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	<title>Comments on: Conservative Frank Gaffney: 4,000 Americans HAD To Die In Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should read what the Rude Pundit has to say about Gaffney today.</description>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’m not serving but my boy is. Carrying the weight of blue America upon his shoulders.&lt;/em&gt;

I hope he comes home safely.</description>
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<p>I hope he comes home safely.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;AO - I’m sure Duros will be able to elaborate more,&lt;/i&gt;

No need. You covered it, Rheinhard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>AO &#8211; I’m sure Duros will be able to elaborate more,</i></p>
<p>No need. You covered it, Rheinhard.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not serving but my boy is. Carrying the weight of blue America upon his shoulders.&lt;/i&gt;

So, AO, who&#039;s carrying your dead weight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m not serving but my boy is. Carrying the weight of blue America upon his shoulders.</i></p>
<p>So, AO, who&#8217;s carrying your dead weight?</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Ed. I think it was due more to an inexperienced driver. Also, and I didn&#039;t know this until my nephew told me, the armor on a Humvee, while valuable, can really affect its balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ed. I think it was due more to an inexperienced driver. Also, and I didn&#8217;t know this until my nephew told me, the armor on a Humvee, while valuable, can really affect its balance.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;My blue Marine Lance Corporal nephew served two tours in Iraq and then suffered a broken arm and fractured skull when his crew’s Humvee flipped in a state-side accident.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s wildly unfortunate on many levels, IaH. I&#039;m sure some of AO&#039;s Ilk would posit that it was Jesus&#039;s will, what with the nephew&#039;s political hue and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My blue Marine Lance Corporal nephew served two tours in Iraq and then suffered a broken arm and fractured skull when his crew’s Humvee flipped in a state-side accident.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s wildly unfortunate on many levels, IaH. I&#8217;m sure some of AO&#8217;s Ilk would posit that it was Jesus&#8217;s will, what with the nephew&#8217;s political hue and all.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My blue Marine Lance Corporal nephew served two tours in Iraq and then suffered a broken arm and fractured skull when his crew&#039;s Humvee flipped in a state-side accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My blue Marine Lance Corporal nephew served two tours in Iraq and then suffered a broken arm and fractured skull when his crew&#8217;s Humvee flipped in a state-side accident.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/12/16/conservative-frank-gaffney-4000-americans-had-to-die-in-iraq/#comment-130199</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m not serving but my boy is. Carrying the weight of blue America upon his shoulders.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t believe that.</description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t believe that.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oddly enough, AO lives in a &#039;blue state.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oddly enough, AO lives in a &#8216;blue state.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Rheinhard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rheinhard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AO - I&#039;m sure Duros will be able to elaborate more, but in essence the (Milton) Friedman experiment is summarized in his earlier sentence &quot;They wanted a “clean slate” of free market economics.&quot;  There are any number of articles describing how people with real foreign policy experience and who understood the regional conflicts we&#039;d deal with over there were shunted aside in the CPA in favor of 25 year old Ayn Rand fetishist &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48543-2004May22.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Heritage Foundation interns&lt;/a&gt; who didn&#039;t know the difference between Sunni and Shia but knew that the number 1 priority for the new Iraq constitution was to make sure there was no capital gains tax!

As has been America&#039;s policy for decades, from at least the Pinochet junta forward, other nations exist mainly as laboratories for the policies of the &quot;Chicago school&quot; of economics (of which Friedman was the leader).  If their peoples won&#039;t vote the way we want, well, we can fix that.  Better some of the peasants die than allow Friedmanism to be less than fully implemented!  And that&#039;s the &quot;Chicago Way&quot;!

But read the documents of the neocon think tanks.  There is one other major reason to invade Iraq (or some other mideast hellhole) which hasn&#039;t been covered:  to give us the staging ground for the war with China that most neocons anticipate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AO &#8211; I&#8217;m sure Duros will be able to elaborate more, but in essence the (Milton) Friedman experiment is summarized in his earlier sentence &#8220;They wanted a “clean slate” of free market economics.&#8221;  There are any number of articles describing how people with real foreign policy experience and who understood the regional conflicts we&#8217;d deal with over there were shunted aside in the CPA in favor of 25 year old Ayn Rand fetishist <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48543-2004May22.html" rel="nofollow">Heritage Foundation interns</a> who didn&#8217;t know the difference between Sunni and Shia but knew that the number 1 priority for the new Iraq constitution was to make sure there was no capital gains tax!</p>
<p>As has been America&#8217;s policy for decades, from at least the Pinochet junta forward, other nations exist mainly as laboratories for the policies of the &#8220;Chicago school&#8221; of economics (of which Friedman was the leader).  If their peoples won&#8217;t vote the way we want, well, we can fix that.  Better some of the peasants die than allow Friedmanism to be less than fully implemented!  And that&#8217;s the &#8220;Chicago Way&#8221;!</p>
<p>But read the documents of the neocon think tanks.  There is one other major reason to invade Iraq (or some other mideast hellhole) which hasn&#8217;t been covered:  to give us the staging ground for the war with China that most neocons anticipate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just took a tour of the DMZ here in South Korea.  The two guides were US servicemen.  One was from northern California, outside San Francisco, the other from Chicago.  Very nice guys, pretty professional and knowledgeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just took a tour of the DMZ here in South Korea.  The two guides were US servicemen.  One was from northern California, outside San Francisco, the other from Chicago.  Very nice guys, pretty professional and knowledgeable.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What do you think FDR would say about the treasonous behavior of Reid, Pelosi, and Murtha giving comfort to our enemies in a time of war? What would he have said about Obama? What would he think about you?&quot;

He would tell you to shut the fuck up. He would tell you by calling these patriotic Americans traitors, you show that you have no idea what American really stands for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What do you think FDR would say about the treasonous behavior of Reid, Pelosi, and Murtha giving comfort to our enemies in a time of war? What would he have said about Obama? What would he think about you?&#8221;</p>
<p>He would tell you to shut the fuck up. He would tell you by calling these patriotic Americans traitors, you show that you have no idea what American really stands for.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel rotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel rotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Have fun being irrelevant from now on.&quot;

Given that AO seems to think that only red staters are serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, he couldn&#039;t find his way back to relevancy with a thousand maps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Have fun being irrelevant from now on.&#8221;</p>
<p>Given that AO seems to think that only red staters are serving in Iraq or Afghanistan, he couldn&#8217;t find his way back to relevancy with a thousand maps.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel rotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel rotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Carrying the weight of blue America upon his shoulders&quot;.

Right, like no one from blue states is serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. Jerk.  Pat Tillman died in Afghanistan. He planned to vote for John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election, thought the war in Iraq was illegal and devoured the works of Noam Chomsky...sounds like a typical red stater to me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Carrying the weight of blue America upon his shoulders&#8221;.</p>
<p>Right, like no one from blue states is serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. Jerk.  Pat Tillman died in Afghanistan. He planned to vote for John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election, thought the war in Iraq was illegal and devoured the works of Noam Chomsky&#8230;sounds like a typical red stater to me!</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Red America couldn&#039;t exist without the tax dollars generated by cities like New York and Los Angeles.  But thanks for playing.  Have fun being irrelevant from now on.

And best wishes for your son to make it home safe.  It&#039;d be a shame if he died for a lie, wouldn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Red America couldn&#8217;t exist without the tax dollars generated by cities like New York and Los Angeles.  But thanks for playing.  Have fun being irrelevant from now on.</p>
<p>And best wishes for your son to make it home safe.  It&#8217;d be a shame if he died for a lie, wouldn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed and Jaim,
I&#039;m not serving but my boy is.  Carrying the weight of blue America upon his shoulders.

Oliver,
What do you think FDR would say about the treasonous behavior of Reid, Pelosi, and Murtha giving comfort to our enemies in a time of war?  What would he have said about Obama?  What would he think about you?


Duros,
Why don&#039;t you expand on that Friedman thing.  This I gotta hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed and Jaim,<br />
I&#8217;m not serving but my boy is.  Carrying the weight of blue America upon his shoulders.</p>
<p>Oliver,<br />
What do you think FDR would say about the treasonous behavior of Reid, Pelosi, and Murtha giving comfort to our enemies in a time of war?  What would he have said about Obama?  What would he think about you?</p>
<p>Duros,<br />
Why don&#8217;t you expand on that Friedman thing.  This I gotta hear.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Gaffney agrees with the objectives of the war. He wants/wanted to win it. &lt;/i&gt;

Okay, pop quiz. What are they and how do we do that? How will we know when we&#039;ve won?

&lt;i&gt;The REAL reason was simple - the neo-cons wanted to invade a middle eastern Muslim country, install a “democracy” and use it to undermine Islamic Dictatorships in the “heartland” of the Islamic beast.&lt;/i&gt;

I think it&#039;s simpler than that. They wanted access to Iraq&#039;s resources and markets. They wanted a &quot;clean slate&quot; of free market economics. &quot;Shock and Awe&quot; was not merely a war slogan. They wanted to shock the Iraqi people into utter compliance by destroying EVERYTHING and then outsourcing everything to rebuild it. 

Iraq was the last Friedman experiment. The last in  long line of fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Gaffney agrees with the objectives of the war. He wants/wanted to win it. </i></p>
<p>Okay, pop quiz. What are they and how do we do that? How will we know when we&#8217;ve won?</p>
<p><i>The REAL reason was simple &#8211; the neo-cons wanted to invade a middle eastern Muslim country, install a “democracy” and use it to undermine Islamic Dictatorships in the “heartland” of the Islamic beast.</i></p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s simpler than that. They wanted access to Iraq&#8217;s resources and markets. They wanted a &#8220;clean slate&#8221; of free market economics. &#8220;Shock and Awe&#8221; was not merely a war slogan. They wanted to shock the Iraqi people into utter compliance by destroying EVERYTHING and then outsourcing everything to rebuild it. </p>
<p>Iraq was the last Friedman experiment. The last in  long line of fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly that&#039;s why 2 liberal presidents led America through WW2</description>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The right doesn&#039;t have the guts or the brains to capture the people who carried out 9/11 -- Osama bin Laden and his Saudi support network.

So unless you&#039;re currently in the military Amused Observer, go fuck yourself.  Bush and his handlers haven&#039;t accomplished _anything_ since 9/11 to make America safer.  Indeed, they&#039;ve made the world a much more dangerous place.  Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

But I won&#039;t debate this fact with a moron like you.  I&#039;ll just remind you that a Democrat is going to be president in January thanks to the absolute clusterfuck that was Republican governance from 2001-2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The right doesn&#8217;t have the guts or the brains to capture the people who carried out 9/11 &#8212; Osama bin Laden and his Saudi support network.</p>
<p>So unless you&#8217;re currently in the military Amused Observer, go fuck yourself.  Bush and his handlers haven&#8217;t accomplished _anything_ since 9/11 to make America safer.  Indeed, they&#8217;ve made the world a much more dangerous place.  Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.</p>
<p>But I won&#8217;t debate this fact with a moron like you.  I&#8217;ll just remind you that a Democrat is going to be president in January thanks to the absolute clusterfuck that was Republican governance from 2001-2008.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks again for volunteering to serve in Iraq, Amused Observer.</description>
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