Murdoch’s NY Post

February 18th, 2009 Conservatives Media Racism 76 Comments

Well, at least they come right out and compare the President to a monkey. Don’t hide the racism, wingers!

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Matt says:

February 18, 2009 at 11:51 am

‘The cartoon in Wednesday’s Post by Sean Delonas shows a dead chimp and two police officers, one with a smoking gun.

The caption reads, “They’ll have to find someone else to write the next stimulus bill.”‘

Disgusting, and is there even a joke in there?
Grumpymann says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:20 pm

Not funny.

Lets start the countdown till the con apologists. start with one of the 3 D’s.

The count down start …. NOW!
Jay Tea says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:20 pm

…and this is different from all the people who compared Bush to a chimp how?

J.
freD says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:20 pm

Never heard of him. But upon investigation, he looks like a conservative copy of Gary Larsen. I always enjoy conservative attempts at humor. It’s usually just a dumber and meaner copy of something successful. In his case – a dumbed down meaner copy of Far Side, crafted just for wingnuts.
Joaquin says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:20 pm

I don’t get it? Pres. Obama didn’t write the bill. Nancy Pelosi did.
Now if the cartoon was of a dog rolling over………….
ed says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:27 pm

…and this is different from all the people who compared Bush to a chimp how?

Shorter Jay Tea: “Birth of a Nation”, now there’s a conservative movie I can get behind!
joaquin says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:29 pm

Here ya go Jay Tea.

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/
steno says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:37 pm

Not seeing it.

The chimp is neither clean, articulate nor good looking, so I can’t see the obvious comparison to Obama that Oliver infers.

If this be racism, it’s far more subtle than the brand practiced by the Vice President, and thus should be excusable.

That is, if we are applying a consistent standard. Which liberals always do when crying racism.
jr says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:44 pm

This is what cons are like in public. Can you imagine what they say in private?
Bill L. says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:46 pm

It can be argued that the cartoonist intended to imply that the stimulus bill is so bad it may as well have been written by a a room full of monkeys (the old 1000 monkeys and a 1000 typewriters thing). That said, with the Right’s fevered efforts to hang the stimulus exclusively around Obama’s neck as practically his sole creation, it takes a thick skull not to see the trouble in publishing such a cartoon.
Jay says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:51 pm

Right and nobody has EVER made wisecracks about a “chimp” or “monkey” doing something that was done so poorly or was poorly executed.

That’s NEVER happened before.

EVER.

This is the FIRST time.
Dennis says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:53 pm

If this be racism, it’s far more subtle than the brand practiced by the Vice President, and thus should be excusable. –steno

Sorry to heap praise, steno, but another most excellent post. I think Joe Biden was a farking idiot and a racist, but he’s not anymore.

I think I’ve got that right.
Zardozinhell says:

February 18, 2009 at 12:53 pm

I saw that disgusting cartoon. Considering that it is a Murdoch rag that plays to the morons of our society, I’m not surprised.

The G.oosestepping O.bstructionist P.arty and their boneheaded adherents (yeah, I mean you turd-brained Rethug fools on this blog) are racist by nature and can’t resist making it public and then clutch your pearls and feign innocent (“Oh, it’s just a joke” or “I didn’t know it was offensive” or the classic “IF I OFFENDED ANYONE” etc.) when you are called what you are: RACIST.

As for humor, you, as a group, lack the capacity for wit so your so-called humor is crude and juvenile at best, more pathetic than funny.

The cartoon IS racist. Period.

But what is truly funny is how YOU b*tch and cry when it’s thrown back at you.

F*cking losers!
Oliver Willis says:

February 18, 2009 at 1:09 pm

Jay, you didn’t know WTF a baby mama is, so I guess you also don’t know anything about blacks being compared to monkeys too, right?
Parthenon says:

February 18, 2009 at 1:17 pm

I am frankly stunned that anybody could make the claim that this was not racist. And expect to be taken seriously.
Parthenon says:

February 18, 2009 at 1:18 pm

I think Joe Biden was a farking idiot and a racist, but he’s not anymore.

Since Duros appears to be falling down on the job, shorter Dennis: OMG Look over there!
C.S.Strowbridge says:

February 18, 2009 at 1:21 pm

JG.Thayer says: “…and this is different from all the people who compared Bush to a chimp how?”

I’m constantly amazed you mother didn’t smother you in your crib. She had to know how you would turn out.

There isn’t a history of racist people referring to white people as monkeys.

There is a history of racist people referring to black people as monkeys.

The only way you don’t get this, is if you are completely racist yourself.
C.S.Strowbridge says:

February 18, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Parthenon says: “I am frankly stunned that anybody could make the claim that this was not racist. And expect to be taken seriously.”

At best, at absolute best, this is a case of Freudian racism.
ed says:

February 18, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Can you imagine what they say in private?

Go to Youtube and search for “Palin rally racist”. And that’s in public. We can easily guess what Dennis’s ilk say in private. How deeply unfortunate.
Zython says:

February 18, 2009 at 1:40 pm

Lets start the countdown till the con apologists. start with one of the 3 D’s.
The count down start …. NOW!

Jay Tea:
…and this is different from all the people who compared Bush to a chimp how?

Less than 60 seconds, a new record.
Duros62 says:

February 18, 2009 at 1:44 pm

Since Duros appears to be falling down on the job, shorter Dennis: OMG Look over there!

Sorry, what’d I miss?

Oh. That.
michael says:

February 18, 2009 at 2:12 pm

A history of race relations in America, from a conservative’s point of view:

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, “not the color of skin, but content of their character”, blah, blah, blah, O.J. verdict, Chris Rock uses the n-word so it’s ok now, blah, blah, blah, Obama elected.
Jay says:

February 18, 2009 at 3:59 pm

Yes Oliver, I am well aware of the comparisons of black people to monkey’s as a form of racism, but I don’t see that here. But this is an example of what liberals do best. They’re all about the FREEDOM and ARTISTIC EXPRESSION just so long as the subjects being targeted challenge traditional norms and those right of center. Any confrontation of the left-liberal consensus is to be shouted down as hateful and racist.

It’s going to be a LONG four years.
AM says:

February 18, 2009 at 4:06 pm

Right and nobody has EVER made wisecracks about a “chimp” or “monkey” doing something that was done so poorly or was poorly executed.

That’s NEVER happened before.

EVER.

This is the FIRST time.

Please post your example of implied “Bush = Chimp” references in a widely read print periodical. Thank you.
AM says:

February 18, 2009 at 4:15 pm

but I don’t see that here.

Of course you don’t.

But this is an example of what liberals do best. They’re all about the FREEDOM and ARTISTIC EXPRESSION just so long as the subjects being targeted challenge traditional norms and those right of center. Any confrontation of the left-liberal consensus is to be shouted down as hateful and racist.

I, personally as a liberal, do not begrudge the NY Post the right to publish the scat scrawlings on display here. It is their right of free expression – just like it’s my right to call them racist dicklicks.

It’s going to be a LONG four years.

Yeah, buckle up, mofo.
Jay Tea says:

February 18, 2009 at 4:23 pm

I guess you also don’t know anything about blacks being compared to monkeys too, right?

OK, one rule for blacks, a different one for whites. Got it.

Any other exceptions to the Constitution I should be aware of?

J.
AM says:

February 18, 2009 at 4:33 pm

I guess you also don’t know anything about blacks being compared to monkeys too, right?

OK, one rule for blacks, a different one for whites. Got it.

Any other exceptions to the Constitution I should be aware of?

What the flying f*** does the Constitution have to do with anything? No one is forcing you to read this site and I don’t believe anyone here is advocating that the NY Post be forced to shut down.
Dennis says:

February 18, 2009 at 4:43 pm

We can easily guess what Dennis’s ilk say in private. How deeply unfortunate. –Aqualung ed

Whoever my ilk are, no you can’t guess what they’d be saying in private, nor what I say in private. I wouldn’t even know one person that I could imagine would ever see this cartoon, unless Al Sharpton is able to make as much hay out of it as he probably wants to and it becomes a huge issue.

But I will say this: If Oliver or any African-American or Jamaican-Americans or people of color are offended by the cartoon, I can appreciate their being offended and respect that. To say that the cartoonist meant to make a racist depiction of Obama is conjecture though. To say that the newspaper is operated by racists who saw no problem with sending out a racist cartoon that they knew would be offensive is even more conjecture. To imply that Rupert Murdoch is right-wing racist who gave the go-ahead for it is even more conjecture, even to the point of being ridiculous. And finally, to say “Well, at least they come right out and compare the President to a monkey. Don’t hide the racism, wingers!“, implying that anyone who watches Fox News or reads the New York Post or I guess any conservative for that matter is comparing President Obama to a monkey, is just pure fantasy or a bigotry equally as bad as the charge he is making. Not even Al Sharpton is going that far.

I’d tell the cartoonist to be more careful and apologize for not being more sensitive, or to explain himself more. But then again, I was told to STFU just two days ago here regarding my thoughts about August J. Pollack’s mentor, the grossly offensive Ted Rall; so I’m left confused as usual about where people here really stand.

When Eric Holder calls us “A nation of cowards” for our reluctance to talk to each other regarding race issues, he makes some very valid points. But it’s no wonder no one wants to meet up and discuss them when one side thinks the other is being too sensitive, and the other side thinks everyone on the right is by definition ALL racist bigots. It’s a shame for both sides that we can’t get past that.
ed says:

February 18, 2009 at 5:23 pm

OK, one rule for blacks, a different one for whites. Got it.

Did you sleep through history class? Or are you the worst Colbert impersonator in all of the world wide blogs.
ed says:

February 18, 2009 at 5:24 pm

It’s a shame for both sides that we can’t get past that.

If you would take Lee Atwater’s cock out of your mouth, that would be a nice start.
Zardozinhell says:

February 18, 2009 at 5:26 pm

Tell me, Dennis, have you or your loved ones even been depicted as “monkeys” By Whites? Any of them called “monkeys” while being physically abused because of their skin color? Has your mother or father?

No? I thought so. Maybe if yo had you’d understand WTF this cartoon and the history of blatant racism by the aretist means.

That said you and the other trolls who make excuses for this racist garbage take the prize and here it is: A nice long cigar.

Now stick it up your asses and STFU.

Dennis, you’re an idiot.
Zardozinhell says:

February 18, 2009 at 5:28 pm

P.S.

There will never be a “getting past this” as long as there are still purveyors of racist filth out there.
Stimulus Chimp « Colorado Right says:

February 18, 2009 at 5:51 pm

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Grumpymann says:

February 18, 2009 at 6:10 pm

Jay Tea,
I have to ask do you really not get it?
Or are you kidding?

I can’t believe that you are that dence that you can not see the inherent racism in calling a black man a monkey.

I know your a con but you can not be that stupid. And breath all the while using a keyboard.

Please tell me you are joking.

Dennis
There is a very big difference between calling someone a racist and someone saying racist things.

It’s not a subtle thing. Saying racist shit seems to be a habit/hobby of the right. Hell that is why my comment about it is “This is who they are” they seem to have an inability to keep the racist rants in privacy.
Jay Tea says:

February 18, 2009 at 6:15 pm

Shorter Zardoz: “Whitey’s NEVER gonna stop paying. NEVER!”

We will always have racists among us. There will always be assholes. And since we can’t just kill them, Zardoz will continue to use those assholes to abuse everyone who disagrees with him/her/it.

J.
Jay Tea says:

February 18, 2009 at 6:33 pm

Finally tracked down a copy of the cartoon. It’s here:

ace.mu.nu/archives/283090.php

A few observations:

1) The chimp looks like no human being, but a chimp.

2) The cartoonist is apparently referring to the “infinite monkeys with typewriters” bit, but not very clearly.

3) Obama didn’t WRITE the stimulus bill, it was the House Democrats (who shut out the Republicans entirely), led by Nancy Pelosi, who crafted the shit sandwich.

It’s a mediocre cartoon. The artist’s style pretty good for a cartoonist (he draws far better than Ted Rall, for example), somewhat reminiscent of some of the guys who’ve drawn for Mad Magazine or Cracked over the years, but the concept is very unclear and the execution is poor. Note the background details; a lot of artists skimp on that, but here there is grass, pavement, detailed (albeit unrealistic) cars, even a pole with a sign.

But the message was poorly delivered. Perhaps if the chimp had been lying near a typewriter with “HAMLET” in it might have made the point clearer.

The key point here is that the chimp was credited with WRITING the stimulus bill, not SIGNING it. And looking at it, maybe we should have kept Nancy Pelosi et al away from it and let a chimp write it.

J.
Jay Tea says:

February 18, 2009 at 6:59 pm

Hey, Oliver, help me out: can you point out your outrage over the racist cartoons about Condoleezza Rice? I can’t seem to find them…

Here’s a refresher, if you want to see a couple:

newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/07/16/john-harwood-has-never-seen-cartoon

mhking.mu.nu/archives/049887.php

http://www.americandigest.org/mt-archives/tedrallevil.gif

In the last one, Ted Rall has Rice proclaiming “I was Bush’s beard! His house nigga! His…”

J.
- Oliver Willis says:
  
  February 18, 2009 at 7:14 pm
  
  If Condi had spent half a moment getting off her piano and being a party to the deaths of thousands perhaps I would care if someone made a racist caricature of her – which is a bad thing. She’s a warmongering idiot, but you shouldn’t use race to attack her this way (and in the past I’ve written that weight-based attacks on Limbaugh detract from the fact that he’s a hypocritical lying pill-popping racist). And its funny how you compare the relatively obscure Rall to a major newspaper. EQUIVALENCE!
freD says:

February 18, 2009 at 6:59 pm

“Obama didn’t WRITE the stimulus bill, it was the House Democrats (who shut out the Republicans entirely), led by Nancy Pelosi, who crafted the shit sandwich.”

There’d be no controversy if we’d just had the ‘smirking chimp’ himself write the thing. His man, Greenspan, claimed that it was either:

1. Let the banking and mortgage industries go unregulated ballooning before needing major taxpayer bailouts and stimulus cash (and now nationalization!) after the pop and crash.

Or

2. Suffer an ongoing recession.

He said it, I didn’t. These people are economic geniuses. Know why? Because they’re Republicans! Yee frickin haw!
Jay Tea says:

February 18, 2009 at 8:10 pm

“Relatively obscure Rall?” He’s an award-winning cartoonist who, at the time, was one of the most popular cartoonists before enough people realized the guy was (and is) a a sick, twisted asshole. He’s carried in about 100 papers. He’s the frakking president of the Association of American Editorial Cartoonists.

Rall is carried in the New York Times, the New York Post, Rolling Stone, Time, and Fortune.

You are seriously defining “relatively obscure” down.

And I note how your outrage about black people being denigrated on a racial basis is tempered by their political leanings. Why don’t you just come out and say that Rice, Steele, Lynn Swann, etc. simply aren’t “black enough?”

J.
- Oliver Willis says:
  
  February 18, 2009 at 8:34 pm
  
  I’ve been accused of not being black enough, but unlike Steele and co I don’t associate myself with a group of people who repeatedly denigrate blacks and other minorities without reservation. And I’m sorry, Rall is obscure. I don’t like the guy but let’s not pretend like he’s Tom Toles or Gary Trudeau for christ’s sake. This is like when you guys pushed Ward Churchill as if a) his views represented more than a sliver of the left and b) he had a nightly cable news show of some sort.
Dennis says:

February 18, 2009 at 10:07 pm

Oliver-

Ted Rall is not obscure. He’s not even relatively obscure.

Relatively obscure would be Sean Delonas, the cartoonist here in question. The guy you use to say “Well, at least they come right out and compare the President to a monkey.” And “Don’t hide the racism, wingers!”

Who are ‘they’ in this instance? Who are the ‘wingers’?

It’s one cartoonist. A relatively obscure cartoonist. How does everyone else, whoever it is that you consider everyone else, or even anyone else, figure in to this matter?

I said before I understand and appreciate if you take offense to the cartoon. I just don’t see how anyone else is at fault. Not even KO in interviewing Al Sharpton tonight did either one of those two go there. Not even Chris Matthews interviewing Gregory Meeks did either of those two go that far.
Jaim says:

February 19, 2009 at 4:35 am

I honestly wish Republicans would just man-up and take pride in their racism. Seriously. No more of this dog-whistle bullshit. No more cries of “HAR HAR LIMBAUGH WAS JUST JOKING LURN TO TAKE A JOKE HARDY HAR!!!”

You guys love to play the race card, so please just do it and be manly about it — “We think Barack is a n*gger and that he’s going to ruin our blessed white US of A.”

Not that it’s saying much, but I’d respect you wingers and your party just a little bit more. At least you’d be taking responsibility for something, for once in your sorry hate-filled lives.
Jay Tea says:

February 19, 2009 at 5:57 am

Ooh, Jaim’s respect! That’s the one thing that’s been missing from my life! Lemme send my Klan hood to the dry-cleaners right away!

(Yes, that was sarcasm)

OK, I think I got Oliver’s rules figured out. Racist attacks against liberal blacks are inherently evil. Racist attacks against conservative blacks are bad because they are bad tactically.

Here’s a hint, Jaim (and I can’t recall the last time I encountered someone in more dire need of one): not everything is racist. The cartoon in question MIGHT be calling Obama a monkey, but it’s far, far more likely that it is not. There is no caricaturing of the chimp to make him resemble Obama, and the tag line — “write the stimulus bill” — refers directly to the House of Representatives and Nancy Pelosi. It’s far, far more likely to be a reference to the “infinite monkeys with typewriters” line.

This is like a mirror image of the Michael Steele Oreo incident. Before it was largely debunked, plenty of liberals jumped to defend the gesture as valid and legitimate and appropriate. It was the first time I actually saw “fake but accurate” play out.

J.
Jaim says:

February 19, 2009 at 6:10 am

Jay writes: “Lemme send my Klan hood to the dry-cleaners right away!

(Yes, that was sarcasm)”

I lurve the fact that you had to explain your sarcasm. I’m not sure if that’s epic FAIL or epic WIN, but either way, you remain comedy gold Jay. Comedy freakin’ gold.

Put simply, Republicans have a track-record of racism. And frankly, that record wouldn’t matter one damn bit if they, as a party, tried to overhaul their image and start making appeals to non-whites as to why they should vote for the GOP. As I mentioned in another thread, scream and pee your pants about Jeremiah Wright all you want. At the end of the day, the proof is in the voting, and other than again white males, people don’t vote Republican any longer.

Good riddance.
Jaim says:

February 19, 2009 at 6:12 am

again = aging

Stupid fingers.
Dennis says:

February 19, 2009 at 8:37 am

This is like when you guys pushed Ward Churchill as if a) his views represented more than a sliver of the left and b) he had a nightly cable news show of some sort. –OW

Ok, Republicans use obscure guys like Ted Rall and Ward Churchill’s views to represent more than a sliver of the left.

But it’s ok to use a completely unknown and obscure cartoonist that absolutely no one here has ever heard of and who has denied he meant no reference to Obama to represent all conservatives’ views??

And we’re the ones with the Equivalence Fail?

Not getting it, Oliver. Not getting it at all.
Jaim says:

February 19, 2009 at 9:48 am

“But it’s ok to use a completely unknown and obscure cartoonist that absolutely no one here has ever heard of and who has denied he meant no reference to Obama to represent all conservatives’ views??”

It’s OK because it’s exactly the same view espoused by mainstream Republican “intellectuals” like Limbaugh and Coulter.
SaveFarris says:

February 19, 2009 at 9:55 am

Jaim, is Kos “mainstream” enough? Great, then quit bitching whenever someone brings up the “Screw ‘em” incident in order to tar & feather all Liberals. Because according to YOUR rules, that’s fair game.
Jaim says:

February 19, 2009 at 10:03 am

According to “my rules” (aka “reality”) there’s a reason why blacks, women, gays, hispanics, and anyone else who’s not an older non-white males are voting D rather than R these days.

I’ll admit, I’m all for a good old-fashioned pissing contest here. But at the end of the day, you have to admit that the Republican party has a serious problem getting votes these days.

Or you could just keep telling yourself how amazing Sarah Palin is.

Either way, America wins.
Dennis says:

February 19, 2009 at 10:37 am

It’s OK because it’s exactly the same view espoused by mainstream Republican “intellectuals” like Limbaugh and Coulter. –Jaim

Well, nice admission that you think it’s ok to use projection when you have no other argument, but as to Limbaugh and Coulter, both those two are twenty times the intellectual you could ever hope to be, Jaim. You can’t even put together a cogent argument on a blog post, much less command an audience such that you have the opposition completely obsessed with every word you say. Forget the audience they command, just alone look at the number of people on the Left who do nothing but sit every day and listen to Rush Limbaugh so they can report what he says. Look at the bloggers who pore through every word Ann Coulter writes so they can do the same. That right there is a de facto admission that the Left is impressed with their intellectualism enough that they feel the desire to try to find something, anything they can trip one of them up with. Even the silliness from the blogger who made an issue about what little Ann Coulter wrote about the CCC; that’s simply a case of a guy with little better to do in his life. An entire cottage industry of people like that.

Kind of pathetic, but hey, whatever floats your boat.
Dennis says:

February 19, 2009 at 10:50 am

But at the end of the day, you have to admit that the Republican party has a serious problem getting votes these days.–Jaim

Dems sold and continue to sell Obama as a savior. Savior economics sells in bad times. If he doesn’t deliver on his promises, we’ll have to see what happens.

Meanwhile, Jaim, you just keep on admitting your dishonesty.
Jaim says:

February 19, 2009 at 10:53 am

“That right there is a de facto admission that the Left is impressed with their intellectualism”

Lots of people slow down to gawk at traffic accidents as well. It’s human nature to be intrigued by things that are out of the ordinary, like the hate-filled racism that informs much of the right-wing these days in America. It’s not so much an admission of “Wow, these traffic accidents are amazingly wonderful and I’m so jealous I couldn’t be a part of it!”

And thanks again for reading my blog. I appreciate it.

And btw, you do realize that you’re a prolific commenter on a liberal blog, correct? So accusing anyone of fact-checking Repubican leaders like Limbaugh and Coulter of being secretly enamored with said bobbleheads is kind of ass-backwards, no? Because by this argument, we can only conclude that Oliver Willis is your intellectual hero.

Glad we agree on so much. TTFN Dennis! See you and Jay at the Klan rally!
Jaim says:

February 19, 2009 at 11:04 am

“~~Savior~~ Sensible economics sells in bad times.”

And just where, pray tell, did these “bad times” come from? That’s right — eight years of a failed Republican presidency, and six years of a Republican controlled Congress.

But I do agree — Obama’s presidency will stand or fall on the economy. But as your intellectual hero and superior Oliver has pointed out, Dems aren’t the party that says government is the problem. They’re the party that thinks government can solve certain problems, such as the Bush Recession.

And he’s got eight years. Let’s wait and see. I’m sure you’ll join me in hoping and praying for his success, because that means Americans will see strong, consistent job growth in sectors outside of the service industry like we had under Bill Clinton, and we’ll return to being a global economic powerhouse.

Wow, it’s a love-fest in here! Me and Dennis, holding hands and wishing good things for President Obama! Thank you for bringing us together, internets!
Jay Tea says:

February 19, 2009 at 12:57 pm

Jaim, I put in the sarcasm because I’ve learned around here that if I don’t spell it out, it’s treated as a confession. Once again, you’re responding to what you WISH people said, not what they actually say. Fun little “reality” you have there.

Speaking of which:

According to “my rules” (aka “reality”) there’s a reason why blacks, women, gays, hispanics, and anyone else who’s not an older non-white males are voting D rather than R these days.

Oh, there are lots of reasons. One of the big ones is the “plantation” mentality we see in Oliver — the Democrats feel they OWN their asses, and will destroy any minorities who get uppity and stray from the reservation. Witness how Oliver treats Michael Steele, Condoleezza Rice, or how certified minorities like Michelle Malkin or Bobby Jindal are treated.

The only people who are “allowed” to be conservative are white males, and occasionally white females. Even those are iffy — witness Ann Coulter and Laura Ingram.

It seems to have a bit of a Darwinian effect, though — it often just makes them that much tougher.

J.
Oliver Willis says:

February 19, 2009 at 1:12 pm

Yes, Mikey Steele is real tough, that’s why he made up the story about being pelted by Oreos.

Black cons think its their lot in life to apologize or give a pass to conservative racism in order to keep the boat from rocking. They’ll do the best they can to step on black people in service of career advancement. That’s why I loathe them. There are hundreds of socially conservative black preachers and pastors who somehow don’t throw black America under the bus.

Steele, & Co. could learn a thing or two. But they won’t.

But it’s ok to use a completely unknown and obscure cartoonist that absolutely no one here has ever heard of and who has denied he meant no reference to Obama to represent all conservatives’ views??
Yeah, whoever heard of the New York Post?

The reason people and organizations cover Limbaugh and Coulter, etc. is because the mainstream media accepts the poo-flinging of monkeys as legitimate commentary and thought. I don’t speak for Media Matters, but its safe to say we would probably be thrilled to quit following these idiots if the MSM quit pretending as if they had something honest to say.
Duros62 says:

February 19, 2009 at 1:21 pm

…de facto admission that the Left is impressed with their intellectualism enough that they feel the desire to try to find something,

I wouldn’t call it “impressed”, Denny. Shocked, dismayed, horrified, bewildered, sickened, and/or nauseated might come closer.
C.S.Strowbridge says:

February 19, 2009 at 2:10 pm

Jay says: “Yes Oliver, I am well aware of the comparisons of black people to monkey’s as a form of racism, but I don’t see that here.”

Then you are blind, probably intentionally blind.
C.S.Strowbridge says:

February 19, 2009 at 2:14 pm

J.G.Thayer: “OK, one rule for blacks, a different one for whites. Got it.”

It’s called judging events based on the past. If the past is different, then we judge present events differently.

Making fun of an Irish man for having a big nose isn’t racist, because there’s no history of anti-Irish racism using big noses.

On the other hand, making fun of a Jewish man for having a big nose…

Got it?

“Any other exceptions to the Constitution I should be aware of?”

Who said anything about the Constitution?
C.S.Strowbridge says:

February 19, 2009 at 2:16 pm

J.G.Thayer: “Ooh, Jaim’s respect! That’s the one thing that’s been missing from my life! Lemme send my Klan hood to the dry-cleaners right away!
(Yes, that was sarcasm)”

I don’t think it is. It is hyperbole, but not sarcasm. You don’t actually belong to the Klan, but you are so amazingly racist, that you no longer recognize real racism. If you did, you would have to admit to yourself that you are a racist, and you refuse to do that.
Next NY Post Joke says:

February 19, 2009 at 3:00 pm

What is the next joke from the NY Post…a monkey being burnt alive by men covered with white robes saying “Back to the good old times! A lot of unemployed people so we can own them again! No one will dare take this monkey’s place!”

NOT funny…I know, but that seems to be the kind of humor that NY Post likes to promote.

This is really outrageous!! What is this, the 18th century…Who are these people?!
Dennis says:

February 19, 2009 at 3:00 pm

I wouldn’t call it “impressed”, Denny. Shocked, dismayed, horrified, bewildered, sickened, and/or nauseated might come closer.– Duros62

But you guys keep going to the well, Duracell. And that water is foul to you.

Rancid, disgusting, stale piss-water- by your own admission. Yet you keep drinking. Nay, guzzling. An almost unquenchable thirst.

Like if you drank enough you would win the contest between good and evil.

It’s kind of bizarre to witness. Amusing though.
SFC B says:

February 19, 2009 at 5:18 pm

This cartoon appeared like the day after a chimp was shot dead by police after ripping off a woman’s face and tearing apart a police car.

Why does Al Sharpton hate President Obama so much that he immediatly associates a reference to an unsual and current event with the President being a violent chimpanzee who needs to be shot?
- Oliver Willis says:
  
  February 19, 2009 at 5:25 pm
  
  Perhaps because, genius, President Obama was on the page opposite the cartoon signing the bill?
SFC B says:

February 19, 2009 at 7:23 pm

Perhaps because, genius, President Obama was on the page opposite the cartoon signing the bill?

The page before? The page before the chimp cartoon was a cartoon making fun of Patterson’s reasons for instituting a porn tax in NY. The one before that compared Ruth Madoff to a bank robber. What the hell are you talking about?

Ohhhhh…. wait… you’re talking about the PRINT edition! Sweet Jeebus… what is this? 1974?

I’ve never seen the print edition of the NY Post. I’m willing to bet that most people who have seen this cartoon had no idea it was printed next to a story about the president signing the stimurecovery bill.

There were 63 comments prior to yours Mr. Willis and none of them mentioned the fact it was printed opposite a story about the president signing the bill. The AP story you linked doesn’t quote Sharpton making this connection either. So, basically, unless you’re the type to take offense to any and everything which can be construed as racial, this cartoon is a reference to the face-eating chimp. Not President Obama. Unless you think that the president eats faces and is chimp-like. Personally, I’d have hoped you’d have moved beyond associating the President of the United States with a chimp when Bush left office.
Jay Tea says:

February 19, 2009 at 7:28 pm

It is hyperbole, but not sarcasm. You don’t actually belong to the Klan, but you are so amazingly racist, that you no longer recognize real racism. If you did, you would have to admit to yourself that you are a racist, and you refuse to do that.

Fuck you, Strowbridge. Fuck you with a rusty chainsaw. Repeatedly.

I’d elaborate, but I think that speaks for itself.

And you’re absolutely right, Oliver! I’m certain that when the cartoonist, the infamous what’s-his-name, came up with the cartoon, he arranged for it to be placed not on the same page, but on the facing page the account of Obama signing the bill? What amazing pull old Joe Whoozis has!

And again… the cartoon referred to whoever WROTE the bill. Obama didn’t. He let Nancy Pelosi and her cronies did. And looking at it, I think the guy has a point — a deranged chimp at a typewriter probably WOULD have come up with a less damaging bill.

J.
C.S.Strowbridge says:

February 20, 2009 at 12:10 am

J.G.Thayer: “Fuck you, Strowbridge. Fuck you with a rusty chainsaw. Repeatedly.
I’d elaborate, but I think that speaks for itself.”

Yes, yes it does. But not in the way you would like.

Face it, you are a fucking racist clown, which is why you vote for a party that feeds on racism.

You are so racist, you can’t even see racism when it is staring you in the face.
matt621 says:

February 20, 2009 at 12:11 am

What’s this?

Oliver makes up some shit, and then attacks over said made up shit?

Gee, who else do we know who does that?

No one you’d want to be compared to, I suppose, Oliver?

But again, this is just another one of your very few tricks – the hasty generalization (obscure NY Post cartoonist stands for all conservatives), the double standard (but neither the much more familiar Ted Rall nor Ward Churchill stands for all liberals), the strawman (Michale Steele), and of course, moving the goalposts when you lose the argument (but, but, but the cartoon was right next to a picture of Dear Leader!).

You can’t convince me you’re a person of color, Oliver.

You are transparent, and full of crap.
Zython says:

February 20, 2009 at 2:06 am

Jay, simple question: is this racist?
C.S.Strowbridge says:

February 20, 2009 at 3:01 am

Matt621: “But again, this is just another one of your very few tricks – the hasty generalization…”

Southern. Strategy.

You don’t get to use racism as a political tool for 40 years and still get to complain when someone calls you racist.

This is not a hard concept to understand.

“…the double standard…”

Again: Southern Strategy. It is not a double standard when the situations are different.

“…the strawman (Michale Steele)…”

Huh?

“…and of course, moving the goalposts when you lose the argument…”

If you don’t think Obama is the face of the Stimulus bill, you are delusional.

‘But, but, but Pelosi wrote the bill!’

Pelosi isn’t the one traveling the country trying to sell it.
Jay Tea says:

February 20, 2009 at 4:06 am

Zython, it’s a direct comparison between a crazed chimp and a black man, so I’d say by the rules established, yeah, it probably is.

But that’s just the surface. The intent of the revisionist has to be taken into account. In this case, it’s an attempt to obscure the fact that the original cartoon was clearly NOT aimed at President Obama, but the authors of the porkfest of a “stimulus” bill — which would be Nancy Pelosi and her cronies in the House.

I would say that, in context, it’s not racist, but another example of attempting to introduce race into an issue where it does not apply. The revisionist who created the altered cartoon is attempting to use racism to make their point, but the point itself is fatally flawed. So it is not an example of racism, but race-baiting — which is in and of itself a form of racism, but not widely recognized as such (I doubt you would agree that it is).

Strowbridge: congratulations! That’s the 193rd time you’ve mentioned “Southern Strategy!” Seven more, and you get a free toaster! (Contatct Media Matters to collect.)

J.
Jaim says:

February 20, 2009 at 8:12 am

What matters at the end of the day is whether the perception of Obama’s critics and the Republican party is hurt or helped by a cartoon of a dead monkey. (A “porch-monkey,” perhaps? Given your ignorance of American history Jay, I suggest you Google his term for a quick lesson.)

Anyone here can say it wasn’t racist, but I’d imagine many blacks, sickened by the dog-whistle racism of the Republican party (Atwater, Limbaugh, Helms, Coulter, etc.) won’t dismiss something like this so easily.

But rest easy, Jay — this is about the 1,000th time this has happened in the past ten years, so it really is just another drop in the bucket of Republican racism, and why they’ll never get a majority of votes from anyone other than older white males.
Jaim says:

February 20, 2009 at 8:18 am

“this term,” that is
Jay Tea says:

February 20, 2009 at 9:20 am

I’ll freely admit I’m not much of a scholar of the racists. I’ve tended to focus my attention on the Neo-Nazis and their ilk — as a member of the racial/ethnic group they claim to champion (Hitler would have considered my racial identity pretty damned close to his Aryan ideal — heftily Nordic with a smattering of Western European), I take a special offense at their committing their deeds for “my” sake.

I stand my my assertion (you remember, what I actually said, not what you wished I’d said), Jaim: it was a well-drawn but mediocre cartoon that requires a deliberate misunderstanding to link it to a racist depiction of Obama. The only people who can find a racist tone to it are those who have a stake in finding signs of racism everywhere in the first place.

Such as professional race-baiters like Al Sharpton.

In the meantime, we have our host making clearly race-based attacks on Michael Steele (while I’m looking up “porch monkey,” you go check out “minstrel show” in relation to African-Americans) — but that’s OK, because Oliver is black himself and Steele is a conservative, and that trumps racial identity in the hierarchy. You see, racial attacks are bad, unless the target is a conservative.

It’s not easy, but I am slowly piecing together the liberal hierarchy of offenses and the graduated scale of what is acceptable and what is unacceptable. The problem is I keep trying to apply some kind of logic to it, and that never works.

J.
Jaim says:

February 20, 2009 at 9:45 am

Wow. Just wow. First you admit that you’re as lilly-white as they come, _then_ you lecture actual black people as to when their anger at racism is justified or not.

Here’s the thing, Jay — it’s not your decision to make. After decades of post-Southern Strategy Republicans playing the race card, over and over and over, you might begin to understand why some people (i.e., blacks) are more sensitive about this stuff than you are. You’ve never been the target of any of it!

But as I’ve been mentioning over and over, please explain why the Republican party does so badly with minorities these days (and women, who are actually a slight majority). And your response? “Plantation mentality.”

Yeah, good luck with winning more black votes by basically saying that they’re still acting like slaves.

The cartoon was racist as hell, playing on the long-standing denigration of blacks as being “like monkeys.” It appeared in a well-known conservative organ owned by a well-known conservative billionaire.

But ya know, don’t take my word for it. Just ask some of your African-American friends. You do know what those are, don’t you Jay?
Jay Tea says:

February 20, 2009 at 11:34 am

Apparently, to you, Jaim, I’m an expert on racial intent and being a racist. And as the cartoon DID NOT REFER TO OBAMA, BUT to NANCY PELOSI AND THE DEMOCRATS IN THE HOUSE, I can say that as someone who is as “lily-white as they come” (note the correct spelling of lily) that if the cartoonist wanted to refer to Obama, it would have read “someone else to SIGN” the bill.

To say that the cartoon was racist is to say that all those people who called Bush a chimp were racist. If the target isn’t black, then you aren’t calling a black person a monkey.

You’re arguing from a flawed presumption — that the target of the cartoon was Obama. And no matter how many times it’s proven that it wasn’t, you’re still insisting that it was and therefore racist. Even though Obama wasn’t even a part of the cartoon, EVEN BY DOUBLE-SECRET INSINUATION.

My god, I don’t think I’ve met anyone so clue-pervious.

J.

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