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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/08/early-warning-shot-across-the-bow-to-the-msm-rush-limbaugh/#comment-127147</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s 99.99% likely that you are right, of course. I&#039;m just fuckin&#039; with ya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s 99.99% likely that you are right, of course. I&#8217;m just fuckin&#8217; with ya.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce Henry,

So your plausible explanation for how this happened requires that:

- the entire Palin family lie about these events;
- the staff, visitors and patients at the hospital where Trig was born lie about it;
- Palin makes up a lengthy, elaborate story about her fluid leaking but deciding to get on a plane anyway (even though this story doesn&#039;t make her look good at all);
- this story is backed up by her physician;
- no one who saw Bristol during the time Gov. Palin was pregnant is willing to tattle to the media about how Bristol was looking pregnant;
- the Palins and Johnsons are lying about Bristol&#039;s delivery date, because it would be impossible for her current pregnancy to end in December if she&#039;d delivered a baby on April 18 (even if the due date is Dec. 31, the latest she could have conceived was April 13);
- Bristol Palin is the 1 in 2000 chance of a 16-year-old&#039;s having a Down&#039;s baby, rather than Sarah Palin being the 1 in 50 chance of a 44 year old&#039;s having a Down&#039;s baby...

Sorry, nothing that&#039;s been put forward makes this sound much less silly than the &quot;Obama wasn&#039;t born in Hawaii&quot; theorists. How much peer presure could Gov. Palin have been under to pretend that her daughter wasn&#039;t pregnant a year ago, but suddenly she&#039;s willing to reveal that Bristol is &lt;i&gt;currently&lt;/i&gt; pregnant and unmarried -- moreover, that Bristol won&#039;t be getting married until next summer, after the baby is already born and technically &quot;illegitimate&quot;? None of your theory about how this could work is internally consistent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Henry,</p>
<p>So your plausible explanation for how this happened requires that:</p>
<p>- the entire Palin family lie about these events;<br />
- the staff, visitors and patients at the hospital where Trig was born lie about it;<br />
- Palin makes up a lengthy, elaborate story about her fluid leaking but deciding to get on a plane anyway (even though this story doesn&#8217;t make her look good at all);<br />
- this story is backed up by her physician;<br />
- no one who saw Bristol during the time Gov. Palin was pregnant is willing to tattle to the media about how Bristol was looking pregnant;<br />
- the Palins and Johnsons are lying about Bristol&#8217;s delivery date, because it would be impossible for her current pregnancy to end in December if she&#8217;d delivered a baby on April 18 (even if the due date is Dec. 31, the latest she could have conceived was April 13);<br />
- Bristol Palin is the 1 in 2000 chance of a 16-year-old&#8217;s having a Down&#8217;s baby, rather than Sarah Palin being the 1 in 50 chance of a 44 year old&#8217;s having a Down&#8217;s baby&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry, nothing that&#8217;s been put forward makes this sound much less silly than the &#8220;Obama wasn&#8217;t born in Hawaii&#8221; theorists. How much peer presure could Gov. Palin have been under to pretend that her daughter wasn&#8217;t pregnant a year ago, but suddenly she&#8217;s willing to reveal that Bristol is <i>currently</i> pregnant and unmarried &#8212; moreover, that Bristol won&#8217;t be getting married until next summer, after the baby is already born and technically &#8220;illegitimate&#8221;? None of your theory about how this could work is internally consistent.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My mom was at least as smart as Sarah Palin. She just had, at the time, that kind of prudish mentality about sexual matters that made it impossible NOT to lie about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom was at least as smart as Sarah Palin. She just had, at the time, that kind of prudish mentality about sexual matters that made it impossible NOT to lie about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PG, 
I&#039;m not really arguing here that Trig is, in fact, Bristol&#039;s child and not Gov. Palin&#039;s. I&#039;m just saying that it&#039;s not necessarily &quot;silly&quot;, &quot;dumb&quot;, or &quot;just like those crazy wingnuts&quot; to think it possible.
Again to use another example from my own whitetrash family: In 1966, my older sister found herself knocked up, and the guy responsible disappeared. My mom told me, my little sister, and all the neighbors that Kathy had been &quot;secretly married&quot; and that the father had gone to Atlanta to find a job. Obviously he never returned, and my nephew was born in my mom&#039;s house, where he lived until Kathy finally married a great guy when my nephew was 8 years old. It was pretty obvious, even at the time, that the &quot;secret marriage&quot; was a lie, but it was the best my mom (who was no dummy) could come up with, in her panic and embarrassment, at short notice. 
People do all kinds of irrational things when in the grip of peer pressure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PG,<br />
I&#8217;m not really arguing here that Trig is, in fact, Bristol&#8217;s child and not Gov. Palin&#8217;s. I&#8217;m just saying that it&#8217;s not necessarily &#8220;silly&#8221;, &#8220;dumb&#8221;, or &#8220;just like those crazy wingnuts&#8221; to think it possible.<br />
Again to use another example from my own whitetrash family: In 1966, my older sister found herself knocked up, and the guy responsible disappeared. My mom told me, my little sister, and all the neighbors that Kathy had been &#8220;secretly married&#8221; and that the father had gone to Atlanta to find a job. Obviously he never returned, and my nephew was born in my mom&#8217;s house, where he lived until Kathy finally married a great guy when my nephew was 8 years old. It was pretty obvious, even at the time, that the &#8220;secret marriage&#8221; was a lie, but it was the best my mom (who was no dummy) could come up with, in her panic and embarrassment, at short notice.<br />
People do all kinds of irrational things when in the grip of peer pressure.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,

Under your theory of how the Palin family thinks, they could have avoided the whole problem by having Bristol have the baby quietly while at home with &quot;mono&quot; and then put it up for adoption. No abortion necessary, and if they were in denial about Bristol&#039;s having gotten pregnant, why not get rid of the evidence as quickly as possible? Even Down&#039;s babies, so long as they&#039;re white newborns and otherwise healthy, are in demand as adopted kids in America. Keeping an *unwanted* baby around doesn&#039;t make much sense.

Gov. Palin came off as presumptuous about her abilities because she has led a pretty sheltered life, intellectually speaking. Judging by her parents, siblings, spouse, schools and places of residence, she may very well be one of the smartest people she knows simply because she has a good memory and is capable of some degree of abstract analysis when required to make a decision. (I&#039;m not even among the top three smartest people in my immediate family, and was at best average at the college and grad school I attended, which may be why the idea of &quot;not blinking&quot; and feeling certain one is ready to become president of the U.S. kind of blows my mind -- I know way too many people who are more capable than I am.)

Palin is not clever, but she is shrewd. For example, when running for mayor of Wasilla, she saw that the area was becoming more socially conservative and abandoning the old frontier libertarianism, and she tuned her campaign to match even though she couldn&#039;t do much about abortion or gun control as mayor. Until she became McCain&#039;s running mate, she probably didn&#039;t encounter many really bright people, so I&#039;m sure the questioning from Couric came as a shock. But I don&#039;t think it indicates that Palin is too dumb to figure out, at the time she&#039;s pulling her daughter out of school, that they had better decide what they&#039;re going to do when this baby appears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,</p>
<p>Under your theory of how the Palin family thinks, they could have avoided the whole problem by having Bristol have the baby quietly while at home with &#8220;mono&#8221; and then put it up for adoption. No abortion necessary, and if they were in denial about Bristol&#8217;s having gotten pregnant, why not get rid of the evidence as quickly as possible? Even Down&#8217;s babies, so long as they&#8217;re white newborns and otherwise healthy, are in demand as adopted kids in America. Keeping an *unwanted* baby around doesn&#8217;t make much sense.</p>
<p>Gov. Palin came off as presumptuous about her abilities because she has led a pretty sheltered life, intellectually speaking. Judging by her parents, siblings, spouse, schools and places of residence, she may very well be one of the smartest people she knows simply because she has a good memory and is capable of some degree of abstract analysis when required to make a decision. (I&#8217;m not even among the top three smartest people in my immediate family, and was at best average at the college and grad school I attended, which may be why the idea of &#8220;not blinking&#8221; and feeling certain one is ready to become president of the U.S. kind of blows my mind &#8212; I know way too many people who are more capable than I am.)</p>
<p>Palin is not clever, but she is shrewd. For example, when running for mayor of Wasilla, she saw that the area was becoming more socially conservative and abandoning the old frontier libertarianism, and she tuned her campaign to match even though she couldn&#8217;t do much about abortion or gun control as mayor. Until she became McCain&#8217;s running mate, she probably didn&#8217;t encounter many really bright people, so I&#8217;m sure the questioning from Couric came as a shock. But I don&#8217;t think it indicates that Palin is too dumb to figure out, at the time she&#8217;s pulling her daughter out of school, that they had better decide what they&#8217;re going to do when this baby appears.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me, I don&#039;t give a shit.</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is your hypothesis that they faked Bristol&#039;s having mono but didn&#039;t think through the plan enough to tell people Gov. Palin was pregnant?&quot;
Yes.
I think it is entirely possible that the whole family was in denial about this, that Bristol hid it as long as she could, and they cobbled together a story they hoped wouldn&#039;t get much scrutiny. And it might not have, had Sarah Palin had the sense to turn down McCain&#039;s offer. After all, it&#039;s plain that Gov. Palin is not real bright. She could easily be stupid enough to come up with a &quot;plan&quot; like that.
After all, they didn&#039;t &quot;think through&quot; the possibility that she would be asked tough questions by Katie Couric.
PG, I think you assume that other people are as smart as you. We&#039;re not. Most people just go through life hoping others don&#039;t discover how dumb they really are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is your hypothesis that they faked Bristol&#8217;s having mono but didn&#8217;t think through the plan enough to tell people Gov. Palin was pregnant?&#8221;<br />
Yes.<br />
I think it is entirely possible that the whole family was in denial about this, that Bristol hid it as long as she could, and they cobbled together a story they hoped wouldn&#8217;t get much scrutiny. And it might not have, had Sarah Palin had the sense to turn down McCain&#8217;s offer. After all, it&#8217;s plain that Gov. Palin is not real bright. She could easily be stupid enough to come up with a &#8220;plan&#8221; like that.<br />
After all, they didn&#8217;t &#8220;think through&#8221; the possibility that she would be asked tough questions by Katie Couric.<br />
PG, I think you assume that other people are as smart as you. We&#8217;re not. Most people just go through life hoping others don&#8217;t discover how dumb they really are.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Ayers’ actions weren’t the recent developments.

The slow, constantly-evolving story of his years and years of associations with Obama were the recent developments.&quot;

You are a fucking liar, Jay Tea. A liar or a moron, take your pick. 

Your timeline is fucking wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Ayers’ actions weren’t the recent developments.</p>
<p>The slow, constantly-evolving story of his years and years of associations with Obama were the recent developments.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are a fucking liar, Jay Tea. A liar or a moron, take your pick. </p>
<p>Your timeline is fucking wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not taking it at face value. I&#039;m weighing probabilities, and the likelihood of Down&#039;s Syndrome in a 16-year-old&#039;s baby versus a 44-year-old&#039;s baby requires a lot more to balance it out than Palin&#039;s just not wanting to tell people that she was pregnant. Also, why is Palin&#039;s not telling people for a while somehow adding to the evidence that it was Bristol who was pregnant? Is your hypothesis that they faked Bristol&#039;s having mono but didn&#039;t think through the plan enough to tell people Gov. Palin was pregnant? Again, walk me through a plausible version of this theory instead of just pointing to random facts. And I&#039;m fighting about this because to me, it&#039;s comparable to the &quot;Obama wasn&#039;t born in the U.S.&quot; theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not taking it at face value. I&#8217;m weighing probabilities, and the likelihood of Down&#8217;s Syndrome in a 16-year-old&#8217;s baby versus a 44-year-old&#8217;s baby requires a lot more to balance it out than Palin&#8217;s just not wanting to tell people that she was pregnant. Also, why is Palin&#8217;s not telling people for a while somehow adding to the evidence that it was Bristol who was pregnant? Is your hypothesis that they faked Bristol&#8217;s having mono but didn&#8217;t think through the plan enough to tell people Gov. Palin was pregnant? Again, walk me through a plausible version of this theory instead of just pointing to random facts. And I&#8217;m fighting about this because to me, it&#8217;s comparable to the &#8220;Obama wasn&#8217;t born in the U.S.&#8221; theory.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:07:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And it would be much more fun if the allegations were true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it would be much more fun if the allegations were true.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit it&#039;s not that likely, but the statistical likelihood of it being true increases with the weird confluence (congruence? conflation?) of the suspicious-looking stuff. The flight, the &quot;mononucleosis&quot;, the non-release of medical records, the fact her staff didn&#039;t know, the fact that their subculture demands chastity of its teens and that they often fail to meet that demand, and just the general hypocrisy and untrustworthiness Palin displayed in the campaign, all lead me to doubt her story.
While it&#039;s admirable of you to take her story at face value, I&#039;m more skeptical. I&#039;ve known too many of these churchlady types to trust their word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit it&#8217;s not that likely, but the statistical likelihood of it being true increases with the weird confluence (congruence? conflation?) of the suspicious-looking stuff. The flight, the &#8220;mononucleosis&#8221;, the non-release of medical records, the fact her staff didn&#8217;t know, the fact that their subculture demands chastity of its teens and that they often fail to meet that demand, and just the general hypocrisy and untrustworthiness Palin displayed in the campaign, all lead me to doubt her story.<br />
While it&#8217;s admirable of you to take her story at face value, I&#8217;m more skeptical. I&#8217;ve known too many of these churchlady types to trust their word.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The accumulated evidence regarding whether Sarah Palin or Bristol Palin was pregnant during the period October 2007 - April 2008 weighs in favor of Gov. Palin’s being pregnant.&lt;/i&gt;

Huh? What accumulated evidence, besides Sarah&#039;s denials, I mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The accumulated evidence regarding whether Sarah Palin or Bristol Palin was pregnant during the period October 2007 &#8211; April 2008 weighs in favor of Gov. Palin’s being pregnant.</i></p>
<p>Huh? What accumulated evidence, besides Sarah&#8217;s denials, I mean?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m hoping for someone to finally pull a 
&quot;Have you no decency, sir? At long last, have
you no decency left?&quot; on Limbaugh.

Michael &quot;I&#039;m a Weiner&quot; Savage and Ann &quot;I&#039;m Demented&quot;
Coulter - not so much.  We all KNOW they have
no decency left.  Or right, or center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m hoping for someone to finally pull a<br />
&#8220;Have you no decency, sir? At long last, have<br />
you no decency left?&#8221; on Limbaugh.</p>
<p>Michael &#8220;I&#8217;m a Weiner&#8221; Savage and Ann &#8220;I&#8217;m Demented&#8221;<br />
Coulter &#8211; not so much.  We all KNOW they have<br />
no decency left.  Or right, or center.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ed,

&lt;i&gt;Admit it dude, life’s much better when Trig is Bristol’s baby. Which he totally is.&lt;/i&gt;

No, my elitism drives me to want to be better than Republicans, and one way I indicate that I am better than Republicans is by pointing and laughing at their conspiracy theories (like Obama&#039;s having been born outside the U.S.) while policing the ones that come out of Democrats.

&lt;i&gt;PG, that’s a pointless comparison. I tend to write reactively, to developments and news stories and events. Ayers has been far, far more prominent than any Neo-Nazis have been.&lt;/i&gt;

Which is fine, but what has he done that&#039;s been prominent and noteworthy? Ayers hasn&#039;t done anything worth taking notice of since Fugitive Days was published in 2001. White supremacists were conspiring to assassinate Obama just a few weeks ago. Which has been mentioned more on JT&#039;s blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ed,</p>
<p><i>Admit it dude, life’s much better when Trig is Bristol’s baby. Which he totally is.</i></p>
<p>No, my elitism drives me to want to be better than Republicans, and one way I indicate that I am better than Republicans is by pointing and laughing at their conspiracy theories (like Obama&#8217;s having been born outside the U.S.) while policing the ones that come out of Democrats.</p>
<p><i>PG, that’s a pointless comparison. I tend to write reactively, to developments and news stories and events. Ayers has been far, far more prominent than any Neo-Nazis have been.</i></p>
<p>Which is fine, but what has he done that&#8217;s been prominent and noteworthy? Ayers hasn&#8217;t done anything worth taking notice of since Fugitive Days was published in 2001. White supremacists were conspiring to assassinate Obama just a few weeks ago. Which has been mentioned more on JT&#8217;s blog?</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duros 62,

Intelligent design gets traction because:

1) It fits into some people&#039;s ideological preferences;

2) It focuses on a few parts of the scientific record that haven&#039;t yet been fully explained by evolutionary theory to undermine that theory, even though it is supported by the overwhelming bulk of the scientific record;

3) None of us were eyewitnesses to evolution, so we can&#039;t say based on personal knowledge that God didn&#039;t intercede in the process. We only can say, &quot;That seems less plausible than evolution.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duros 62,</p>
<p>Intelligent design gets traction because:</p>
<p>1) It fits into some people&#8217;s ideological preferences;</p>
<p>2) It focuses on a few parts of the scientific record that haven&#8217;t yet been fully explained by evolutionary theory to undermine that theory, even though it is supported by the overwhelming bulk of the scientific record;</p>
<p>3) None of us were eyewitnesses to evolution, so we can&#8217;t say based on personal knowledge that God didn&#8217;t intercede in the process. We only can say, &#8220;That seems less plausible than evolution.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So, PG, all these assertions about probability are opinion, not fact. So saying “that’s just dumb” or “silly” actually IS in dispute.&lt;/i&gt;

Only inasmuch as there is a &quot;dispute&quot; about whether evolution occurred, since none of us were around to watch it happen. The accumulated scientific evidence weighs overwhelmingly in favor of evolution. The accumulated evidence regarding whether Sarah Palin or Bristol Palin was pregnant during the period October 2007 - April 2008 weighs in favor of Gov. Palin&#039;s being pregnant. Your theory that it *could* be Bristol&#039;s baby would require that everyone present in that hospital, including people who saw Gov. Palin walking up and down the corridor in hospital gown and the entire medical team assisting her delivery (as well as that assisting Bristol&#039;s) is lying about what happened. The big difference between your family in 1974 and Sarah Palin in 2008 is that I bet no one really gave a damn whose baby it was in your family, whereas anyone in that hospital who is willing to swear that Gov. Palin was not pregnant that day would be able to collect a ton of money from National Enquirer et al.

Palin wasn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;in labor&lt;/i&gt; during her flight. There&#039;s a difference between a leak of amniotic fluid and being in labor. That&#039;s what I find frustrating about discussing this with the &quot;it&#039;s Bristol&#039;s baby&quot; folks -- they don&#039;t seem to know much about pregnancy and delivery. It is not a good idea to get on a flight without going to see a doctor first if you are leaking amniotic fluid, but it&#039;s not the same as being in labor.

&lt;i&gt;By the way, wearing bulky clothes IN ALASKA is, I’ll bet, kinda common.&lt;/i&gt;

Sigh. As I already said, look at photos of Palin from, say, January 2007 when she was coming into the governor&#039;s office. Even in winter in Alaska, she doesn&#039;t normally pose for photos in bulky clothes; like most women who are in shape and not religiously prohibited from doing so, she wants to show a fit body. This should be even more true when she&#039;s appearing in VOGUE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So, PG, all these assertions about probability are opinion, not fact. So saying “that’s just dumb” or “silly” actually IS in dispute.</i></p>
<p>Only inasmuch as there is a &#8220;dispute&#8221; about whether evolution occurred, since none of us were around to watch it happen. The accumulated scientific evidence weighs overwhelmingly in favor of evolution. The accumulated evidence regarding whether Sarah Palin or Bristol Palin was pregnant during the period October 2007 &#8211; April 2008 weighs in favor of Gov. Palin&#8217;s being pregnant. Your theory that it *could* be Bristol&#8217;s baby would require that everyone present in that hospital, including people who saw Gov. Palin walking up and down the corridor in hospital gown and the entire medical team assisting her delivery (as well as that assisting Bristol&#8217;s) is lying about what happened. The big difference between your family in 1974 and Sarah Palin in 2008 is that I bet no one really gave a damn whose baby it was in your family, whereas anyone in that hospital who is willing to swear that Gov. Palin was not pregnant that day would be able to collect a ton of money from National Enquirer et al.</p>
<p>Palin wasn&#8217;t <i>in labor</i> during her flight. There&#8217;s a difference between a leak of amniotic fluid and being in labor. That&#8217;s what I find frustrating about discussing this with the &#8220;it&#8217;s Bristol&#8217;s baby&#8221; folks &#8212; they don&#8217;t seem to know much about pregnancy and delivery. It is not a good idea to get on a flight without going to see a doctor first if you are leaking amniotic fluid, but it&#8217;s not the same as being in labor.</p>
<p><i>By the way, wearing bulky clothes IN ALASKA is, I’ll bet, kinda common.</i></p>
<p>Sigh. As I already said, look at photos of Palin from, say, January 2007 when she was coming into the governor&#8217;s office. Even in winter in Alaska, she doesn&#8217;t normally pose for photos in bulky clothes; like most women who are in shape and not religiously prohibited from doing so, she wants to show a fit body. This should be even more true when she&#8217;s appearing in VOGUE.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros 62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The burden of proof for a claim that flies in the face of science always is on the person who is going against the statistical probability.&lt;/i&gt;

which always makes me wonder why Intelligent Design gets any traction at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The burden of proof for a claim that flies in the face of science always is on the person who is going against the statistical probability.</i></p>
<p>which always makes me wonder why Intelligent Design gets any traction at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/08/early-warning-shot-across-the-bow-to-the-msm-rush-limbaugh/#comment-126740</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, PG, all these assertions about probability are opinion, not fact. So saying &quot;that&#039;s just dumb&quot; or &quot;silly&quot; actually IS in dispute. Maybe the baby is actually due in January, and the claim will be that it&#039;s &quot;late.&quot; Maybe it is due in February and labor will be induced early. That&#039;s no more risky than an hours-long in-labor flight, is it?
In my extended N. FL family, a trick like this was done as recently as 1974. Everybody in the family knew, of course, but still the charade was attempted. Recently here in NC, a murder-suicide was the result of something like this being revealed when the child in question became an adult and learned the truth. This kind of thing has happened many times in so-called &quot;Christian conservative&quot; families.
Is the juicy story likely? I don&#039;t know. By the way, wearing bulky clothes IN ALASKA is, I&#039;ll bet, kinda common.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, PG, all these assertions about probability are opinion, not fact. So saying &#8220;that&#8217;s just dumb&#8221; or &#8220;silly&#8221; actually IS in dispute. Maybe the baby is actually due in January, and the claim will be that it&#8217;s &#8220;late.&#8221; Maybe it is due in February and labor will be induced early. That&#8217;s no more risky than an hours-long in-labor flight, is it?<br />
In my extended N. FL family, a trick like this was done as recently as 1974. Everybody in the family knew, of course, but still the charade was attempted. Recently here in NC, a murder-suicide was the result of something like this being revealed when the child in question became an adult and learned the truth. This kind of thing has happened many times in so-called &#8220;Christian conservative&#8221; families.<br />
Is the juicy story likely? I don&#8217;t know. By the way, wearing bulky clothes IN ALASKA is, I&#8217;ll bet, kinda common.</p>
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		<title>By: canadian bacon</title>
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		<dc:creator>canadian bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PG, that’s a pointless comparison. I tend to write reactively, to developments and news stories and events. Ayers has been far, far more prominent than any Neo-Nazis have been.

It depends on when and where you&#039;re looking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PG, that’s a pointless comparison. I tend to write reactively, to developments and news stories and events. Ayers has been far, far more prominent than any Neo-Nazis have been.</p>
<p>It depends on when and where you&#8217;re looking.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 03:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are there photos of Bristol from the same time where she’s got a big belly? &lt;/i&gt;

Of course not, silly, she was home from school for six months with &quot;mono.&quot; There are not photos of Bristol from that same time--big belly or no big belly. 

&lt;i&gt;Does she have some kind of miracle uterus that can gestate a near-term fetus simultaneously with an embryo?&lt;/i&gt;

Apparently. 

Admit it dude, life&#039;s much better when Trig is Bristol&#039;s baby. Which he totally is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are there photos of Bristol from the same time where she’s got a big belly? </i></p>
<p>Of course not, silly, she was home from school for six months with &#8220;mono.&#8221; There are not photos of Bristol from that same time&#8211;big belly or no big belly. </p>
<p><i>Does she have some kind of miracle uterus that can gestate a near-term fetus simultaneously with an embryo?</i></p>
<p>Apparently. </p>
<p>Admit it dude, life&#8217;s much better when Trig is Bristol&#8217;s baby. Which he totally is.</p>
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