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		<title>By: datadave</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/joe-the-ubiquitous-presence-calls-obama-a-traitor/#comment-125596</link>
		<dc:creator>datadave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe the Plumber and Sarah the Barbie? Yeah, Man, thx to them Obama&#039;s going to landslide. 

Joe is a dumb tax cheating racist. Wow, and Sarah&#039;s extolling him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe the Plumber and Sarah the Barbie? Yeah, Man, thx to them Obama&#8217;s going to landslide. </p>
<p>Joe is a dumb tax cheating racist. Wow, and Sarah&#8217;s extolling him?</p>
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		<title>By: daniel rotter</title>
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		<dc:creator>daniel rotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 01:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Or calling Obama a terrorist or a socialist or a Muslim&quot;?

Or a walking advertisement for birth control like p.o.s. radio host Bill Cunningham saying that Obama wants to &quot;gas the Jews&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Or calling Obama a terrorist or a socialist or a Muslim&#8221;?</p>
<p>Or a walking advertisement for birth control like p.o.s. radio host Bill Cunningham saying that Obama wants to &#8220;gas the Jews&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/joe-the-ubiquitous-presence-calls-obama-a-traitor/#comment-125511</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;he could have a racist outburst on national newscast. … Or at least on Fox News.&lt;/i&gt;

You mean he hasn&#039;t already?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>he could have a racist outburst on national newscast. … Or at least on Fox News.</i></p>
<p>You mean he hasn&#8217;t already?</p>
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		<title>By: (: Tom :)</title>
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		<dc:creator>(: Tom :)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Jay, Nov 2nd, 2008 at 7:31 pm&lt;/i&gt; 

&lt;i&gt;Josh Marshall: Always willing to dole out a good heaping of stupid. “Extremist.” After listening to Marshall and his ilk call the President and his supporters every name in the book for the last 8 years, reading this hack calling somebody an “extremist” is pretty funny.&lt;/i&gt;

Is it almost as funny, exactly as funny, or funnier than listening to Republican&#039;ts chant &lt;i&gt;Yes, McCain - NO HUSSEIN!&lt;/i&gt;?  Or calling Obama a terrorist or a socialist or a Muslim?  

Just wondering how to properly categorize conservative &#039;humor&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Jay, Nov 2nd, 2008 at 7:31 pm</i> </p>
<p><i>Josh Marshall: Always willing to dole out a good heaping of stupid. “Extremist.” After listening to Marshall and his ilk call the President and his supporters every name in the book for the last 8 years, reading this hack calling somebody an “extremist” is pretty funny.</i></p>
<p>Is it almost as funny, exactly as funny, or funnier than listening to Republican&#8217;ts chant <i>Yes, McCain &#8211; NO HUSSEIN!</i>?  Or calling Obama a terrorist or a socialist or a Muslim?  </p>
<p>Just wondering how to properly categorize conservative &#8216;humor&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Okay, so are we officially done with Joe the scab plumber now? Please?&quot;

I hope he sticks around and becomes an even bigger embarrassment to the GOP. I figure if Obama wins big, as does the Democrats in Congress, he could have a racist outburst on national newscast. ... Or at least on Fox News.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Okay, so are we officially done with Joe the scab plumber now? Please?&#8221;</p>
<p>I hope he sticks around and becomes an even bigger embarrassment to the GOP. I figure if Obama wins big, as does the Democrats in Congress, he could have a racist outburst on national newscast. &#8230; Or at least on Fox News.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 14:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, so are we officially done with Joe the scab plumber now? Please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so are we officially done with Joe the scab plumber now? Please?</p>
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		<title>By: Tyro</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/joe-the-ubiquitous-presence-calls-obama-a-traitor/#comment-125426</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While McCain was right about Joe the Plumber -- he&#039;s a guy everyone is familiar with and knows -- the problem for McCain is that &lt;i&gt;nobody likes that guy&lt;/i&gt;.

Americans want &quot;change.&quot; Making a guy who sounds like a 90s-era Rush Limbaugh wannabe the centerpiece of your presidential campaign is not exactly going to appeal to voters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While McCain was right about Joe the Plumber &#8212; he&#8217;s a guy everyone is familiar with and knows &#8212; the problem for McCain is that <i>nobody likes that guy</i>.</p>
<p>Americans want &#8220;change.&#8221; Making a guy who sounds like a 90s-era Rush Limbaugh wannabe the centerpiece of your presidential campaign is not exactly going to appeal to voters.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/joe-the-ubiquitous-presence-calls-obama-a-traitor/#comment-125419</link>
		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe doesn&#039;t pay his taxes while the Ohio National Guard has to go without the items they need. &quot;It&#039;s better to leave your wife after a car accident than to be half black&quot;-Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe doesn&#8217;t pay his taxes while the Ohio National Guard has to go without the items they need. &#8220;It&#8217;s better to leave your wife after a car accident than to be half black&#8221;-Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/11/02/joe-the-ubiquitous-presence-calls-obama-a-traitor/#comment-125416</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh come on, Jay may be wrong but enough with the traffic wars. There are some dumb muthaf***as out there with more traffic than I-5 on labor day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, Jay may be wrong but enough with the traffic wars. There are some dumb muthaf***as out there with more traffic than I-5 on labor day.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtEP3ROE4zw&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A G.O.P. PSA on socialism.&lt;/A&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtEP3ROE4zw" rel="nofollow">A G.O.P. PSA on socialism.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay&#039;s basically a coward, among other things.  Point out how full of shit he is and he does a vanishing act.

BTW, how&#039;s your blog&#039;s traffic these days compared to TPM&#039;s?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay&#8217;s basically a coward, among other things.  Point out how full of shit he is and he does a vanishing act.</p>
<p>BTW, how&#8217;s your blog&#8217;s traffic these days compared to TPM&#8217;s?</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Three examples, please. Thanks in advance.&quot;

Don&#039;t hold your breath. The man might be medically incapable of backing up his claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Three examples, please. Thanks in advance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t hold your breath. The man might be medically incapable of backing up his claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody fed him that. No doubt in my mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somebody fed him that. No doubt in my mind.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 03:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;After listening to Marshall and his ilk call the President and his supporters every name in the book for the last 8 years, reading this hack calling somebody an “extremist” is pretty funny.&lt;/i&gt;

Three examples, please. Thanks in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>After listening to Marshall and his ilk call the President and his supporters every name in the book for the last 8 years, reading this hack calling somebody an “extremist” is pretty funny.</i></p>
<p>Three examples, please. Thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: mambochicken23</title>
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		<dc:creator>mambochicken23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>August FTW!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>August FTW!!!</p>
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		<title>By: fafroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>fafroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Josh Marshall: Always willing to dole out a good heaping of stupid.&quot;

Jay, you&#039;ve long since lost any shred or credibility or rationality. You&#039;re just embarrassing yourself now. 

&quot;Joe the Plumber&quot; said that Obama&#039;s &quot;ideology is completely different than what democracy stands for&quot; and you respond to this by attacking Josh Marshall for calling Bush names. Sheesh. Do you agree with &quot;Joe,&quot; Jay? Do you agree that Obama&#039;s &quot;ideology is completely different that what democracy stands for&quot;? 

Can you name a single Obama policy that is opposed to democracy or otherwise &quot;completely different&quot; from it? 

I can name a number of actual, real policy decisions made by Bush that run counter to an open, democratic society, everything from warantless surveilance of American citizens to torture to indefinite detention. 

There&#039;s calling people names and then there&#039;s calling people out. Marshall and a lot of other journalists have been doing the latter for eight years. 

&quot;Joe the Plumber,&quot; on the other hand, well, how would you characterize what he said, Jay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Josh Marshall: Always willing to dole out a good heaping of stupid.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jay, you&#8217;ve long since lost any shred or credibility or rationality. You&#8217;re just embarrassing yourself now. </p>
<p>&#8220;Joe the Plumber&#8221; said that Obama&#8217;s &#8220;ideology is completely different than what democracy stands for&#8221; and you respond to this by attacking Josh Marshall for calling Bush names. Sheesh. Do you agree with &#8220;Joe,&#8221; Jay? Do you agree that Obama&#8217;s &#8220;ideology is completely different that what democracy stands for&#8221;? </p>
<p>Can you name a single Obama policy that is opposed to democracy or otherwise &#8220;completely different&#8221; from it? </p>
<p>I can name a number of actual, real policy decisions made by Bush that run counter to an open, democratic society, everything from warantless surveilance of American citizens to torture to indefinite detention. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s calling people names and then there&#8217;s calling people out. Marshall and a lot of other journalists have been doing the latter for eight years. </p>
<p>&#8220;Joe the Plumber,&#8221; on the other hand, well, how would you characterize what he said, Jay?</p>
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		<title>By: August J. Pollak</title>
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		<dc:creator>August J. Pollak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 01:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Tea challenging Josh Marshall&#039;s intelligence and political insight is like John Gacy saying Ronald McDonald doesn&#039;t really look like a clown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Tea challenging Josh Marshall&#8217;s intelligence and political insight is like John Gacy saying Ronald McDonald doesn&#8217;t really look like a clown.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tyro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve finally concluded that the reason that Obama&#039;s call for &quot;change&quot; in our politics resonates is because &lt;i&gt;people are tired of hearing crap like this from people like Joe the Plumber&lt;/i&gt;. Talking points lemmings like Joe and Jay and Jay Tea &lt;i&gt;are the precise sort of things Americans are voting for Obama to repudiate&lt;/i&gt;. They represent the &quot;smallness of our politics.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve finally concluded that the reason that Obama&#8217;s call for &#8220;change&#8221; in our politics resonates is because <i>people are tired of hearing crap like this from people like Joe the Plumber</i>. Talking points lemmings like Joe and Jay and Jay Tea <i>are the precise sort of things Americans are voting for Obama to repudiate</i>. They represent the &#8220;smallness of our politics.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
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		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe the Plumber doesn&#039;t believe in even the flat tax, much less the progressive tax system that is the only federal income tax system we&#039;ve had in the U.S.; nor in Social Security; and now he says he doubts Obama&#039;s &quot;loyalty to America.&quot; How about one of the conservative commenters here actually defend JtP&#039;s remarks instead of shooting the messenger?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe the Plumber doesn&#8217;t believe in even the flat tax, much less the progressive tax system that is the only federal income tax system we&#8217;ve had in the U.S.; nor in Social Security; and now he says he doubts Obama&#8217;s &#8220;loyalty to America.&#8221; How about one of the conservative commenters here actually defend JtP&#8217;s remarks instead of shooting the messenger?</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 00:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember Jay pooh-poohing Marshall when TPM started covering the US attorney scandal. So, take his attacks on Marshall with a grain of salt. I suspect Jay is pre-grumpy in advance of Tuesday&#039;s likely bad news for his side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember Jay pooh-poohing Marshall when TPM started covering the US attorney scandal. So, take his attacks on Marshall with a grain of salt. I suspect Jay is pre-grumpy in advance of Tuesday&#8217;s likely bad news for his side.</p>
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