All of a sudden a Democrat is in the White House, and Jake Tapper decides to ask tough questions. He wasn’t so interested before.
I should point out that I’m okay with the Obama administration being asked tough questions – they’re grownups and that’s why we voted them in – but it is kind of jarring when the same band of jackals who were castrated for the last 8 years suddenly decide to do something resembling their jobs.
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Helen, whack his pee-pee.
It was not a good moment for Gibbs. It’s fair to say that observation is pretty much universal.
If there’s ever a poll of who the snarky loser is between the two, I’ll take Gibbs and give 10, if anyone’s game.
If you don’t mind tough questions why is your immediate reaction to complain about it?
Gibbs looked like a fool. It’s been the so-called “grown-ups” who’ve been bellowing about “transparency” and “change” and what we’re getting is the same old fashioned political bullshit that we’ve seen from every other administration.
…and what we’re getting is the same old fashioned political bullshit that we’ve seen from every other administration.
So you’re complaint is that the Obama administration is just like every other administration?
So you’re complaint is that the Obama administration is just like every other administration? –fafaroo
This is too easy that I almost feel like its a trap, but yes, that is a complaint. Seeing as how he ran on Change and all. Seeing as how he made lots of promises and let stand admittedly unrealistic expectations about Change, yes, it is a complaint.
Seriously, you guys were much better on Offense. Is there some sort of combine you can go to learn a few things about Defense? If there’s not, someone should come up with one.
I so knew that would happen. You can be sure that the press, realizing that they had their noses way too far up the asses of a GOP administration, will seek to correct by being tough in a “gotcha” kind of way on the subsequent Democratic administration. It’s the way they balance things out.
Unintentional humor is the best kind! And that’s why I visit this site every day!
Oliver, your continued ignorance and complete lack of self-awareness never disappoints me!
Thanks!
“If there’s ever a poll of who the snarky loser is between the two, I’ll take Gibbs and give 10, if anyone’s game.”
I’ll take that. The reporter was snarky from the start.
Reporter: “I want this information.”
Gibb: “I’ll have to get back to with that information.”
Reporter: “Don’t you believe in transparency anymore?”
I’ll take that. The reporter was snarky from the start. –C.S.Strowbridge
Please, C.S. Tapper was one of the very few journalists who wasn’t fellating Obama at every opportunity during the campaign, like Chris Matthews’ tingle up his leg or Keith Olbermann’s bizarre man-crush, making Gibbs’ job then the cakewalk it was.
Now he asks him a question on an issue they’ve made a big deal about and are having loads of trouble with and Gibbs can’t handle it. Before now, I would’ve bet Scottie was the worst ever and would hold that title into infinity. I think I may have been wrong. Glad I didn’t give points on that one.
Seeing as how he made lots of promises and let stand admittedly unrealistic expectations about Change, yes, it is a complaint.
You’re IN FAVOR of a change from the policies of the Bush administration, but Obama isn’t making them fast enough to suit you?
Your communication skills are lacking, since I never would have guessed that from everything you write.
You’re IN FAVOR of a change from the policies of the Bush administration, but Obama isn’t making them fast enough to suit you?
No, I don’t think he is in FAVOR of a change from Bush’s policies, he just wants to point out that he EXPECTS them.
Or something.
Excellent point, Repack. “Hey, you big hypocrites. You promised to be all liberal and now you’re less liberal than we thought and we conservatives are mad about that!”
Dennis: “Now he asks him a question on an issue they’ve made a big deal about and are having loads of trouble with and Gibbs can’t handle it.”
The reporter asked a question and was pissed off that Gibbs didn’t immediately hand over the information.
‘I’ll have to get back to you with that information.’ is a perfectly reasonable response, as long as he does get back to him with that information.
It is not reasonable to attack Obama for lack of transparency because it takes a time frame longer than ‘instantaneous’, and Tapper looks like a child when he complains.
‘I’ll have to get back to you with that information.’ is a perfectly reasonable response–CSB
Uh-huh, right. Sarah Palin said that once on a brain-fart moment, and the entire Left-wing went berserk. On the blog that’s linked to just above this one on the Glenn Beck blog post- wanna guess how many times they’ve shown videos of all of the Bush WH Press Secretaries stumbling and saying they would get back on a certain question they couldn’t answer? Let me just tell you that it was a lot more than just a few, and the presumption of an innocent, “Hey, I’ve got it, just not right here.” was not one of the more popular responses.
Excellent point, Repack. “Hey, you big hypocrites. You promised to be all liberal and now you’re less liberal than we thought and we conservatives are mad about that!” Parthenon
No, Parthy, more like your guys are saying “Yeah, we know you guys know we ran a campaign of bashing the shit out of the prior administration for their blatant, abusive, and illegal transparency issues, and promised not to be anything at all like that, but please, just have some patience with us and believe us when we say we’ll get there. All in due time, mein freunds. Here, here’s some government-issued Kleenex for all the people crying tears of joy from our message of Change. It’s even got the Obama logo feintly super-imposed on it.”
“Next question. You, Chuck.”
Sarah Palin said that once on a brain-fart moment, and the entire Left-wing went berserk.
Depends on what you’re “getting back” about. If someone asks you what your middle name is or what magazines you read or whether you have heard the name of the current administration’s foreign policy, you should know the answer. If someone is asking you about some obscure statistic, allowing the respondent the opportunity to look it up seems reasonable. It’s not that Sarah Palin didn’t know the answer to a question. She didn’t know the answer to ANY OF THEM.
Remember, when Dana Perino as press Secretary, she gave that response a lot, but never “got back” with the answer to the question.
Let me ask you this: would the Bush Doctrine question have stumped Joe Biden? S#it, you wouldn’t be able to shut him up when he started expounding on something Sarah Palin didn’t have a clue about.
Me: “‘I’ll have to get back to you with that information.’ is a perfectly reasonable response–CSB”
Dennis: “Uh-huh, right. Sarah Palin said that once on a brain-fart moment, and the entire Left-wing went berserk.”
There’s a difference between being asked for some information and not having it on you immediately, and being asked to clarify a claim and not having any information.
“wanna guess how many times they’ve shown videos of all of the Bush WH Press Secretaries stumbling and saying they would get back on a certain question they couldn’t answer?”
There’s also a difference between saying, ‘I’ll get back to you.’ as a way of dismissing a question and actually getting back to someone. The press secretaries under Bush did the former, we don’t know about Gibbs.
Remember, when Dana Perino as press Secretary, she gave that response a lot, but never “got back” with the answer to the question.–Repack Rider
Give me an example of just a couple, if you wouldn’t mind. I’m not sure I know which ones you’re referring to.
There’s also a difference between saying, ‘I’ll get back to you.’ as a way of dismissing a question and actually getting back to someone. The press secretaries under Bush did the former, we don’t know about Gibbs.–CSB
I think rose-colored glasses must be more in fashion now than Sarah Palin’s Kazuo Kawasaki frames, C.S. Strowbridge.
I think Gibbs was being very dismissive. I think Tapper thought that too. I think a lot of people thought he was being dismissive, judging by the reaction in the, well, just about everywhere you look.
What was Tapper looking for? An immediate “yes, I’ll get those disclosure forms for you?”
Gibbs, standing on the podium, has no way to immediately find out what’s involved. If he overstates the availability of the info in any way at all, he sets himself up for a month worth of “coverup scandal” stories.
For Tapper to turn that into “Doesn’t he believe in transparency?” is juvenile.
“I’ll get back to you on that” is an acceptible answer … Unless your name is John Sydney McCain.
Oliver feigns shock:
“Why don’t we cut you up into little pieces and feed you to your pooches? Hmm? And then we’ll see how loyal a hungry dog really is.”
I guess you’d prefer your reporters to behave more like this guy?
Remember, always… IOKIYAD.
So I’ve just got to watch the video, as I was at school before. What an asshat. If you conservatives saw a reporter interrupt Bush’s press secretary with a snotty little gotcha line like that, I think we all know you’d go ballistic about the liberal media.
As has already been pointed out by CSS, Quaker, and Repack, Mr. Gibbs had three options:
1) Get back to Tapper.
2) Make something up.
3) Interrupt the briefing, pull out his phone and make it happen NOW!
“I’ll get back to you on that” is an acceptible answer … Unless your name is John Sydney McCain.
How many houses you own = asking a press secretary the legal protocol regarding nominee disclosure forms.
If your name is Save Farris.
For Tapper to turn that into “Doesn’t he believe in transparency?” is juvenile. Quaker in a Basement
I won’t quibble with you on that, Quibbie. But so is Gibbs’ almost dutiful obsession with Fox News.
It’s like a basketball game where many times the better team plays down to the competition. Maybe Jake the Snake thuught that’s how best to communicate with this dunderhead of a Press Secretary. My guess is there was a lot more history behind this than just this little repartee.
Seriously, you guys were much better on Offense.
And you guys still suck all the way around. Yes, Gibbs could have handled that exchange better.
But the only people calling Obama “The Messiah” were morons on the right. You created the meme and now your bitching that Obama isn’t a PERFECT BEING. Morons then. Morons now.
If you want to harp about change not being met, I give you SCHIP, as only one example, of change we can believe in. A bill that never could have passed under Bush.
I think that’s pretty fucking good for his first two weeks in office.
This is too easy that I almost feel like its a trap …”
The question wasn’t a trap, it was just pointed.
If you conservatives saw a reporter interrupt Bush’s press secretary with a snotty little gotcha line like that, I think we all know you’d go ballistic about the liberal media.–Parthenon (”No, we didn’t go to any nightclubs when we were there.”)
Parthy- If it wasn’t a bit off-topic, I’d ask you to let me tell you about a woman named Helen Thomas. It wasn’t until last week that she shocked the world and revealed for the first time that she was a liberal, but we stopped going ballistic on her idiocy back in the Reagan years.
But the only people calling Obama “The Messiah” were morons on the right. –fafaroo
Under God
–WaPo/Newsweek
Busy, but read that and look at the links provided, fafaroo.
Mr. Chris Tingle himself– “The salty 62-year old Chris Matthews of MSNBC puts the phenomenon of Obama on the good book scale, telling the NY Observer that “I’ve been following politics since I was about 5. I’ve never seen anything like this. This is bigger than Kennedy. [Obama] comes along, and he seems to have the answers. This is the New Testament. This is surprising.”
You guys, and you especially, fafaroo, would grill me incessantly if I had made such a careless and false statement, especially if I had prefaced it by saying ‘you morons’.
I posted videos of college men calling him ‘their own person Jesus’. Gonna call them morons?
Seriously, you have got to be fucking kidding me with that statement.
wanna guess how many times they’ve shown videos of all of the Bush WH Press Secretaries stumbling and saying they would get back on a certain question they couldn’t answer?
So what’s the big deal?
The salty 62-year old Chris Matthews of MSNBC puts the phenomenon of Obama on the good book scale, Dennis
Ah, I think I see your problem. You consider Chris Matthews a journalist.
I don’t think that reporter was new, you’d think he would already know the procedures from his past experiences with investigatory journalism and due diligence and all.
So what’s the big deal?–D62
Not a big deal. Just that they never miss an opportunity to rip the press secretary at any given instance, especially when it’s a ‘I’ll get back to you on that.’ response like Gibbs’. Now, when the shoe’s on the other foot, you guys go into full attack the messenger mode.
Ah, I think I see your problem. You consider Chris Matthews a journalist.–D62 Part II
I consider him an embarrassment to whatever the hell profession someone would say he was involved in, but he is firmly rooted on the Left, and his admiration for Obama is most definitely Messianic.
Not a big deal.
Ok. What’s next? /Jed Bartlett
I consider him an embarrassment to whatever the hell profession someone would say he was involved in,
Okay, I’m with ya.
but he is firmly rooted on the Left, and his admiration for Obama is most definitely Messianic.
Oh now, see I disagree with your characterization of him being solely owned by the left. I seem to remember him swooning over the way Fred! Thompson smelled.
Face it, he’ll suck whatever is in front of him.
I love the rightards false equivalency. There is a time for “I’ll get back to you” and a time to answer the question (or admit your ignorance). “Can you get me disclosure forms from OMB?” is a pretty obscure question, would it even be legal to put that personal information out on the web? Is there any reason to expect the WH spokesman to proffer up these documents immediately?
Now compare to the questions McCain and Palin couldn’t answer:
“How many homes do you own?”
“(Can you give any) specific examples in his (McCain) 26 years of pushing for more regulation?” This question was in response to Palin saying McCain would regulate Wall Street and the banking industry, so she practically asked the question herself.
Obviously you don’t remember Chris Matthews waxing on about how W’s flightsuit made his cock look great. Seriously.
Oh now, see I disagree with your characterization of him being solely owned by the left. I seem to remember him swooning over the way Fred! Thompson smelled.
Face it, he’ll suck whatever is in front of him.
Agreed. But Duros, he came very close to announcing he was going to run for Senate in 2010 against Arlen Specter. And I don’t seriously doubt it was going to be as an Independent.
He’s a hack. I hate Michael Barone Chris Matthews because he dresses up conservative pro-Republican liberal pro-Democratic spin as nonpartisan analysis.
Damn, my strikes didn’t work right. My best line of the day ruined!
@ Jay:
If you don’t mind tough questions why is your immediate reaction to complain about it?
The point inconsistency. Inconsistent reporting transcends political affiliation. This criticism would be just as valid if a left-swaying reporter were the target.
If you don’t see that, you need to step back, take a few deep breaths, grab a dictionary, and re-read the definition of objectivity.
If you still miss the point, well, I’m sorry for you.
Matthews is consistently pro-Democrat?
Dennis, were you in a coma for all of 1999 and 2000?
You guys, and you especially, fafaroo, would grill me incessantly if I had made such a careless and false statement, especially if I had prefaced it by saying ‘you morons’.
Right. Chris Matthews and some college guys. Dennis, anyone who thought or thinks that Obama is Jesus or even Jesus-like has a fucking problem.
For that matter, please peruse Matthews fawning over Bush’s “manliness” after the Mission Accomplished speech: http://mediamatters.org/items/200604270005
Of course, you’re free to argue that Bush lived up to Matthews evocations of Eisenhower and Reagan after “that amazing display of leadership”.
There’s no denying, however, that it was a solely right wing talking point during the campaign that Obama thought of HIMSELF as an all perfect, all knowing savior. Hell, just this afternoon Hannity couldn’t stop from referring to Obama as “The Messiah” on his radio show.
You’re still holding him to that standard created out of whole cloth by right wing asshats. You wrote above:
Let stand? Really? Obama should have got up on a stage and announced that he wasn’t Jesus? Obama should have personally told Chris Matthews to calm down? Okey dokey.
Did Bush call up Matthews and say, “Heh, hey there, Hardballs, I appreciate the compliment but could ya tone down the Eisenhower references? We wouldn’t want anyone to get the wrong idea about my actual abilities”?
If you don’t think Obama has made good on his promises for change, I give you SCHIP, the Lilly Ledbetter law and his interview with Arab television as three examples — in his first TWO WEEKS — of things that were literally impossible or unthinkable under the Bush administration.
People were very excited about Obama no doubt. Now that excitement is being tempered by the reality of, you know, running the country.
But for you to suggest that Obama hasn’t started delivering on his promises is to deny reality entirely.
No, Quibbie, he’s not consistently pro-Democrat. I don’t know just what exactly Chris Matthews is. Maybe he’s an enigma, a mystery wrapped in a riddle. Or maybe he’s a mystery wrapped in a Twinkie. Words fail me with that guy.
But fafaroo said the only people calling Obama “The Messiah” were morons on the right. And Matthews was just one of many examples to the contrary.
fafaroo hasn’t been back since he left that little turd lying in the middle of the sidewalk.
Agreed. But Duros, he came very close to announcing he was going to run for Senate in 2010 against Arlen Specter.
And how much of that was to get attention. Coming very close is not quite as close as actually doing it.
“that amazing display of
leadershipshowmanship”.Let stand? Really? Obama should have got up on a stage and announced that he wasn’t Jesus?
Who was on TV just 2 days ago saying “I screwed up”? Who said just today “I’m not perfect. Michelle tells me that every day.”
This idea that he’s Messianic is NOT the construction of the left, and Mathews is NOT a spokesman for the left by any means.
Chris Matthews is an idiot in love with power. At any given time he’s been ready to jump in bed with George W. Bush, John McCain, Barack Obama. About the only people he’s consistently hated were the Clintons.
fafaroo hasn’t been back since he left that little turd lying in the middle of the sidewalk.
Uh, okay …
That little turd was you, Dennis.
I thought Tapper was a lefty until recently- whats with the change? Levin calls him “jack” tapper, and not by accident …
SaveFarris says: “‘I’ll get back to you on that’ is an acceptible answer … Unless your name is John Sydney McCain.”
Two points…
1.) It depends on the question. “How many homes do you have?” is not a question you need to get back to someone with. “You say John McCain has a track record of doing X. Can you give some examples?” is not a question that you need to get back to someone with.
2.) It depends on if they actually get back to someone with the answer.
fafaroo hasn’t been back since he left that little turd lying in the middle of the sidewalk.–Dennis
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Uh, okay …—-fafaroo
Hey fafaroo-
Clue me in. How many messianic references toward Barack Obama from his fawning supporters would be required in order for you to apologize for your remark? You said there were none, but pick a number that you’d think would be convincing enough.
I mean within reason, something under one hundred, say.
“I mean within reason, something under one hundred, say.”
How about less than the number of times the GOP attacked him using that reference.
But wait, if you ask that question again, you will be stalking fafaroo. Or do you have different standards on that term?
About the only people he’s consistently hated were the Clintons.
Exactly. And somehow that makes him a liberal shill.
How many messianic references toward Barack Obama from his fawning supporters would be required in order for you to apologize for your remark?
You mean apologize to you? Gosh, Dennis, I had no idea I hurt your feelings so bad.
Oh and Dennis, if you can come up with one comment from Barack Obama referring to himself as the Messiah, you may have a point.
Otherwise, I have no idea what you’re bitching about.
Above you seem to be complaining that Obama isn’t the Messiah. Is that really your position? That Obama sucks because he isn’t the Second Coming?
And Dennis, for every moron off the street you can cite, I’ll give a moron with a column:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGI2ZWI2MzA2MWRkZTIyZmIxZjkzOWE0NjAzMDIwOTA=
Dennis, you haven’t responded to any of my most recent posts!
I must have totally schooled you!
You mean apologize to you? Gosh, Dennis, I had no idea I hurt your feelings so bad.–fafaroo
Actually just an apology to yourself would be a good place to start for that miscarriage of intelligent thought.
I swear, fafaroo, you remind me of an envelope without any address on it.
Actually just an apology to yourself would be a good place to start for that miscarriage of intelligent thought.
Do you even know what you’re talking about anymore?
Here, fafaroo, while you’re feverishly working on different ways to ’school me’, play around for a while on this website.
Is Obama the Messiah?
I was going to actually post 10-20 Messiah references from people just to see if you consider them ‘moron’s’, as you say, but there’s over a hundred of them right there all on one website. Less bandwidth.
That, and I don’t particular enjoying ’schooling’ anyone.
That website is amazingly well done. One of you guys should submit the Obama-Superman picture shown here after every time Obama says something ‘refreshing’.
Dennis, anyone who seriously believes anyone on the planet, including Obama, is literally a messiah, let alone the messiah is a moron, at best, someone with serious personal issues, at worst.
That website is amazingly well done.
Uh right. Tell me Dennis, the Obama quote they use at the top of blog.
Was Obama serious or being facetious as he spoke those words?
Dennis, if we own anyone who refers to Obama as a “messiah”, facetious or otherwise, then you must own up to this.
Was Obama serious or being facetious as he spoke those words? fafaroo
Fafa- You’ll have to go a little further down the page than just the header to get a flavor for just how many, and there are many, people who think he was being serious. Those people are very serious about this man being the new Messiah. I’m not going to call them morons just as won’t call anyone who believes in anything supernatural a moron.
You are free to call them morons, that’s you’re prerogative. But what you said was that only people on the right call him the Messiah, and I think that website provides a plethora of examples showing plainly your error in judgment in making that statement. An error you seem to want to dance all around, but not want to own up to.
Dennis, if we own anyone who refers to Obama as a “messiah”, facetious or otherwise, then you must own up to this. Zython
Zython- You’re the person that stumbles in to a meeting 15 minutes late and starts talking and asking questions about things that were already discussed, but doesn’t apologize for her tardiness or obnoxiousness or even attempt to get up to speed quickly. But in this case, your statement has absolutely nothing to do with the point already discussed. No, that would take your going up in the thread and actually reading.
I don’t HAVE to own up to those freaks just as I don’t expect you to have to own up to all the people who prostrate themselves at the altar of King HopenChange.
You’re the person that stumbles in to a meeting 15 minutes late and starts talking and asking questions about things that were already discussed, but doesn’t apologize for her tardiness or obnoxiousness or even attempt to get up to speed quickly. But in this case, your statement has absolutely nothing to do with the point already discussed. No, that would take your going up in the thread and actually reading.
Why the fuck should I care about YOUR time? Who are you? For that matter, who cares? You’re just a 2-bit nobody who trolls political blogs. If anything, you’re wasting MY time.
I don’t HAVE to own up to those freaks just as I don’t expect you to have to own up to all the people who prostrate themselves at the altar of King HopenChange.
But you just asked fafaroo to do so not 1 hour before my post. Give up, Dennis, these are the people that define your movement. Deal with it.
“But what you said was that only people on the right call him the Messiah …”
Dennis, since your so fired up to prove me wrong, feel to spend the rest of your weekend culling all the statements you can in which Obama’s supporters refer to him as “The Messiah.”
To make it easier, let’s stick with first person quotes, not paraphrases or reporter’s descriptions. And you can skip any “messiah-like” and other such allusions.
When your done with that list, try to find any people on it who are now decrying Obama’s betrayal of his promises just two weeks into his presidency.
If that sounds like I’m trying to dance around the point, it’s your point, not mine.
My point is that only people on the right tried and are trying to stick the “Messiah” label on Obama as if he himself believed he was all powerful and would bring sweeping change to the world with a wave of his hand.
It’s a neat little trick. Call Obama The Messiah then start bitching that he isn’t. Hold out Obama’s campaign theme of change and then start bitching two fucking weeks into his presidency that he isn’t changing things fast enough or radically enough.
It’s just more bullshit from the right.
Okay, Dennis. You got your homework assignment. Please show your work.
It’s a neat little trick. Call Obama The Messiah then start bitching that he isn’t.–fafaroo
falafel-roo,
You’re still dancing, but no, the neat trick is for Obama’s handlers and supporters creating and propagating this myth of him as the Messiah, through print, speech, video, artistry, and imagery; use it to get him elected as a diversion to his paper-thin resume, and then when he takes office and bungles his way through his first 2 1/2 weeks as his executive shortcomings become embarrassingly obvious to everyone with observational skills greater than that of the average slug, methodically start downplaying that aura of almost supernatural greatness that was just created for him.
An even neater trick when he blames his problems on Republicans, Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.
Change, fafaroo. When you start to notice it, please wake me up.
Obama’s handlers and supporters creating and propagating this myth of him as the Messiah,
This didn’t happen. Give me more than anecdotal evidence that it did and I’ll eat my laptop.
This didn’t happen. Give me more than anecdotal evidence that it did and I’ll eat my laptop.–Parthenon
It certainly did happen, Parthy.
Is Obama the Messiah?
Although I hesitate to post that link again that proves it because, seriously, there are a lot of toxic components in your laptop. I watched a 60 Minutes segment where discarded computer parts are shipped somewhere in China where they break them down and sell them, and the physical effects on these workers is horriffic.
Please promise me you won’t even attempt to do that, okay? A simple, “Allright, Dennis, you make a good point. I had no idea. Thanks.” would suffice.
“It certainly did happen, Parthy.
Is Obama the Messiah?”
Did you even read that Boing Boing post?
Hell, did you read the obamamessiah blog?
“Please promise me you won’t even attempt to do that, okay? A simple, “Allright, Dennis, you make a good point. I had no idea. Thanks.” would suffice.”
How’s this…
“Please promise me you won’t even attempt to do that, okay? A simple, ‘Allright, Dennis, you make a good point. I had no idea. Thanks.’ would suffice.”
You are a fucking idiot who is taking random people who are not officially connected to the Obama campaign and are pretending what they do was officially sanctioned. It’s like saying that woman who carved the B into her face was doing so under direct orders of McCain or his handlers.
“…the neat trick is for Obama’s handlers and supporters creating and propagating this myth of him as the Messiah, through print, speech, video, artistry, and imagery …”
ROFLMAO. Propagating the myth that Obama was “The Messiah”? You mean you actually think that part of Obama’s official campaign strategy was to get people thinking that he might be Jesus? Are fucking serious? Really?
Okay, Dennis. Can you find one single quote in which one of Obama’s “handlers” refers to him as “The Messiah”?
You need help dude.
You are a fucking idiot who is taking random people who are not officially connected to the Obama campaign and are pretending what they do was officially sanctioned.. C.S. Strowbridge
You can call me any name you want to, especially if it gives you a sense of accomplishment when you’ve provided nothing to the conversation, but I didn’t say that. I said his supporters and his handlers. His supporters and his willing media did boatloads to create a messianic vision of Barack Obama, and his handlers were compliant, even enablers. In no way whatsoever did they try to dispel that notion. Why would they, even if they could?
They had to be perfectly fine with Obama’s supporters talking and writing about him in quasi-religious terms, and the abundant imagery of Obama with a halo above him and (and many other ones), otherwise they’d have done something to stop it.
And they didn’t.
..and then when he takes office and bungles his way through his first 2 1/2 weeks as his executive shortcomings become embarrassingly obvious to everyone with observational skills greater than that of the average slug,
And yet, George Bush bungled his way through eight fucking years and you had no problem with that.
Odd.
In no way whatsoever did they try to dispel that notion. Why would they, even if they could?
The candidates’ own words to the contrary.
Again, I’ll say who was on TV just 2 days ago saying “I screwed up”? Who said just today “I’m not perfect. Michelle tells me that every day.”
This idea that he’s Messianic is NOT the construction of the left.
“You can call me any name you want to, especially if it gives you a sense of accomplishment when you’ve provided nothing to the conversation, but I didn’t say that.”
I’ve providing nothing to the conversation?
You made the claim that, “Obama’s handlers and supporters creating and propagating this myth of him as the Messiah, through print, speech, video, artistry, and imagery;”
Your evidence was to link to a site with images done by random people, not his handlers.
So yes, you did say that. After all, if you can blame Obama for what random supporters are saying, then what I said was 100x more accurate.
“Why would they, even if they could?”
“…otherwise they’d have done something to stop it.”
Like what?
C.S.Strowbridge-
You keep calling me a fucking idiot. Not a problem, but I don’t understand why you keep coming back to spar with me and demanding clarification on things I’ve already explained. Is it satisfying to you to feel that you’ve won an argument against someone you consider to be a fucking idiot? Is that a win for you? Asking endless questions of someone you think is an idiot?
About that blog you linked to, amigo – the quote at the top is lazily transcribed, and gets a few of the words wrong. For one, it says ‘Obama’ where the president said ‘Barack.’ Also, the elipsis they put at the beginning of the quote replaces the words ‘my job this morning is to be so persuasive that.’
Changes the context a bit, doesn’t it? With the elipsis, he’s an arrogant ass saying this will happen. With the full quote, he’s using a little poetic license to describe how good he hopes his speech comes across.
Dennis: “You keep calling me a fucking idiot.”
That’s cause you are a fucking idiot.
“Not a problem, but I don’t understand why you keep coming back to spar with me and demanding clarification on things I’ve already explained.”
Really? You’ve already explained why Obama’s handlers are responsible for what some of his supporters have done?
You’ve never even explained how they could have stop the supporters from using such imagery.
Hell, you never answered if you read the post on Boing Boing, because it clearly says it is not the messiah, but the patron saint of the poor Obama has replaced.
That kind of mistake hurts your credibility.
“Is it satisfying to you to feel that you’ve won an argument against someone you consider to be a fucking idiot?”
It’s entertaining watching you act like a ‘tard.
And when it comes to procrastinating, that’s what I’m looking for.
I said his supporters and his handlers. His supporters and his willing media did boatloads to create a messianic vision of Barack Obama, and his handlers were compliant, even enablers. In no way whatsoever did they try to dispel that notion.
ROFLMAO – again! Oh god, Dennis, you are too fucking funny. There are so many things ridiculously funny about this graph I don’t even know where to start.
What a tool.
fafaroo- So here’s your logic… the strategy to call Obama a messiah was all concocted by Republican operatives. So all the examples of Obama as Messiah from Chris Matthews, Louis Farrakhan, Oprah, Toni Morrison, Halle Barrey, Mark Morford (who called him, The Lightworker), Jesse Jackosn, Time magazine, Rolling Stone and The New Republic- who pictured him with a halo, Depak Chopra, Daily Kos, Gary Hart, Ezra Klein…the list is huge, all these were unwitting participants, duped by Republicans? They went along, or they fell for it, this plot hatched by the Republicans.
When the liberal blogger Jonathan Stein, from ‘Mother Jones’
wrote Barack Obama’s Messiah Complex… “Barack Obama has a messiah complex and no one will convince me otherwise. …” almost one year ago to the day, well before Obama had even won the nomination, warning of the dangers of an ‘Obama-as-cult meme, was he just playing into the hands of that same Republican plot. Was Hillary Clinton when she chided Obama about the heavens opening and the waters parting?…”Let’s just get everybody together. Let’s get unified. The sky will open. The light will come down. Celestial choirs will be singing. And everyone should know we will do the right thing and the world will be perfect.”
Or Slate.com…The Obama Messiah Watch
Or Excitable Andy Sullivan, a devout Obama supporter, after admitting that Obama has little going for him in terms of such practical matters as experience or knowledge, nevertheless describes the meaning of his candidacy in shamanistic tones.
Or Bill Richardson announcing Obama was “the kind of once-in-a-lifetime leader that can bring our nation together and restore America’s moral leadership in the world.”… despite having done none of that before or since.
Or even the now-famous LA Times op-ed from David Ehrenstein on <a href=http:”//www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center”Obama the ‘Magic Negro’
messiah: “One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator.”– American Heritage Dictionary
Presumably to you guys, fafaroo, CS Strowbridge, Parthy and Duros, these liberals all fell for the Republican ploy of painting Obama as a savior to be mocked?? And Obama did not like it but his handlers were powerless to stop it, both from the conservative and his fawning media and celebrity supporters. And it backfired on the Republicans. But for some reason they continue to use it.
This is your logic of how it all went down? All the construct of Republican invention, and even still being carried out?
Sheesh.
ROFLMAO – again! Oh god, Dennis, you are too fucking funny. There are so many things ridiculously funny about this graph I don’t even know where to start.– fafaroo
Maybe you’re right, fafaroo. Maybe an intelligent response is not the way to go for you. Calling people names is probably more your strong suit when it comes to debate.
And again, why can’t I use you’re logic to apply Jesus Camp to all Republicans? Oh, that’s right, because you’re “immune” to political straw manning due to your overinflated ego.
And before you say anything (assuming you don’t run with your tail between your legs as usual) no, this isn’t constructive dissent. If you want to dissent the stimulus or something, that’s fine, but hating him for the sake of hating him or because he has a ‘D” next to his name is another.
Give it up, Denny, Obama’s your President. And if you don’t like it, you can move back to Saudi Arabia.
Dennis, you’re concept of “messiah” is as broad, shallow, and wrongly-applied as Jonah Goldberg’s concept of “fascism”. That said, you’re an outstanding troll, consistently wrong, condescendingly stupid, and just thoroughly annoying. Plus, you demonstrate no actual thought, just the regurgitation of various amounts of crap you’ve swallowed elsewhere. Although you demonstrate the singlemindedness of a troll, I often assume you’re a spoof, since most right-wing trolls are incapable of you utilizing links (although you often demonstrate little knowledge of the data contained in said links).
Although in case you aren’t, I suspect the problem conservatives have with “Obama as messiah” is that they are just convinced that Bush, not Obama is the true messiah. As per standard internet rules, since I have more links to Bush=messiah than you do to Obama=messiah, you lose.
Dennis: “Maybe you’re right, fafaroo. Maybe an intelligent response is not the way to go for you. Calling people names is probably more your strong suit when it comes to debate.”
Dennis, you’re the guy who claims Ed is stalking you, even though he’s done nothing by respond to your posts on this one site.
You also claimed I come here for the movies and comic threads, not the politics, even though I ignore most of those.
So it seems you have a poor grasp on reality. You claim Obama’s handlers have some responsibility for the messiah imagery, yet you have done nothing to back it up.
Why should we threat your claims seriously?
Why should we treat your claims seriously? –C.S. Strowbridge
Well, if you don’t, and you keep coming back to me as often as you do, I’d think a few moments of some serious self-reflection would be in order, Mr. Strowbridge.
“Well, if you don’t, and you keep coming back to me as often as you do, I’d think a few moments of some serious self-reflection would be in order, Mr. Strowbridge.”
It’s either make fun of you, or watch Melrose Place.
Yeech.
On a side note, while I’m self-reflecting, perhaps you could offer some real evidence that Obama’s handlers have anything to do with the ‘Messiah Imagery’. And if you are going to stick with your pathetic claim that they didn’t do enough to stop it, give specifics. Tell use what they should have done.
Presumably to you guys, fafaroo, CS Strowbridge, Parthy and Duros, these liberals all fell for the Republican ploy of painting Obama as a savior to be mocked??
Well, speaking only for myself, I believe Republicans tried to turn Democratic/liberal excitement about their candidate against the candidate, use his own momentum against him, to try and make him appear arrogant and distant to the all-important independents.
“You also claimed I come here for the movies and comic threads, not the politics, even though I ignore most of those.”—–C. S. Strowbridge
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Right, you ignore most of them.
Apparently you couldn’t ignore the very next two comic book threads Oliver posted above.
Crediblity and grasps on reality, C.S. Strowbridge.
Please, do tell.
Well, speaking only for myself, I believe Republicans tried to turn Democratic/liberal excitement about their candidate against the candidate, use his own momentum against him, to try and make him appear arrogant and distant to the all-important independents.
Well, yeah, they did, Parthy. So did Hillary. But it doesn’t mean Republicans created the Obama messianic myth. Excuse the redundancy, but it was liberals and the media that did that.
But I repeat myself.
Dennis: “Right, you ignore most of them.
Apparently you couldn’t ignore the very next two comic book threads Oliver posted above.
Crediblity and grasps on reality, C.S. Strowbridge.
Please, do tell.”
Two. Wow. Two out of how many?
Dennis, you are a fucking ‘tard.
There is no other way to describe it.
Now you better run, before your stalker shows up.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Dennis: “Well, yeah, they did, Parthy. So did Hillary. But it doesn’t mean Republicans created the Obama messianic myth. Excuse the redundancy, but it was liberals and the media that did that.”
Prove it.
Prove it, you lying sack of shit.
Two. Wow. Two out of how many? — C. S. Strowbridge
Uh, that would be two out of two on this page alone, CSB. One thread you posted twice. (Let’s see, 2 divided by 2= 1. Move over 2 decimals for a percentage. Looks like 100%, CS).
So if you were trying to ignore them since you ‘ignore most of them’, those two must’ve been especially enticing to you.
I was going to post the famous SNL video of William Shatner telling a group of Trekkie nerds to Get a life!, but I just didn’t have the heart to.
I suppose we’re all just spitting in the wind on this messiah business until some enterprising political scientist does a comprehensive study on American media coverage from 2004-8.
And if you are going to stick with your pathetic claim that they didn’t do enough to stop it, give specifics. Tell us what they should have done.
And why would they want to? Capitalize on a candidate’s popularity? Right, can’t have that.
Sounds like a lot of sour grapes to me.
Duros- That’s exactly what I said, why would the Obama camp want to stop an almost cult-like following for him? I didn’t claim they should’ve stopped it, just that they didn’t, which made them somewhat compliant in furthering it. I think they’ve managed to somewhat effectively temper that a bit since the election, but up to the election, thed’ve been crazy to try to stop the phenomenon going on, even if it was very weird.
“Two. Wow. Two out of how many? — C. S. Strowbridge”
Dennis: “Uh, that would be two out of two on this page alone, CSB. One thread you posted twice. (Let’s see, 2 divided by 2= 1. Move over 2 decimals for a percentage. Looks like 100%, CS).”
Wow. So you looked at just the front page and decided that was enough evidence for you. Perhaps if you did a little more research you would have come to a different conclusion.
Two for two on this page, and one of those is about a woman in a small shirt, which I would say trumps the comic book angle.
I was zero for three in the previous page, zero for four if you include the Star Trek one, which is a movie series as well as a TV series.
And I was one for four the page before that. One for five if you include Battlestar Galactica. (I know you said movie / comic book threads, but I think it would be splitting hairs to exclude TV shows from the count.)
So in the past three pages I’ve replied to three such threads. Three out of nine (or eleven, depending on how you count them).
Hmmmm, that’s less than half. That means I ignore most of them.
“So if you were trying to ignore them since you ‘ignore most of them’, those two must’ve been especially enticing to you.”
Yep. One was about a hot woman in a small shirt. The other was about someone I personally met. The third out of nine (or eleven) was about a TV series I have been following for nearly 30 years now.
- That’s exactly what I said, why would the Obama camp want to stop an almost cult-like following for him? I didn’t claim they should’ve stopped it, just that they didn’t, which made them somewhat compliant in furthering it.
Again, does that make Bush responsible for the shit that happened in Jesus Camp?
I said his supporters and his handlers. His supporters and his willing media did boatloads to create a messianic vision of Barack Obama, and his handlers were compliant, even enablers.
Dennis, what you’re arguing in this quote above is that Obama himself, his supporters and the media colluded to create this myth that Obama was “The Messiah”. But later you give us quotes from a bunch of anti-Obama people referring to his “messiah complex”.
As for the actual Obama supporters, Sullivan and Bill Richards, you’ve had to seriously stretch to get them to fir the bill, as Crusty Dem points out above.
Obama did not win the election because the Obama campaign and the media convinced a majority of Americans that Obama was the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
Obama’s opponents, on the other hand, attempted to turn the admittedly unprecedented enthusiasm for Obama’s candidacy into a liability by suggesting that there was something cult-like about it and that Obama himself believed he was The Messiah. That line of attack continues with conservatives arguing, as you have done, that “See, see he isn’t the Messiah! He’s a naughty boy!”
but up to the election, thed’ve been crazy to try to stop the phenomenon going on, even if it was very weird.
Jealous much?
I mean, whatever, dude. Somebody went a little overboard with their campaign rhetoric somewhere. Repubs pounced on it and perpetuated the myth that liberals felt that way. Obama’s campaign did nothing to stop it (other than the candidate repeatedly saying “I’m not perfect.”) and you’re crying foul?
Oh the poutrage!
I didn’t claim they should’ve stopped it, just that they didn’t, which made them somewhat compliant in furthering it. I think they’ve managed to somewhat effectively temper that a bit since the election, but up to the election, thed’ve been crazy to try to stop the phenomenon going on, even if it was very weird.
Wait a second Dennis. You argued further up the thread that:
Seeing as how he made lots of promises and let stand admittedly unrealistic expectations about Change, yes, it is a complaint.
So now you’re saying that Obama would have been crazy to temper expectation before the election, that you don’t think he should have and that since the election he’s “somewhat effectively” downplayed these expectations which is a good thing.
But you’re still going to complain about it all, anyway.
Whatevs, dude.
Come on back, Dennis. Come on back and tell me how three out of nine is most. Prove your logical skills and research abilities are something to fear.
Come on back, Dennis. Come on back and tell me how three out of nine is most. Prove your logical skills and research abilities are something to fear.– C.S. Strowbridge
I begged off that one, CSB, because like I said, I don’t have the heart. It’s ok in my book to be in your mid-30’s and still be in love with comic books. If you are, be a man about it though.
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Labor leader Cecil Roberts:
“I used to be a community organizer and I’m in good company,” Roberts said as he introduced Barack Obama at a town hall event here Tuesday night. “Martin Luther King was a community organizer. Listen, Sarah, Moses was a community organizer and yes, Jesus was a community organizer.”
Democratic Congressman Steve Cohen (D-TN) declares on the floor of the House:
“Jesus was a community organizer. Pilate was a governor.”
Donna Brazile, among many others, made the same comparison…..
…..“The Bible says to whom much is given much is required and it comes out of that tradition. So it was insulting to see both, you know, the governor as well as Mayor Giuliani criticize people. There’s some on the Internet now that Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor. And perhaps they should understand the role of a community organizer, do help people in distress.”
Created by the far-left devil-worshipping loons at Daily Kos, the Jesus Christ as community organizer comparison to Barack Obama caught on and was repeated over and over by many Obama supporters of significance, even in his own camp. Anyone here have any links to any stories as to how Obama may have tried to downplay these likenings of him to Jesus Christ?
CASE CLOSED.
Let’s see, asses kicked on this thread:
Crusty Dem. Check.
fafaroo. Multiple checks.
Duros62. Check.
Zython. Check
C.S.Strowbridge. Check
Enlightened Liberal. Check
I must say, 102 posts on this thread and not one Hitler or Orwell reference, and not one “STFU”. Maybe there is something to this Messiah thing about Obama; maybe he has gotten you guys to shed your cynicism, as Michelle said he would do.
Me: “Come on back, Dennis. Come on back and tell me how three out of nine is most. Prove your logical skills and research abilities are something to fear.– C.S. Strowbridge”
Dennis: “I begged off that one, CSB, because like I said, I don’t have the heart. It’s ok in my book to be in your mid-30’s and still be in love with comic books. If you are, be a man about it though.”
I haven’t collected comic books in 20 years. But I’ll just add that to the huge list of things you are wrong about.
Dennis: “CASE CLOSED.”
Not even close.
The again, for someone who can’t tell what ‘most’ means, I’m not surprised you are having trouble with your original claim.
C.S Strowbridge-
Go back up thread and count how many links I’ve provided in support of what I’m saying. Then go up and count yours. I’ll save you from the latter… it’s zero. You have this insatiable demand for more information from me, but every time I provide it with a link, (even if admittedly it’s not the best link I could’ve come up with), you say, ‘No sale’, as if I couldn’t have predicted that. You can’t intelligibly correct, expound, embellish, refute, or clarify; all you can do is say ‘bullshit’, call me the usual names liberals are so fond of calling people, and demand more proof; proof that you’d never have the courage to acknowledge was a good point made no matter how wrong you were or right I was.
I’m probably a dope to keep supplying you with more of what feeds you, but all I’m saying is be a man about it and stop crying like a little school girl who just had her pigtails yanked on after her mom just braided them for her when you’ve been thoroughly pwned. Repeatedly.
Admit defeat and move on, like the example Obama just provided for you. It takes courage, but people will say ‘How refreshing’ and probably admire you more for it than when you whine and cry. Like some of my Purdue PUkes friends say, CSS, ‘Boiler Up’.
“I used to be a community organizer and I’m in good company,” Roberts said as he introduced Barack Obama at a town hall event here Tuesday night. “Martin Luther King was a community organizer. Listen, Sarah, Moses was a community organizer and yes, Jesus was a community organizer.”
Dennis, if you can;t be honest in your characterization of these quotes, you lose by default.
These people are not comparing Obama to Jesus. They’re defending the idea of “community organizers”.
For fucksakes, this is like hippies who told their dad’s in the 60s, “Hey man, Jesus had long hair and wore sandals.”
That doesn’t mean the kid was comparing himself to Jesus.
Moron.
“Go back up thread and count how many links I’ve provided in support of what I’m saying. Then go up and count yours. I’ll save you from the latter… it’s zero.”
This from the guy who thinks 3 out of 9 is most.
I trust your links as much as I trust your counting skills.
As Fafaroo has already pointed out, your links don’t back up your original claim. The Republicans started attacking community organizers as a way of attack Obama. People were comparing community organizers from the past as a way to defend that job. They were not comparing Obama to Moses.
“proof that you’d never have the courage to acknowledge was a good point made no matter how wrong you were or right I was.”
This is only true if you were right. You are not.
Your original claim is Obama and his handlers created the Messiah Myth.
You have done nothing to back up THAT CLAIM. You have supplied evidence that is not directly related to your claim. Until you supply evidence that is directly related to your original claim, you will continue to be wrong.
“I’m probably a dope to keep supplying you with more of what feeds you, but all I’m saying is be a man about it and stop crying like a little school girl who just had her pigtails yanked on after her mom just braided them for her when you’ve been thoroughly pwned. Repeatedly.”
Still think I don’t ignore most comic book / movie related threads on this site?
Hypocrite.