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		<title>By: Terrier</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/15/there-they-go-again-3/#comment-127457</link>
		<dc:creator>Terrier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 18:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If they actually demonstrated conservative values while in office they’d be in a much better position, and the country would be as well.&quot; - Sure, if you like living in a cardboard box and surviving on garbage!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If they actually demonstrated conservative values while in office they’d be in a much better position, and the country would be as well.&#8221; &#8211; Sure, if you like living in a cardboard box and surviving on garbage!</p>
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		<title>By: JamesRaven</title>
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		<dc:creator>JamesRaven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Thanks for the link to explore!)

We know from Atrios&#039; and Digbys&#039; trenchant analysis, conservative values never fail; they can only BE failed. Ergo, when a conservative fails, they instantly become a liberal, and conservative values remain chastely pure.

But this piece blows the code, because DeMint slams three movement conservatives as &quot;not conservative enough&quot; without re-defining them as &quot;Far Leftists&quot;, or whatever. He also fails to mention President-Elect Obama at all, as if McCain was competing against the concept of liberalism and not a solid, progressive candidate.</description>
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<p>We know from Atrios&#8217; and Digbys&#8217; trenchant analysis, conservative values never fail; they can only BE failed. Ergo, when a conservative fails, they instantly become a liberal, and conservative values remain chastely pure.</p>
<p>But this piece blows the code, because DeMint slams three movement conservatives as &#8220;not conservative enough&#8221; without re-defining them as &#8220;Far Leftists&#8221;, or whatever. He also fails to mention President-Elect Obama at all, as if McCain was competing against the concept of liberalism and not a solid, progressive candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems like a statistically determinable point: how many people who voted for Bush didn&#039;t vote in the presidential race this year? The &quot;we need to go further right&quot; argument is based on the idea that the lost votes were coming from the right, not the center or left. It&#039;s statistically possible that McCain lost a bunch of Bush voters because of his being pro- campaign finance reform, pro-immigration reform, pro-bailout, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems like a statistically determinable point: how many people who voted for Bush didn&#8217;t vote in the presidential race this year? The &#8220;we need to go further right&#8221; argument is based on the idea that the lost votes were coming from the right, not the center or left. It&#8217;s statistically possible that McCain lost a bunch of Bush voters because of his being pro- campaign finance reform, pro-immigration reform, pro-bailout, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Claim to be for getting gov’t out of people’s personal lives.&quot;

Fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Claim to be for getting gov’t out of people’s personal lives.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fixed.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Bush and Stevens, he said, had corrupted the party brand by expanding the size of government and engaging in wasteful government spending. Had Republicans not strayed from their core beliefs in recent years, DeMint argued, the election results might have been different.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

But straying from their supposed &quot;core beliefs&quot; is &lt;b&gt;what they do&lt;/b&gt;.  Claim to be for smaller government.  Claim to be for fiscal responsibility.  Claim to be for getting gov&#039;t has no role messing in people&#039;s personal lives.  Claim to be for states rights.  Claim to be for all the &quot;conservative&quot; principles.  But once in office?

  Swell the size of government.  Bloat the deficits.  Advocate for discrimination.  Overrule state laws (e.g., medical marijuana) that don&#039;t agree with their &lt;b&gt;real&lt;/b&gt; &quot;core beliefs&quot;. Etc Etc Etc.

If they actually demonstrated conservative values while in office they&#039;d be in a much better position, and the country would be as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Bush and Stevens, he said, had corrupted the party brand by expanding the size of government and engaging in wasteful government spending. Had Republicans not strayed from their core beliefs in recent years, DeMint argued, the election results might have been different.</p></blockquote>
<p>But straying from their supposed &#8220;core beliefs&#8221; is <b>what they do</b>.  Claim to be for smaller government.  Claim to be for fiscal responsibility.  Claim to be for getting gov&#8217;t has no role messing in people&#8217;s personal lives.  Claim to be for states rights.  Claim to be for all the &#8220;conservative&#8221; principles.  But once in office?</p>
<p>  Swell the size of government.  Bloat the deficits.  Advocate for discrimination.  Overrule state laws (e.g., medical marijuana) that don&#8217;t agree with their <b>real</b> &#8220;core beliefs&#8221;. Etc Etc Etc.</p>
<p>If they actually demonstrated conservative values while in office they&#8217;d be in a much better position, and the country would be as well.</p>
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