Where the fuck have YOU been for the last year? Ayers. Wright. Rezko. ACORN. There have been plenty of stories about Obama’s associations. They tended to be full of false info and right-wing spin, but there were certainly there. But revisionary historian you are, of course all you’d clami there were were the “Hope and Change”.

guynamedjoe: However, when I hear people crying about how people are attacking them personally, when all that was done was a disagreement with said person’s opinion, I would say the problem is with you rather than the person who disagreed with you.

When someone responds to an opinion my insulting the speaker it shows that they don’t have a counter-argument. That’s why they need to change the subject. Coulter’s “Markos has a funny accent so we don’t need to pay attention to his opinion” is a prime example of this”. And it does make things personal in a way that the original statement of an opinion does not.

But, if you’d prefer, we can do things your way:
joe”, I disagree with your opinion. But you’re a stupid jerk who clearly has problems understanding basic facts but not much more could be expected from a retarded ignoramus like you.

There. If you’ve taken any offense at my insults then clearly “the problem is with you”.

But they couldn’t do the same to Bush? Why not?

Besides, Jay makes an absolutely lovely pinata.

But that’s Republicans for you — people who don’t care about the rule of law, even as it applies to their own fellow citizens.

And he’s by far the only case.

And really, you defend Bush and the Republican party’s addiction to massive Federal spending by saying “ZOMG GORE WUD HAVE 2″? You realize this is why nobody takes your party seriously any longer, correct? Republicans don’t have any principles — they make government bigger and more expensive, and they want to invade your personal life.

Welcome to the collapse of their party.

You do realize, don’t you, that one can disagree with a person’s opinion by “attacking them personally?”

“No investigative reports on where Obama came from…”

Just like there were “no investigative reports” on where McCain “came from” (whatever that means, anyway).

“What we got is a front page story about an alleged affair about McCain…”

That story was not about “an alleged affair about McCain,” despite the continued whining of conservatives like you that it was.

“Personally, I’d like the government to have as little influence on my life as possible.”

Interesting choice of words with “my life” instead of “peoples’ lives.” You sound like an egocentric little twit.

So you made a mistake, and you are blaming Oliver for it.

Simply amazing.

Oh, and for the record. For all of your attacks on Kos, he’s a better blogger than you in every way imaginable. He’s smarter than you, he’s politically more powerful, and he has more readers than you could even dream about.

Face it, you are a jealous loser. Loser being the key word.

Somewhere on a another thread here I posted some stats on the size of the Federal budget during each presidential term o f the last 40 years or so. I can’t recall the specifics off the top of my head, but the basic truth was clear: By several different measures the budget and deficits grow far more under Republican Presidents than Democratic ones.

I’ve no doubt that if you listed the accomplishments of presidents without revealing the names and asked Republicans which presidents they liked best, they’d find themselves selecting the Democrats.

The credit he gives the Clinton administration belongs to the Republican congress that forced those measures down Clinton’s throat.

Likewise his views on intrusiveness are quite selective. The Democrats have been solidly against the 2nd amendment for as long as I can remember. Gutting the 14th amendment has long been a plank of the Democrat party. Clinton’s watch made a mockery of the 4th amendment with deadly results.

Likewise Jaim’s championing of Hamdi is quite telling. His Constitutional rights would have relevence if he had been caught in the U.S. committing a crime but that is not the case. An enemy combatent captured in Afghanistan, a terrorist traitor. Execution in the field would have been an appropriate and legal way to deal with that man. Instead he is the poster child for Jaim of how Bush tramples the Constitution.

I couldn’t agree more. And that’s why I vote Democrat. I’m 34 years old. In my adult lifetime, there’s only been one president who managed to reign in Federal spending (especially with Welfare reform) and balance the budget, not to mention creating millions of new, middle-class and upper middle-class jobs (under Bush II, job growth was concentrated to service sector positions, i.e., eight bucks an hour with no benefits).

So here’s the thing — your unspoken assumption is that Republicans are the party of less government. But how is this the case for people my age? Under Bush II, the Federal government ballooned in size and expense, even if you take out military spending (which is certainly not a small amount). Sorry, but you don’t get to make the assumption any longer that Republicans are, by definition, for small government. The last eight years, and especially 2001-2006, demonstrate that the only thing worse than “tax and spend” Democrats are “create crippling deficits and spend” Republicans.

As for government intrusiveness, the Bush regime has done its damndest to limit our Constitutional rights, particularly the first and fourth amendments. An American citizen (Hamdi) has been denied his basic Constitutional rights to a fair trial. Bush’s lawyers have made it clear that they will not follow the law when it comes to getting permission to wire-tap American citizens.

So, small, less expensive government? Obviously, you should be voting Democrat. I hope you’ll consider doing so.

But yeah, wrong on most everything.

I’m sure the next time he stubs his toe it will be my fault too for my dishonest linking policy or whatev.

P.S. Jay once insinuated that I disappeared a comment because I disagreed with it. Unless it contains an unwarranted personal attack or just cut and pastes talking points/entire articles, this doesn’t happen.

I don’t share the feelings of those here who think Jay Tea represents some kind of reasonable, center-right voice whose come a little off the tracks since the election.

All that’s happened, as August points out, is that his idiot screeds are getting stupider and coming faster across a wider array of subject threads. I tremble at the thought of speculating on why.

I don’t think Jay Tea should be banned or “voted off the island,” as it were because the dude would only claim it as a badge of honor. This is a guy, after all, who is adept at both appeals to pity and massive self-deception.

But even beyond that, it really should be up to Jay Tea himself, whether he wants to keep coming back here to make an utter fool of himself.

Every time the guy is proven wrong and humiliated, he always choses to return. I would admire that if, on each new approach, he had shown a little improvement, displayed some sense of learning. But he never does. I find this fascinating.

The guy has been utterly schooled on facts and analysis across the board all week long and what does he do on Friday? Does he resolve to check his facts before hitting submit next time? Does he take some time to actually think through the logic and consequences of his arguments? No. Of course not.

He doubles down on the stupid with a tirade against Oliver, Kos, Dems and others all in defense of Ann Coulter without even knowing what it is, exactly, Coulter even said. In deciding not to click the link to see what Coulter had actually said, Jay Tea choose to remain ignorant of the basic facts before reaching a conclusion about Oliver’s post and arguing for it.

What kind of a person does that? I know that if I’m going to call someone a huge douche, I make sure I have my facts straight first.

Jay Tea, not so much. Screed first, fact check later.

For anyone who thinks Jay Tea deserves credit for “correcting himself” and “apologizing” I have no idea which of his comments you read, but I read the one that included this:

I knew Oliver is not a completely reliable source, that he often omits details and skips inconvenient elements, and I still took him at his word that the most offensive part of what Coulter said was that Kos had an accent — NOT that it was part and parcel of a larger, even more appalling tirade.

Gimme a freaking break. As Enlightened Liberal responded:

Shorter JT: I’m too lazy to read the link, and that’s Oliver’s fault.

So when I say I’d like Jay tea to just go away, I mean it. But he needs to realize why on his own. I don’t know how many drubbings it’s going to take before he understands that he needs to seriously rethink his whole approach, if not his life entirely, but I think i see a sign of progress.

Whether Jay Tea admitted defeat or admitted error doesn’t matter. The most interesting point was when Jay Tea admitted he was embarrassed. I thought that by this time, the guy was beyond embarrassment.

Maybe Jay Tea has taken his first step on the path to recovery. I guess we’ll see.

I, for one, would really like it if there was someone from the right commenting here who making reasonably valid points supporting their view*. I value someone who disagrees with me and makes me think enough about my views that I have to adequately defend them or reconsider them. Given many from the right who have commented here, JT has actually been closest to that at times. And is the only one of them I’ve ever seen actually say he’d gotten something wrong (and far better than he has on this thread).

But lately he’s slipped a lot. I think the several who have noted JT seems to be losing it more the closer we get to President Obama are onto something.

* Too many folks, from both sides, seem incapable of ever criticizing someone on their own side “of the aisle” or praising someone on the other.

Should we demand that Jay go far, far away and never soil our comment board again?

Yes, or no?

I call bullshit.

An admission of error would be something like “Yeah, she was wrong when she said that and I was mistaken to defend it.”

What you did was a rambling, “look, over there!”, self-contradictory attempt to distance yourself from Coulter and her ilk while praising them as better that those on the left.

Jay Tea, 7:23: Coulter was flat-out wrong and did a despicable, loathsome thing here

Anybody else getting whiplash?

I’m not surprised that you’d call it a “lie,” though. That’s part and parcel of your political methodology — any statement that turns out to be less than 100% accurate is a “lie,”

Geez, do you ever get tired of making excuses for the right? She said he has an accent and is unintelligible. He doesn’t and he isn’t.

But rather than be a reasonable adult and admit “Yeah, she got that wrong.” you are compelled to declare that when someone on the right says something that isn’t true they are merely “technically inaccurate” and then try to change the subject by complaining about the left.

Shorter JT: My side is never, ever wrong in anything they say. Oh, and look over there!

I’m sure Obama’s a nice guy personally, but, I watched my country get sold a bill of goods by a media that seems to be totally in the pocket of the Democratic Party as well as the left-wing of this country. Where is the attitude from our journalists that their job is to report the news, not embellish it with their personal bias?

No investigative reports on where Obama came from and what his associations past and present might mean to our country, just bromides and rhetoric about “Hope and Change”.

What we get is a front page story about an alleged affair about McCain, Please.

Opinions are like rectums, everyone has them. However, when I hear people crying about how people are attacking them personally, when all that was done was a disagreement with said person’s opinion, I would say the problem is with you rather than the person who disagreed with you.

Our country is in trouble right now, in my opinion, because of a mentality that says your troubles are all caused by other people, that you’re not responsible for your own actions and all you need is to elect people who will use the government to take care of you.

Nah, I don’t buy that and I’m sorry for you if you do.

Personally, I’d like the government to have as little influence on my life as possible.

BTW I am a Marine Corps veteran,0331 m-60 machinegunne 83-87, I wasn’t a REMF like Markos

In apologizing for being a complete douche — AGAIN! — you still try to spread the blame around.

Seriously. Just go the fuck away.

Just go the fuck away.