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Continuing the tradition of the America First movement in the late ’30s that apologized for Hitler, the John Birch Society and the Goldwater movement, Republicans now blame Jews – specifically George Soros – for causing the economy to tank.
Some conservative traditions never die.
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A grifter or an experienced confidence man or woman would say that the “tell” in the these particular cases is the reference to “international conspiracies” and the invariable mention of a Jew as being linked to these alleged conspiracies.
Hi, Oliver, sorry that this is offtopic, but apparently, our victory yesterday was premature or shortlived. Racist Hal Turner’s back and this time, he’s personally threatening me and my family with skinheads and neoNazis. That’s a permalink to his site. I’m not asking you all to troll his blog with comments, just to go to the “flag” button on the upper left corner to flag it as violent, offensive, whatever’s appropriate.
In the meantime, I’m going to call the Secret Service’s field office and the FBI and see if I can get this fat fuck picked up. I cannot fucking believe that Blogger doesn’t consider this guy’s blog offensive enough to take down.
[Oliver: I'd prefer we not link directly to sites like this, so just post the link without the http part, ie. halturnershow.blogspot.com/2009/02/just-when-i-think-im-out-they-drag-me.html]
Don’t forget fags, immigrants, Muslims, and assorted swarthy, non-white, non-Wingnutty Christians in general.
Apparently, merely by saying Soros’s name, you are implicitly blaming the Jews. The fact that he is perhaps the most famous currency speculator in history, and is also a big supporter of the far left, probably has nothing to do with this guys silly theory. Nothing at all. Good to see you are moving beyond mere race baiting.
I also duly note instance number.. Oh i dunno, 50 or so, of Oliver’s “one Republican saying something wacky = all Republican opinions.” You are such a paragon of intellectual honesty Oliver!
Shorter Haplo9: Why no, I didn’t read Nixonland.
If you think Nixonland is relevant ed, you could always say why. But don’t forget your trump card: Matt Damon!@# Er, I mean, Lee Atwater!
Haplo9 says: “Apparently, merely by saying Soros’s name, you are implicitly blaming the Jews.”
You don’t get to complain about being called racist when you use the Southern Strategy.
“But don’t forget your trump card: Matt Damon!@# Er, I mean, Lee Atwater!”
This is rich coming from the side that shouted Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright as many times as they could over the past year.
>You don’t get to complain about being called racist when you use the Southern Strategy.
Being called a racist by clowns like you is like being called a poopyhead by little kids – doesn’t have much sting when it is used as the default comeback every time. In any case, I take it sloganeering is the order of the day, rather than defending what your dear leader wrote?
More shorter Haplo9: Henry Fore, Father Coughlin, Pat Buchanan? Never heard of them?
Heh. Shorter (and every single time) ed: Look over here!
1 conservative = Tons of conservatives for over 60 years.
>1 conservative = Tons of conservatives for over 60 years.
Oh I see. So if I look back through the last 60 years of liberals, you’d think it was valid for me to pick out any kooky or downright terrible liberals and ascribe their thinking to you, right? Makes sense to you, apparently.
doesn’t have much sting when it is used as the default comeback every time.
It’s not the default comeback every time, you racist, anti-Jewish dipshit, just when its applicable.
Did you ever get around to reading Nixonland yet? No? Well hop to it!
>It’s not the default comeback every time, you racist, anti-Jewish dipshit, just when its applicable.
Poor ed. He keeps going back to name calling over and over again, like it is some kind of magic ward against having to actually support an argument. Hint: you may as well just say, “I’ve got nothing”; its a lot easier and honest than blustering.
Strowbridge bleated:
You don’t get to complain about being called racist when you use the Southern Strategy.
Fuck you. You don’t make the rules. And it’s time you found a new song to sing, asshole.
This is rich coming from the side that shouted Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright as many times as they could over the past year.
You’re absolutely right. It’s Newt Gingrich’s fault that our president spent 20 years supporting a racist demagogue and spent scads of time working alongside an unrepentant former domestic terrorist.
Strowbridge spent too much time staring into the mirror adoring his own reflection and fell right through it.
J.
Me: “You don’t get to complain about being called racist when you use the Southern Strategy.”
Haplo9 says: “Being called a racist by clowns like you is like being called a poopyhead by little kids – doesn’t have much sting when it is used as the default comeback every time.”
It’s not the default response. It only seems like that to you because you support a party that has used the Southern Strategy to win elections for the past 40 years.
Me: “You don’t get to complain about being called racist when you use the Southern Strategy.”
J.G.Thayer: “Fuck you. You don’t make the rules. And it’s time you found a new song to sing, asshole.”
I’ll change my song when Republicans stop using racism as a campaign strategy.
“Strowbridge spent too much time staring into the mirror adoring his own reflection and fell right through it.”
Listen, I know you are pissed off at life. After all, your political philosophy dictates you should be dead because of your health problems, but that’s not my problem.
So keep your projecting to yourself.
America needs a weak dollar right now to boost exports. So not only is the Soros thing racist bullshit (”Jewish banker manipulating currency!” is straight out of 1930’s Germany), it also wouldn’t make any sense.
But please Republicans, now that you’ve lost hispanics, blacks, and gays for a generation or two, let’s lose the Jews as well and ensure that you never win the Electoral vote in Florida ever again.
Dumbasses.
Soros’ Jewishness is about as relevant as it is for Joe Lieberman, Paul Wolfowitz, and all those neocons that were routinely denounced in anti-Semitic terms.
Soros is a scumbag who has spent millions (if not billions) to reshape America to his vision. He also has an extensive history of outrageous scumbaggery. Neither point has anything to do with his ethnic or religious background.
J.
“Soros is a scumbag who has spent millions (if not billions) to reshape America to his vision.”
Didn’t realize you were such a fervent supporter of McCain-Feingold.
But the point stands — the Republican party has only one demographic left, older white males. You’d think a party that was so thoroughly disgraced in 2006 and 2008 would realize they could stand to do a little more outreach.
But no, they’ll just continue with the post-Atwater tradition of racist, dog-whistle politics. And they’ll disappear in a generation or so. And America will be a much better place without their bullshit.
…and is also a big supporter of the far left
I was not aware that Mr. Soros supports organizations such as the Sparticist League, the Revolutionary Communist Party, World Socialist Movement, Revolutionary Internationalist Movement or the American Communist Party. Seems odd to me that a currency trader and speculator would be an ardent supporter of groups and tendencies that would seek, among other things, to do away with capitalism.
Chilling CBS 60 Minutes account of George Soros helping Nazis during the Holocaust.
When the Nazis occupied Budapest in 1944, George Soros’ father was a successful lawyer. He lived on an island in the Danube and liked to commute to work in a rowboat. But knowing there were problems ahead for the Jews, he decided to split his family up. He bought them forged papers and he bribed a government official to take 14-year-old George Soros in and swear that he was his Christian godson. But survival carried a heavy price tag. While hundreds of thousands of Hungarian Jews were being shipped off to the death camps, George Soros accompanied his phony godfather on his appointed rounds, confiscating property from the Jews.….
[snip]
…..”But there was no sense that I shouldn’t be there, because that was–well, actually, in a funny way, it’s just like in markets–that if I weren’t there–of course, I wasn’t doing it, but somebody else would–would–would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the–whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the–I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.”
Liberal icon George Soros. ‘Hey, if it wasn’t me, somebody else would have done it. C’est la vie’. He has the same trading philosophy.
If those are the standards, then this proves the Left is racist.
Quick question: who did more to help the Nazis in their youth — George Soros or Pope Benedict?
J.
George Soros: “I made money from the crisis.” (video)
If you know his history of speculation no matter the detrimental effects, why is it out of bounds to ask what his role was in our economic crisis, especially when he admits he did well through it? How much fuel did he throw on the fire?
I’d think every liberal would want to know that too.
Poor ed. He keeps going back to name calling over and over again
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“..supporting a racist demagogue and spent scads of time working alongside an unrepentant former domestic terrorist”
Lee Atwater? Oliver North? Orlando Bosch?
Quick question: who did more to help the Nazis in their youth?
Prescott Bush?
Dick Cheney: “I made money from the crisis.”
What’s your point?
PD, occasionally pay attention to both sides of the conversation. The first was in reference to Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, introduced into the discussion by Strowbridge. The second limited the discussion to Soros and Benedict — whose past in Nazi Germany Oliver has cited numerous times.
Gee, what a surprise. You fail at reading comprehension.
J.
Quick question: who did more to help the Nazis in their youth?
Jeezus, Jay, he was a fourteen year old Jewish kid hiding out by pretending to be a gentile. Yeah, he played the game alongside his “godfather,” and was probably scared shitless the whole time. I’ll be the first to admit he should show some remorse in hindsight, but it’s hardly as though he joined the Nazi youth and threw stones on Kristallnacht.
Admit it, Soros is a poster-boy for capitalism. It’s the fact that he uses a large fraction of his wealth to support progressive causes that drives conservatives bat-shit crazy, not the fact that he amassed that much wealth to begin with.
And besides, what PD said. And throw in Henry Ford for good measure.
Dick Cheney: “I made money from the crisis.”
What’s your point? Duros62
Unlike yours, I stated a point. Unlike yours, it had to do with the blog topic and the video above.
Do you ever read the topic of blog posts, Duros? Just curious.
Did Dick Cheney say he made money from the crisis like Soros said he did? Did Cheney say he foresaw the crisis, like Soros said? Please provide some sort of link, if not too much trouble. Because if what you said is true, you might have uncovered a bombshell of a story.
Do some digging, Duros. Be a hero. I can tell friends I conversed textually with the guy who broke the bombshell story of the year. Who knows, you might even get to publish it on Huffington Post and have it linked by memeorandum.com.
blah blah blah.
He was a teenager trying to survive the Holocaust.
Let’s get back to the subject of this post indeed, Dennis — why is it that Jews in growing numbers have rejected the Republican party? (As have blacks, women, and hispanics.)
Here’s a hint — blaming a Jew banker/investor boogeyman just like the Nazis did in their rise to power doesn’t really do good things for your party’s PR efforts.
And hey, right on cue, here’s a picture of Michelle Malkin laughing and smiling while she gets her picture taken with a guy holding a swastika.
Michelle chilling with her Nazi buds:
http://www.progressnowcolorado.org/page/community/post/michaelditto/CQ9x
Ssssh. Now everybody just calm down. Breathe.
If Dennis and Haplo and Mr. Tea want to run around claiming that our current economic woes are the fault of an international conspiracy led by a Jewish financier, who are we to tell them they shouldn’t do that?
Be our guests, fellows. Shout it from the rooftops.
Perhaps you’ll be able to explain that, no, Mr. Soros’ Jewishness isn’t really the point. Maybe people will believe you that any resemblance between your message and the message of earlier anti-Semites is purely a coincidence.
I’m sure everyone will understand. So speak up!
If Dennis and Haplo and Mr. Tea want to run around claiming that our current economic woes are the fault of an international conspiracy led by a Jewish financier, who are we to tell them they shouldn’t do that?
Not blaming it on him, QIB; not even close. Just saying that it’s not out of bounds to question his motives and his trading patterns in the crisis.
And Jay Tea asks a pertinent question about Soros, who funds liberal websites you guys all know and love, and Pope Benedict, one of this site’s favorite whipping boys, regarding their actions during the Holocaust.
blah blah blah.–Duros62
Typical, Duros. You just talk crap for the sake of talking crap. Sorry for asking for some clarification.
No one ever asks me for that.
I’ve never brought up Soros’ childhood deeds, only mentioned them in response to others’ invoking them. But for the record: I hold his culpability in that not worthy of mention, just like the Pope’s.
On the other hand, he’s brandished it as a credential — I seem to recall him saying that the US government needed “de-Nazifying” in 2004.
No, I find him loathsome for what he has done as an adult.
J.
Not blaming it on him, QIB; not even close. Just saying that it’s not out of bounds to question his motives and his trading patterns in the crisis.
That’s good, Dennis. In fact, that’s just perfect. As long as you have to make these careful distinctions, the message plays in our favor.
Don’t believe me? Ask Chip Saltsman.
Now carry on. Please.
>If Dennis and Haplo and Mr. Tea want to run around claiming that our current economic woes are the fault of an international conspiracy led by a Jewish financier, who are we to tell them they shouldn’t do that?
Reading comprehension Quaker, might want to find some. Where did I claim that I thought this guys theory about Soros causing it all to be credible?
All I’m asking is for someone to explain how they can magically tell that this guy is blaming it on the Jews, rather than George Soros.
(I know the answer to that question, it’s the usual for this site: wishful thinking + perceived best political attack route to go = the right hates Jews! The right hates blacks! It’s just fun to watch you guys dancing around that and claiming that you are soberly analyzing the facts.)
the right hates Jews!
Hey, whoa there. That’s a pretty sweeping generalization. The right doesn’t hate all Jews, just the really jewy jew jew Jews. Like George Soros, obviously. Ask Nixon or Mad Mel if you have any questions with this.
That’s good, Dennis. In fact, that’s just perfect. As long as you have to make these careful distinctions, the message plays in our favor. Quaker in a Basement
Seriously, Qibbie, I’m indebted to you for your help on the Openoffice question I had, but where in the comments do any of us say ‘our current economic woes are the fault of an international conspiracy led by a Jewish financier’?
You’d ask as much of me. How do you even come close to that conclusion on anything any of us has ever said here?
PD, occasionally pay attention to both sides of the conversation. The first was in reference to Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers..
If you wan’t to point out that Ayers as the “unrepentant former domestic terrorist” I’ll point out that wingnut superhero Oliver North is a terrorist as well -with a paying gig at FOX. Also with history’s greatest monster Reverend Wright, You’ll hear such neegruh lovin types such as Lee Atwater or other conservative firebrands of tolerance like John Hagee or Pat Robertson. Shall I go on?
So yeah, maybe I’m looking at your side of the conversation a little more -just to point out you consistently fail at equivalencies, like everything else. It’s a little more dignified that me telling you to go fuck yourself with 10 rolled up copies of Commentary.
ed,
I think you should change your screen name. “ed” just doesn’t capture the magnitude of your contributions to this site. I think you should change it to “ifudisagreeurlee”. It’s a pithy twofer, really – rather than type that “argument” out, you can just say “read my name!” Also, it anticipates what you are going to say (or some variant of it) roughly 98% of the time. Whaddya say?
It’s a little more dignified that me telling you to go fuck yourself with 10 rolled up copies of Commentary. PD100
“Dignity does not consist in possessing honors, but in deserving them.”
That comment deserves an honor, PD100, just not sure what kind of honor.
You just talk crap for the sake of talking crap. Sorry for asking for some clarification.
I don’t need to show you no steenking clarification!
Hey, everybody, it’s the Dennis Show, starring Dennis! Looka meeee!
Also, it anticipates what you are going to say (or some variant of it) roughly 98% of the time. Whaddya say? Haplo9
Actually, Haplo, I’ve been scrolling past his posts for a while now, because you’re right, it’s essentially the same post over and over. If he changes one or two words or his sentence structure slightly, he becomes very proud of himself.
I think I saw one last week where he forgot to mention the Southern Strategy and I was a little worried for him.
You just talk crap for the sake of talking crap.
Sometimes, yeah. Isn’t that what the Internet is for?
Dennis: but where in the comments do any of us say ‘our current economic woes are the fault of an international conspiracy led by a Jewish financier’?
Haplo: Where did I claim that I thought this guys theory about Soros causing it all to be credible?
All I’m asking is for someone to explain how they can magically tell that this guy is blaming it on the Jews, rather than George Soros.
OK boys, I’ll walk you through it, but just once. Don’t ever say I never did you a favor.
In the clip OW links at the top of this thread, we have ex-Rep. Hayworth saying:
Note, not just Soros, but also Schumer, along with “sneak attack” and intimations of conspiracy and control of world finances.
These types of attacks have a rich history:
Now if you want to step up and support Mr. Hayworth’s claims, or even argue that what he said is directed solely at Mr. Soros and Mr. Schumer without regard to heritage, do be my guest. Seriously.
I only warn you that Mr. Hayworth’s tirade bears close resemblance to the slanders of the past. If you find yourself trying to explain why they’re not the same, you’re in pretty deep.
Now please continue to “raise these questions” on behalf of conservatism.
I think I saw one last week where he forgot to mention the Southern Strategy and I was a little worried for him.
I’ll stop bringing up the Southern Strategy when y’all finally admit it’s the cornerstone of the modern Republican party’s (your party, the party of Jim David Adkisson) ideology. Deal?
“Stabbed in the back” again. Sigh.
>Now if you want to step up and support Mr. Hayworth’s claims,
Nope. His claims are rather off the wall. I don’t think anyone here has claimed (or even implied) otherwise. I just wanted you guys to back up your “he’s blaming the Jews” schtick. Thank for doing that Quaker – I’m familiar with the whole “searching for the Jewish conspiracy” mindset, though I confess I didn’t know that Schumer was Jewish.
The only problem with your line of thinking, IMO, is that if he were to have mentioned Barney Frank instead of George Soros, then I would consider the targets of his ire to be somewhat more plausible (especially Frank)- but you could still deflect discussion of such by noting that both Frank and Schumer are Jewish. Would you have? Claims of racism, ‘religious-ism’, and whatnot, thus have a very high bar for being relevant.
All that said, I would agree that his inclusion of Soros doesn’t make much sense in the context of the economic downturn, other than that he’s a figure that righties seem to love to hate. Whether that passes the bar for Jewish conspiracy mongering or not seems like a pretty subjective judgement.
>Actually, Haplo, I’ve been scrolling past his posts for a while now, because you’re right, it’s essentially the same post over and over.
Yeah thats probably a good call. I have to admit though, I do get a kick out of it when one of us responds to ed and says, “you say the same thing every time and it doesn’t work because of xyz” and he responds and says.. the same thing he’s said every time. It’s like an automatic win!
The only problem with your line of thinking, IMO, is that if he were to have mentioned Barney Frank instead of George Soros, then I would consider the targets of his ire to be somewhat more plausible (especially Frank)
It’s more than just the fact that his two targets are Jewish. He also brings in the other elements: conspiracy, secret power, and sneak attacks. Those accusations, taken together with the targets, suggest something very ugly.
We should also note that neither Mr. Hayworth nor Mr. Limbaugh, who has also been peddling these fish, have offered even an atom of evidence concerning Mr. Soros’ financial dealings. They’re just “raising questions” on the basis of unalloyed fiction.
I keep waiting for them to start referring to Soros as Emmanuel Goldstein.
I still think you are stretching. Hayworth said:
“and the guy in the background, George Soros, manipulating all the currency”
Not “those people in the background, like George Soros”, or some other statement that indicates a group of people – he very specifically names Soros. Considering that Soros is well known for his rather large dabblings in currency markets, as well as being known as the man who “Broke the Bank of England”, it isn’t as if Hayworth is making up that Soros has some influence in the currencies markets. That said there is no credible evidence that Soros has anything to do with anything regarding the current mess. If he (or Limbaugh) are going to make noises along those lines, they need to put up or shut up.
I still think you are stretching. Hayworth said:
“and the guy in the background, George Soros, manipulating all the currency”
Not “those people in the background, like George Soros”, or some other statement that indicates a group of people – he very specifically names Soros.
And as I said, please continue to make these fine distinctions. They will be lost on most who may take offense.
>They will be lost on most who may take offense.
Like Oliver?
(I know, it’s pretty much his job to take offense in order to get material for Media Matters, but it’s still fun to point it out.)
Uh oh:
Wingnuts Haplo9 et al, you were saying…?
Like Oliver?
When Republicans endeavor to shoot themselves in the foot, Mr. Willis has been known to help them steady their hand.
Wake me when the Republican party ever wins Florida in a presidential election ever again.
You lie down with racist assholes, you are perceived as racist assholes.
Law of the world. Even if you aren’t racist assholes. But a lot of you are, let’s face the truth.
PD, don’t make me talk about Oliver North. I’m on record as despising him. The man took an oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, and then Clintonned all over the place. As far as I’m concerned, he’s a disgrace to the Corps.
I dunno why I need to establish my credentials, but I’ve repeatedly declared myself a Zionist. I’ve been labeled an Israeli apologist on numerous occasions, and wear that with pride. I almost married a Jewish woman, and have tremendous affection and respect for the people, the culture, and the nation. I got into blogging because of a Jewish blogger, and count several other Jewish bloggers among my favorites.
To point out that Soros has a history of fucking over currencies — witness what he did to the Bank of England in 1992 and Malaysia in 1997. He was also convicted of insider trading in France in 2002. And he has spent at least $30 million (and I’d suspect several times that) on trying to reshape America into his ideal image — most often quite covertly.
Is he a Jew? Absolutely. Is that relevant to why I despise him? Absolutely not. No more than his eye color or national origin or favorite vegetable.
J.
>You lie down with racist assholes, you are perceived as racist assholes. Law of the world. Even if you aren’t racist assholes. But a lot of you are, let’s face the truth.
Ah. So if I conlude that Obama is a racist asshole by virtue of the fact that he “laid down” with Wright for some 20 years, you’d think I was being fair to Obama, yes?
Law of the world. Even if you aren’t racist assholes. But a lot of you are, let’s face the truth. Jaim
You have no clue nor evidence that anyone who posts here is a racist asshole. You just have no other outlet other than imagining and projecting the worst characteristics here for anyone who doesn’t go along with the groupthink here. If asked, you couldn’t produce one comment that you could prove was racist, so I won’t even ask.
Your overt bigotry is far greater than what you accuse anyone else here of being, and I could produce those comments that you’ve made here.
Shit, the one you just made is proof.
Ah. So if I conlude that Obama is a racist asshole by virtue of the fact that he “laid down” with Wright for some 20 years, you’d think I was being fair to Obama, yes? –Haplo9
Fish in a barrel, Haplo.
So if I conlude that Obama is a racist asshole by virtue of the fact that he “laid down” with Wright
This again? Damn zombies.
What is it you think makes Mr. Wright a “racist”? I suspect you are not only misusing the word but also stretching the facts to fit your peculiar definition.
Quaker, here are a few choice quotes from Reverend Wright:
“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people. Hillary would never know that.”
The guy is a race-baiting, paranoid whackjob.
And Barack Obama attended his church, listening to his rantings, for 20 years. Had the guy perform his wedding. Had him baptize his children. Dedicated a book to the guy and used a quote from him for the title.
Thank heavens Obama didn’t really pay attention while he was in Wright’s church. We’d be in real trouble.
J.
Er, black liberation theology, which Wright is a very vocal proponent of? Here’s James Cone, the guy who got black liberation theology going:
“Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community … Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.”
Oh yeah, feel the love. Can’t wait for the white enemy to go down.
Now, mind you, I don’t think its reasonable to claim that Obama holds all these views (I would hazard a guess that his attendence at Wright’s church had more to do with social and political acceptance in Chicago than anything else), but Jaim is the one that said that when you associate with someone, it’s ok when people conclude you have the same views. Take your pick.
You have no clue nor evidence that anyone who posts here is a racist asshole.
Some posters here go out of their way to defend racist assholes (e.g., Ann Coulter). So there’s that.
Some posters here go out of their way to defend racist assholes (e.g., Ann Coulter). –Aqualung ed
Listen, Jethro Tull, because you can’t verbalize an argument past squawking ‘Southern Strategy’ and ‘Jim Adkisson’ like you’re in a hazy fog of a bad dream, don’t blame me if it appears I’m defending her. It’s just too easy to poke all kinds of holes in your hyperventilation.
Then you get all tongue-tied and frustrated and the only thing left for you is to call us all a bunch of racist assholes. Give me a pet-store parrot and two days and I’ll have it possessing a vocabulary larger than the one you’ve got, or even ever had on your best day.
ed: “Southern strategy!! What about the Southern Strategy?!?!”
Nurse Cratchit: “Aqualung ed, wake up. It’s just a bad dream. There, there now. You’ll be alright.”
The guy is a race-baiting, paranoid whackjob.
Arguable, but I’ll let it pass. You’re equating “race-baiting” and “racist”?
Er, black liberation theology, which Wright is a very vocal proponent of? Here’s James Cone, the guy who got black liberation theology going
No, no. Not “here’s some other guy…” You gotta give me, “Here’s Mr. Wright…” And I don’t mean, “Here’s Mr. Wright saying something that upset some white people,” either. You gotta show me, “Here’s Mr. Wright urging a society that judges white people to be inferior and worthy of lesser rights.”
Let’s have it.
“The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.”
Is saying that racist, Mr. Tea? Please explain.
>No, no. Not “here’s some other guy…” You gotta give me, “Here’s Mr. Wright…” And I don’t mean, “Here’s Mr. Wright saying something that upset some white people,” either. You gotta show me, “Here’s Mr. Wright urging a society that judges white people to be inferior and worthy of lesser rights.”
Hold on. In just about every thread regarding race on this site, you guys fall all over yourselves telling us that one doesn’t need to hear explicit things like, “whites are better than blacks” in order to know that someone (especially if they’re republican) is racist. Now, all of a sudden, it’s changed to “hey! the standard of proof is an explicit statement stating that one race is inferior to another before someone can be considered racist.” I’m very surprised at this turn of events! Double standards much Quaker?
You’re right though, he hasn’t made an explicit statement like that – I’m making the not unreasonable assumption that a guy who embraces black liberation theology and rants about how rich white people just love to oppress black people probably a. stereotypes white people on a regular basis b. doesn’t like white people that much in general on account of the color of their skin. Call me crazy.
Then you get all tongue-tied and frustrated and the only thing left for you is to call us all a bunch of racist assholes.
Who’s tongue tied? You keep on keepin’ on defending racist assholes (Coulter, Limbaugh, et al) and the Racist Asshole Strategy. Unless and until that changes, then racist asshole is as racist asshole does, dig? Oh, and in case you missed it further upthread, J.D. Hayworth is an anti-Semitic asshole. Would you like to keep on keepin’ on defending him too?
Good point ed, you aren’t tongue tied. Anything but. Chuckle.
I’m making the not unreasonable assumption that a guy who embraces black liberation theology and rants about how rich white people just love to oppress black people probably a. stereotypes white people on a regular basis b. doesn’t like white people that much in general on account of the color of their skin. Call me crazy.
Chris Rock nailed this the first time around:
That Chris Rock guy really oughtta take a stab at the comedy thing. He’s funny.
By the way, the Jeremiah Wright Trump Card is the lllllaaaammmmmeeeeesssstttt trump card ever. Epic lame, it is.
I’m making the not unreasonable assumption that a guy who embraces black liberation theology and rants about how rich white people just love to oppress black people probably a. stereotypes white people on a regular basis b. doesn’t like white people that much in general on account of the color of their skin. Call me crazy.
A tempting offer, but decorum forces me to demure.
Mr. Wright’s church has white members. He has been invited by presidents past to visit the White House. Yes, if someone wishes to call him racist, I’d like to know, specifically, what occasions that judgment.
“Embraces black liberation theology” might prove a fruitful avenue to prove your point. Still, I’d like to see specifics on what is being called “racist.” The word is not a synonym for “bigoted” or “prejudiced.”
In just about every thread regarding race on this site, you guys fall all over yourselves telling us that one doesn’t need to hear explicit things like, “whites are better than blacks” in order to know that someone (especially if they’re republican) is racist. Now, all of a sudden, it’s changed to “hey! the standard of proof is an explicit statement stating that one race is inferior to another before someone can be considered racist.” I’m very surprised at this turn of events! Double standards much Quaker?
If you’re accusing me of applying a double standard, you might be more specific.
>Mr. Wright’s church has white members.
Heh – isn’t that like the oft-used example of a white person saying, “I’m not racist, I have black friends!”? Anyway, I get it Quaker – the word “racist” is very nuanced when applied to your ideological allies, but not your foes. Now, if you’ll stop trying to pidgeon-hole on the word racist, would it make you feel better to change my original question to:
“Ah. So if I conlude that Obama is a bigoted asshole by virtue of the fact that he “laid down” with Wright for some 20 years, you’d think I was being fair to Obama, yes?” Or perhaps prejudiced asshole? The thrust of that question, if it wasn’t clear, is to get you to tell me why guilt by association is ok when done to conservatives, but not to liberals such as Obama. Jaim took a pass at it, hows about you?
the word “racist” is very nuanced when applied to your ideological allies, but not your foes.
No, the word “racist” refers to a very specific set of societal rules, norms, practices, beliefs, and laws. There has never been such a system in this country constructed to deny the privileges of white people.
The thrust of that question, if it wasn’t clear, is to get you to tell me why guilt by association is ok when done to conservatives, but not to liberals such as Obama.
You’ll have to ask someone who practices such.
I dunno why I need to establish my credentials
Credentials? Right. 4th tier pissant blogger. Stateside deferred to this day, I might add.
, but I’ve repeatedly declared myself a Zionist.
Right, Zionism. That’s worked out so swimmingly for the middle east. I remember a place that carried out the same policies as Israel way back when… ah, got it -South Africa.
To point out that Soros has a history of fucking over currencies —
As effectively as Charles Keating?
Thank you. Goodbye.
PD, that’s a good comparison — Soros and Keating. Unfortunately, it falls apart when you realize that people aren’t lining up to take millions and millions of Keating’s money to enact his political and social agenda — instead, quite a few of them went to jail.
And yes, I am a Zionist — as defined as “believing that the nation of Israel has a right to exist, and the world is a far, far better place with a healthy, secure Israel in it.” Their right to the land dates back milennia (and that’s a confirmed agnostic speaking), they have done far more to develop and improve otherwise-worthless land than any of their neighbors, and they have contributed far more to the world than any of those neighbors. They’ve also been a better friend to the US than any other nation in the region.
It’s been under Democrats that Israel has been most screwed over, and Jimmy Carter is now a poster child for the genteel, civil face of anti-Semitism. It’s his grotesque meddling in the region that has me most pissed off at him (check out the title and premise of his next-to-last book — “Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid”). And Clinton’s embracing of Arafat led directly to the Second Intifadah.
I don’t blame only the Democrats, though. Every president since Reagan, I believe, has promised to move the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and it still hasn’t budged. Jerusalem is the official and legal Israeli capitol, and we ought to recognize that. And Bush 43 did better than most, but he still was too eager to make moral equivalence between the Israeli government and Palestinian terrorists.
J.
Jay Tea, just want to ask you one question. Do you think it’s possible to be a “Zionist” and an anti-semite?
Heh – isn’t that like the oft-used example of a white person saying, “I’m not racist, I have black friends!”?
Sort of. Except you’re leaping to the conclusion that the person who says that is actually telling the truth (which they usually aren’t), where as Wright’s church having white members is a verifiably fact.
Also, Jay, being a “zionist” is swell and all, but what about the Palistinians? Do they have any right to a homeland, or do you think that they should just be culled?
This whining from Republicans about race amuses me to no end. I point out that the modern Republican party has a history of racism (Atwater, Helms, Limbaugh, “Barack the Magic Negro,” Malkin and swastika-carriers, etc.) and the wingnuts feebly respond ZOMG OBAMA IS THE ACTUAL RACIST.
Here, let’s end this debate nice and quick. Fast question — which party’s candidates, from president all the way down to county dog-catcher, typically get a larger percentage of a) the black vote? b) the female vote? c) the Jewish vote? d) the hispanic vote?
You can try and breathe life into dead issues like Jeremish Wright all you want, but there’s a reason why the only demographic Republicans can rely on these days are older white males. And older white males have a habit of getting even older and dying.
So instead of trying to defend your party’s racist history here, I’m surprised you aren’t out there trying to convince blacks and gays and women and so on that you are a party that has any of their interests at stake. Because this is politics, and it’s about getting people to vote for your guy by convincing them that your guy would better serve their interests.
But no, you keep falling back on tired platitudes and letting your party leaders like Rush Limbaugh make a new stupid, racist comment every months or so. (Remember Donovan McNabb?) And you never castigate him for it. You never demonstrate to blacks that you really _have_ put your Atwater-Helms-Limbaugh-Southtern Strategy behind you. Is it because you can’t, or because you don’t want to? Either way, you’re screwed.
Honestly, I should charge you fuckwits for giving out this sort of free advice. You’re welcome.
You never demonstrate to blacks that you really _have_ put your Atwater-Helms-Limbaugh-Southtern Strategy behind you.,/i>–Jaims
Good God. You’re less coherent than Mister ed. You just write more words to say the exact same thing.
Says the guy who can’t work with html coding.
Dennis: “Good God. You’re less coherent than Mister ed. You just write more words to say the exact same thing.”
And you didn’t even try to deny it.
You guys get upset when we call you racist assholes, but you have done nothing to try and show you are not racist assholes.
Zython asked: Do you think it’s possible to be a “Zionist” and an anti-semite?
Hadn’t really thought about it, but now that you challenge me, I suppose it’s theoretically possible. “Yeah, let the Jews have their homeland — and then deport them all over there!” Kind of like the Abolitionists who wanted to end slavery and ship all the blacks back to Africa. Seems pretty stupid, but I guess it’s theoretically possible…
J.