. Well played. — mambochicken23
Actually, mambo, sorry, I really didn’t want to do that. I assumed everyone here knew what I was referring to. The person I directed the question to knew, but I should’ve still just left it alone. Appreciate your honesty. You’re a good dude, and I hope telling you that doesn’t hurt your cred here.
Congratulations, Dennis. You’ve officially achieved Jay Tea status. –fafaroo
And you honestly seem to be shooting for Mister ed and Zardozinhell status, fafaroo.
You’re regressing faster than Benjamin Button.
I second what mambochicken said.
Touche’ indeed, Denny.
You win this round, my friend.
No biggie, Duros, but appreciate that.
Btw, here’s Rupert Murdoch’s statement on that cartoon.
Keyes never told anyone in Illinois about Obama being a radical communist. Of course if he did, he possibly would have been dismissed as even crazier and might have even lost votes so that the crazification factor would be even lower that 27%.
Just goes to show that not only is Keyes crazy, he’s dishonest as well. Typical movement conservative.
It’s getting on in years, sure, but it’s never lost its validity — the essay “The Paranoid Style in American Politics”:
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/the_paranoid_style.html
Quote:
“The paranoid spokesman sees the fate of conspiracy in apocalyptic terms — he traffics in the birth and death of whole worlds, whole political orders, whole systems of human values. He is always manning the barricades of civilization… he does not see social conflict as something to be mediated and compromised, in the manner of the working politician.
“Since what is at stake is always a conflict between absolute good and absolute evil, what is necessary is not compromise but the will to fight things out to a finish.”
In yo’ face, Keyes.
Dennis: “And you honestly seem to be shooting for Mister ed and Zardozinhell status, fafaroo.”
It’s amazing how many people fall into that category. It’s almost like you’re the problem and not practically everyone you debate with.