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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-135126</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 22:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You would think that the most eloquent President in the history of the world could have crafted a reply that essentially boiled down to an artful and diplomatic “No”.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, I think he did that. It&#039;s called nuance. The last guy who had his job didn&#039;t do that particularly well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You would think that the most eloquent President in the history of the world could have crafted a reply that essentially boiled down to an artful and diplomatic “No”.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, I think he did that. It&#8217;s called nuance. The last guy who had his job didn&#8217;t do that particularly well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in SoCal</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-135077</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in SoCal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 15:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bryan,

I am very familiar with the Arab approach to negotiations, having visited Saudi Arabia at least a dozen times over the past 8 years for sales campaigns and meetings to resolve customer concerns.  You are 100% correct, they will circle around an issue for quite a while before finally addressing it.  They are extremely hospitable and will go out of their way to make you comfortable.  When negotiating, they often make outrageous demands or threaten drastic action up front, but after going back and forth for a while and circling around they come back to a more reasonable position and then you can start the real discussions.  That&#039;s what I was talking about with my comment to mylegacy above where I mentioned that the other side isn&#039;t using the same negotiator handbook as he is.  

The negotiating approach used in the West does not necessarily work in the Arab (or Persian) world, and expecting the other side to follow the same rulebook you&#039;re using is a mistake.

So mylegacy&#039;s comment above about his 25 years experience negotiating (within the West, I assume) and thinking Obama&#039;s statements were perfect doesn&#039;t mean that in this particular negotiation, with this particular country, they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bryan,</p>
<p>I am very familiar with the Arab approach to negotiations, having visited Saudi Arabia at least a dozen times over the past 8 years for sales campaigns and meetings to resolve customer concerns.  You are 100% correct, they will circle around an issue for quite a while before finally addressing it.  They are extremely hospitable and will go out of their way to make you comfortable.  When negotiating, they often make outrageous demands or threaten drastic action up front, but after going back and forth for a while and circling around they come back to a more reasonable position and then you can start the real discussions.  That&#8217;s what I was talking about with my comment to mylegacy above where I mentioned that the other side isn&#8217;t using the same negotiator handbook as he is.  </p>
<p>The negotiating approach used in the West does not necessarily work in the Arab (or Persian) world, and expecting the other side to follow the same rulebook you&#8217;re using is a mistake.</p>
<p>So mylegacy&#8217;s comment above about his 25 years experience negotiating (within the West, I assume) and thinking Obama&#8217;s statements were perfect doesn&#8217;t mean that in this particular negotiation, with this particular country, they were.</p>
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		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134981</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 00:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, all of the arabs I have ever negotiated with (amongst others), love to haggle and talk around the matter at hand. You won&#039;t get the good carpets, for example, if you try to be in and out of the shop. You sit down, have coffee, find common ground (a fair knowledge of what you call &#039;soccer&#039; is scarily useful in most places!), and then you come around to business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, all of the arabs I have ever negotiated with (amongst others), love to haggle and talk around the matter at hand. You won&#8217;t get the good carpets, for example, if you try to be in and out of the shop. You sit down, have coffee, find common ground (a fair knowledge of what you call &#8216;soccer&#8217; is scarily useful in most places!), and then you come around to business.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in SoCal</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134934</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in SoCal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If he had simply said “No,” it would be a pretty shitty interview now, wouldn’t it?&lt;/i&gt;.

You would think that the most eloquent President in the history of the world could have crafted a reply that essentially boiled down to an artful and diplomatic &quot;No&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If he had simply said “No,” it would be a pretty shitty interview now, wouldn’t it?</i>.</p>
<p>You would think that the most eloquent President in the history of the world could have crafted a reply that essentially boiled down to an artful and diplomatic &#8220;No&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134883</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m sure those 60 years of ‘crimes’ can all be attributed to Bush in some way.
&lt;/i&gt;

No, they start with Eisenhower and go from there.


&lt;i&gt;Notice that his somewhat rambling response in no way said anything resembling or even close to “No” to the question of Iran possessing nukes.&lt;/i&gt;

If he had simply said &quot;No,&quot; it would be a pretty shitty interview now, wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m sure those 60 years of ‘crimes’ can all be attributed to Bush in some way.<br />
</i></p>
<p>No, they start with Eisenhower and go from there.</p>
<p><i>Notice that his somewhat rambling response in no way said anything resembling or even close to “No” to the question of Iran possessing nukes.</i></p>
<p>If he had simply said &#8220;No,&#8221; it would be a pretty shitty interview now, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in SoCal</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134875</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in SoCal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 17:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As an experienced negotiator with over 25 years experience I thought his comments were an ABSOLUTELY PERFECT opening statement. &lt;/i&gt;

Looks like the other side in this particular negotiation isn&#039;t using the same negotiator handbook:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4370711/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-Barack-Obama-should-apologise-for-60-years-of-crimes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Barack Obama should apologise for 60 years of &#039;crimes&#039;&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;m sure those 60 years of &#039;crimes&#039; can all be attributed to Bush in some way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As an experienced negotiator with over 25 years experience I thought his comments were an ABSOLUTELY PERFECT opening statement. </i></p>
<p>Looks like the other side in this particular negotiation isn&#8217;t using the same negotiator handbook:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4370711/Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-Barack-Obama-should-apologise-for-60-years-of-crimes.html" rel="nofollow">Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: Barack Obama should apologise for 60 years of &#8216;crimes&#8217;</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure those 60 years of &#8216;crimes&#8217; can all be attributed to Bush in some way.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in SoCal</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134861</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in SoCal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I hope Obama understands that nothing he does will ever please tunnel visions Repubs so he should just ignore you all and go with his instincts.&lt;/i&gt;

I think that President &quot;I Won&quot; Obama has clearly demonstrated that he cares little about pleasing Republicans, so I fully expect him to continue ignoring them.

And he did go with his instinct:  On a tough question, he declined to answer.  

&lt;i&gt;If you tell Iran publicly that they absolutely cannot build a nuke, then short of bombing them every six months nothing you can do will stop them.&lt;/i&gt;

I doubt that your &quot;can&#039;t win, don&#039;t try&quot; approach is a winning one.  At least not by an administration that wants to go beyond one term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I hope Obama understands that nothing he does will ever please tunnel visions Repubs so he should just ignore you all and go with his instincts.</i></p>
<p>I think that President &#8220;I Won&#8221; Obama has clearly demonstrated that he cares little about pleasing Republicans, so I fully expect him to continue ignoring them.</p>
<p>And he did go with his instinct:  On a tough question, he declined to answer.  </p>
<p><i>If you tell Iran publicly that they absolutely cannot build a nuke, then short of bombing them every six months nothing you can do will stop them.</i></p>
<p>I doubt that your &#8220;can&#8217;t win, don&#8217;t try&#8221; approach is a winning one.  At least not by an administration that wants to go beyond one term.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in SoCal</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134858</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in SoCal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mylegacy:

&quot;Words matter&quot;.  Lack of words matter as well.  Sometimes what you don&#039;t say is just as important as wht you say.  Obama&#039;s failure to answer a direct and straightforward question like this says a lot to the people involved.

As noted &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/iran-relations-grown-ups-back-in-charge/#comment-134532&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, our host seems to think that Bush&#039;s supposed silence (ignoring for a moment the UN Security Council resolutions and sanctions that he, in reality, pushed for) only encouraged Iran to continue their nuclear program.  Won&#039;t Obama&#039;s non-response to that question do the same?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mylegacy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Words matter&#8221;.  Lack of words matter as well.  Sometimes what you don&#8217;t say is just as important as wht you say.  Obama&#8217;s failure to answer a direct and straightforward question like this says a lot to the people involved.</p>
<p>As noted <a href="http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/iran-relations-grown-ups-back-in-charge/#comment-134532" rel="nofollow">here</a>, our host seems to think that Bush&#8217;s supposed silence (ignoring for a moment the UN Security Council resolutions and sanctions that he, in reality, pushed for) only encouraged Iran to continue their nuclear program.  Won&#8217;t Obama&#8217;s non-response to that question do the same?</p>
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		<title>By: moreandbrighterlight</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134802</link>
		<dc:creator>moreandbrighterlight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 05:37:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Dave in Socal. Sigh. I hope Obama understands that nothing he does will ever please tunnel visions Repubs so he should just ignore you all and go with his instincts. The interview was pretty much brilliant from top to bottom. He said something which most Repubs will never understand, &quot;words matter&quot;. You would think after all the stupid bluster of the past eight years and the election people would get a hint. You catch more flies with honey than with neocon bravado. If you tell Iran publicly that they absolutely cannot build a nuke, then short of bombing them every six months nothing you can do will stop them. You have to make it look in public that they came to the decision themselves, you know, like a sovereign country and all. 

BTW, as I understand it, he chose Al Arabiya as opposed to Al Jazeera because it is viewed as a more moderate network, even though Al Jazeera has a much bigger audience. Kinda like going to CNN instead of the kooks at Fox even though Fox supposedly has bigger audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Dave in Socal. Sigh. I hope Obama understands that nothing he does will ever please tunnel visions Repubs so he should just ignore you all and go with his instincts. The interview was pretty much brilliant from top to bottom. He said something which most Repubs will never understand, &#8220;words matter&#8221;. You would think after all the stupid bluster of the past eight years and the election people would get a hint. You catch more flies with honey than with neocon bravado. If you tell Iran publicly that they absolutely cannot build a nuke, then short of bombing them every six months nothing you can do will stop them. You have to make it look in public that they came to the decision themselves, you know, like a sovereign country and all. </p>
<p>BTW, as I understand it, he chose Al Arabiya as opposed to Al Jazeera because it is viewed as a more moderate network, even though Al Jazeera has a much bigger audience. Kinda like going to CNN instead of the kooks at Fox even though Fox supposedly has bigger audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Mylegacy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134798</link>
		<dc:creator>Mylegacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 04:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave in SoCal...

Obama&#039;s answer FAR from being &quot;Present&quot; on the issue is a brilliant response. When you are going into negotiations with people that don&#039;t trust you an important first step is to establish common ground and show respect. As Obama has said, &quot;Words matter.&quot;

As an experienced negotiator with over 25 years experience I thought his comments were an ABSOLUTELY PERFECT opening statement. 

Bravo Obama!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave in SoCal&#8230;</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s answer FAR from being &#8220;Present&#8221; on the issue is a brilliant response. When you are going into negotiations with people that don&#8217;t trust you an important first step is to establish common ground and show respect. As Obama has said, &#8220;Words matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>As an experienced negotiator with over 25 years experience I thought his comments were an ABSOLUTELY PERFECT opening statement. </p>
<p>Bravo Obama!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave in SoCal</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134724</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave in SoCal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 20:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you paid close attention to his statements when the subject of Iranian nukes came up (you have to look at the full text transcript):

&lt;blockquote&gt;Q: &lt;b&gt;Will the United States ever live with a nuclear Iran?&lt;/b&gt; And if not, how far are you going in the direction of preventing it?

THE PRESIDENT: You know, I said during the campaign that it is very important for us to make sure that we are using all the tools of U.S. power, including diplomacy, in our relationship with Iran.

Now, the Iranian people are a great people, and Persian civilization is a great civilization. Iran has acted in ways that&#039;s not conducive to peace and prosperity in the region: their threats against Israel; their pursuit of a nuclear weapon which could potentially set off an arms race in the region that would make everybody less safe; their support of terrorist organizations in the past -- none of these things have been helpful.

But I do think that it is important for us to be willing to talk to Iran, to express very clearly where our differences are, but where there are potential avenues for progress. And we will over the next several months be laying out our general framework and approach. And as I said during my inauguration speech, if countries like Iran are willing to unclench their fist, they will find an extended hand from us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Notice that his somewhat rambling response in no way said anything resembling or even close to &quot;No&quot; to the question of Iran possessing nukes.  At best, he waggled his finger reproachfully at Iran and accused them of being &quot;not helpful&quot;.

President Obama votes &quot;Present&quot; on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you paid close attention to his statements when the subject of Iranian nukes came up (you have to look at the full text transcript):</p>
<blockquote><p>Q: <b>Will the United States ever live with a nuclear Iran?</b> And if not, how far are you going in the direction of preventing it?</p>
<p>THE PRESIDENT: You know, I said during the campaign that it is very important for us to make sure that we are using all the tools of U.S. power, including diplomacy, in our relationship with Iran.</p>
<p>Now, the Iranian people are a great people, and Persian civilization is a great civilization. Iran has acted in ways that&#8217;s not conducive to peace and prosperity in the region: their threats against Israel; their pursuit of a nuclear weapon which could potentially set off an arms race in the region that would make everybody less safe; their support of terrorist organizations in the past &#8212; none of these things have been helpful.</p>
<p>But I do think that it is important for us to be willing to talk to Iran, to express very clearly where our differences are, but where there are potential avenues for progress. And we will over the next several months be laying out our general framework and approach. And as I said during my inauguration speech, if countries like Iran are willing to unclench their fist, they will find an extended hand from us.</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice that his somewhat rambling response in no way said anything resembling or even close to &#8220;No&#8221; to the question of Iran possessing nukes.  At best, he waggled his finger reproachfully at Iran and accused them of being &#8220;not helpful&#8221;.</p>
<p>President Obama votes &#8220;Present&#8221; on the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 19:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, nothing from the Lollipop Guild yet? I&#039;m surprised.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, nothing from the Lollipop Guild yet? I&#8217;m surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134638</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 14:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nothing may come of this Administration’s outreach&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, I don&#039;t know about that. Glen Beck may just have an anuerism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nothing may come of this Administration’s outreach</i></p>
<p>Oh, I don&#8217;t know about that. Glen Beck may just have an anuerism.</p>
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		<title>By: Mylegacy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/26/our-new-face-to-the-world/#comment-134612</link>
		<dc:creator>Mylegacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 07:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is clear that Obama knows that this is a nuanced world and - wonder of wonders - he understands it.

Nothing may come of this Administration&#039;s outreach - BUT - I strongly suspect that Barack Hussein Obama is a breath of fresh air - a breath that the world had come to fear would never come. He is the man for the time. Let all of us; Christian, Jew, Muslin, Atheist and all others that wish our children better educated, safer and healthier to rally to this call for reason. Lets isolate the harbingers of hate on all sides and give peace a chance - we have nothing to lose - much to gain.

I believe Iran has its next election in June 2009. If that&#039;s right, now is the time for ordinary Iranians to send a message of hope to the Mullahs - a message of peace, a message that say&#039;s &quot;Yes we can.&quot;

A message they dare not ignore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is clear that Obama knows that this is a nuanced world and &#8211; wonder of wonders &#8211; he understands it.</p>
<p>Nothing may come of this Administration&#8217;s outreach &#8211; BUT &#8211; I strongly suspect that Barack Hussein Obama is a breath of fresh air &#8211; a breath that the world had come to fear would never come. He is the man for the time. Let all of us; Christian, Jew, Muslin, Atheist and all others that wish our children better educated, safer and healthier to rally to this call for reason. Lets isolate the harbingers of hate on all sides and give peace a chance &#8211; we have nothing to lose &#8211; much to gain.</p>
<p>I believe Iran has its next election in June 2009. If that&#8217;s right, now is the time for ordinary Iranians to send a message of hope to the Mullahs &#8211; a message of peace, a message that say&#8217;s &#8220;Yes we can.&#8221;</p>
<p>A message they dare not ignore.</p>
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