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		<title>By: Moue Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; When is a job not a job?</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136560</link>
		<dc:creator>Moue Magazine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; When is a job not a job?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] devoted habit of not watching This Weak with George Stephanupplegus, so a tip of the hat is due to Oliver Willis for pointing out Sam Stein&#8217;s HuffPo piece detailing Steele&#8217;s jaw-dropping appearance: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] devoted habit of not watching This Weak with George Stephanupplegus, so a tip of the hat is due to Oliver Willis for pointing out Sam Stein&#8217;s HuffPo piece detailing Steele&#8217;s jaw-dropping appearance: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136493</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce Henry says: &quot;Strowbridge Johnson is right. We’re lazy liberals, we like easy pickin’s.&quot;

Fast and easy ego boost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Henry says: &#8220;Strowbridge Johnson is right. We’re lazy liberals, we like easy pickin’s.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fast and easy ego boost.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136487</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strowbridge Johnson is right. We&#039;re lazy liberals, we like easy pickin&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strowbridge Johnson is right. We&#8217;re lazy liberals, we like easy pickin&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136481</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 13:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikefromtexas says: &quot;This site attracts some of the most brainless trolls I’ve ever run across.&quot;

I think that&#039;s the appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikefromtexas says: &#8220;This site attracts some of the most brainless trolls I’ve ever run across.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s the appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: mikefromtexas</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikefromtexas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This site attracts some of the most brainless trolls I&#039;ve ever run across.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This site attracts some of the most brainless trolls I&#8217;ve ever run across.</p>
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		<title>By: mambochicken23</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136464</link>
		<dc:creator>mambochicken23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 08:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, there are days that I feel like I need to change my life.  I need to disconnect the computer, sell all my superfluous possessions, and go away into the wilderness where I will never, ever have to encounter the stupidity of people like Frank ever again.  Sure, my life expectancy will drop considerably, and I will likely struggle with finding clean water, food, and warm shelter in the wintertime, but that all pales in comparison with reading inane blather from the conservative morons who as-yet populate this land.  

/hyperbole off</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, there are days that I feel like I need to change my life.  I need to disconnect the computer, sell all my superfluous possessions, and go away into the wilderness where I will never, ever have to encounter the stupidity of people like Frank ever again.  Sure, my life expectancy will drop considerably, and I will likely struggle with finding clean water, food, and warm shelter in the wintertime, but that all pales in comparison with reading inane blather from the conservative morons who as-yet populate this land.  </p>
<p>/hyperbole off</p>
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		<title>By: PD100</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136455</link>
		<dc:creator>PD100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Is there really a difficulty in understanding the unassailable truth of that statement?&lt;/i&gt;

I agree, Frank! Let&#039;s disband the armed forces!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Is there really a difficulty in understanding the unassailable truth of that statement?</i></p>
<p>I agree, Frank! Let&#8217;s disband the armed forces!</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136451</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter Frank: Schoolteachers don&#039;t have real jobs.  Soldiers don&#039;t have real jobs.  Cops don&#039;t have real jobs.  Firefighters don&#039;t have real jobs.

Is Jay sending you wittle e-mail with your marching orders for today?  Cuz you&#039;re doing it wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Frank: Schoolteachers don&#8217;t have real jobs.  Soldiers don&#8217;t have real jobs.  Cops don&#8217;t have real jobs.  Firefighters don&#8217;t have real jobs.</p>
<p>Is Jay sending you wittle e-mail with your marching orders for today?  Cuz you&#8217;re doing it wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136444</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RNC Chair Hank Kingsley does not strike me as an expecially smart person.</description>
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		<title>By: z_adura</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136438</link>
		<dc:creator>z_adura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me offer some ideas that might help explain why Michael Steele is incorrect.  Companies which make physical products have a downward sloping trajectory for their cost of goods sold.  The first ones off the line must are essentially priced against the full cost of factory in which they were produced, which makes them very expensive.  Over time, this set-up cost approaches zero.  Furthermore, scale results in cost reductions of their own.  Thus, we can get mobile phones with about 50X the features today at about 1/50th the price. 

When a government decides to incentivize the purchase of &quot;goods&quot; or buy them for their own use, they are doing so to seed the market, not to become the market.  This was the path for such products as solar cells, super computers, embedded systems / mini-computers, hydro-electric dams, most lasers and thus all opto-electric devices, most energy efficiency products and on and on and on.  

We have an opportunity with this stimulus package to make the cost of many, many things more affordable: electric vehicles, high-speed rail, nuclear facilities, LED lighting, bio-fuel refineries, utility-scale solar, distributed building automation.  Useful stuff.

As they get diffused into the government market, their price will come down and they will be more available to the commercial market resulting in a flourishing of new jobs in everything from manufacture to construction to services.  This isn&#039;t the only way to create growth.  The private sector usually can handle this on its own, but our private sector is basically broken.  In such times, government spending is the only lever left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me offer some ideas that might help explain why Michael Steele is incorrect.  Companies which make physical products have a downward sloping trajectory for their cost of goods sold.  The first ones off the line must are essentially priced against the full cost of factory in which they were produced, which makes them very expensive.  Over time, this set-up cost approaches zero.  Furthermore, scale results in cost reductions of their own.  Thus, we can get mobile phones with about 50X the features today at about 1/50th the price. </p>
<p>When a government decides to incentivize the purchase of &#8220;goods&#8221; or buy them for their own use, they are doing so to seed the market, not to become the market.  This was the path for such products as solar cells, super computers, embedded systems / mini-computers, hydro-electric dams, most lasers and thus all opto-electric devices, most energy efficiency products and on and on and on.  </p>
<p>We have an opportunity with this stimulus package to make the cost of many, many things more affordable: electric vehicles, high-speed rail, nuclear facilities, LED lighting, bio-fuel refineries, utility-scale solar, distributed building automation.  Useful stuff.</p>
<p>As they get diffused into the government market, their price will come down and they will be more available to the commercial market resulting in a flourishing of new jobs in everything from manufacture to construction to services.  This isn&#8217;t the only way to create growth.  The private sector usually can handle this on its own, but our private sector is basically broken.  In such times, government spending is the only lever left.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136437</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 02:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So until there&#039;s more &quot;real&quot; jobs available, people should just stop feeding their families?

Republican economics, ladies and gents!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So until there&#8217;s more &#8220;real&#8221; jobs available, people should just stop feeding their families?</p>
<p>Republican economics, ladies and gents!</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136435</link>
		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Steele will always be the Joe the Plumber of Maryland</description>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136434</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Let’s see… How does that go, again? Give a man a fish …&lt;/i&gt;

So you&#039;re calling construction workers lazy bums? Why do you hate blue collar America so much?

&lt;i&gt;You’re all very amusing, but way back a long time ago - yesterday - you were pretending not to understand Michael Steele. Now you are pretending not to understand me.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, I understand you completely. You&#039;re saying that work on a single project isn&#039;t real work. Now, never having have worked a day in your long long life, I can understand your confusion, but almost all work (except retail) works on a project-by-project basis. Nobody works on a single project for their entire career. What I &lt;b&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/b&gt; understand is how anyone could be a stupid as you.

Looks like poor Frankie&#039;s finally gone senile. It&#039;s like they say, the mind&#039;s the first thing to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Let’s see… How does that go, again? Give a man a fish …</i></p>
<p>So you&#8217;re calling construction workers lazy bums? Why do you hate blue collar America so much?</p>
<p><i>You’re all very amusing, but way back a long time ago &#8211; yesterday &#8211; you were pretending not to understand Michael Steele. Now you are pretending not to understand me.</i></p>
<p>Oh, I understand you completely. You&#8217;re saying that work on a single project isn&#8217;t real work. Now, never having have worked a day in your long long life, I can understand your confusion, but almost all work (except retail) works on a project-by-project basis. Nobody works on a single project for their entire career. What I <b>don&#8217;t</b> understand is how anyone could be a stupid as you.</p>
<p>Looks like poor Frankie&#8217;s finally gone senile. It&#8217;s like they say, the mind&#8217;s the first thing to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Repack Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136432</link>
		<dc:creator>Repack Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dunno, Frank.

I had a book published and worked as an editor for several magazines.  Sometimes I would get poorly written gibberish about an interesting subject and turn it into a readable article, but there&#039;s a limit to extracting signal when the noise overwhelms it, and you have far exceeded that limit.

I don&#039;t think even you know what the heck you are talking about, but it&#039;s certain that no one else does.  

I could be wrong.  Perhaps you are an unrecognized genius, and the only reason the world hasn&#039;t heard from you yet is because your only means of expressing your unique and narrowly focused genius is by posting on Oliver&#039;s blog.  If so, that means that the reason we don&#039;t understand you is that the entire rest of humanity has not yet caught up with your amazing intellect, but I wouldn&#039;t bet the rent on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dunno, Frank.</p>
<p>I had a book published and worked as an editor for several magazines.  Sometimes I would get poorly written gibberish about an interesting subject and turn it into a readable article, but there&#8217;s a limit to extracting signal when the noise overwhelms it, and you have far exceeded that limit.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think even you know what the heck you are talking about, but it&#8217;s certain that no one else does.  </p>
<p>I could be wrong.  Perhaps you are an unrecognized genius, and the only reason the world hasn&#8217;t heard from you yet is because your only means of expressing your unique and narrowly focused genius is by posting on Oliver&#8217;s blog.  If so, that means that the reason we don&#8217;t understand you is that the entire rest of humanity has not yet caught up with your amazing intellect, but I wouldn&#8217;t bet the rent on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136429</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I want to translate simple English, I use a dictionary. 

When I want to know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, I&#039;ll call you guys. You&#039;re all very amusing, but way back a long time ago - yesterday - you were pretending not to understand Michael Steele. Now you are pretending not to understand me.

So the score stands at &quot;readers of English&quot; - one.

Comedian wannabes - infinite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I want to translate simple English, I use a dictionary. </p>
<p>When I want to know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, I&#8217;ll call you guys. You&#8217;re all very amusing, but way back a long time ago &#8211; yesterday &#8211; you were pretending not to understand Michael Steele. Now you are pretending not to understand me.</p>
<p>So the score stands at &#8220;readers of English&#8221; &#8211; one.</p>
<p>Comedian wannabes &#8211; infinite.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for the Health service in the UK collecting blood. Unless they develop a viable synthetic blood, I&#039;m probably ok until retirement (I pay extra money in so that&#039;s at 55). If not, I can be redeployed in the wider health service, or be made redundant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for the Health service in the UK collecting blood. Unless they develop a viable synthetic blood, I&#8217;m probably ok until retirement (I pay extra money in so that&#8217;s at 55). If not, I can be redeployed in the wider health service, or be made redundant.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136424</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing about bridge and road maintenance. You know what happens when they finish painting, say, the Golden Gate Bridge? They turn right around and paint it again. Infrastructure projects are the types of contract jobs that really should never end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing about bridge and road maintenance. You know what happens when they finish painting, say, the Golden Gate Bridge? They turn right around and paint it again. Infrastructure projects are the types of contract jobs that really should never end.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136420</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>August J. Pollak says: &quot;Seriously, why are we bothering with Frank’s deliberate time-wasting here?&quot;

calling all toasters says: &quot;Because it’s slightly more entertaining than trying to outwit paint.&quot;

And the other option is actually doing work. 

Hell no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>August J. Pollak says: &#8220;Seriously, why are we bothering with Frank’s deliberate time-wasting here?&#8221;</p>
<p>calling all toasters says: &#8220;Because it’s slightly more entertaining than trying to outwit paint.&#8221;</p>
<p>And the other option is actually doing work. </p>
<p>Hell no.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/08/michael-steele-government-jobs-arent-jobs/#comment-136419</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank DiSalle says: &quot;a) Strowbridge - &#039;Your&#039; government is the Canadian gov’t, where perhaps the gravy train goes on forever.&quot;

And my contract? You are not going to deal with that? 

&quot;b) If you have a contract, that is not the same as a “make work” Project to build a library or a highway, or a museum dedicated to Eleanor Roosevelt.&quot;

Bridges, roads, and yes, even museums have a life expectancy. New bridges, new roads, and new buildings will always need to be built. Always. 

Since you don&#039;t get that, there&#039;s little to say except...

&quot;Shut the fuck up.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank DiSalle says: &#8220;a) Strowbridge &#8211; &#8216;Your&#8217; government is the Canadian gov’t, where perhaps the gravy train goes on forever.&#8221;</p>
<p>And my contract? You are not going to deal with that? </p>
<p>&#8220;b) If you have a contract, that is not the same as a “make work” Project to build a library or a highway, or a museum dedicated to Eleanor Roosevelt.&#8221;</p>
<p>Bridges, roads, and yes, even museums have a life expectancy. New bridges, new roads, and new buildings will always need to be built. Always. </p>
<p>Since you don&#8217;t get that, there&#8217;s little to say except&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Shut the fuck up.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Media Glutton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Media Glutton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding to Frank&#039;s illogical argument -- that since a government job is finite, it doesn&#039;t count -- then life itself doesn&#039;t count, unless Frank is immortal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding to Frank&#8217;s illogical argument &#8212; that since a government job is finite, it doesn&#8217;t count &#8212; then life itself doesn&#8217;t count, unless Frank is immortal.</p>
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