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	<title>Comments on: Rip Van Jay Nordlinger &amp; The Fantasy World Of The Right</title>
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	<description>Like Kryptonite To Stupid</description>
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		<title>By: Ottovbvs</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/15/rip-van-jay-nordlinger-the-fantasy-world-of-the-right/#comment-133823</link>
		<dc:creator>Ottovbvs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nordlinger and one or two others at NR are clearly not idiots so what is their motivation. With some, Goldberg, York, Kudlow, Lowry, it&#039;s clearly the money. There&#039;s a market for this crap so they provide it and make a nice living thank you very much. In other words Limbaugh and Fox News writ small. Then of course you have the out and out fruitcakes like Steyn and McCarthy. But there are some bright people and some of the things they say are just juvenile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nordlinger and one or two others at NR are clearly not idiots so what is their motivation. With some, Goldberg, York, Kudlow, Lowry, it&#8217;s clearly the money. There&#8217;s a market for this crap so they provide it and make a nice living thank you very much. In other words Limbaugh and Fox News writ small. Then of course you have the out and out fruitcakes like Steyn and McCarthy. But there are some bright people and some of the things they say are just juvenile.</p>
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		<title>By: A.R.Yngve</title>
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		<dc:creator>A.R.Yngve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A country that believes that Cheney&#039;s a monster, W.&#039;s stupid, and Palin&#039;s a bimbo&quot;...

...is a country with its head firmly stuck in reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A country that believes that Cheney&#8217;s a monster, W.&#8217;s stupid, and Palin&#8217;s a bimbo&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;is a country with its head firmly stuck in reality.</p>
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		<title>By: anotherbozo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/15/rip-van-jay-nordlinger-the-fantasy-world-of-the-right/#comment-132978</link>
		<dc:creator>anotherbozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mylegacy:  word.

But for real perspective on what we&#039;re up against vis a vis our ignorant, complacent populace, see Harper&#039;s Magazine&#039;s editorial &quot;A Quibble&quot; (unfortunately not available online).  Our illiteracy, anti-intellectualism and laziness are topping all previous generations&#039;, and only Obama stands between us and a continued downward trend.  The writer of the editorial is himself pessimistic.

Is Obama savior enough? Is he merely a pause in our descent or the beginning of a reversal? 

A financial crisis isn&#039;t the only one facing us.  Impossibly enough, our educational crisis (for what else can you call a populace that votes against itself, time after time, but STUPID?) is even bigger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mylegacy:  word.</p>
<p>But for real perspective on what we&#8217;re up against vis a vis our ignorant, complacent populace, see Harper&#8217;s Magazine&#8217;s editorial &#8220;A Quibble&#8221; (unfortunately not available online).  Our illiteracy, anti-intellectualism and laziness are topping all previous generations&#8217;, and only Obama stands between us and a continued downward trend.  The writer of the editorial is himself pessimistic.</p>
<p>Is Obama savior enough? Is he merely a pause in our descent or the beginning of a reversal? </p>
<p>A financial crisis isn&#8217;t the only one facing us.  Impossibly enough, our educational crisis (for what else can you call a populace that votes against itself, time after time, but STUPID?) is even bigger.</p>
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		<title>By: Mylegacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mylegacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First; the &quot;Right&quot; don&#039;t hate America. The &quot;Right&quot; LOVES America as the &quot;Terminator&quot; as &quot;John Wayne&quot; as &quot;General Custer&quot; - the RIGHT loves the American Myth. It&#039;s the American Myth that HATES America.

Instead of &quot;love thy neighbour&quot; it&#039;s &quot;do unto your neighbour before your neighbour does unto you.&quot; Instead of Unions, middle class wages, universal health care and industrial jobs you get a frantic race to the bottom - all so that the top 1% can EARN more yearly income than the bottom 40%. A race to the bottom so that the top 1% can OWN close to 65% of all the wealth. 

WHY do NORMAL Americans LET THE TOP 1% DO IT...SIMPLE...The RIGHT has convinced at least 52% of the bottom 98% that the American Myth is what they should aspire to.

The American RIGHT isn&#039;t the problem - the American LEFT is the problem for not being able to convince their own WORKING CLASS, MIDDLE CLASS brothers and sisters that for ONCE in their shitty lives they should vote for THEMSELVES instead of the 1% that OWN their hearts, minds, and sorry asses all because they&#039;ve put the American Myth ahead of their children&#039;s education and health care.

Obama gives us a BRIEF 4 or 8 year window to try and reverse the minds of American&#039;s fools.  

As to the RIGHT thinking the LEFT has won the battle to frame the &quot;Labeling&quot; of concepts and people...this cycle...for the first time in well over a generation...they are correct...FINALLY we have defeated the penetration of Right Wing Radio.

For YEARS their lies and misinformation went unchallenged day after day, week after week, year after year. Now we CRUSH them - every single day we nip their lies in the bud. Maddow, Stewart, Olbermann, Colbert, Maher and others tear their distortions to pieces. The Amercian people - the American LEFT FINALLY have the tools to desrtoy the LUNACY of Right Wing apologists.

Four or eight years - that&#039;s all you Americans have to change your future, to change your children&#039;s future.

Good luck - you&#039;ll need it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First; the &#8220;Right&#8221; don&#8217;t hate America. The &#8220;Right&#8221; LOVES America as the &#8220;Terminator&#8221; as &#8220;John Wayne&#8221; as &#8220;General Custer&#8221; &#8211; the RIGHT loves the American Myth. It&#8217;s the American Myth that HATES America.</p>
<p>Instead of &#8220;love thy neighbour&#8221; it&#8217;s &#8220;do unto your neighbour before your neighbour does unto you.&#8221; Instead of Unions, middle class wages, universal health care and industrial jobs you get a frantic race to the bottom &#8211; all so that the top 1% can EARN more yearly income than the bottom 40%. A race to the bottom so that the top 1% can OWN close to 65% of all the wealth. </p>
<p>WHY do NORMAL Americans LET THE TOP 1% DO IT&#8230;SIMPLE&#8230;The RIGHT has convinced at least 52% of the bottom 98% that the American Myth is what they should aspire to.</p>
<p>The American RIGHT isn&#8217;t the problem &#8211; the American LEFT is the problem for not being able to convince their own WORKING CLASS, MIDDLE CLASS brothers and sisters that for ONCE in their shitty lives they should vote for THEMSELVES instead of the 1% that OWN their hearts, minds, and sorry asses all because they&#8217;ve put the American Myth ahead of their children&#8217;s education and health care.</p>
<p>Obama gives us a BRIEF 4 or 8 year window to try and reverse the minds of American&#8217;s fools.  </p>
<p>As to the RIGHT thinking the LEFT has won the battle to frame the &#8220;Labeling&#8221; of concepts and people&#8230;this cycle&#8230;for the first time in well over a generation&#8230;they are correct&#8230;FINALLY we have defeated the penetration of Right Wing Radio.</p>
<p>For YEARS their lies and misinformation went unchallenged day after day, week after week, year after year. Now we CRUSH them &#8211; every single day we nip their lies in the bud. Maddow, Stewart, Olbermann, Colbert, Maher and others tear their distortions to pieces. The Amercian people &#8211; the American LEFT FINALLY have the tools to desrtoy the LUNACY of Right Wing apologists.</p>
<p>Four or eight years &#8211; that&#8217;s all you Americans have to change your future, to change your children&#8217;s future.</p>
<p>Good luck &#8211; you&#8217;ll need it!</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are those who will protect his legacy because for them objectivity = advocating the midpoint between a society&#039;s two political extremes, wherever it happens to fall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are those who will protect his legacy because for them objectivity = advocating the midpoint between a society&#8217;s two political extremes, wherever it happens to fall.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of humor is about poking fun at those in power.  Republicans can&#039;t do humor because most of them are, at heart, sycophantic boot-lickers and toadies.  They&#039;re simply incapable of it.

And any human being who thinks Bush II was a good president, even while in objective terms we enter what might be another Depression, is either a) stupid or b) lying to themselves and in danger of having their heads explode.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of humor is about poking fun at those in power.  Republicans can&#8217;t do humor because most of them are, at heart, sycophantic boot-lickers and toadies.  They&#8217;re simply incapable of it.</p>
<p>And any human being who thinks Bush II was a good president, even while in objective terms we enter what might be another Depression, is either a) stupid or b) lying to themselves and in danger of having their heads explode.</p>
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		<title>By: Wareq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wareq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 23:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like their appeal is just becoming more selective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like their appeal is just becoming more selective.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Speaking of lemmings...&quot; Part II

75% of Republicans have a positive opinion on George W. Bush. 

75%!

GOP = Lemmings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Speaking of lemmings&#8230;&#8221; Part II</p>
<p>75% of Republicans have a positive opinion on George W. Bush. </p>
<p>75%!</p>
<p>GOP = Lemmings.</p>
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		<title>By: durablend</title>
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		<dc:creator>durablend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of lemmings, how&#039;s that McCain as president thing working out for you?

Oh right....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of lemmings, how&#8217;s that McCain as president thing working out for you?</p>
<p>Oh right&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:33:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think that it is necessary and helpful that satire (in the case of Colbert and Stewart) is used in order to combat the branded images of candidates during election time.  Elections are nothing more than branding campaigns to try and sell us a candidates image.  Lampooning this process on comedy shows and in pop culture is a natural way to gather some interesting insights into the political process.

They political figures are sold on perception (remember people thinking that Bush would be a great guy to have a beer with) so it is natural for society to &quot;rebel&quot; against this notion and seek some truths that can only be found when you take some characterizations to the extreme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think that it is necessary and helpful that satire (in the case of Colbert and Stewart) is used in order to combat the branded images of candidates during election time.  Elections are nothing more than branding campaigns to try and sell us a candidates image.  Lampooning this process on comedy shows and in pop culture is a natural way to gather some interesting insights into the political process.</p>
<p>They political figures are sold on perception (remember people thinking that Bush would be a great guy to have a beer with) so it is natural for society to &#8220;rebel&#8221; against this notion and seek some truths that can only be found when you take some characterizations to the extreme.</p>
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		<title>By: Joaquin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joaquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>justadood must be the lead-lemming. He has spoken........now follow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>justadood must be the lead-lemming. He has spoken&#8230;&#8230;..now follow!</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 18:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;hat I mean is, the Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, Bill Maher mentality has prevailed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Advantage: Reality.

(Actually SNL and Maher are pretty flawed if relatively reality-based. J-Stew&#039;s very good, with and Onionesque record.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>hat I mean is, the Saturday Night Live, Jon Stewart, Bill Maher mentality has prevailed.</p></blockquote>
<p>Advantage: Reality.</p>
<p>(Actually SNL and Maher are pretty flawed if relatively reality-based. J-Stew&#8217;s very good, with and Onionesque record.)</p>
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		<title>By: passerby</title>
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		<dc:creator>passerby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who denies that Palin is a bimbo, is himself suffering from a severe case of recto-cranial inversion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who denies that Palin is a bimbo, is himself suffering from a severe case of recto-cranial inversion.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:55:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Christ it’s as if the entire staff of NR are 4th graders on South Park.&lt;/i&gt;

They&#039;re not?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Christ it’s as if the entire staff of NR are 4th graders on South Park.</i></p>
<p>They&#8217;re not?</p>
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		<title>By: steno</title>
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		<dc:creator>steno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver, 

scroll down four posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver, </p>
<p>scroll down four posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Rheinhard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rheinhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nordlinger&#039;s thesis is all the more amusing in light of the perpetual wingnut whinging about the nonexistent &quot;reinstate the Fairness Doctrine&quot; juggernaut.  What Nordlinger is insisting is that unless and until conservatives have complete and total control of every mechanism by which thought can be transmitted (schools, universities, newspapers, magazines, cable news, movies, and &lt;i&gt;even comedy shows&lt;/i&gt;... oh, and don&#039;t forget &lt;i&gt;music&lt;/i&gt; - will.i.am and the Dixie Chicks need to shut up and sing!) their ideas simply can&#039;t get a fair shake.  But it&#039;s those damn &lt;i&gt;liberals&lt;/i&gt; who are the digital brownshirts!

It&#039;s even more depressing reading the entirety of Nordy&#039;s column, because after his hysterical exegesis about Jon Stewart&#039;s mind control powers, he goes on to discuss such weighty issues as mocking some Indian guy with a scatalogically funny name, Hugh Hefner&#039;s dating habits, and giving a hearty &quot;F*** you&quot; to retiring Sen. Voinovich.  Christ it&#039;s as if the entire staff of NR are 4th graders on South Park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nordlinger&#8217;s thesis is all the more amusing in light of the perpetual wingnut whinging about the nonexistent &#8220;reinstate the Fairness Doctrine&#8221; juggernaut.  What Nordlinger is insisting is that unless and until conservatives have complete and total control of every mechanism by which thought can be transmitted (schools, universities, newspapers, magazines, cable news, movies, and <i>even comedy shows</i>&#8230; oh, and don&#8217;t forget <i>music</i> &#8211; will.i.am and the Dixie Chicks need to shut up and sing!) their ideas simply can&#8217;t get a fair shake.  But it&#8217;s those damn <i>liberals</i> who are the digital brownshirts!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s even more depressing reading the entirety of Nordy&#8217;s column, because after his hysterical exegesis about Jon Stewart&#8217;s mind control powers, he goes on to discuss such weighty issues as mocking some Indian guy with a scatalogically funny name, Hugh Hefner&#8217;s dating habits, and giving a hearty &#8220;F*** you&#8221; to retiring Sen. Voinovich.  Christ it&#8217;s as if the entire staff of NR are 4th graders on South Park.</p>
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		<title>By: justadood</title>
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		<dc:creator>justadood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That should be *the* Tslking Point for Progressives: Quote the Conservative directly and follow it with &quot;Why Do Conservatives Hate America?&quot;  ...because they do.  Hate America.  They hate its Republic because the majority can vote its interests (which aren&#039;t always the same as those of the Conservatives).  They hate its diversity--odd, since that Diverse Nation was what welcomed them or their ancestors.  They hate its institutions, because those institutions aid ALL Americans, including those &quot;Other People&quot;---don&#039;tcha know you&#039;re only s&#039;posed to help White European Americans?  

So....Say it often, say it loudly....and say it *again*--Why Do Conservatives Hate America?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That should be *the* Tslking Point for Progressives: Quote the Conservative directly and follow it with &#8220;Why Do Conservatives Hate America?&#8221;  &#8230;because they do.  Hate America.  They hate its Republic because the majority can vote its interests (which aren&#8217;t always the same as those of the Conservatives).  They hate its diversity&#8211;odd, since that Diverse Nation was what welcomed them or their ancestors.  They hate its institutions, because those institutions aid ALL Americans, including those &#8220;Other People&#8221;&#8212;don&#8217;tcha know you&#8217;re only s&#8217;posed to help White European Americans?  </p>
<p>So&#8230;.Say it often, say it loudly&#8230;.and say it *again*&#8211;Why Do Conservatives Hate America?</p>
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