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Rush Limbaugh is a racist asshole.
In his defense, Rush is a drug addled loser and that’s an easy mistake to make for someone who is either high or going through withdraw symptoms.
His brain looks like swiss cheese from all the pills he’s popped
Sheesh. Looks like Rush is taking lessons from Jaim. That’s just pathetic.
He needs to aim higher. He needs to take quotes out of context and then attack, like Media Matters does. Or wait for a slip of the tongue and then pounce — another MM tactic.
J.
Yes, Jay doesn’t like Rush, but defend defend defend. *Sigh* yeah you want the 3-4 hour show for “context”. Blah blah blah.
Defending Limbaugh? Pshaw. He doesn’t need my help, and I don’t feel like offering it.
Just following your example, Oliver — attack, attack, attack. Never defend. In this case, I took your (well, your employer’s) attack on him and spun it into a slam on Jaim and Media Matters.
I see the seductive power of the “always attack, never defend” strategy. It’s so much easier.
J.
how ironic that ‘always attack’ is used to defend rush limbaugh.
Oliver, c’mon remember that time he attacked Rush for making a joke about Chelsea Clinton (at least before it was pointed out that he did the same thing)?
If the Fairness Doctrine even comes up in conversation, this is a good example why.
Mr. Limbaugh just made something up. It was completely false and he proceeded to draw a damning conclusion from his false statement.
It will never be corrected. His listeners will never know any better.
I took your (well, your employer’s) attack on him
In this case “attack” is noting what he said then noting that its total bullshit. The reason I don’t have to defend is that on the left side we’re spared the pain of having to defend the defensible (eg. “George W. Bush was a good president”)
Mr. Limbaugh just made something up. It was completely false and he proceeded to draw a damning conclusion from his false statement.
It will never be corrected. His listeners will never know any better.
Thank goodness racist asshole Rush Limbaugh may be heard on Armed Forces Radio.
Just following your example, Oliver — attack, attack, attack. Never defend. In this case, I took your (well, your employer’s) attack on him and spun it into a slam on Jaim and Media Matters.
Jay Tea, WTF are you talking about? You’re not even making any sense any more.
Why is it even news that Rush made some crap up and then bloviated on it?
Sean Hannibal does the same thing. Today the screener let an intelligent person on who was for universal health care. Hannibal said that it could never work, it’s socialist blah blah blah ad infinitum. The smart caller mentioned Canada and he right away jump down her throat saying that Canadians go to the USA for medical care. It’s a mantra without evidence. While our health care system is not perfect every single time every single day, people here don’t die because they can’t afford medical help. My friend’s wife went for a regular check up last year and the doc found a breast lump. Two days later she was operated on. She made it. Universal health care rocks!
I wonder what fat face would say about that?
J.G.Thayer: “Defending Limbaugh? Pshaw. He doesn’t need my help, and I don’t feel like offering it.”
You just did!
I can’t tell if you are a liar, or a moron.
Quite frankly, I don’t care, because what you really are is worthless.
He needs to aim higher. He needs to take quotes out of context and then attack, like Media Matters does. Or wait for a slip of the tongue and then pounce — another MM tactic.
Just one good example please – I mean if Media Matters is as prolific as Oxy Limbaugh with the fantasy quotes then you should be able to whip out a good example for us.
“spun it into a slam on Jaim”
Umm, this would imply you somehow took me down a notch, made a funny on me, or proved me wrong about something. Which you didn’t. And which you never have.
By the way Jay, how’s your health these days? I sure hope you don’t need me to pay for any more of your life-saving medical procedures. I mean, I’m happy to do so, but I know how it makes you feel all conflicted and such.
Rush is the least fun “high guy” around.
My health, Jaim? Good enough this week to donate blood, scoring me my seven-gallon pin from the Red Cross. I have slacked off the past few years, but I think I can get back into the swing and resume at least five donations a year again.
…and just what do you do to help the community, anyway? If you’re looking for suggestions, I’d suggest a vasectomy.
And I said it was a “slam” — meaning an attack. In this case, reminding you that you are on record as saying that you prefer to pretend that your opponents say what you wish they’d say, and then attack them for what they said only in your sad little brain. I never claimed that it was a particularly devastating one in this case. Indeed, I fully expect you to ignore it and continue your little fantasy crusades.
J.
Ah yes, the well-known Red Cross blood donation program, where for every pint donated private funds are put into the wallets of every American who paid for Jay’s socialist life.
Glad to know that program is still running.
It will never be corrected. His listeners will never know any better.
And you think it would make a difference to them, why? Rush is now leader of the republican party. Truth no longer matters. It’s a shame, there have been times in my adult life that I thought I could actually vote for a republican, but ever since the republican revolution in the ’90s they just stopped doing what was right for the country. Instead, their method is now to divide the country to hang onto the little bit of power they have. I can’t see how that’s a good thing for America.
NEAT TRICK, ZSA ZSA
Use a doctored video to misquote a hated Fox News announcer, then let your minions attack him mercilessly for the made-up video you posted.
Unbelievable: HuffPo uses doctored video to try to smear Fox News as racist
Indeed, I fully expect you to ignore it and continue your little fantasy crusades.
You mean like you do?
ZING!!!
See how I took your attack on Jaim and spun it into a slam on you, Jay Tea? See? Did you see that? Burn!
And unlike Rush, Huffpo printed a correction and retracted their story. Once again, the left trumps the right in the truth department. Rush is intentionally making shit up.
Use a doctored video to misquote a hated Fox News announcer, then let your minions attack him mercilessly for the made-up video you posted.
And if you go to that HuffPo post you’ll see that they’ve added a correction and an apology for posting a video from another source, unaware that it was doctored.
I wonder if we could expect that from Rush? Of course, he doesn’t exactly have the same excuse, does he?
Okay, I’ll go out on a limb and defend El Rushbo; maybe he just couldn’t hear what the President said.
Being deaf from drug abuse as he is.
And unlike Rush, Huffpo printed a correction and retracted their story. Once again, the left trumps the right in the truth department. Rush is intentionally making shit up.-OW
Oliver, seriously, when you correct and retract your statement implying that all rightwingers had anything to do with the NY Post cartoon then I’ll take those last two statements with a little more than a grain of salt. I promise.
God you’re stupid. A right wing cartoonist continues the racist tradition of the newspaper its printed in and the sister tv network (Fox News) of the paper – something you admitted – but that’s supposedly equivalent of Rush Limbaugh intentionally making shit up about the President.
You people are ridiculous.
Okay, I’ll go out on a limb and defend El Rushbo; maybe he just couldn’t hear what the President said.
Being deaf from drug abuse as he is. Duros62
Duros- Those very same lines appear multiple times on EVERY single liberal blog comments for their daily Rush updates, yet you seem to think you are being clever in repeating them every time yourself.
I’m trying to come up with some sort of plausible explanation as to how repeating that same line over and over gives someone the sort of good feeling it surely must for you, still to this day.
Help me out here, if you would. Human oddities can be interesting (to a point) and I’d love to hear about yours, straight from the source.
God you’re stupid. A right wing cartoonist continues the racist tradition of the newspaper its printed in and the sister tv network (Fox News) of the paper – something you admitted – but that’s supposedly equivalent of Rush Limbaugh intentionally making shit up about the President.
You people are ridiculous.–OW
You made the incredible leap of extending a cartoonist’s intentions to a great many people. Going around the internet and listening to liberal commentators, I haven’t found anyone else that did what you did, not even Al Sharpton, Congressman Meeks, KO or Chris Matthews; all people who love nothing other than to do so given the chance. But you did.
Pot, meet kettle.
Dennis the troll and his butt-buddies at it again! You clowns have no credible defense here (don’t deny that’s what you’re doing) of the racist cartoon, Limbaugh or ANYTHING related to the G.oosestepping O.bstructionist P.arty because there simply IS no defense. You’re just typical deluded losers with a grudge you can’t shake.
You like to argue your pointless points and I understand that.
You have a need to annoy someone (especislly “liberals” or “progessives” to ease the pain of your loss of party and control. Get over it, you’re becoming truly pathetic.
The people that give social underacheivers like Limbaugh, Hannity, Gibson and their ilk an enthusthiastic audience are for the mostly insecure white guys (according to democraphic surveys)who actually think that those wealthy loud mouths actually identify with them.
Those “men” desperately need someone to justify their warped perception that the entitlements that their skin color afforded them for centuries is being taken away by all things not Rushboblican instead of understanding that the world is moving pass them.
To me, those guys are like drowning men clawing at each other to stay afloat before they eventually sink into the murky deep and it’s my pleasure to throw them a brick in the process.
Honestly, I’m enjoying watching the show and knowing that country if finally moving on from them.
Denny:yet you seem to think you are being clever in repeating them every time yourself.
Pardonnez-moi, Denny. I’d never seen it before. I only said it once, just a little while ago. Sorry if I infringed on anyone’s copyright, real or imagined.
Little sensitive about Rushy, big guy?
Leave Rush alone!
You really can’t have a constructive conversation with anyone who supports propagandist (Dennis?) so why bother. Their goal is only to obuscate the conversation an win points on the confusion it generates. It feeds their weak egos.
So, what do you do?
A. Ignore them? No, that only emboldens them and gives their supporters room a feeding frenzy. Ignore them and they grown like the cancer they are.
B. Counter them point by point? No, because they have plenty of lies to keep a rational person in the loop (or they just pull stuff from their ass). Not only that but I gives them the appearance of credibility. You don’t want that do you?
C. Call them out for the fools they are? Yes! Well, that’s what I do rather than waste time on them. Besides, it’s more fun and really, isn’t that all they’re good for?
I’ll give this to you Dennis, your writing skills and vocabulary are better than the average Rethug troll but ultimately they fail to hide your clownish wing-nuttiness.
You are very entertaining.
Rush spouts a complete lie, and you fucking right-wing idiots come in here and try to fight back. Why the fuck can’t you just say, “You know what? Rush lied, he shouldn’t have done it, and he should apologize for his mistake. I cannot condone this behavior.”?
Why can’t you just do that? Why can’t you act like normal, responsible people and not turn the thread into a shit-throwing contest? Or at least have the dignity to shut the fuck up and not say anything at all, as a tacit agreement with Oliver on this point.
No, you have to be fucktards of the highest order. You people have shit for brains. You’re a big part of the reason why I have so little faith in humanity. Either stop acting like lobotomy patients or shut the fuck up.
Why the fuck can’t you just say, “You know what? Rush lied, he shouldn’t have done it, and he should apologize for his mistake. I cannot condone this behavior.”?
Because some people like being lied to.
Little sensitive about Rushy, big guy?–Duros62
My apologies to you, Duros. I’ve probably seen way too many liberal blog’s bashing of Rush and Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly and see the same things said about them no matter what the topic is. I shouldn’t have singled you out.
Why can’t you act like normal, responsible people and not turn the thread into a shit-throwing contest?–mambo
Being honest, mambo. The shit seems to be mostly flying one way with the name-calling, and it seems pointless to repeat what everyone else is saying for the sake of appearing agreeable, especially when it won’t make anyone here respect us any more or any less if we do agree. So if Rush makes a statement that is factually incorrect and he’s attacked mercilessly, with every post author in the comments feeling he has to outdo the next guy, the inclination is ‘hey, it might’ve been incorrect, but not as bad as everyone here is making it out to be’. So it’s kind of hard to agree with the hyperventilation, even if I don’t agree with whatever the transgression was.
You guys don’t understand it, but that’s what Oliver did with the cartoon story yesterday in just the headline to his blog post. So if I say that his extension is going way to far, you think I’m defending racism, and that’s not what it is.
Dennis, if you wouldn’t come on here and automatically defend Rush/obfuscate the point of the thread, and instead say, “Rush was wrong, he should correct his comments and apologize,” or something to that effect, people wouldn’t be calling you a fucking idiot. At least, not in this thread. You might actually get a little bit more respect than you otherwise do. I know that I would respect you and your ilk much more if you would just man up and condemn idiots like Limbaugh, rather than whining about how “liberals do it too!”
But no. You can’t do that. You and Rush play for the same team – and that’s more important than moral high ground.
You’re pathetic.
” blog’s bashing of Rush and Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly”
Great, can someone tell me where they are? A couple hundred links would be a good start.
My apologies to you, Duros. I’ve probably seen way too many liberal blog’s bashing of Rush and Ann Coulter and Bill O’Reilly and see the same things said about them no matter what the topic is. I shouldn’t have singled you out.
Well, I appreciate that. Thanks, Dennis.
See, here’s the thing. We don’t need any stinking Fairness Doctrine. Conservatives have talk radio, liberals (can’t find a viable radio market) have the blogosphere.
That seems pretty fair. And more fun.
mambochicken23 says: “Dennis, if you wouldn’t come on here and automatically defend Rush/obfuscate the point of the thread, and instead say, “Rush was wrong, he should correct his comments and apologize,” or something to that effect, people wouldn’t be calling you a fucking idiot. At least, not in this thread.”
I’m glad you added that last part.
Remember, Dennis compared that Conservative Terrorist who shot up that church to someone who thought insurance companies should be shut down and the government should do that work.
Seriously.
We don’t need any stinking Fairness Doctrine.
But good lord the hissy fits are entertaining.
‘hey, it might’ve been incorrect, but not as bad as everyone here is making it out to be’.
‘Ever again’ v. ‘every year’ is an enormous and fundamental word change. One is a realist, the other’s a little nuts. Yes, my friend, if you’re a listening homeowner, it is THAT bad a mistake. If the guy ever did corrections, it’d be another story. But facts are obviously not and have never been Rush’s strong suit, or even goal, apparently.
You might actually get a little bit more respect than you otherwise do.–mambochicken
Mambo- I’ll take that under advisement, but past experience has proved to be fruitless in that regard on blogs. I really don’t take the names offensively, because none of us knows any of us really. it’s just a name, and your comments to me or names you might call me after about two seconds are completely forgotten, at least they are after that night. Since you know nothing about me or my life or what I do, just what I write on a blog, I don’t take anything as a personal attack that affects me in any emotional or meaningful way.
To me, Rush Limbaugh is a bit of a bloviator. I can’t imagine it’s easy being accurate all the time on a radio show. I used to listen to Air America and Cenk Uygur in the morning on the way to work and he said so much stupid and false crap it wasn’t worth getting worked up about. So inturn, I never understand why liberal blogs feel the need to monitor his every breath. I still don’t. So he made a somewhat false statement and should correct it. he doesn’t need to make false statements to get his point across. I was actually driving at lunchtime and heard him make that comment to a woman caller, and I didn’t even pay attention to it, to be honest. Same with Ann Coulter. I’ll read a chapter and get what she’s trying to convey, agree or disagree and not dwell on it. Then I’m blown away that something I just read becomes liberal blog fodder a couple days later. So keeping up with what liberals will and will not take offense to and then apologizing for what was just said is not something I feel a particular need to get respect for by apologizing for them. It’s more like, ‘C’mon, is this really something you want to make hay out of? Surely you have better examples than that.’
When the MSM ignores Rush & Ann the way they ignore Cenk you might have a point.
To me, Rush Limbaugh is a bit of a bloviator.
That’s like saying the ocean is slightly moist.
I really don’t take the names offensively, because none of us knows any of us really.
That’s a good thing, since you seem to be dropping nicknames like W at a press conference.
Since you know nothing about me or my life or what I do,
We know you’re a commodities trader.
Remember, Dennis compared that Conservative Terrorist who shot up that church to someone who thought insurance companies should be shut down and the government should do that work.
Seriously. — CS Sturbridge
No, not seriously. Not at all even close.
Whatever ax you have to grind against me, CSS, it’s getting a bit weird, but even you would have to be embarrassed at stretching things that much.
When I first started posting here, you weren’t that way. You were a little more honest in your approach. What’s happened? Now you seem like just another version of Mister ed and Zardozinhell.
Like a little terrier puppy yapping at other dogs out the window as they walk down the street.
That’s like saying the ocean is slightly moist. Duros62
See, there you go again. Nothing we could say that would be satisfactory to you guys or even perceived as sincere or forceful enough. And if we did say something forceful enough, you’d use it like a club the next time Rush said something controversial and we thought you guys were going out of your way to exploit it.
Not that you ever do.
And no, nothing to do with trading or commodities.
When the MSM ignores Rush & Ann the way they ignore Cenk you might have a point. OW
Amato and his bloggers all say the same thing and I’ve argued there about it till I was blue in the face. How can you ever hope to get the MSM to ignore them when the controversy you guys create over them on a constant basis forces their hand to report on them? I’ve never understood that line of reasoning. Especially when so many liberal blogs allow advertisements that sell Coulter’s books. That reasoning just rings hollow. No, I think Limbaugh and Coulter been beddy, beddy good to them business-wise. They make the political blog world go round.
How can you ever hope to get the MSM to ignore them when the controversy you guys create over them on a constant basis forces their hand to report on them?
We make a stink about them because the MSM props them up. It isn’t the other way around. The MSM puts up people like Coulter as if she’s just another normal pundit and when she says shit like Al Gore is “a fag” they don’t blink twice. We’re supposed to, in your equation, just sit there and take it. Well about 6 years ago we quit just taking it.
Right on point Oliver. It’s all about the ratings and the uninformed public.
The rancid turd-eaters get the air time.
The MSM does a disservice to us all.
Me: “Remember, Dennis compared that Conservative Terrorist who shot up that church to someone who thought insurance companies should be shut down and the government should do that work.”
Dennis: “No, not seriously. Not at all even close.”
Yes, Dennis, you did compare the two. Maybe you now recognize that your comparison reflects poorly on you, so you want to distance yourself from it. Like when you claimed the MRC was a liberal organization. However, you can’t just lie and say you never said it. It’s on this site, people can read it for themselves.
“Now you seem like just another version of Mister ed and Zardozinhell.”
You mean I force you to relive the worst things you’ve said. How horrible of me.
If you weren’t such a fucking asshole, I wouldn’t be able to do it.
Nothing we could say that would be satisfactory to you guys or even perceived as sincere or forceful enough.
Saying “To me, Rush Limbaugh is a bit of a bloviator.” is not what I would call forceful.
Again, what I said was akin to “Well, that’s an understatement.”
Settle down, Beavis.
Everyone loves ol’ Rush. Polls indicate he’s the man most Americans would prefer to pop Oxycontin with while on a Viagra-enhanced safari in the Dominican Republic.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0706062rush1.htm
So he made a somewhat false statement and should correct it. he doesn’t need to make false statements to get his point across.
ROFLMA. Dennis, you’re somewhat of a tool.
If you would, could you please flesh out Rush’s point and tell us how he could have got it across without making a totally false statement?
I know, I know. You don’t play that game. You won’t get “trapped” by actually providing details.
The reason you blow by the dumb shit that Limbaugh and Coulter say and write without batting an eye — only to be surprised when others point out their bullshit — is because you don’t care if either of them ever actually provide facts or evidence for their points. You agree with them regardless.
Limbaugh used a totally fabricated quote to accuse Obama not only of talking down the economy but of undermining the American Dream itself. In your world, take away the fabricated quote, and Rush STILL has a point. Really? You think so? You think Obama wants to discourage home ownership?
If that’s what you believe, what other word is there for you besides tool?
Well about 6 years ago we quit just taking it. Oliver Willis
Yes, yes. And about 6 years later Ann Coulter is about 6 times more popular than she was 6 years ago and has about 6 times more bestsellers than she did 6 years ago.
You advertise for her. In your blogging, and even on your physical blog you allow her book advertising.
Very curious way to stop taking it, no?
Which reminds me of one of the more popular and colorful liberal blog posts ever written about Ann Coulter, and I won’t go there, but what that blogger fantasized about doing to her, well, in a way let’s just say she is ‘returning the favor’.
Dennis: And that’s because outlets like NBC still keep featuring Coulter. The MSM quits giving her a platform and people like me will bitch less. But our bitching isn’t what’s causing NBC to feature her on the Today Show. It’s the mau-mauing of “liberal bias” that makes them think that putting on a monkey show will appease the right wing nuts, when anyone can make clear to them that it won’t.
And if Human Events is dumb enough to have their ads run here and apparently enough wingers come by to click on them, who am I to refuse their greenbacks?
Limbaugh used a totally fabricated quote to accuse Obama not only of talking down the economy but of undermining the American Dream itself. fafaroo
fafaroo-
You see, Obama is talking down the economy. That’s the point. He very much is talking down the economy. I’ve been arguing with people here for the last, oh, since he’s been in office, that he’s overdoing it; and that’s why the market doesn’t seem to have much faith in what he’s doing so far.
So that’s what Limbaugh was saying to the woman he was talking to and I’m sorry, but when I’m driving at that time of day, which I rarely do, I have a few other things on my mind, so I don’t listen to every word out of his mouth like you folks do and obviously some poor sap at Media Matters is assigned to do to provide you guys some talking points every day.
And having said that, even Bill Clinton said Obama is talking down the economy too much, so it’s not just Rush Limbaugh and the right-wing that are saying it.
And again, fafaroo, you have a blog post above on here right now that is excusing the ‘fake but accurate’ methodology used on John Gibson, yet you want to hold me accountable for a similar but far less egregious offense here in this instance.
You see, Obama is talking down the economy. That’s the point. He very much is talking down the economy.
Dennis, Let’s try this again. Which sentence is more accurate:
Obama is trying to discourage home ownership.
Obama is trying to discourage the kind of unrealistic speculation in the housing market that got us into this mess.
Limbaugh told ihs listeners that the former was true and he had to make up a fake quote to do it.
Bill Clinton’s advice to Obama aren’t even close to the kind of bullshit Limbaugh was slinging.
Here’s the thing Dennis. Limbaugh wasn’t happy with the point he could reasonably make with the truth. That wasn’t good enough. Being realistic about the economic situation doesn’t really fit the grand narrative that Limbaugh wants to tell about Obama, namely, that Obama is a threat to the American way of life.
Limbaugh used a completely inaccurate quote to reinforce a false narrative. That’s how he operates.
Now if you still believe that Obama wants to discourage home ownership and you think that Clinton gives you and Limbaugh cover for believing that, it’s like I said. You’re a tool.
Fafaroo-
Let me ask you something. Do you own a home? And if you do, are you in a situation where you’d like to sell it possibly and are aware of the market in your area.
I very much want to sell my house and downsize now that my oldest daughter is away at college and my youngest is two years away from the same. There is literally no buying of houses in my area in my price range, and there are a lot of homes in my zone on the market, with a lot more behind it that would like to sell but aren’t going to put their’s on the market to have it sit for a year or so.
I am being honest with you when I tell you the rhetoric Obama has been using of late is not conducive to changing that dynamic one freaking iota. So is Obama trying to discourage home ownership? No, I don’t think he is. Is he? You look at the stats and tell me.
Call me a tool all you want to, but if you think Limbaugh doesn’t have a point that Obama is talking up the crisis and scaring the crap out of both investors and homeowners just a little too much, then you are either not paying attention or you are very selective in where you choose to get your information. Or you just have no skin in the game.
It’s the mau-mauing of “liberal bias” that makes them think that putting on a monkey show will appease the right wing nuts, when anyone can make clear to them that it won’t.
That and her whining and crying that she is a victim of liberal bias, while she hawks a book about liberal victimization.
Oh, Irony, thy aim is true.
And if Human Events is dumb enough to have their ads run here and apparently enough wingers come by to click on them, who am I to refuse their greenbacks?–OW
Glad to help out. I mean that. Would you get paid more if I bought all my Ann Coulter books that I give away as birthday presents from clicking on that link here?
Or maybe I should start my own blog if there’s that much money in it. OliverWatch.com. I like that.
That and her whining and crying that she is a victim of liberal bias, while she hawks a book about liberal victimization.– Duros62
Duro, she’s got more balls than you, me, and about any five other guys here you could name, combined. Which is kinda freaky-deaky, but it’s true.
And I’m not so sure it’s all that true that she whines much about being a victim of liberal bias. Pretty much every time she asked about the attacks against her from libs, she usually says something along the lines of “I wear their contempt as a badge of honor!”
There is literally no buying of houses in my area in my price range, and there are a lot of homes in my zone on the market, with a lot more behind it that would like to sell but aren’t going to put their’s on the market to have it sit for a year or so.
Wow, Dennis. Way to talk down the economy.
George Bush and John McCain telling everyone that the fundamentals of the economy are sound and that everything is just dandy, didn’t stop this crisis from happening, did it?
And now you want to criticize Obama for doing what you just did in this post: describing the reality of the situation to the American people.
Obama is talking about creating jobs, rescuing home owners, shoring up the banking system etc. etc. But he’s also doing it in realistic terms. Obama can’t change the economic reality we’re facing with words, just as Bush and McCain couldn’t stop the crises from happening with happy speeches.
If you just want someone to blow smoke up your ass, fine. Keep listening to Rush Limbaugh.
Keep listening to Rush Limbaugh. fafaroo
Apparently I listen to him a whole lot less than you and most other people here do, fafaroo. As to Obama, he DID give people he could change the economic reality we’re facing with words, so I’m blown away that you would say that. It was his words of hope and change that got him elected. Now that he’s in that office, his words are of doom and gloom largely. It’s a valid point, one that not just Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives are making, but Democrats too.
As to Obama, he DID give people he could change the economic reality we’re facing with words, so I’m blown away that you would say that. It was his words of hope and change that got him elected.
Dude. you were clearly listening to the right wing version of Obama’s campaign whether it was from Limbaugh or elsewhere. Obama spoke about hope and change if were ready to work for it, if we were ready to do the hard work that needed to be done. if you disagree, please give me the quote and or quotes in which Obama states his belief that words alone are enough to change anything.
I do remember Bush and McCain going after Obama for “talking down the economy”. They’re the ones who actually made an implicit case that pretty words were enough to fix the mess.
They’re the ones who actually made an implicit case that pretty words were enough to fix the mess. fafaroo
And liberals were the ones who thought Bush was using terror to try to scare everyone into agreeing with anti-terror legislation and all sorts of conspiracy nut type stuff every time he mentioned the word. Now Obama uses the word crisis in every sentence of every speech and it makes everyones sphincter curl up and you guys are fine we he wants to bail out mortgage holders who lied to get their mortgage and now are in a pickle, which is to say for many of them, right back where they were before they got the house they never could afford.
Again, fafaroo, do you own a home?
Duro, she’s got more balls than you, me, and about any five other guys here you could name, combined.
Heh. Indeed.
Not gonna touch that.
I was referring to her whining about getting kicked off the Today Show.
And I’ll wear her criticism as a badge of honor as well.
Now Obama uses the word crisis in every sentence of every speech and it makes everyones sphincter curl up
Amigo, I’m getting the feeling one man’s ‘talking down’ is another man’s ‘honest assessment.’ I seem to remember this being something of a campaign issue, where a certain gentleman kept going on about how awesome the economy was and got pretty snakebit for it. Not that I’m suggesting he say whatever will be popular, but if the words ‘the fundamentals of the economy are strong’ produced such a widespread uproar, might there have been a reason for it?
I listen to Rush,take notes and later verify what he has said.I listened to the Media Matters video 5 times.I hear no mention of 20%-30% or 40%. The quotes I hear are accurate.I am a self starter and I don’t buy into the class envy stuff.If someone is more successful than me,more power to them.I wish the best for all based on their own effort.Byron
Again, fafaroo, do you own a home?
I don’t but that couldn’t be more beside the point, could it? I work and live in the same national economy you do. I’m impacted it by it as much as you are, in some ways similar, in some ways different.
If you can’t sell your house in this market, don’t sell it. If you need to sell your house for some reason, well, Dennis, maybe you should have planned a little better. Correct?
If you want to bitch and moan about your situation and blame Obama for it, fine. Whatever. But he can’t wave a magic wand and rescue the housing industry, can he? Do you want him to come down to your next open house?
The right wing made a lot of jokes and noise during the campaign and even now about some Obama supporters who thought that Obama was going to rescue them from bad mortgages and bad choices. Sounds like you’re just doing the same.
No, fafaroo, I don’t need to sell my house; it’s just a lot bigger than what I need the room for or care to take care of the property. The point is I’ve been through the mortgage process through three purchases and all three I refi’d at least once. Doesn’t make me an expert or you ignorant for not having been through it, but it does make me a little more in tune with certain things that I keep well aware for how it affects me, and I that I’m relating it to from an angle that is real and not just an aspect that I’ve read in the paper or on a blog. So when I hear Obama hyping up the crisis it’s something that I honestly feel he would cool it a little bit on.
The choice I made wasn’t necessarily a bad one, just one that I thought that there’d be a demand for homes for when I decided to downsize at this point, and there’s not.
As to your not owning a home, you are correct, you have just as much say about the mortgage decisions Congress is enacting as I do. I don’t blame you for it, but by the same token, I have just as much right to express an opinion on war decisions as someone who has been in the military. When Repack Rider or Mister ed has come on here and called me a chickenhawk though, I don’t recall you or anyone else for that matter, telling him he was wrong to do that. Does Repack Rider come at it from a different angle that is a little more real? Yes. And so does someone who’s been through the mortgage process six times and everyone had repercussions and risks for what was undertaken, not only to me but my family that I support. That’s all.
And btw, the whole mortgage process isn’t rocket science. Adjustable rates adjust. Housing prices go up and they go down. As much as I abhor the predatory lending practices that went on, it amazes me how many people are using that as an excuse for the stupid decisions they made and were taken in by people they don’t even know and pretended they didn’t know anyone they could go to for a second opinion. These are people that would never in their wildest dreams ever buy a car from someone they didn’t think was a good guy within the first ten seconds. For a great many people, there really is no excuse.
No, fafaroo, I don’t need to sell my house; it’s just a lot bigger than what I need the room for or care to take care of the property.
So you’re just whining because you’re a whiner, then.
So you’re just whining because you’re a whiner, then.
No, I live with the decisions I make and move on. I’m not under any illusion of blaming my decisions on a salesman and thinking that gets me bailed out of anything. It’s another thing for you that doesn’t have a house or, I’m assuming, no dependents to care and pay for, to tell someone like me to just STFU and appreciate what this charlatan socialist is doing to this country every time he opens his mouth.
I’m not under any illusion of blaming my decisions on a salesman and thinking that gets me bailed out of anything …
Let me get this straight. You’re not blaming the guy who sold you your house then, but you are blaming Obama now because you can’t sell your house? This because he’s a “charlatan socialist” who is destroying the economy with speeches? Okey Dokey.
First off, when did I tell you to STFU?
Second, if Obama is a “charlatan socialist” that means he isn’t a socialist at all. Try to get your rants in order before posting.
Third, all you’re doing is complaining that after a month in office, Obama hasn’t yet made it miraculously possible for you to sell your home in a market that’s been shitty for over a year now.
Come on, dude. I don’t need to own a home or have kids to know a whining hack when I hear one.
fafaroo-
Listen, messages get jumbled on blogs and I don’t think mine came across clearly. None of us should reveal personal stuff on blogs either, but my point was not to claim higher ground because I owned a home. I doubt anyone could change the market dynamics in the housing market right now, and no I don’t blame Obama. The honest truth is, I am impressed with the guy. I don’t agree with his politics and I don’t think what he is doing is the right thing, but I think he is mostly honest and a brilliant politician, and I don’t expect him to work miracles. But a month into the office and he seems to me to have lost his footing talking about the economy, and yes, I think that is not making him look like the strong leader he came across as in the campaigns, and that is reflected in the stock market, to an extent.
I’m not the only one who thinks this…Meltdown on MSNBC?
Again, I don’t blame him for the stock market collapse, but I do at least partially for the way it’s going that I’ve mentioned too many times here already, but a weaker stock market makes everyone continue to freak out, and that is not good for anything.
Sorry to accuse you of telling me to STFU. So many here say it I forget who says it, but it is a common response.
Listen, messages get jumbled on blogs and I don’t think mine came across clearly.
Sorry to break the news to you Dennis, but your message came across loud and clear. You’re a hack.
Sorry to break the news to you Dennis, but your message came across loud and clear. You’re a hack. fafaroo
You don’t really think that or you wouldn’t work so diligently responding to all the things I write. You seem to take my comments fairly seriously judging from just the shear number or your responses to me.
If you truly do think that, though, fafaroo, as one human being to another my charitable advice would be to stop wasting time on me. Life is much too short to do otherwise.