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Joseph R. Biden on returning honor and dignity to the Office Of The Vice President.
“The proof of the pudding is in the eating,” Mr. Biden said in an interview Wednesday. “The Bush-Cheney relationship hasn’t tasted very good. Not a single person you can name for me” — at this point, he leaned forward in his chair, jabbed his finger in the air and punctuated his words sharply. “Look at me, now — a single one can tell you that the pudding has tasted good. Not one. Name me one serious person, liberal, conservative, Democrat, Republican.”
Mr. Biden’s sharp assessment of his predecessor contrasted with the generally polite tone he and President-elect Barack Obama have tried to take since the Nov. 4 election. But Mr. Biden seemed exercised at the suggestion that he would not be as effective because he would not wield the influence Mr. Cheney had.
“The only value of power is the effect, the efficacy of its use,” Mr. Biden said. “And all the power Cheney had did not result in effective outcomes.”
No malarkey, baby.
Hey Joe! I wonder how the pudding tastes to these guys?
A son and a brother of Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) are accused in two lawsuits of defrauding a former business partner and an investor of millions of dollars in a hedge fund deal that went sour, court records show.
The Democratic vice presidential candidate’s son Hunter, 38, and brother James, 59, assert instead that their former partner defrauded them by misrepresenting his experience in the hedge fund industry and recommending that they hire a lawyer with felony convictions.
The legal actions have been playing out in New York State Supreme Court since 2007, and they focus on Hunter and James Biden’s involvement in Paradigm Companies LLC, a hedge fund group. Hunter Biden, a Washington lobbyist, briefly served as president of the firm.
We are badgered with the petty doings of the Palin family, yet about the Biden fellas we hear nothing. I’M SHOCKED!
Looks like Biden’s advocating a return to Clintonism where the guiding principle of the Executive Branch isn’t “what’s best for the country”. Instead, it’s “what’s best for my Q rating”. Of all the many things Dick Cheney could be accused of (especially around these parts), I don’t think anyone’s arguing that he chose his actions based on what whould make him more likeable. He did what he did because *he* thought that’s what would be best for the country. (Whether *YOU* agree they were the best choice is a different argument.)
Biden is saying that given the choice between what’s best and what’s popular, he’s going to choose what’s popular. And that, my friends, is not leadership.
Looks like Biden’s advocating a return to Clintonism where the guiding principle of the Executive Branch isn’t “what’s best for the country”.
Yeah, I’m really pissed a decade of peace and prosperity might be coming back too.
Interesting contrast, Biden and honor. Almost like Ted Kennedy and sober.
Giggle…. if the lame one-liners in this thread and the glorious right-wing batshittiness in the Cheney thread are any indication, this is going to be the best four years ever.
Or Amused Observer and coherent…
Notice nobody actually stands up and defends the job Cheney did (and, no, Farris, claiming that Cheney was inspired by principal is not a defense, more like an alibi). Instead, we have recycled one-liners about Kennedy and Clinton.
Bravo to Biden for pudding his money where his mouth is.
And, yes, Guy with a Website: Best. Four. Years. Ever.
Oh, Joey. May he keep his foot out of his mouth and up the Republicans’ ass for the next four years.
A.
Wonder if he’ll get as much flack for this as Hillary did for her unfortunate remarks.
Cheney & Bush came in to office wanting to make the richest .1% even richer and they were certainly effective at that.
The Yogi Berra of politics. Simultaneously brings the awesome and the funny.
He did what he did because *he* thought that’s what would be best for the party.
Fixd.
Maybe Cheney made a blood pudding. Some people love that stuff, you know.
Anyone who says the last 8 years were great, really need to have their head examined.
Pudding? He’s talking about pudding?
Haw!
I think Quaker’s right: had McCain made an analogy to pudding, the “he’s so old…” jokes would have blanketed the sky like Shock and Awe.
Did anybody else imagine Joe Biden as the Tick carrying on about pudding?
Interesting contrast, Biden and honor. Almost like Ted Kennedy and sober.
Or Young Republicans and enlisting.
Or Young Republicans and enlisting.
Or “Compassionate” and “Conservatism”.
My wife and I predicted long, long ago that Biden would be Obama’s pick for VP. Reason? His long experience in Congress will be invaluable for a relative outsider. Biden will be able to show him the legislative ropes.
That doesn’t mean I have to believe Biden isn’t a big goober. Pudding!
Or “Uniter” and “Divider”.
Joe Biden: It’s irrelevant what the outside world perceives. What is relevant is whether or not I’m value added.
SaveFarris: Biden is saying that given the choice between what’s best and what’s popular, he’s going to choose what’s popular.
Given Farris’ apparent “he said up which means down” comprehension skills, when I tell him he’s an idiot no doubt he’ll see it as high praise.
SaveFarris: Biden is saying that given the choice between what’s best and what’s popular, he’s going to choose what’s popular.
Oddly, The Cheney Administration consistently makes decisions which are both unpopular and bad. Heckofajob President Cheney et al. Thanks chickenhawks!
No malarkey?
“I’m the most experienced vice president since anybody.”
Yeah, screw those Adams & Jefferson characters. I’m the most experienced evah!
Yeah, screw those Adams & Jefferson characters. I’m the most experienced evah!
Did either of those other guys have 28 years in Congress before they became VP?
“Did either of those other guys have 28 years in Congress before they became VP?”
As if 28 years in congress doing nothing but sucking off the government teat is a qualification.
“As if 28 years in congress doing nothing but sucking off the government teat is a qualification.”
Glad to hear that you feel that way about the troops. Why do you hate America so much?
As if 28 years in congress doing nothing but sucking off the government teat is a qualification.
The question was “experience” not “qualification.” Please put those goalposts right back where you found them.
william: As if 28 years in congress doing nothing but sucking off the government teat is a qualification.
Just out of curiosity, during the election did you ever complain that Obama lacked qualifications because he hadn’t served even one full term in the Senate?
william: As if 28 years in congress doing nothing but sucking off the government teat is a qualification.
Like that lazy bum John McCain.
william: “As if 28 years in congress doing nothing but sucking off the government teat is a qualification.”
Welcome to permanent minority status.
If this is the best the Republicans can come up with, they will never regain national party status.
James H: “Did anybody else imagine Joe Biden as the Tick carrying on about pudding?”
Now that you bring it up…
css: Welcome to permanent minority status.
I suspect that’s got exactly as much chance as coming true as a “permanent Republican majority”.
The “farking idiot and racist” is “restoring honor and dignity to the Office Of The Vice President”?
Confusing, to say the least.
Almost as confusing as “Joe the Plumber” and Taxes being a big issue, but Timothy Geithner the nominee for Treasury Secretary and Taxes… not so much.
css: “Welcome to permanent minority status.”
Sean D. Martin: “I suspect that’s got exactly as much chance as coming true as a ‘permanent Republican majority’.”
If they don’t change, they will never win another nation election again. The demographics have turned against them to the point where they can’t win as they currently are.
If I recall correctly, the turning point state in 2008 was Virginia and the Democrats won Virginia by 8 points.
SaveFarris, Jan 15th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Wonder if he’ll get as much flack for this as Hillary did for her unfortunate remarks.
Wonder if Cheney will ever get as much flack for anything he’s said or done over the last eight years.
Wonder if Putsch will ever get as much flack for anything he’s said or done over the last eight years.
Wonder if Senator Intertubes will ever get as much flack for anything he’s said or done over the last eight years.
Wonder if the conservative media and the Rabid Republican’t talk radio gang will ever get as much flack for anything they’ve said or done over the last eight years.
william, Jan 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
As if 28 years in congress doing nothing but sucking off the government teat is a qualification
Maybe you can ask Senator Intertubes about that one. Or Cunningham or Abramoff or the rest of the cast of thousands of Republican’ts that have been raping the treasury for the past eight years. Funny how they can lose billions in Iraq, trillions of government money “floating loans” to their banker friends, and no one can even ask them about it. But, the $350 billion that Obama might get a chance to oversee and audit – well, hey, we have to audit that six ways to Sunday before the man’s even president! Nice set of hypocritical standards (or lack thereof) you gots there…
One can hope for a restoration of the rule of law and/or even slightly trying to get to the truth of the Republican’t cabals crimes during that time. One would probably be foolish to expect anything approaching justice when, even now, tired old ditto monkey gibberish and the same old deflect and smear is still all the Republican’ts got.
Until then: elections count. You lost. Get over it and stop trying to throw even more monkey wrenches into the process now that many of the sheeple have finally noticed how badly you’ve Cheneyed things up.
You sound like the fools who want to fight in a burning house.
Nice speech by the VP-elect, just wonder if he made it up himself. Either way, it’ll be fun to see how the Obama-media deals with the Gaffe-master for the next 4 years, cause you just know ‘ol Joe’s gonna give the Right plenty to play with.
CSS: If they don’t change, they will never win another nation election again. The demographics have turned against them to the point where they can’t win as they currently are.
Well, sure. They can’t win as they are and indeed they didn’t.
But things don’t ever stay as they are. The pendulum swings. Things get better and folks get complacent. Thinking things are “permanent” speeds the approach of a tipping point of complacency.
And then the Repugs find something to scare people with and the Dems remember they don’t have a spine so don’t fight back. Best we can hope for is that it takes as long as possible to get there.
Geithner is such an effective red herring, isn’t he? I know he’ll be a favorite. After all, consider the facts:
Th IRS found that he’d omitted to pay self-employment tax. This is a mistake that he and his professional tax preparer should not have made. He paid the back taxes promptly.
The reason he owed self-employment taxes was, of course, that he was not self-employed but worked for an international organization that ran under one of those weird tax-law self-contradictions that the Right loves to complain about since after all it has to get something right once in a while. The IRS saw this failure as something so dangerous and malicious that it charged him no penalties. You try missing something you should have paid and not getting hit with a penalty.
And that was the end of it, almost. The enforcers didn’t notice anything else wrong until the case was examined by somebody really sharp: Obama’s vetting crew. Good luck catching this bunch out with some Palin-esque surprise.
So, when they pointed this one out, he paid up promptly.
Yes, he is utterly unqualified to serve in high office in a Republican administration: he admits mistakes and corrects them.
(Not to say there are no valid grounds for doubt about Geithner. But trust the Republicans not to get involved with those.)
Porlock, interesting interpretation on Obama’s vetting crew. I guess they were so busy with Geithner that they missed Geithner’s illegal alien employee… the Bill Richardson investigation… or Eric Holder’s role in Clinton’s pardons… or Hillary Clinton doing big favors for Bill’s big donors…
I guess that tax situation was really that complex, if it monopolized their attention that much.
J.
Tom, how long after 2000 or 2004 did YOU wait before going after Bush? After all, YOU lost those elections.
This is just an embodiment of the principle we’ve had beaten over our heads for the past eight years: “dissent is the highest form of patriotism.”
J.
Tom, how long after 2000 or 2004 did YOU wait before going after Bush? After all, YOU lost those elections.
I waited until I could confirm that George Bush, Junior was an incompetent, mean spirited boob in way over his head and surrounded by Machiavellian shitheads. So pretty soon.
I waited until I could confirm that George Bush, Junior was an incompetent, mean spirited boob in way over his head and surrounded by Machiavellian shitheads. So pretty soon.
Me too. But I could see that before he was installed (against the wishes if the american people) in 2000.
Jay Tea, Jan 16th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Tom, how long after 2000 or 2004 did YOU wait before going after Bush? After all, YOU lost those elections.
Probably significantly longer than you and your ilk waited until going after Clinton. And most definitely longer than you and yours went after Gore and Kerry. Also, there is a slight difference between going after someone for partisan political reasons (with little to no truth to them), such as the Republican’ts have, and going after a lying, cokeheaded deserter who went AWOL from his cushy National Guard “service” during wartime (just to mention one actual factual reason for going after him before he stole his first federal election in 2000). But go ahead and try to set up the false equivalence anyhow, Jay. Just another data point to show how much of a pack of lying weaselly hypocritical unamerican traitors Republican’ts like you, Jay, are to the studio audience.
Not bad, Tom, but I think you missed a few talking points in there. Swing back by Democratic Underground for a refresher.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I think I’ll go have a good cry over being called part of a pack of “lying weaselly hypocritical unamerican traitors Republican’ts.”
And by “cry,” I mean “laugh.”
Hope you feel better after getting that out of your system. Now run it past someone with a passing grasp of grammar and spelling for the next time you cut and paste your laughable vitriol.
J.
And by “cry,” I mean “laugh.”
And by “your sense of humor makes me want to rip out my eyes” I mean “your sense of humor makes me want to rip out my eyes”.
Jay Tea: Not bad, Tom, but I think you missed a few talking points in there. Swing back by Democratic Underground for a refresher.
The comedy stylings of Jay “Ayers! Wright! Typhoid Barry! ACORN!” Tea, ladies and gentlemen.
And I want to point out, he got the saying right! God, I love having literate, intelligent people in charge.
J. G. Thayer: “Not bad, Tom, but I think you missed a few talking points in there. Swing back by Democratic Underground for a refresher.”
The hypocrisy you display is amazing.
Jay Tea, Jan 16th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Not bad, Tom, but I think you missed a few talking points in there. Swing back by Democratic Underground for a refresher.
Way to duck the valid points I brought up by using yet another false equivalence between reality-based concerns and Republican’t propaganda propagation. Coming from someone who is a regular font of Republican’t misinformation only adds to the ironic humor. Don’t worry, Jay – we’re laughing at you, not with you.
And, thanks, Jay, for showing anyone not aware of the duplicity, hypocrisy, dishonesty, and maliciousness that is the heart and soul of the modern Republican’t party.
Stay classy, Republican’t Putsch fellator.
Stay classy, Republican’t Putsch fellator.
…and pussy coward chickenhawk. Bawk bawk bawk!!!
Jay Tea
Jan 16th, 2009 at 11:11…..Porlock, interesting interpretation on Obama’s vetting crew. I guess they were so busy with Geithner that they missed Geithner’s illegal alien employee… the Bill Richardson investigation… or Eric Holder’s role in Clinton’s pardons… or Hillary Clinton doing big favors for Bill’s big donors…….
As I co-sign off my man Ta-Neshi Coates: WEAK SAUCE, Jay. WEAK, WEAK SAUCE. Please show us the proof of these supposed improprieties and I do know what the “real deal” is with your interpretations, so come at us with some real world reputable sources for your allegations and not the usual suspects you supply us with for a change.