And reality is a hard concept for you to grasp.

As I pointed out above, if you are right above a mere technicality, then there’s not point in winning the White House and it would be better for political parties to spend all there effort trying to win enough seats in congress. It’s a lot cheaper win fight for the swing CDs than it is to win the White House.

It would be the same as saying the president has sole responsibility for appointing judges, ambassadors and certain departmental positions.

AO, ditto.
And still waiting.

Should be a snap to come up with evidence of those bad, bad legislators tacking on ginormous bucks to the President’s requests.

Going back to high school civics, it is the legislative branch that creates budgets. The president merely signs off or not.

All I’m asking you is this: when the President “asks” for a particular level of spending (which you now admit is part of the President’s role in the budget process) and sends his request to the legislature, is that “signing off” or “not signing off”?

It’s gotta be one or the other, because according to you, that’s all the President can do.

Sean,
As above.

The President asks. Earlier you had it as, “The president merely signs off or not.” Is “asking” the same as “signing off” or “not signing off”?

Dude, you got it wrong and got snarky about it in the process. How embarrassing for you.

Says the person who simply cannot take responsibility for what s/he said and acknowledge that “The president merely signs off or not” is inaccurate. Far easier to keep with the “Look, over there” and “Yeah, but” deflections.

Can you admit you were mistaken in your original post that “The president merely signs off or not” and that he actually plays a larger roll in making the budget?

So, AO no matter how much you say think congress is solely responsible for the budget, you have to admit the guy who can kill it if he doesn’t like it can exercise his own responsibility over the project.

Why are you acting like the President doesn’t have some measure of control over the members of congress, especially those in his own party?

If the buck doesn’t stop with the president, why both spending so much money electing one?

Fuck the rest of the elections. Just make sure you have 41 Senators.

This isn’t how it works in real life, so your argument is not valid.

I have no doubt that you believe that. You’d be wrong, of course, but that’s never stopped you from insisting you were right before.

Oh, CSS. Even if I agreed with you, why would I ever want to admit it when it’s so much more fun to watch you stomp your widdle feet?

No, Sean, this is not a problem is different interpretations or miscommunications. You said something that was wrong, and you refused to admit it.

You still refuse to admit it.

JAY ADMITTED HE WAS WRONG AND I WAS RIGHT, YET YOU REFUSE TO ADMIT IT.

How can you not understand this simple point?

“(That he can only dismiss my attempt at this as “something about hills and ramps” despite claiming to remember other parts of the exchange in detail shows how uninterested he is in anything someone says that would require him to reflect and contemplate.)”

It was a story about you getting into a discussion with someone and you were describing the same thing. Only they were calling it a hill and you were calling it a ramp so you two thought you were discussing two different things.

I’m dismissing it, because it doesn’t apply here.

You stated my question wasn’t valid and was just stalling.
I stated it was was valid because what Jay said didn’t make sense so askign for clarification was valid.
JAY ADMITTED WHAT HE SAID DIDN’T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE HE HAD MISREAD THE POST HE WAS RESPONDING TO.

We are saying two different things, because we mean two different things. And the evidence is clear, I was right, you were wrong.

“So now CSS seems to enjoy jumping on bits and pieces of what I post as some support for his view that whatever I say is ‘simply not credible’ and an attack on him.”

Yes, like when you selectively quote what I say to change the meaning.

“That my earlier posts in just this one thread, full of facts and figures with sources/references cited, do nothing to dissuade him from this view just goes to show how obsessed he is.”

And you lie about me again. I made note that you only seem to do this to me.

I think it’s because you don’t like my aggressive attitude. Like how I have no issue calling someone a “fucking ‘tard” when they say something stupid. After telling me that, and I responded with, ‘I don’t give a fuck.’ I believe you decided to take me down. Your early attempts were not successful, so you’ve resorted to less intellectually honest methods, like quoting out of context.

And this process, on your planet, is not called “creating a budget”?

Good to know.

Now my patronizing little pacifist what do you suppose happens next? The Legislature debates and finally decides what will and what will not be funded and how much money is going to be spent. At this point we have the actual budget, the responsibility for the amount of money spent and the direction of such spending is the whole and total responsibility of Congress.

The president can accept or reject the budget that Congress submits to him for his approval. If rejected the whole thing starts all over again.

But surely you know all this. Why is it so hard for you guys to admit Congress alone is ultimately responsible for the legislation it produces. Is the concept of responsibility that foreign to liberals?

Going back to high school civics, it is the legislative branch that creates budgets. The president merely signs off or not.

whitehouse.gov:

The President begins the process of formulating the
budget by establishing general budget and fiscal policy
guidelines, usually by the Spring of each year, at least
nine months before the President transmits the budget
to Congress and at least 18 months before the fiscal
year begins. (See the ‘‘Budget Calendar’’ below.) Based
on these guidelines, the Office of Management and
Budget (OMB) works with the Federal agencies to establish
specific policy directions and planning levels for
the agencies, both for the budget year and for at least
the following four years, to guide the preparation of
their budget requests.

During the formulation of the budget, the President,
the Director of OMB, and other officials in the Executive
Office of the President continually exchange information,
proposals, and evaluations bearing on policy
decisions with the Secretaries of the departments and
the heads of the other Government agencies.

Now what were you saying about high school civics?

Indeed. I learned it in high school civics. Now do you have anything to support your fantasy about why Republican presidents grow the government so much or not?

I thought not.

So now CSS seems to enjoy jumping on bits and pieces of what I post as some support for his view that whatever I say is “simply not credible” and an attack on him. That my earlier posts in just this one thread, full of facts and figures with sources/references cited, do nothing to dissuade him from this view just goes to show how obsessed he is.