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He absolutely didn’t say that Eric Holder had a blue scrotum.
BUT.
John Gibson did, absolutely say the following:
Gibson told African-American caller: “You’re sticking with Obama, because he’s … a brother”
Fox News’ Gibson asked whether “President Barack will blame America first”
Gibson, acknowledging he mocked Ledger’s death, said: “There’s no point in passing up a good joke”
Fox News’ John Gibson’s “interpretation” of Clinton comment: “Hillary makes a deal with Al Qaeda”
Fox’s Gibson: U.S. invasion “unmasked” Iraqis as “knuckle-dragging savages from the 10th century”
Gibson on Rumsfeld’s resignation: Are bin Laden and Saddam “dancing”?
Fox’s Gibson on Daily Kos and Michael Moore: “Pol Pots,” “Khmer Rouge wing of the Democratic Party”
Gibson: “Lefties” are “cheering terrorist victories,” “pulling for the wrong side”
So again, its totally wrong for someone to have doctored a clip of John Gibson. And for sure Huffington Post should have checked before they posted the clip.
BUT.
It was quite believable that John Gibson would say some insane, crazy crap thanks to his long history of spouting insane, crazy crap.
(* And yes, I work at Media Matters and yes George Soros and the Ghost Of Stalin both gave me a directive to make this post in order to further the Glorious Goals Of Our Revolution, or whatever nonsense you righties will come up with this time around)
JC Penney has Gibby doing their radio ad voiceovers
I’ll go with the ghost of Dan Rather’s past.
Fake but accurate being an acceptable liberal way of tearing down the enemy. Admit when exposed to the fake, but tear down because if it had been true it would’ve been accurate and entirely believable given prior trumped up allegations.
Must be that all the fashionable J-Schools are teaching it nowadays.
The thing that gets me about this kind of thing is that when someone on the left makes a screw up people on the left pronounce it as “Fucked up” and move on.
When some one on the right speaks their mind and shows the rest of us just how racist and hate filed they are the rest of the right defend it no matter how evil it is.
The constant defense of the indefensible is why I for one automatically see any con as a racist till they prove otherwise.
(I have to admit there have been very few that have shown themselves to be fit to sup at my table.)
Oh I forgot.
This is who they are.
Dennis, you’re an idiot and obviously proud of it.
Exactly right, Grumpyman.
I’ll go with the ghost of Dan Rather’s past.
Keep with it Dennis. Rathergate may have been the best thing to ever happen, as it has turned the entire right-wing blogosphere into a one-trick pony with rabies.
Oh, this reminds me of another one of Oliver’s cheap tricks… the “Look! Shiny thing!” defense of liberal stupidity.
I kind of doubt this is what AG Holder had in mind when he was talking about honest discussions of race.
Although it does seem to fit neatly into the mold of racial cowardice.
So, Oliver, you have that going for you. Which is nice.
Here’s the thing I find interesting.
Rushbo absolutely refuses to engage in a debate with anyone that differs with his opinions; he never has and, according to him, he never will.
This is also true of Gibson. These guys are total cowards.
I would truly enjoy seeing any of the irrational right, especially Rush Limpballs and Billo the Clown, go mano y mano with Keith Olbermann or even Chris Matthews.
Guess who’d win?
To see Tokyo Rush called out to a public debate on his bull on a channel other that Faux News would be the biggest nail in the coffin of that buffoon.
I can’t help but to notice the gaps in the quotes above. After 3 or four they’re stuck together like ransom notes. Not enough band width to post the full quotes?
Cons will only go up vs liberals when they control the mike or are given ringers like Alan Colmes. O’Reilly had his ass handed to him by Al Franken, and while O’Reilly dominated on shouting, Paul Krugman showed him to be the liar he is when they went head to head on Tim Russert.
“He absolutely didn’t say that Eric Holder had a blue scrotum.”
I love the fact that we have to make these statements. There’s something uplifting about this level of political discourse.
… That might have been sarcasm, but even I don’t know anymore.
wayne fontes says: “I can’t help but to notice the gaps in the quotes above. After 3 or four they’re stuck together like ransom notes. Not enough band width to post the full quotes?”
Did you follow the links?
Here’s one…
mediamatters.org/items/200804100010
The quote OW supplied…
Gibson told African-American caller: “You’re sticking with Obama, because he’s … a brother”
Full quote…
GIBSON: You’re sticking with Obama, because he’s –
CHRIS: He’s the [unintelligible]
GIBSON: — he’s a brother.
See? It’s Gibson’s full quote without anything left out. He was just interrupted.
Fake but accurate being an acceptable liberal way of tearing down the enemy.
Nope.
Gibson says crazy things regularly. The HuffPo heard another supposed example and got careless. They didn’t check it out. Shame on them.
Rushbo absolutely refuses to engage in a debate with anyone that differs with his opinions; he never has and, according to him, he never will. –Zardozinhell
Zardoz-
That is a complete and verifiable falsehood. He takes calls from callers often from his haters. I have no idea where you came up with that statement. I’d ask for anything you might have to back that up that would convince me otherwise, especially since anyone who listens to his show EVER, which indications from comments here is just about everybody, would confirm that he does take callers who disagree. He enjoys it and he’s respectful.
And when you say “he never has and, according to him, he never will” I take it to mean he has actually made that statement and you have heard or seen it, so please, show it here if you would.
“This is also true of Gibson.”–Zardoz
No, this is also very false. He’s not as respectful, but he often takes calls from hostile liberals.
It’s Keith Olbermann that never interviews anyone with a different viewpoint than him.
“To see Tokyo Rush called out to a public debate on his bull on a channel other that Faux News would be the biggest nail in the coffin of that buffoon.”–Zardoz
Guess what, he does and he has gone on different venues than Fox. Many times. What the hell is wrong with you, anyway, Zardoz. I don’t want to call you a liar but there are three blatant falsehoods that couldn’t possibly be further from the truth that no one here has even politely called you out on.
Maybe everyone here has learned to just scroll over your comments is the only possible thing I can think of.
He takes calls from callers often from his haters.
Rush screens calls to within an inch of their life, then lets them on air and turns them down when he wants to minimize them. He rarely has actual guests and when he does they run the idealogical scale from Ann Coulter to Dick Cheney.
I think KO could debate a con, but I concede the weak point of his show is that he doesnt have cons on but then he’s not necessarily interested in having a debate type show. Maddow, on the other hand, has people on from the right and usually cuts them down to size.
Oliver-
Thanks. Would you say then, that that’s a far cry from what Zardozinhell just stated? A very far cry?
Every one of these guys and girl has their style of broadcast and they have their reasons for doing what they do that works for them and their show. But what Zardoz said is completely false.
A debate is not screening people and turning down their calls, so I would agree – Rush doesn’t believe in debate.
To clarify.
What I mean by debate is a face to face exchange and Rushbo has never done that, he never will. Now, Rush has been invited to debate his views on many occassions and on every one he either refused or ignored the request.
All of the calls to Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly etc. are heavily screened and if any dissenting voices do get through it’s because they are deemed to be less than a match for the host. The first thing they do is lower the mic on the caller and if that caller starts winning the argument, they’re cut off. Period.
Now, you can get through if you “lie” a bit to make it through the gauntlet. I know this from personal experience and I have gone through.
They do this on TeeVee but usually with their well known rudeness, talking over the guest and yelling to make a point. That is not debate.
As an example, why do you think that Hannity the Manatee picked a weakling like Holmes to represent the “liberal” viewpoint? Because he could be bullied into submission regardless of how valid a point he makes.
You rarely find this type of screening on “progressive” stations. They’d even let you make your continually discredited arguments.
Dennis, the proof of what I stated is out there and I’m sure you know that so I won’t fall in to your “show me some proof” red herring. You take great pains to skirt the core of the issue regarding these “conservative” blowhards: THEY LIE! That is exactly why they refuse to debate their views because (unlike you) they know that statements based on deliberate untruths can not with any debate.
Dennis, you knew you were going to lie before you posted you comments. Your defense of their lies just proves my point regarding your obsessive trolling on this site as a Rushboblican butt-boy.
Just admit you’re a tool and leave. You’re busted.
Fake but accurate being an acceptable liberal way of tearing down the enemy.
So let see if I got this straight.
Racist asshole is quoted as saying something racist and asshole-y.
Racist asshole didn’t say what he was quoted as saying.
However, racist asshole has a long history of saying racist asshole things.
So racist asshole is a racist asshole. Except not in this context. QED.
Denny, please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
For my “liberal” friends. The late Bill Hicks on El Rushbo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F7Q7BkAbCk&eurl=http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=rush+limbaugh+&hl=en&emb=0&aq=f&feature=player_embedded
A debate is not screening people and turning down their calls, so I would agree – Rush doesn’t believe in debate. OW
Maybe not the debate you’d like to hear, but if he didn’t screen calls, all sorts of yahoos would flood the boards and lie to get on the air and screw it up. And I’m not talking Baba Booie types. either. You know that. It’s a lot different even than KO not wanting to argue because he says he doesn’t want it to be a shouting match, because for Rush, too many idiots with their sole purpose to screw up the broadcast would do just that. That’s pretty much what happens often on Gibson’s radio show, then it just becomes idiotic yelling at each other. Seriously, Rush isn’t afraid to have an honest debate with anybody.
Seriously, Rush isn’t afraid to have an honest debate with anybody.
Well then he should try it sometime. Are you kidding me?
Dennis, you knew you were going to lie before you posted you comments.–Zardozinhell
I don’t lie, Z-man. Kid and cajole, sometimes. But I don’t lie. You can’t name one lie; you just say I lie. And call out the usual kindergarten name you call everyone, of course.
That’s very common here. As are you.
I called you out on three lies and you made a clarification to one of those lies which totally contradicted your original statement and left the other two lies alone. Then you call me a liar.
So let see if I got this straight.
Racist asshole is quoted as saying something racist and asshole-y.
Racist asshole didn’t say what he was quoted as saying. Duros62
It should stop right there, Duros. Full stop. End of story.
Listing a full report of prior grievances at that point only compounds the original error and makes you look like you never really cared if the original story was accurate or not, because it just confirmed your prior bias toward the guy. It’s childish. The kind of thing that if you had done that to your brother your mom would’ve told you to go to your room over and not come out till you said you were sorry to him. Even if you missed dinner. Not the apology for the original mistake, that one was a given. The apology for just making it worse because you were embarrassed and felt you needed to justify yourself.
So I think I counted 7 con posts that fail to acknowledge Gibson is a racist or defend his past statements. Man up Dennis, et.al and actually defend this asshole. Either you or ok defending a racist based on having similar ideologies or you are racist. I am hoping you choose to not defend his statements and display some integrity.
It should stop right there, Duros. Full stop. End of story.
Okay, fair enough. Do you concede that he’s a racist asshole?
It’s not that the prior instances of assholery compound or diminish my prior bias. It’s just that it isn’t surprising.
Well then he should try it sometime. Are you kidding me?–OW
Well, Oliver, I think he pretty much had a real good old-fashioned, knock-down, drag out public debate with Harry Reid a couple years ago. We can argue over who won that skirmish but the fact of the matter is Rush turned the stupidity of the whole thing into a personal $4.2mm charitable donation to a very noble and worthy cause. A donation that should’ve been a lot larger if his unworthy opponent in that debate would’ve owned up to his pathetic grandstanding ploy and been a good sport and bucked up along with him.
But he didn’t.
So yeah, on this instance I’m agreeing with you; maybe Rush should debate some of these jokers more often.
Okay, fair enough. Do you concede that he’s a racist asshole? Duros62
Sorry, Duros, don’t see a reason to debate it or even bring it up, and I just don’t feel like going back into the past reading from a list of Media Matters’ grievances. If I listed 10-15 prior grievances of say, Keith Olbermann from Hot Air, or JammingWearingFool or LGF, or OlbermannWatch or Media Research Center, and asked you if you would agree that the guy is a stark-raving mad lunatic (and yes, also has made racially insensitive remarks), would you do that?
And would you do it if one of those websites had posted a false account of him saying something racist or completely idiotic, had to retract it and apoligize, and I had posted my list and said, “Well, it fits his prior history, so why don’t you just fess up to it, Dennis?”
What would be your reaction in that instance, Duros? If I had said in effect, “Oh, yeah, we screwed up here, but look, here’s a whole laundry list of shit on this guy just in case you think he’s an innocent that’s been wronged.” how you feel toward me? There’s a very important reason why that tactic doesn’t and shouldn’t work in a court of law, and it’s the same reason you should tell any blog that does it too that it shouldn’t be done.
The whole thing is silly. Silly, obligatory, liberal blog red-meat fodder. Designed to keep you guys coming back. And sadly, it works.
If I listed 10-15 prior grievances of say, Keith Olbermann from Hot Air, or JammingWearingFool or LGF, or OlbermannWatch or Media Research Center
None of those organizations actually check facts. They’re very quick to point out KO saying stuff they don’t like, but there are practically no instances of them fact checking Olbermann, nor do they have commentary from him that’s racist, sexist or bigoted. Opinionated, yes. Factually accurate or insensitive? No. But then the entire conservative media monitoring system isn’t about checking facts – its about silencing any criticism of the right.
Groups like FAIR and yes, Media Matters, have a higher standard.
Dennis.
Bullshit.
No matter what Limpball says YOU and others defend it.
And that is sad.
As a child when I was growing up and getting my “Education” on race in this country I was taught many things, among them
“Your first of last name will always be “Black”.”
“The difference between “Ch_nk” and Nigger”, when it rolls off the lips is just how you spell it.”
“Have more respect for the KKK than the rest of them at least they are honest about their hate and you know where you stand.”
“Sometimes an asshole that says racist shit is just that, and not always a racist. (Meaning a racist statement dose not a racist make.)”Call it like you see it but make no judgment of what is in a persons heart.”
And the final nail on the coffin.
“Someone that defends racism is lower than the racist that started it.”
Now I hear form you “people” always how you “have a (some) black friend(s).” And I always wonder what those people must think of themselves. Unless it’s a lie.
I said it before and I will say it again cons do not have the ability to call a fuck up, a fuck up and move on. And in my heart I believe it … No, I know it.
What I do not know is if it is hard wired or ideologically driven.
Prove it again if you must, but think on what I have said, the next time some racist piece of filth shows it’s colors and you leap to defend yourself by proxy.
And maybe you will have the balls to stand up and declare your stance like a man.
I have no knowledge of your heart but I do of your actions.
Something else I learned as a child. “Actions speak louder than words.”
Something I learned as an adult “Sometimes words speak for themselves.”
Peace Be With you.
I think he pretty much had a real good old-fashioned, knock-down, drag out public debate with Harry Reid a couple years ago.
Is that what you consider debate? That wasn’t a debate, it was a pissing contest.
if one of those websites had posted a false account of him saying something racist or completely idiotic, had to retract it and apoligize,
Ha. Like that would ever happen.
In conclusion, Dennis is a punk. Period.
Jammywearingfool? Seriously?
Jammywearingfool? Seriously Duros62
That’s the site that exposed the video HuffPo used as a fraud, Duros. Even with the apology, there’s really no excuse for that video ever seeing the light of day on their website.
They’re very quick to point out KO saying stuff they don’t like, but there are practically no instances of them fact checking Olbermann, nor do they have commentary from him that’s racist, sexist or bigoted.–Oliver Willis
Wrong. Wrong. And Wrong
Racist: Chicken and Waffles
On Bills black wide receiver Roscoe Parrish:
“With the Denver drive having stalled, Roscoe Parrish on the punt return. Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles at its finest. He could go the entire distance and does and it’s seven-zip Bills.”
Sexist: Keith Olbermann’s Idea For Beating Hillary: Literally Beating Hillary
Bigoted: MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann Slurs Latinos With ‘Guacamole’
C’mon, Oliver. You have a lot of people that show up here and swallow every word you write. You owe them better than that. And no factually inaccurate and insensitive statements made by that bozo?
Are you freaking kidding me?
Roscoe Parrish on the punt return. Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles at its finest
WTF does that even mean?
mmm. Chicken and wafffffles.
Racist: Chicken and Waffles
Did you know that Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles is a restaurant chain, amigo? And that the runner’s first name was Roscoe?
Olbermann – 3
Gibson – 12
Does KO go overboard sometimes? Yes. Do I wish sometimes he’d shut up with the commentary and just tell me wha’ happened? Yes.
Am I going to defend every freaking thing he ever says?
No.
Advantage – Duros.
Bigoted: MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann Slurs Latinos With ‘Guacamole’
Because nobody eats chips and guacamole during the super bowl, right? So I’m watching football with a Mexican guy, I better not ask him to pass the dip. Criminy.
Mmmmm. Guacamole.
The weird thunderdome comment about Sec. Clinton, on the other hand, I dunno about that one. But in the bigot bowl, Gibson’s still Tom Brady. KO’s barely on the practice squad.
Did you know that Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles is a restaurant chain, amigo? And that the runner’s first name was Roscoe? –Parthy
You’re a fair-minded guy, Parthy, and I glad you responded to that. Different people have different interpretations for what classifies as racism. I’d have a very hard time believing that the folks here that are calling me a racist because I don’t think the cartoonist was trying to depict Barack Obama as a monkey would give Rush Limbaugh the same pass had he made the Chicken n Waffles comment as you are for KO. If Rush had made it and I defended it, Grumpy and others would be saying that defending racism is being racist.
I make no judgments about you and your interpretation about KO’s comment, but it’s not a newsflash to surmise that how much of a pass you give someone like Rush or keith Olbermann has a high correlation to whether or not you agree with his political views in general, no?
Because nobody eats chips and guacamole during the super bowl, right? So I’m watching football with a Mexican guy, I better not ask him to pass the dip. Criminy.–Parthy
I might tend to agree, Parthy, but I haven’t walked even a mile in a Latino’s shoes.
“Lizette J. Olmos, communications director for the League of United Latin American Citizens told Newsmax that Olbermanns remark was not necessary and could be perceived as being insensitive to Hispanic viewers.”
La Raza spokesperson Luke Dickinson: “While it is certainly an unfortunate use of words, and offensive to Hispanics, NCLR wants to stay focused on the hate speech being used in the immigration debate.”
how much of a pass you give someone like Rush or keith Olbermann has a high correlation to whether or not you agree with his political views in general, no?
Probably true. Objectively, I think the cartoon was far and away worse than the iffy ‘chicken and waffles’ comment (or either of the other two KO comments, for that matter), given that RC&W is an actual restaurant chain and thus KO was not playing on a stereotype, and there IS an extensive history of racist depictions of Africans and African-Americans as primates.
But your larger point – that one is going to be slightly friendlier to those on one’s own side – holds water.
Dennis,
I said what I said not what you read.
I am not a con I do not play games if I am going to insult you I will use your name and there will be NO DOUBT what I’m saying.
What I said is defending a racism is worse than racism and guess what that is what I meant. If I meant you are/were a racist I would have said that.
To take anything other from what I said is playing a cons game. I don’t do that.
I hope we understand one another.
Peace Be With you.
But in the bigot bowl, Gibson’s still Tom Brady. KO’s barely on the practice squad. Parthy
Two things there, Parth.
(1) OW said there were no instances of racism or bigotry. There are.
(2) As to the practice squad bigotry, just two weeks before KO had made the Chicken N Waffles comment, he put Bill O’Reilly on his WPITW segment for his soul food comment he had made and said he was a ‘passive-aggressive racist’. I don’t know why you guys give this guy a pass because it’s not as bad as some. Or in OW’s case, deny it even exists.
Or I guess I do know why, I just don’t get it. Just more double standards I guess both sides are guilty of.
Sorry, Grumpyman, I apologize. I thought you were calling me a racist. I honestly this morning drafted at least three responses but ended up taking each one down and starting over, then just gave up. It’s not easy talking about racism and what is and what is not. The other day you said you’d have a hard time sitting down at a table with any of us that you thought were defending racism. Don’t know who or what instance you were talking about or if it was just all of them and none in particular, but if you are ever in, around or near the central part of Virginia and you could make it, you are welcome to come dine at my house and meet my family and have dinner or a few beers or whatever and we can talk more about it. Or not talk about it at all, and just go play golf if you play. You can tell a lot about a person walking 18 holes of golf, no matter how good they are or bad at the game. I don’t think I’m a racist, but I also don’t feel at all comfortable trying to give examples or prove I am not a racist- most of the time when someone does that on a blog it doesn’t come across well, and I’m not that eloquent as you can tell. But if it’s being a racist by being honest as to what I feel is intentional racism and what is not, then I don’t know what to say past that.
(1) OW said there were no instances of racism or bigotry. There are.
As I suggested before, amigo, each is much more debatable than any of the above Gibson quotes. Guacamole is often served at parties and so quite likely had nothing to do with Gov. Richardson’s race, Roscoe’s Chicken and Waffles is an actual (though likely little known on the east coast) restaurant chain, and the thunderdome comment regarding Sec. Clinton could easily be chalked up to poetic license, in the vein of rhetorically ‘taking somebody out behind the woodshed.’
You’re welcome to believe that I’m being more favorable to a guy on my team; I can’t prove you wrong. If you removed the party affiliations, I’d still believe calling a blog the ‘khmer rouge wing’ of a political party is far and away more heinous than mentioning guacamole in the sentence as a hispanic man.
(2) As to the practice squad bigotry, just two weeks before KO had made the Chicken N Waffles comment, he put Bill O’Reilly on his WPITW segment for his soul food comment he had made and said he was a ‘passive-aggressive racist’. I don’t know why you guys give this guy a pass because it’s not as bad as some. Or in OW’s case, deny it even exists.
Because each of your three examples is fairly weak, to be honest. I have no idea why Keith would call O’Reilly a passive-agressive racist. I think expressing surprise that nobody in an African-American-owned restaurant is screaming ‘em-effer, I want more iced tea’ is pretty darn aggressive, personally.
I thought you were calling me a racist.
Well, you do spend an awful lot of your time defending racists. Which is pretty douchy to begin with.
As I suggested before, amigo, each is much more debatable than any of the above Gibson quotes Parthy
Sorry, Parthy, whether they are weak or not, we can debate that all day long. It’s not a debate that Keith Olbermann has displayed no instances of racism, sexism or bigotry.
The guy is a certifiable nutcase. You don’t have to read only conservative website to verify that either.
Well, you do spend an awful lot of your time defending racists. Which is pretty douchy to begin with. Mister ed
Ed-
Per this blog, Joe Biden is a racist. Everyone here defends Joe Biden. Is everyone here defending that racist?
I believe the Rev. Jermiah Wright is a segregationist racist. Rev. Wright is defended here. Is everyone here defending that racist?
Barack Obama defended both those two people. One by enthusiastically attending his church for 20 years and a whole list of close associations and devotions, and the other by naming him his Vice Presidential running mate, an extremely high honor.
Is everyone here, including the blog-OWner, ‘pretty douchy’ for defending racists? Is Barack Obama ‘pretty douchy’ for defending racists?
Lastly, are you ‘pretty douchy’ for defending racists?
My honest answer if anyone asked me would be ‘no’. But like everyone else in this country, we have different opinions on what is racist.