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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125540</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>canadian bacon,

There is no liability for &quot;hate speech&quot; in the U.S., although speech can be used as evidence of bias when prosecuting a crime with bias as the motive, also known as a &quot;hate crime,&quot; just as speech can be used as evidence of motive for any other crime (&quot;Ladies and gentleman of the jury, here is a tape of the defendant saying he wanted his father&#039;s money, right before he pushed the victim down the stairs&quot;). Civil liability extends only to defamation, and it is very nearly impossible for a public figure, especially an elected official, to win a defamation lawsuit. That&#039;s part of why most elected officials don&#039;t bother, no matter how ridiculous the claims made about them are. 

I think our current First Amendment law is very good, and my only concern is that a conservative Supreme Court will push toward releasing commercial entities from an obligation to tell the truth in their advertising. The desire to give commercial speech the same protection as political, artistic, scientific and educational speech, as a means of avoiding regulation on advertising, has been bubbling up for a long time among Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>canadian bacon,</p>
<p>There is no liability for &#8220;hate speech&#8221; in the U.S., although speech can be used as evidence of bias when prosecuting a crime with bias as the motive, also known as a &#8220;hate crime,&#8221; just as speech can be used as evidence of motive for any other crime (&#8220;Ladies and gentleman of the jury, here is a tape of the defendant saying he wanted his father&#8217;s money, right before he pushed the victim down the stairs&#8221;). Civil liability extends only to defamation, and it is very nearly impossible for a public figure, especially an elected official, to win a defamation lawsuit. That&#8217;s part of why most elected officials don&#8217;t bother, no matter how ridiculous the claims made about them are. </p>
<p>I think our current First Amendment law is very good, and my only concern is that a conservative Supreme Court will push toward releasing commercial entities from an obligation to tell the truth in their advertising. The desire to give commercial speech the same protection as political, artistic, scientific and educational speech, as a means of avoiding regulation on advertising, has been bubbling up for a long time among Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125500</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is who they are.  Up next: &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081101/ap_on_fe_st/odd_halloween_politics&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stealing candy from babies.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mich. woman: Supporting Obama? No treats for you&lt;/b&gt;
GROSSE POINTE FARMS, Mich. – A suburban Detroit woman has decided to scare up the vote among neighborhood children by just offering treats to John McCain supporters.

Shirley Nagel of Grosse Pointe Farms, Mich., handed out candy Friday only to those who shared her support for the Republican presidential candidate and his running mate Sarah Palin. Others were turned away empty-handed.

TV station WJBK says a sign outside Nagel&#039;s house warned: &quot;No handouts for Obama supporters, liars, tricksters or kids of supporters.&quot;

Nagel calls Democrat Barack Obama &quot;scary.&quot; When asked about children who were turned away empty-handed and crying, she said: &quot;Oh well. Everybody has a choice.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, that will win people over to your side.  Make their children cry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is who they are.  Up next: <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081101/ap_on_fe_st/odd_halloween_politics" rel="nofollow">stealing candy from babies.</a></p>
<blockquote><p><b>Mich. woman: Supporting Obama? No treats for you</b><br />
GROSSE POINTE FARMS, Mich. – A suburban Detroit woman has decided to scare up the vote among neighborhood children by just offering treats to John McCain supporters.</p>
<p>Shirley Nagel of Grosse Pointe Farms, Mich., handed out candy Friday only to those who shared her support for the Republican presidential candidate and his running mate Sarah Palin. Others were turned away empty-handed.</p>
<p>TV station WJBK says a sign outside Nagel&#8217;s house warned: &#8220;No handouts for Obama supporters, liars, tricksters or kids of supporters.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nagel calls Democrat Barack Obama &#8220;scary.&#8221; When asked about children who were turned away empty-handed and crying, she said: &#8220;Oh well. Everybody has a choice.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, that will win people over to your side.  Make their children cry.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve LaBonne</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125446</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve LaBonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The goal should be to help the Republican party shrink itself into a pitiful regional party that can only win the deep South (quite possibly, minus Georgia!), Utah and Idaho. I think that&#039;s very achievable, and Obama&#039;s map will already take us a significant distance in that direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The goal should be to help the Republican party shrink itself into a pitiful regional party that can only win the deep South (quite possibly, minus Georgia!), Utah and Idaho. I think that&#8217;s very achievable, and Obama&#8217;s map will already take us a significant distance in that direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125429</link>
		<dc:creator>Thad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw a Joe Arpaio ad that was an absolutely jaw-dropping piece of race-baiting and fear-mongering -- straight up &quot;they&#039;re stealing our jobs and committing crimes; call the Sheriff if there&#039;s a suspected drophouse in our neighborhood&quot; stuff.

I can&#039;t believe I live in a place where a man who runs ads like that keeps getting re-elected in landslides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw a Joe Arpaio ad that was an absolutely jaw-dropping piece of race-baiting and fear-mongering &#8212; straight up &#8220;they&#8217;re stealing our jobs and committing crimes; call the Sheriff if there&#8217;s a suspected drophouse in our neighborhood&#8221; stuff.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe I live in a place where a man who runs ads like that keeps getting re-elected in landslides.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125427</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For years the GOP has been attacking the Dems for making multicultural appeals. The problem is, as the GOP was doing that, it began to lose the demographic war. Brand-wise, only one of the two national parties has proven its openness to people of all color. Yes, there is the occasional black Republican they push out in the press, but minorities who may even have issues with the Dems don&#039;t feel welcome in the party of Tom Tancredo and George Allen.

Frankly I would rather the GOP make a play for minorities so the Dems have some competition and don&#039;t get complacent, but with the Palin wing of the party likely to control things in the near future, I don&#039;t see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For years the GOP has been attacking the Dems for making multicultural appeals. The problem is, as the GOP was doing that, it began to lose the demographic war. Brand-wise, only one of the two national parties has proven its openness to people of all color. Yes, there is the occasional black Republican they push out in the press, but minorities who may even have issues with the Dems don&#8217;t feel welcome in the party of Tom Tancredo and George Allen.</p>
<p>Frankly I would rather the GOP make a play for minorities so the Dems have some competition and don&#8217;t get complacent, but with the Palin wing of the party likely to control things in the near future, I don&#8217;t see it.</p>
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		<title>By: sailerfraud</title>
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		<dc:creator>sailerfraud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there are millions of younger white males like you with a promissing future who vote progressive, not the decaying old geezers who are out of touch with the 21st century.

I recall whites vote around 55% Republican in Presidential elections, which leaves a solid 45% or so who vote Democrat.  And I&#039;m sure those whites who vote Democrat are younger, better educated, have good careers, and have more stable families and fulfilling lives.

White males who vote Republican tend to be old, eccentric, depressed, hateful, racist, and suicidal.  They often come from broken families and bitter divorces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there are millions of younger white males like you with a promissing future who vote progressive, not the decaying old geezers who are out of touch with the 21st century.</p>
<p>I recall whites vote around 55% Republican in Presidential elections, which leaves a solid 45% or so who vote Democrat.  And I&#8217;m sure those whites who vote Democrat are younger, better educated, have good careers, and have more stable families and fulfilling lives.</p>
<p>White males who vote Republican tend to be old, eccentric, depressed, hateful, racist, and suicidal.  They often come from broken families and bitter divorces.</p>
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		<title>By: canadian bacon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125424</link>
		<dc:creator>canadian bacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just mixing up a dough and heard that cunningham character slander Obama (again).  Some freakazoid called in to inform the ugly man of yet another Obama association - I missed the name but it had something to do with child molestation.  The ugly old white man then said that child molestation is way down on the list of Obama&#039;s friends.  The ugly little old man then went on to accuse Obama of endorsing the murder of millions of Jews.  I don&#039;t understand - is this not liable?  It can&#039;t be protected by the freedom of speech, can it?  This is crazy hate talk.  Perplexed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just mixing up a dough and heard that cunningham character slander Obama (again).  Some freakazoid called in to inform the ugly man of yet another Obama association &#8211; I missed the name but it had something to do with child molestation.  The ugly old white man then said that child molestation is way down on the list of Obama&#8217;s friends.  The ugly little old man then went on to accuse Obama of endorsing the murder of millions of Jews.  I don&#8217;t understand &#8211; is this not liable?  It can&#8217;t be protected by the freedom of speech, can it?  This is crazy hate talk.  Perplexed.</p>
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		<title>By: William Burton</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125423</link>
		<dc:creator>William Burton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that millions of white men, like myself, vote for progressive Democrats every election. 


Just as building a party entirely around white men is stupid, so would be building one without us at all. It would be just as stupid as ignoring minorities and almost as stupid as ignoring women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that millions of white men, like myself, vote for progressive Democrats every election. </p>
<p>Just as building a party entirely around white men is stupid, so would be building one without us at all. It would be just as stupid as ignoring minorities and almost as stupid as ignoring women.</p>
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		<title>By: sailerfraud</title>
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		<dc:creator>sailerfraud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link.  I linked to yours recently and it sure helps the traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link.  I linked to yours recently and it sure helps the traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125420</link>
		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 05:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who could have predicted people would be offended by righties defending segregation and calling people anchor babies and sand ticks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who could have predicted people would be offended by righties defending segregation and calling people anchor babies and sand ticks</p>
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		<title>By: the508s</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125418</link>
		<dc:creator>the508s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are few Americans that possess your clarity.  Please keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are few Americans that possess your clarity.  Please keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: All the cons</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/white-men-turn-out-the-lights/#comment-125417</link>
		<dc:creator>All the cons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re just lazy and want free stuff!

Hey, why won&#039;t you vote for us? Do you find that insulting in some way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re just lazy and want free stuff!</p>
<p>Hey, why won&#8217;t you vote for us? Do you find that insulting in some way?</p>
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