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	<title>Comments on: Is Moe Lane Of Redstate.com Stupid?</title>
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		<title>By: daniel rotter</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131480</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel rotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 04:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Judicial Watch is a joke.&quot;

I like how on the list, a supposed example of Hilary Clinton&#039;s corruption is just simply the name &quot;Webb Hubbell.&quot;  Yes, Judicial Watch is a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Judicial Watch is a joke.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like how on the list, a supposed example of Hilary Clinton&#8217;s corruption is just simply the name &#8220;Webb Hubbell.&#8221;  Yes, Judicial Watch is a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131470</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 01:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Face it, its a waste of time to argue about it. &lt;/i&gt;

The only thing really worth pointing here is that, as OW pointed out in his first comment, Judicial Watch is a joke. The list is a joke and folks like Jay Tea who take it seriously are a joke.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Face it, its a waste of time to argue about it. </i></p>
<p>The only thing really worth pointing here is that, as OW pointed out in his first comment, Judicial Watch is a joke. The list is a joke and folks like Jay Tea who take it seriously are a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: Haplo9</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131460</link>
		<dc:creator>Haplo9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no argument to be on the losing side of. This is you saying, &quot;My side is better because I have decided to that republican wrongdoing = representative of all republicans.&quot; Unsurprisingly, people not in ideological agreement with you don&#039;t find your claim convincing, especially given numerous examples of Democratic wrongdoing. 

The reason it is childish and naive is because you want (and judging from your frequency of posting on the subject, you *really* want) to take a subjective judgement and turn it into objective fact because .. why? I guess it makes you feel good and righteous to feel like you are on the &quot;right&quot; side. Well, newsflash - politics attracts people who aren&#039;t exactly high on the integrity and honesty scales, and they are attracted to both parties. (In roughly equal numbers, from what I can tell. Or wait, maybe we should do a historical tally and count them all! Then we&#039;ll know who is really righteous!) The political parties they lead will thus not be bastiens of truth and light. The best we can do is go with a certain political party based on whether we think they are more likely to support the things we think are important.

So by all means, tell people why you support issue a. Or why you think republicans have it wrong when they support issue b. But judging people simply because they have an R after their name, which makes you think you know how and what they think? Arrogant, childish, and naive. Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no argument to be on the losing side of. This is you saying, &#8220;My side is better because I have decided to that republican wrongdoing = representative of all republicans.&#8221; Unsurprisingly, people not in ideological agreement with you don&#8217;t find your claim convincing, especially given numerous examples of Democratic wrongdoing. </p>
<p>The reason it is childish and naive is because you want (and judging from your frequency of posting on the subject, you *really* want) to take a subjective judgement and turn it into objective fact because .. why? I guess it makes you feel good and righteous to feel like you are on the &#8220;right&#8221; side. Well, newsflash &#8211; politics attracts people who aren&#8217;t exactly high on the integrity and honesty scales, and they are attracted to both parties. (In roughly equal numbers, from what I can tell. Or wait, maybe we should do a historical tally and count them all! Then we&#8217;ll know who is really righteous!) The political parties they lead will thus not be bastiens of truth and light. The best we can do is go with a certain political party based on whether we think they are more likely to support the things we think are important.</p>
<p>So by all means, tell people why you support issue a. Or why you think republicans have it wrong when they support issue b. But judging people simply because they have an R after their name, which makes you think you know how and what they think? Arrogant, childish, and naive. Grow up.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131453</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 21:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Quaker,
You’re not a whole lot smarter, you are just being obtuse both about my sainted Grandmother and the english language.&lt;/em&gt;

What? Did AO just play the I Know You Are But What Am I card with No Backsies?

Didn&#039;t see that coming. I am slain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Quaker,<br />
You’re not a whole lot smarter, you are just being obtuse both about my sainted Grandmother and the english language.</em></p>
<p>What? Did AO just play the I Know You Are But What Am I card with No Backsies?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t see that coming. I am slain.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131449</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, people on the losing side of an argument usually resort to a personal insult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, people on the losing side of an argument usually resort to a personal insult.</p>
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		<title>By: Haplo9</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131448</link>
		<dc:creator>Haplo9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 20:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here let me sum up this entire stupid thread:

Democrats: &quot;The Republican party is systemically corrupt. When you seen corrupt Republicans, it represents the goals of the entire party. When you see corrupt Democrats, it represents individual actors.&quot;

Republicans: &quot;If Republican party corruption is systemic, then all these examples of Democratic corruption indicate the same thing.&quot;

Face it, its a waste of time to argue about it. Both sides have enough examples of malfeasance by the other side that nobody gets to play the angel as much as they might want, and noone is going to concede that their side sucks pretty hard too.

For my own, I do have to say that Oliver&#039;s constant &quot;anything bad that Republicans do represents their overall ideology and goals, anything bad Democrats do represents isolated actors&quot; to be wishful nonsense on stilts. But thats what partisans do, and that&#039;s 80% of what Oliver posts here. Just point, laugh at his childish naivete, and move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here let me sum up this entire stupid thread:</p>
<p>Democrats: &#8220;The Republican party is systemically corrupt. When you seen corrupt Republicans, it represents the goals of the entire party. When you see corrupt Democrats, it represents individual actors.&#8221;</p>
<p>Republicans: &#8220;If Republican party corruption is systemic, then all these examples of Democratic corruption indicate the same thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>Face it, its a waste of time to argue about it. Both sides have enough examples of malfeasance by the other side that nobody gets to play the angel as much as they might want, and noone is going to concede that their side sucks pretty hard too.</p>
<p>For my own, I do have to say that Oliver&#8217;s constant &#8220;anything bad that Republicans do represents their overall ideology and goals, anything bad Democrats do represents isolated actors&#8221; to be wishful nonsense on stilts. But thats what partisans do, and that&#8217;s 80% of what Oliver posts here. Just point, laugh at his childish naivete, and move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131444</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Who was disbarred, &lt;/i&gt;

He wasn&#039;t disbarred, his license was suspended.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Who was disbarred, </i></p>
<p>He wasn&#8217;t disbarred, his license was suspended.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131441</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amused o: Sean,
You’re just acting like a liberal

Translation: I got nothin&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amused o: Sean,<br />
You’re just acting like a liberal</p>
<p>Translation: I got nothin&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131440</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 18:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amused o: &lt;i&gt;Sean,
You’re just acting like a liberal&lt;/i&gt;

Translation: You&#039;re insisting on using facts and something more substantial than &quot;My Grandmother said it is so*&quot; to make your case.

.

* I still can just barely believe that A0 proclaimed that&#039;s what his opinions are based on, and can&#039;t believe anyone would actually think that&#039;s a capstone argument.  And, yet, he does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amused o: <i>Sean,<br />
You’re just acting like a liberal</i></p>
<p>Translation: You&#8217;re insisting on using facts and something more substantial than &#8220;My Grandmother said it is so*&#8221; to make your case.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>* I still can just barely believe that A0 proclaimed that&#8217;s what his opinions are based on, and can&#8217;t believe anyone would actually think that&#8217;s a capstone argument.  And, yet, he does.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131427</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duros,
Did your momma raise any bright kids?  Do you by any chance understand what the word seen means?

Quaker,
You&#039;re not a whole lot smarter, you are just being obtuse both about my sainted Grandmother and the english language.

Sean,
You&#039;re just acting like a liberal which puts you head and shoulders above your amigos Quaker and Duros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duros,<br />
Did your momma raise any bright kids?  Do you by any chance understand what the word seen means?</p>
<p>Quaker,<br />
You&#8217;re not a whole lot smarter, you are just being obtuse both about my sainted Grandmother and the english language.</p>
<p>Sean,<br />
You&#8217;re just acting like a liberal which puts you head and shoulders above your amigos Quaker and Duros.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131424</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Tea, just for fun, please go back through the Judicial Watch &quot;ranking&quot; and list all the politicians who are actually under official investigation or have already been indicted for something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Tea, just for fun, please go back through the Judicial Watch &#8220;ranking&#8221; and list all the politicians who are actually under official investigation or have already been indicted for something.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131422</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a lesson, boys. Duros knows the &lt;em&gt;right&lt;/em&gt; way to chase me from a thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a lesson, boys. Duros knows the <em>right</em> way to chase me from a thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131415</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker, you remain my hero.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker, you remain my hero.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131414</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If you want to make a case for Chicago and Illinois not being corrupt, go for it. My Grandma came from Chicago, good luck with that.&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t think I have to make my case. I assume it is just understood that only a conservative would implicate his own grandma in corruption just to make a point. But then, as a white guy, AO doesn&#039;t have to worry. Her criminal tendencies aren&#039;t genetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If you want to make a case for Chicago and Illinois not being corrupt, go for it. My Grandma came from Chicago, good luck with that.</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I have to make my case. I assume it is just understood that only a conservative would implicate his own grandma in corruption just to make a point. But then, as a white guy, AO doesn&#8217;t have to worry. Her criminal tendencies aren&#8217;t genetic.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131413</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You go big fella, give us your cites. If you want to make a case for Chicago and Illinois not being corrupt, go for it. &lt;/i&gt;

Except he never said Chicago was &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; corrupt.

Dude, seriously, stay down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You go big fella, give us your cites. If you want to make a case for Chicago and Illinois not being corrupt, go for it. </i></p>
<p>Except he never said Chicago was <b>not</b> corrupt.</p>
<p>Dude, seriously, stay down.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131412</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Duros,
Try to work on those reading skills. I clearly said I was mistaken and the phrase ‘I have seen’ means just that.
&lt;/i&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;

&lt;i&gt;I &lt;b&gt;may&lt;/b&gt; be mistaken but &lt;b&gt;I don’t believe&lt;/b&gt; I’ve &lt;b&gt;ever&lt;/b&gt; seen &lt;b&gt;anyone&lt;/b&gt; admit they were wrong here.
&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Clearly you said nothing of the sort, lunchbox. I&#039;ll work on the reading skills if you&#039;ll work on the whole higher brain function thing. Your sentence was a thing of ambivalent beauty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Duros,<br />
Try to work on those reading skills. I clearly said I was mistaken and the phrase ‘I have seen’ means just that.<br />
</i></p>
<blockquote>
<p><i>I <b>may</b> be mistaken but <b>I don’t believe</b> I’ve <b>ever</b> seen <b>anyone</b> admit they were wrong here.<br />
</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Clearly you said nothing of the sort, lunchbox. I&#8217;ll work on the reading skills if you&#8217;ll work on the whole higher brain function thing. Your sentence was a thing of ambivalent beauty.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131411</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 23:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What if we expand it to very high-ranking officials, but not specifically governors (e.g., Lt Governors, Attorneys General, Speakers, etc.),&lt;/i&gt;

Oooh. that puts Rhode Island in the running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What if we expand it to very high-ranking officials, but not specifically governors (e.g., Lt Governors, Attorneys General, Speakers, etc.),</i></p>
<p>Oooh. that puts Rhode Island in the running.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131410</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amused 0: &lt;i&gt;If you want to make a case for Chicago and Illinois not being corrupt, go for it. My Grandma came from Chicago, good luck with that.&lt;/i&gt;

Goodness,  what could I possibly say, what actual facts could I possibly bring to bear that could hope to compete with your compelling argument that &quot;It&#039;s true because my Grandma said it&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amused 0: <i>If you want to make a case for Chicago and Illinois not being corrupt, go for it. My Grandma came from Chicago, good luck with that.</i></p>
<p>Goodness,  what could I possibly say, what actual facts could I possibly bring to bear that could hope to compete with your compelling argument that &#8220;It&#8217;s true because my Grandma said it&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris G.</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131409</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is &quot;Yes, but not as stupid as Jay Tea.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is &#8220;Yes, but not as stupid as Jay Tea.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2009/01/01/is-moe-lane-of-redstatecom-stupid/#comment-131407</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;If you want to make a case for Chicago and Illinois not being corrupt, go for it. My Grandma came from Chicago,&lt;/em&gt;

Hardly seems right to blame her, but then I don&#039;t know your grandma. Was she in politics or rackets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If you want to make a case for Chicago and Illinois not being corrupt, go for it. My Grandma came from Chicago,</em></p>
<p>Hardly seems right to blame her, but then I don&#8217;t know your grandma. Was she in politics or rackets?</p>
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