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		<title>By: bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-136085</link>
		<dc:creator>bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 17:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, all income must be reported if one has a duty to file, not just amounts over 10k.  Self employed people including consultants must file even if the government owes them or their revenues  are de minimis.

I am not convinced that the taxable income status is so clear.

Since no one took the challenge, here&#039;s a large hint.  Section 61 itemizes various forms of income and generally is regarded as the &quot;fundamental theorem&quot; or &quot;prime directive&quot; of income taxation.  Section 102 defines non-taxable gifts.  Read both and compare. Then read the regs promulgated by the IRS under each.  You got Internet?  Prove Daschle wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, all income must be reported if one has a duty to file, not just amounts over 10k.  Self employed people including consultants must file even if the government owes them or their revenues  are de minimis.</p>
<p>I am not convinced that the taxable income status is so clear.</p>
<p>Since no one took the challenge, here&#8217;s a large hint.  Section 61 itemizes various forms of income and generally is regarded as the &#8220;fundamental theorem&#8221; or &#8220;prime directive&#8221; of income taxation.  Section 102 defines non-taxable gifts.  Read both and compare. Then read the regs promulgated by the IRS under each.  You got Internet?  Prove Daschle wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135870</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 14:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other words, you have no excuse, and don&#039;t hold yourelf to standards that you insist others should have.  Daschle self-policed and paid his tax bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, you have no excuse, and don&#8217;t hold yourelf to standards that you insist others should have.  Daschle self-policed and paid his tax bill.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135862</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Midder, I&#039;ll take the Daschle/Geithner defense -- the statute of limitations has expired on that.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Midder, I&#8217;ll take the Daschle/Geithner defense &#8212; the statute of limitations has expired on that.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135860</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 12:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know JayTea, but let&#039;s see how you operate.  I missed most of the details, but it&#039;s been referenced lately that you ran up some medical bills that you couldn&#039;t pay.  You paid less than the full amount.  So, did you pay the income taxes on the amount you didn&#039;t pay for this windfall?  Now that you know that written off debt settlement money is considered income by the IRS, will you be amending your returns and sending them a check?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know JayTea, but let&#8217;s see how you operate.  I missed most of the details, but it&#8217;s been referenced lately that you ran up some medical bills that you couldn&#8217;t pay.  You paid less than the full amount.  So, did you pay the income taxes on the amount you didn&#8217;t pay for this windfall?  Now that you know that written off debt settlement money is considered income by the IRS, will you be amending your returns and sending them a check?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135842</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 09:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce, I don&#039;t have to be a CPA to know that if someone provides me with a limo and driver for a couple of years, and pays me over 83K in consulting fees, I&#039;d think of that as income, not a &quot;gift.&quot; And again, this non-CPA is fairly confident that taxes valued over $10,000 have to be declared as income. 

But I just use TurboTax to do my taxes online, and -- thanks to Secretary Geithner -- we know how unreliable TurboTax can be...

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce, I don&#8217;t have to be a CPA to know that if someone provides me with a limo and driver for a couple of years, and pays me over 83K in consulting fees, I&#8217;d think of that as income, not a &#8220;gift.&#8221; And again, this non-CPA is fairly confident that taxes valued over $10,000 have to be declared as income. </p>
<p>But I just use TurboTax to do my taxes online, and &#8212; thanks to Secretary Geithner &#8212; we know how unreliable TurboTax can be&#8230;</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135823</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d think after not vetting someone properly ruins your campaign (McCain picking Palin) Obama would have learned his lesson.  But Obama dropped Daschle like a hot potato and we move on.  He even admitted he&#039;d made a mistake.

It&#039;s refreshing that we some someone who holds himself accountable back in charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d think after not vetting someone properly ruins your campaign (McCain picking Palin) Obama would have learned his lesson.  But Obama dropped Daschle like a hot potato and we move on.  He even admitted he&#8217;d made a mistake.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s refreshing that we some someone who holds himself accountable back in charge.</p>
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		<title>By: PD100</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135822</link>
		<dc:creator>PD100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Hey, these are your standards guys. Ashame they didn’t research Daschle the way they did a plumber from Ohio.

Sheer incompetence&lt;/i&gt;

Aren&#039;t you getting tired of pressing the barrel to your temple, Joy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hey, these are your standards guys. Ashame they didn’t research Daschle the way they did a plumber from Ohio.</p>
<p>Sheer incompetence</i></p>
<p>Aren&#8217;t you getting tired of pressing the barrel to your temple, Joy?</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
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		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Daschle didn&#039;t have the balls for this fight he probably doesn&#039;t have what it takes for the health care fight.  Adios.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Daschle didn&#8217;t have the balls for this fight he probably doesn&#8217;t have what it takes for the health care fight.  Adios.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135809</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2009 01:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He didn’t pay his taxes. &lt;/i&gt;
Except that he did.
&lt;i&gt;He was appointed to hold high office. &lt;/i&gt;
Right. Senator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He didn’t pay his taxes. </i><br />
Except that he did.<br />
<i>He was appointed to hold high office. </i><br />
Right. Senator.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know what provision of the IR Code Daschle failed to follow?  Daschle was not involved in tax policy in the Senate to my knowledge (if I am wrong, correct me.)

Sometimes services have to be recognized as income and sometimes they do not.  Obama doesn&#039;t have to recognize the value of his car and driver; they are essentially a mandatory working condition fringe, and exempt from the definition of taxable income.  In addition, gifts of services are sometimes taxable as income and sometimes treated as bona fide gifts.  Daschle re-filed an amended return in accordance with tax law and procedure, and paid the amended balance due with interest and penalties.  The tax payers were not harmed; they made out better than if Daschle had paid on time.

Quick, wingnuts: what section of the U.S. Code provides the definition of income that Daschle violated?  Do you know &quot;your enemy&quot;?  If not start studying, as my tax law professors might have said 15 years ago in law school.  I will hat tip on my blog the conservative commentator who gets the answer right the quickest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know what provision of the IR Code Daschle failed to follow?  Daschle was not involved in tax policy in the Senate to my knowledge (if I am wrong, correct me.)</p>
<p>Sometimes services have to be recognized as income and sometimes they do not.  Obama doesn&#8217;t have to recognize the value of his car and driver; they are essentially a mandatory working condition fringe, and exempt from the definition of taxable income.  In addition, gifts of services are sometimes taxable as income and sometimes treated as bona fide gifts.  Daschle re-filed an amended return in accordance with tax law and procedure, and paid the amended balance due with interest and penalties.  The tax payers were not harmed; they made out better than if Daschle had paid on time.</p>
<p>Quick, wingnuts: what section of the U.S. Code provides the definition of income that Daschle violated?  Do you know &#8220;your enemy&#8221;?  If not start studying, as my tax law professors might have said 15 years ago in law school.  I will hat tip on my blog the conservative commentator who gets the answer right the quickest.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135798</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 23:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done, &#039;pidge. Avoided the obvious and went with irony instead! TFJ!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely done, &#8216;pidge. Avoided the obvious and went with irony instead! TFJ!</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135795</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss something Farris?  Did Daschle try to excuse his tax problem by saying a ruling by a British tax agency overruled the IRS and the US tax code?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I miss something Farris?  Did Daschle try to excuse his tax problem by saying a ruling by a British tax agency overruled the IRS and the US tax code?</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135789</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And if someone isn’t bright enough to pay their taxes, then maybe they shouldn’t be in that office.&lt;/i&gt;

Well good thing he isn&#039;t, now isn&#039;t it?

And I see that jmac doesn&#039;t oppose or have any issue with having gallons of blood on his hands. Good to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And if someone isn’t bright enough to pay their taxes, then maybe they shouldn’t be in that office.</i></p>
<p>Well good thing he isn&#8217;t, now isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>And I see that jmac doesn&#8217;t oppose or have any issue with having gallons of blood on his hands. Good to know.</p>
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		<title>By: j mccann</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135787</link>
		<dc:creator>j mccann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Daschle was more than qualified, though I always feared how much he could stand up to the insurance industry based on his wimpiness as dem leader. Yes, he should have paid but there’s no evidence it was deliberate. President Obama’s vast majority of of appointees have sailed with no problem. Comparisons to the last 8 years of crap are ridiculous&quot;

So I guess he&#039;s another Joe the Plumber. A &quot;non-deliberate tax evader.&quot; Right on. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN! 

Perhaps &quot;Tax Cheat Tommy&quot; should be his nickname. Or TCT for short. 

Hey, these are your standards guys. Ashame they didn&#039;t research Daschle the way they did a plumber from Ohio.

Sheer incompetence. 

...........and the trainwreck rolls on...........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Daschle was more than qualified, though I always feared how much he could stand up to the insurance industry based on his wimpiness as dem leader. Yes, he should have paid but there’s no evidence it was deliberate. President Obama’s vast majority of of appointees have sailed with no problem. Comparisons to the last 8 years of crap are ridiculous&#8221;</p>
<p>So I guess he&#8217;s another Joe the Plumber. A &#8220;non-deliberate tax evader.&#8221; Right on. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN! </p>
<p>Perhaps &#8220;Tax Cheat Tommy&#8221; should be his nickname. Or TCT for short. </p>
<p>Hey, these are your standards guys. Ashame they didn&#8217;t research Daschle the way they did a plumber from Ohio.</p>
<p>Sheer incompetence. </p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..and the trainwreck rolls on&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135780</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Daschle was more than qualified,...&quot;

I thought Obama pledged that no lobbyists would serve in his administration or does that directive have an asterisk by it too?

&quot;Comparisons to the last 8 years of crap are ridiculous.&quot;

Who&#039;s comapring to the last 8 years. It&#039;s the typical culture of corruption of the democrat party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Daschle was more than qualified,&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought Obama pledged that no lobbyists would serve in his administration or does that directive have an asterisk by it too?</p>
<p>&#8220;Comparisons to the last 8 years of crap are ridiculous.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s comapring to the last 8 years. It&#8217;s the typical culture of corruption of the democrat party.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135778</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Save Farris: &lt;i&gt;...when all the evidence pointed to Bush being given bad intel...&lt;/i&gt;

Did you not see any of the numerous stories of how Bush/Cheney &quot;hand-picked&quot; intelligence, disregarded reports that didn&#039;t support what they wanted to hear, and generally refused to listen to intelligence agencies that said its case for war was weak?

Must be nice to have such selective eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Save Farris: <i>&#8230;when all the evidence pointed to Bush being given bad intel&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Did you not see any of the numerous stories of how Bush/Cheney &#8220;hand-picked&#8221; intelligence, disregarded reports that didn&#8217;t support what they wanted to hear, and generally refused to listen to intelligence agencies that said its case for war was weak?</p>
<p>Must be nice to have such selective eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Comparisons to the last 8 years of crap are ridiculous.&lt;/i&gt;

Gads, Oliver, Bambi&#039;s only two weeks in to this so far.  Take the nightmare start of these past two weeks and project out another 206 to the end of his first term, and even the most loyal and starry-eyed Obama supporter has to seriously wonder if he gets the job for the next 208 weeks after that.

My last linky no worky, apologies.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/no-vetting-watch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;No Vetting Watch&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Comparisons to the last 8 years of crap are ridiculous.</i></p>
<p>Gads, Oliver, Bambi&#8217;s only two weeks in to this so far.  Take the nightmare start of these past two weeks and project out another 206 to the end of his first term, and even the most loyal and starry-eyed Obama supporter has to seriously wonder if he gets the job for the next 208 weeks after that.</p>
<p>My last linky no worky, apologies.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/no-vetting-watch/" rel="nofollow">No Vetting Watch</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Comparisons to the last 8 years of crap are ridiculous.&lt;/i&gt;

Gads, Oliver, Bambi&#039;s only two weeks in to this so far.  Take the nightmare start of these past two weeks and project out another 206 to the end of his first term, and even the most loyal and starry-eyed Obama supporter has to seriously wonder if he gets the job for the next 208 weeks after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Comparisons to the last 8 years of crap are ridiculous.</i></p>
<p>Gads, Oliver, Bambi&#8217;s only two weeks in to this so far.  Take the nightmare start of these past two weeks and project out another 206 to the end of his first term, and even the most loyal and starry-eyed Obama supporter has to seriously wonder if he gets the job for the next 208 weeks after that.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/02/03/daschle-out/#comment-135775</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If we’re going to hold Bush responsible for the failures of British intelligence, then the least we can do is ask Daschle to be responsible for doing his taxes correctly the first time&lt;/em&gt;

Wait. Let&#039;s give him a do-over.

Farris, is that really the comparison you want to go with? Because, you know, there is an important difference you might want to consider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If we’re going to hold Bush responsible for the failures of British intelligence, then the least we can do is ask Daschle to be responsible for doing his taxes correctly the first time</em></p>
<p>Wait. Let&#8217;s give him a do-over.</p>
<p>Farris, is that really the comparison you want to go with? Because, you know, there is an important difference you might want to consider.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 22:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Listening to the faithful here hem and haw &lt;/em&gt;

I never hem.

Haw!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Listening to the faithful here hem and haw </em></p>
<p>I never hem.</p>
<p>Haw!</p>
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