Not paying any attention to the irony of your whining about this bill, loaded with Republican’t concessions, to the one that Putsch and the Republican’ts demanded we pass right away without even looking at it?

Dude, that doesn’t even make any sense. What is ironic about me “whining” about the stimulus bill? I didn’t support the bank bailout. I didn’t support the stimulus bill back in 2008. I’m pretty consistent about deriding excessive government spending regardless of the political party executing it. Did you mean to write something else and just forgot to complete the thought?

Yet another unfounded, unsourced, and (as is par for the course for traitorous hypocritical lying Republican’t boy blowers like SFC B.

So, Tom, did you write “Perhaps you have forgotten the $750 billion ‘stimulus’ to the banking industry so that they could redecorate their offices and pay each other multi-million dollar bonuses?” on the 23rd @ 9:22? Cause if you didn’t, someone is impersonating you. Maybe I misunderstood you then, and you weren’t complaining about the bank bailout. I am making an assumption that you’re a partistan Democrat. If you’re actually a member of some other party then I apologize for using you as my example, but my point remains.

Apology accepted.

Apparently, it only takes you a few comments in one post before you start misrepresenting me once again. Good job, Republican’t Putsch fluffer, showing us your true colors again.

Isn’t it amazing how Republican’t hypocrites can be so oblivious to their bullshit?

Seriously though, as you typed that bit about rushing legislation through the House and Senate without taking time to read it, did you feel the least bit of irony given the mouth-raping the Obama Administration just performed with cramming this $787,000,000,000.00 down our throats?

Right. Not paying any attention to the irony of your whining about this bill, loaded with Republican’t concessions, to the one that Putsch and the Republican’ts demanded we pass right away without even looking at it?

If you’re a partistan Democrat who is complaining about the bill in question (ex: Tom) then yes.

Yet another unfounded, unsourced, and (as is par for the course for traitorous hypocritical lying Republican’t boy blowers like SFC B. Thanks, bed wetting chickenhawk, for showing your true colors once again.

Cheap Republican’t crack whores apparently have no shame…

So when a Republican President promotes a large spending bill that is not seriously opposed by a Democratic Congress- its the Congress fault.

If you’re a partistan Democrat who is complaining about the bill in question (ex: Tom) then yes.

And when a Democratic president promotes a large spending bill that is not seriously opposed written by a Democratic Congress- its the Presidents fault AND Congress.

With that minor correction, yes.

I hope this clears some of this up for you.

And when a Democratic president promotes a large spending bill that is not seriously opposed by a Democratic Congress- its the Presidents fault AND Congress.

Nice way of passing the buck there, guy.

I’m sorry, which party’s president rushed the legislation through Congress, demanding that they pass it without even reading it?

Apology accepted.

Seriously though, as you typed that bit about rushing legislation through the House and Senate without taking time to read it, did you feel the least bit of irony given the mouth-raping the Obama Administration just performed with cramming this $787,000,000,000.00 down our throats?

Pelosi should have worked on impeaching the chimp instead of listening to any of the Repulican’t bullshit coming out of them (even today).

I’m sure you like to stroke off to the thought of citizen Bush being perp-walked somewhere, however it might have been better for the country if Pelosi and Reid had simply done their jobs and resisted the executive branch trying to push a massive spending bill through during the out-going President’s last quarter. Of course, that would have required them to have something vaguely resembling a backbone. And, while there is nearly a trillion dollars of spending available, none of it is allocated to paying for some confidence courses for House or Senate Democrats.

I’m sorry, which party’s president rushed the legislation through Congress, demanding that they pass it without even reading it? A drunken monkey who was illegally installed into the presidency was the architect behind this (yet another) giveaway to the rich at the expense of the poor. Funny how you only seem to be capable of assigning blame to one side of the aisle…

Dems have always been wrong to try and work with the party that likes to date rape their opponents. Pelosi should have worked on impeaching the chimp instead of listening to any of the Repulican’t bullshit coming out of them (even today). Reid should have been making Republican’ts filibuster. So, no, I’m not a Dem shill who thinks they can do no wrong.

Would you like to try and misrepresent my position again?

Perhaps you have forgotten the $750 billion “stimulus”

No. I didn’t. I was referring to the bill passed in FEB of 2008. It was sold as a stimulus bill to try and prevent or shorten this current recession (see how well it worked?). The $750,000,000,000.00 (Bush is only on the hook for the first $350,000,000,000.00, Obama is spending the second half) was to try and prevent banks from failing. You’d think that with the low bar set by the Bush administration to do anything useful in the financial industry the Obama administration wouldn’t be running nuts first into that bar.

** I’m sorry, which party held the legislature when TARP was passed? A monkey would have been able to write a better piece of legislation than was passed to “rescue” the banks.

Excuse me? Perhaps you have forgotten the $750 billion “stimulus” to the banking industry so that they could redecorate their offices and pay each other multi-million dollar bonuses?*

Nice selective outrage you gots there…

* – it certainly doesn’t seem to be being used for what the Republicant’s said they’d be using it for. Funny how that seems to have escaped your attention, too…

No – eight years of disastrous unrestrained Republican’t fiscal policy did that. Funny, you don’t seem to notice the disaster in the White House for the last eight years, and rushed back to the last legally elected president before Obama when you assigned blame for this increase. I wonder why that is?

I wasn’t the one who originally mentioned Clinton’s ’93 bill, but fair enough. Bush’s 2008 Stimulus bill cost $152,000,000,000.00. Obama’s cost $787,000,000,000.00. Obama’s is still $535,000,000,000.00 more than the stimulus bill signed almost a year to the date from the previous one.

Of course the reason Bush’s didn’t work is obvious. The government didn’t spend enough money it doesn’t have. So, to correct the failed policies of failure, and to fix the deficit he inherited, President Obama will spend an additional half a trillion dollars to stimulate the US economy. Bush’s measly $150,000,000,000.00 only put checks worth $600-$1200 into the pockets of Americans. With the burly and powerful $787,000,000,000.00 stimulus of President Obama, Americans will be getting checks for $400-$800.

Sarcasm aside, poor people and other wage earners under $100k pay 16% of their wages to taxes before they even see a income tax form. Someone making $1 million pays 1.6% of their salary (if it is taken as salary, there is no payroll tax for stock benefits, options,dividends, etc.) for payroll taxes, someone making $10k pays 16%. Hardly seems fair, does it?

Just before someone questions the 16%, the employers half does impact wages, it’s just paperwork to say that the employer must pay.

He raised payroll taxes. He raised them beyond the level needed to sustain benefits paid out over the last 25 years–and the next 10.

What did we do with the extra payroll tax money collected? We loaned it to the general fund. Why? To keep the marginal tax rates at the top of the income scale down.

In a rational world, the general fund would pay its own way. Excess payroll taxes would pay down debt, increasing the ability of the Treasury to borrow in the future.

Some guy once had a plan he called a “lockbox.” Conservatives made fun of him.

Why do you hate America? Why do you want the President to fail?

President Clinton’s 1993 Stimulus Bill: $30,000,000,000.00
President Obama’a 2009 Stimulus Bill: At least $787,000,000,000.00.

Inflation from 1993 to 2009 does not account for that difference.

No – eight years of disastrous unrestrained Republican’t fiscal policy did that. Funny, you don’t seem to notice the disaster in the White House for the last eight years, and rushed back to the last legally elected president before Obama when you assigned blame for this increase. I wonder why that is?

Dennis says, February 23, 2009 at 12:12 pm

Dennis cheers from his mother’s basement. “It’s wonderful!” “We need more tax giveaways to the rich” Tom

If you’ve read anything I written lately, Shit for Brains, I have hardly been cheering. Leaving that up to you guys to wave the pom-poms, some all the way from foreign countries- how special.

I’ve been reading your pathetic Republican’t squealing for quite some time now, Empty Headed Food Trough Wiper, and, surprisingly, you continue to remain the ignorant Republican’t motherCheneying icehole you always have been. I haven’t been waving any pom-poms either, so the “you guys” part of that statement is just as clueless as the rest of your hogwash. I don’t leave anything up to anybody (thanks once again for a vague, irrelevant, and completely dishonest Republican’t screed – do they pay you guys by the lie?), but I’ve seen your shameless one-sided hypocrisy for years now.

Dave in SoCal says, February 23, 2009 at 3:25 pm

Tom, that is some major league stupid you got going on there.

Coming from someone who never backs up any of his Republican’t fantasies with, you know, facts and stuff, that means so… little.

It is highly amusing to watch all you Republican’ts with your panties in a bunch, flailing away blindly, and robotically sticking to the same horseshit that got you marginalized last November. Heckuva job, guys! Keep up the good work!

Inflation from 1993 to 2009 does not account for that difference.

You don’t think there is any difference in these? Hell, it took months of debate to get the Clinton bill through the legislature. Despite it being the “worst economy in 50 years”, Clinton and his party managed to have some decorum and make an honest effort to take their time and do it right. This time around, spending $757,000,000,000.00 more, it gets rushed through the legislature and is being signed by the president before the end of his first month. That is not a feature. That’s a bug.

And that is just for the stimulus portion. We’re looking at an additional $75,000,000,000.00-$275,000,000,000.00 for the mortgage bill he’s talking about. Will the bailout for GM and Chrysler come from the stimulus bill? From TARP II? From some unannounced Save American Cars Act? Hell, GM is asking for as much money as Bill Clinton asked for the save the whole economy back in 1993. Those wise “they” are right. A dollar did used to go farther.

…and create the largest deficit ever in American history.

At least until 2009 ends you mean.

I hope the stimulus fails, and fails miserably. I hope that, as a result of its failure the Deomcrats lose their majority in 2010 and that whoever opposes and replaces them will cancel the spending that will happen after 2011. I also hope that these painful lessons result in a political party which adheres to some sort of sane economic policy and a newfound, and long-lasting, belief in the usefullness of balanced budgets.

I don’t believe that the failure of the stimulus bill means that American is doomed. The nature of free people and a relativly free economy means that, eventually, buyers and sellers will link up and create the wealth which has been lost over the past months. This would happen a lot quicker if mortgage holders weren’t delaying selling their reduced-value assets in the hopes of being able to unload them to some government agency at price higher than they’ll fetch on the open market.

Was it really that long ago that spending $90,000,000,000.00 was a huge deal?

I don’t want to be like those countries, Parth, sorry.

Somewhere, Atlas is Shrugging and John Galt is going back into hiding.

Apologies if this is hard to read… What is interesting to note is no difference in the lower brackets, but cuts in the higher brackets, with the largest cut being for the highest earners. This is via wikipedia, btw.

Tax Year 2002//Tax Year 2003
Income level Tax rate Income level Tax rate
up to $6,000 10% // up to $7,000 10%
$6,000 – $27,950 // 15% $7,000 – $28,400 15%
$27,950 – $67,700 // 27% $28,400 – $68,800 25%
$67,700 – $141,250 // 30% $68,800 – $143,500 28%
$141,250 – $307,050 // 35% $143,500 – $311,950 33%
over $307,050 38.6% // over $311,950 35%

Please clarify how Bush “gave the taxes of the poor to the rich for eight years”. Did he go door to door, collecting the tax money in moneybags with large $ signs on them and then hand them over to his rich fatcat wall street friends while they all sat around in top hats, laughing and smoking cigars?

Duct tape & saran wrap is all I’ll say in response to this.