“Both parties are the same! Vote Nader!”
We went through this tired game already, Sirota’s just updating the names.
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“Both parties are the same! Vote Nader!”
We went through this tired game already, Sirota’s just updating the names.
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…what’s the logical fallacy called where you suggest that if someone agrees with an unpopular person, his argument is therefore wrong?
I’m generally in the same boat you are that it’s a bit early to be screeching about how Obama isn’t liberal enough, but for my money, the last two years of Reid and Pelosi’s leadership have been PLENTY to confirm Nader’s, Sirota’s, et al’s criticisms of the Democratic Party, regardless of Florida being stolen in 2000.
You win the internets.
[...] John Pilger: “Both parties are the same! Vote Nader!” (h/t O-Dub for inspiring the distillation, with pwofessional pwogressive thumb-sucker David Sirota providing [...]
Maybe Oliver Willis should remember that conservative Democrats like him pissing all over liberal Democrats during the Clinton years is exactly what gave us George W. Bush. Don’t blame voters for deciding not to vote for people who show them open contempt. IF Gore had gotten those extra 2 million voters Nader got, a total he never could have achieved without a lot of dissatisfaction towards the direction of the party, he would have been President. The world would likely be better off. It’s never the fault of voters in a Democracy, that can never be implied without calling into question the value of Democracy itself. It is always the fault of candidate for failing to get those voters to vote for them.
To paraphraase Oliver’s Nader remark,
“Sirota points out some hugely uncomfortable facts about the team of insider douche bags in Obama’s court so he must be dismissed and condescended to at all costs. Tying him to the nonsensical idea that Nader cost Gore the election is a good start.”
Please, do me the favor of pointing out what Sirota says that is wrong.
This isn’t about ideological purity, it’s about entrusting our future to the very men who worked feverishly to put us into this hole. I know it’s fun to blame the GOP 100% of the time for 100% of our woes (and they earn our scorn, daily), but a complicit Democratic party has done plenty to enable the collapse we are facing and that should NEVER be brushed under the rug.
I, for one, am tired of Obama apologists leaping to his defense whenever it is pointed out that he hasn’t invited ONE progressive to the table while throwing hundreds of billions in tax cuts down a hole to appease GOP and Blue Dog (DINO) asshats who will happily trash Obama to advance their own goals.
Daschle, for HHS, are you f*cking kidding me?
Being less of of a complete waste than George Bush is not enough. Obama needs to do better, MUCH better, before he loses all of the goodwill that got him into office.