National party, localized.
An email sent by Hillsborough County Republican Party chairman David Storck has some local party supporters claiming it’s racist.
The email, written by a volunteer at the party’s Temple Terrace office, was forwarded by Storck to hundreds of party members. It says, in part, “I see carloads of black Obama supporters coming from the inner city to cast their votes for Obama. This is their chance to get a black president and they seem to care little that he is at minimum, socialist, and probably Marxist in his core beliefs. After all, he is black–no experience or accomplishments–but he is black.”
Black people voting? In groups?!?
Hell yeah, baby! Gonna party like it’s 1865!
Wait a minute
we can vote?
swhen did that happen?
Why is this a surprise to anyone?
McCain’s entire campaign is now based around the hope* that working class whites are too racist to vote for a black man. He has no other message left.
Note also that the scary, scary blacks are coming out of their ghettos to vote (thus making the Republicans nervous). This is because the Florida legislature voted a few years ago to close a lot of the early voting locations. Oddly, they didn’t close the polling places in rich, white areas……
*See, they have candidacy based on hope too
It is hardly a bigot eruption to note that many blacks are voting for Barack for no other reason than his color. That his socialism doesn’t bother them is hardly surprising since they stand to gain from the expansion of the welfare state and the redistribution of other peoples money.
That’s right we can’t be bothered with the issues, we simply look at the color of their skin and say “I’m voting for the brotha”. I guess that’s why Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton won their bids for POTUS by such remarkable numbers when they ran. Right now I’m torn between voting for Cynthia McKinney (two points because she’s black AND a woman OMG!) and Barack Obama…seriously.
/sarcasm
OMG- Tuesday, I am going to see carloads of white Obama supporters coming in from the backwoods of VT to our small towns to cast their vote for Obama. Dang anti-racists here.
I can’t say such efforts surprise me. I had the misfortune to live in Hillsborough County for a bit when I was younger. It is one of the few places where the racism is almost as bad as that of my home state of Mississippi.
I think it is desperation. McCain should read his history. The election of 1824 was very much like the 2000 election where a Tennessee Democrat lost to a well-placed rival. The 1828 was then a landslide for the Democrats in response to it. More Americans than ever voted in the 1828 election and overwhelmingly elected Jackson in spite of the personal attacks leveled at him. McCain would have been better served by sticking to the high road. He still probably would have lost, but at least we wouldn’t think so badly of him.
The question is, what now? Are the Republicans going to admit the religious and racist nuts are driving their party off a cliff, or are they going to continue to pander to such idiocy.
It never ceases to amaze me how stupid and racist some of these local party offical can be. The Sacramento CA webiste, that flier (or whatever it was from that Republican’s women’s group.
But I don’t see this a McCain oriented per se. It’s down on the local level – which is worse because it can be under the radar, it will continue well after the election, and because it is so endemic to certain types of people. I wonder what else is going on right now throughout the country.
I went on my own rampage on people who have decided to vote against Obama because of his race:
http://thoughtsfromvintonave.wordpress.com/2008/10/28/race-and-morons/
There’s far too many.
Amused Observer: It is hardly a bigot eruption to note that many blacks are voting for Barack for no other reason than his color. That his socialism doesn’t bother them is hardly surprising since they stand to gain from the expansion of the welfare state and the redistribution of other peoples money.
Yes, because it’s so much more enlightened to just stereotype people and make assumptions based on their race. Because, you know, some of those blacks are voting for Obama because he’s black so one must assume they all are.
That his socialism doesn’t bother them is hardly surprising since they stand to gain from the expansion of the welfare state and the redistribution of other peoples money.
Actually, his socialism doesn’t bother them because he’s not actually a socialist.
But thanks for your post. I was able fill up half of my empty talking points bingo card.
Yet another great reason to vote NotRepublican.
Wow. Just, wow.
So AO, are you saying – is this guy in the email saying – that these folks would have voted for Sen. McCain if Barack Obama had instead been Barry O’Malley, with ancestry in Cork instead of Kenya?
Or do African Americans tend to generally support (emphasis on generally, leave us not go casting blanket assumptions on millions of people) liberals/Democrats?
I only voted for John Kerry, Al Gore and Bill Clinton because they were white.
I only voted for John Kerry, Al Gore and Bill Clinton because they were white.
Seriously, Amused Observer’s belief that blacks are voting for Obama just because of his race is just obviously unsupportable. It doesn’t possess even the barest hint of logic or reasonableness.
I would imagine that that belief stems from Sen. Obama’s widespread support among African-Americans in the primaries. To that my reply would be two-fold: 1) People might base their support on otherwise irrelevant cosmetic issues if other things are generally equal; and 2) those ‘other things’ weren’t really totally equal during the primaries. Sen. Obama was slightly to the left of Sen. Clinton on most issues(or quite a bit to the left on some others, as in the more open-door approach to diplomacy).
The real test of AO’s belief would be a white liberal democrat v. a black conservative republican, and whether African-Americans would then, as AO and many others seem to believe, move to the GOP en masse. My guess is a tiny minority of centrists might but it’d be hardly a blip in the percentages.
I was able fill up half of my empty talking points bingo card.
Where do you get those?
I hate and fear all brown people. I think they want to take my hard-earned money to spend on Olde English 800 before they deflower white women.
“I only voted for John Kerry, Al Gore and Bill Clinton because they were white.”
How many times do I have to say this? “White” isn’t a race. It just “is.” That’s why white people are color blind and race doesn’t affect any of their decisions. It isn’t this obvious?
You know, AO, if you could just get over your race-based prejudices, admit that the guy is not a commie pinko Marxist-Socialist-Fascist and actually listen to what he has to say, and weigh that against what Angry Johnny is trying to sell you, you might actually come to a realization that Obama honestly believes in this country.
Let’s make common sense common again.
…and actually listen to what he has to say,…
Back in high school during an election year’s primary season the teacher handed out a collection of position statements on a number of issues. Here’s a short paragraph from each candidate on what they would do regarding taxes. Here’s their positions on gun control. On the UN. On half a dozen or more issues of the day.
Each person in the class read these and then selected who they would vote for. The candidates were not identified by name.
It was an interesting and eye-opening exercise for a group not yet able to vote who tended to follow (as many kids do) the political views of their parents without really evaluating candidates.
I’m convinced that if the election were actually held this way, if you voted not for a person but rather indicated somehow how you felt on a number of issues an then your vote goes to the best match, that a lot of people would be amazed at who they actually ended up voting for.
And I’m fairly certain most of the amazed folks would be conservatives who end up voting for Democrats.
MSNBC had something like that during the primaries. Kind of glad the election isn’t run that way. Otherwise, MSNBC says I would have voted for Mike Gravel!
Sean,
Similarly, I recently saw a quiz which asked A) which Presidential candidate proposed reviving the economy by, among other things, raising corporate and inheritance taxes? B) Which candidate stated that would put us on the road to socialism?
A) Hoover
B) Roosevelt
MSNBC had something like that during the primaries
Yeah, there were several places online I saw that did something like this. I always find it, as I did back in school, rather eye-opening. It always gives me something to think about.
I’m suppose folks like Amused Observer and Jay et al would take something like this, find out they actually prefer a Democrat, and figure that clearly the thing is rigged.
these folks would have voted for Sen. McCain if Barack Obama had instead been Barry O’Malley, with ancestry in Cork instead of Kenya?
Cork Instead Of Kenya? Sounds like a good name for an alt-indie band.
The consensus here seems to be that the transfer of public money through the provision of a “tax cut” to millions of Americans who currently pay no taxes does not fit into the patterns of ideology loosely defined as socialism. When Obama speaks of spreading the wealth he is doing so by the expansion of the welfare state.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul is always more popular with Paul than Peter. It was noted early on that a great threat to liberty existed in the ability of a majority to vote itself benefits paid for out of the public purse.
Obama seems to clearly indicate an interest in increasing the numbers of Americans who are receiving public subsidies. I find this to be counter to the premises of individual liberty and freedom that this country was founded upon.
AO,
The consensus here seems to be that the transfer of public money through the provision of a “tax cut” to millions of Americans who currently pay no taxes does not fit into the patterns of ideology loosely defined as socialism. When Obama speaks of spreading the wealth he is doing so by the expansion of the welfare state.
I just assumed Obama was an acolyte of Milton Friedman, who popularized the idea of a “negative income tax.” Or are you saying Milton Friedman was a socialist? Because that would be hawt.
How did that jackass in Florida know the cars were coming from the inner city? From the tone of his email, I would have thought all the blacks there lived on the plantations.
Why are they all piling into cars to go vote anyway? Don’t they have polling places in their neighborhood? Shouldn’t the jackass be happy that all those silly, deluded blacks are going to disenfranchise themselves by voting in his white suburb, instead of their registered “inner city” precinct?
This email is just 2008’s version of the centuries-old ‘negro uprising’ incitement.
And, BTW, I look forward to A.O. explaining how anyone who is working a job is paying “no taxes.” I love fantasy and science fiction.
the provision of a “tax cut” to millions of Americans who currently pay no taxes
Millions of Americans who pay no taxes? I call, AO.
Who pays no taxes?
AO, I’m one of those who stands to benefit from Obama’s tax plan.
I support a family of 5 on about $50,000 a year. I pay sales tax, gasoline taxes, property taxes, an insurance tax (one of the few means our small town has of raising revenue), a school taxes, state income tax, and FICA. And yes, after deductions my federal tax burden is zero.
I’m also willing to bet that I pay a higher percentage of my net income for FICA than most people, considering that that particular tax phases out at $102,000.
I guess 12 years of schooling to get a PhD and working my butt off at a small liberal arts college that goes out of its way to make sure poor kids from Appalachia get a decent education makes me a good for nothing’ welfare queen.
Amused Observer: “It is hardly a bigot eruption to note that many blacks are voting for Barack for no other reason than his color.”
It is racist to assume they are voting for him because of his skin color.
“That his socialism doesn’t bother them is hardly surprising since they stand to gain from the expansion of the welfare state and the redistribution of other peoples money.”
Wow. You are so fucking racist you should be embarrassed. However, you are too stupid to be embarrassed.
When Obama speaks of spreading the wealth he is doing so by the expansion of the welfare state.
No he is not.
Better we should spread the wealth around Wall Street, yes? I just heard on NPR that many banks owe almost $40 Billion to executives for salaries and pensions. So the government hand-out to them doesn’t go to shoring up the bank or allowing them to make new loans. It goes right into their pocket.
That’s not socialism?
Those are the people who would see an increase in their tax burden, not you, or most likely anyone who reads this. So in effect, the government loans them the money, they pocket it and pay it back in higher tax rates. That tax revenue funds the middle class tax cuts Obama’s been talking about, effectively giving it back to the taxpayers.
Like I’ve said before economics is better than Ambien for me, but even I can get this.
“It is hardly a bigot eruption to note that many blacks are voting for Barack for no other reason than his skin color.”
AO knows this because he can read the minds of black people.
“That his socialism doesn’t bother them is hardly surprising since they stand to gain from the expansion of the welfare state and the redistribution of other people’s money.”
See, because all of them Negroes are shiftless and lazy and want something for nothing, and white people work hard and they don’t. And they carry knives.
And they will cut you…..
PG,
That would be hot if Obama shared many views with good old Uncle Miltie. He does not as you very well know. It is intellectually dishonest of you to try to portray Milton Friedman’s position on a “negative” income tax in that light. You are sir, quite simply put, either a liar or a fool.
Quoting Milton on pg 113 of his book Free to Choose,
“The negative income tax would be a satisfactory reform only if it replaces the host of other specific programs we now have.” I’d be Obama’s biggest fan if he stood for anything that appealed to Friedman.
The taxes referred to in Barack’s socialist scheme are income taxes. Wealthy folks get theirs raised again, most voters get theirs lowered or “rebated”. Many voters without sufficient income get “rebates” on the taxes they never paid. Some of these voters are already receiving public subsidies of one type or another. The common thread here is the increasing size of the welfare state and the way Obama penalizes a minority to gain favor with an ever increasing majority of voters receiving subsidies.
Strowbridge’s thoughts on my alleged racism are brilliantly construed. When a man’s desire is to be treated the same in a Constitutionally neutral he will have my respect as a fellow American. When a man wants to corrode the Constitution and use race as a means to get special treatment I do not consider that an American value.
“Strowbridge’s thoughts on my alleged racism are brilliantly construed.”
Shut the fuck up, you racist piece of shit.
Your thoughts don’t matter, because you don’t matter.
You shouldn’t be treated as equal, because you are not equal. You are a racist piece of shit.
By the way, everyone pays taxes. You would know that if you were smart enough to realize there are more taxes out there than income taxes. But no, you are fucking racist piece of shit, and a fucking moron as well.
Strowbridge,
You’ve lost your ability for critical thought dude. The topic is cash back on income taxes never paid. Obama Socialism, buying votes by increasing the size of the welfare state.
Your allegations of racism are unfounded and make you appear quite unhinged. I believe in a colorblind Republic as defined by the Constitution. Further more I believe Socialism to be an unamerican concept.
We may very well be stuck with an Obama administration. Hopefully he won’t be able to hurt the Republic for more than a generation or so. We survived FDR and Carter.
It is amazing in the country that is supposed to be the “worlds best” that the only reason some people feel that Blacks are voting for Obama is his skin color alone. The truth is that most of the people, black and otherwise, that I know that are voting for Obama because they are sick and tired of the tired rhetoric of the past candidates and presidents who only succeeded in lining their pockets, along with the large corporations, while John Q. Public gets raped repeatedly (Hypothetically).
Now I will give credence to the idea that some blacks are voting for him simply because he is black, but would not that lend credence to, some whites are voting for McCain simply because he is white? and may I ask why is it that blacks supporting a black presidential candidate so wrong in the first place?
I am voting for Obama because I HAVE listened to the facts, not innuendo, but had Hillary won I would have voted for her against McCain. I like a lot of other voters just don’t like his message or manner.
America grow up, we are on the same team. United we stand divided we fall. Checked the United States standing in the world lately? Unity will help get it back on track (ideally).
I am not mad at the whites who are supporting their candidate because of his color, nor am I at the blacks supporting their candidate because of his color. I have learned that a lot of people who would not do the homework on the candidates only have rhetoric and conjecture to go on, so color will be an issue; but please do not discredit those of us who have, and simply have made a choice, even if it is different from yours.
I assume some who read this are voting for McCain; I am not accusing all those people of voting for him because of his color, and I respectfully request they return the favor. Being pro white, or pro black is not necessarily wrong, bigotry and racism are the traits we abhor, dressed in white or black. So to set the record straight, yes I am Black, yes I am educated, and yes I am voting for Obama, but not because of his color but because of what I perceive as his strengths. In closing I would like to ask one simple question, Are the whites who are voting for Obama also voting for him because he is black? absurd? so is assuming that all blacks are voting for Obama because he is black. We don’t always have to agree on everything, we have choices, and I choose to end the hatred now. So go and vote as you will, IT’S AMERICA.
No, we “survived” Hoover, and FDR rescued us from Hoover-style laissez-faire capitalism, then led the fight against fascism that wouldn’t have been fought by a conservative.
And Carter, for all his faults, had an intelligent energy program. Had we listened to Jimmy Carter THIRTY FUCKING YEARS AGO we might not be in the mess we’re in now.
In the 1972 race, it was common for conservatives to claim that McGovern’s support for EITC was “socialism.” Nixon wound up getting it passed. Heh heh. We survived Nixon.
AO, read a book sometime that wasn’t published by Regnery Press.
And Strowbridge, for all his “unhinged” appearance, has it right, AO.
You claim blacks are voting for Obama because of skin color w/o a shred of evidence OTHER THAN SKIN COLOR. Then you claim blacks “stand to gain” from Obama’s “socialist” policies as if all blacks were lazy freeloaders waiting for the dole.
These two claims reveal a mile-wide racist streak in you, dude. If you can’t see it, you are just as blissfully un-self-aware as Sarah Palin. God help you.
Brucie,
Give FDR props for being willing to try but serious students of history credit him with prolonging the Depression not shortening it. His bankrupt ideas helped create modern welfare state. Barack’s socialism reeks of FDR.
Nothing sums up the failure of the Carter Administration better than the hostage crisis. It’s hard to think of a worse US President. We are still paying a high price for Carter’s failure. It is quite conceivable that we could have skipped much of the unpleasantness in the Mid East if Carter had crushed Iran after their acts of war against us. Instead our Muslim enemies were emboldened by our ineffectual weakness.
Your concern about reading material is noted. Might I suggest the previously mentioned “Free to Choose” by Milton Friedman, published by Harcourt Brace Jovanovich. It will give you a grasp of how different economic models actually succeed or fail in the real world. What really happens, not the airbrushed theory.
Your remarks about blacks support of Barack, skin color, etc. LOL give me a break!
“You’ve lost your ability for critical thought dude.”
Shut the fuck up, you racist piece of shit. You are clearly racist based on your remarks in this thread. You can backpedal all you want, but it won’t change what you said.
You. Are. Racist.
You are so racist, that you can’t even tell you are racist anymore.
AO,
Before you call me either a liar or a fool, please explain how Obama’s plan to send more money back to some taxpayers than they had paid in federal income taxes is not a “negative income tax.” In your name-calling and one-sentence quote from Friedman, you neglected that little detail.
Also, PLEASE have the GOP adopt your ideas and run against the legacy of the New Deal. (In actuality, the New Deal legislation that is criticized for extending the Depression — antitrust exemptions that permitted wage controls and price fixing and trade protectionism — was ended by the end of WWII.) Please have the GOP say that if elected, they will end the SEC, FDIC and Social Security, programs that outlived the short-term emergency of the Depression. That would be awesome.
PG,
LOL, That large group of trees that is blocking your view, sometimes those are called forests.
It’s kind of cute how you shoehorn the negative income tax thing in. We can debate the minutia of New Deal liberalism but you can’t possibly be serious about Obama and Milton sharing economic philosophies.
Your point about tying the GOP politically to rooting out various New Deal Dinasours is well made.
Obama is poised to make the problem many times bigger. Increasing the size and scope of the welfare state is a bad idea and bad for America. We didn’t build this fine nation by living off the Govt. sugar tit.
“Obama is poised to make the problem many times bigger.”
Ummm… I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out in the past, but you are a fucking idiot. Your opinion doesn’t matter, because you are stupid. You wouldn’t ask advice on buying a car from someone who thinks cars run on magical pixie dust. Likewise, there’s no reason to listen to your opinions on these matters.
So shut the fuck you, you racist piece of shit.
Strowbridge, I don’t know if AO is a “piece of shit” as you put it, but his racism is plain for all to see.
When called upon to defend specific comments he made on this thread, his oh so sufuckingperior counter-argument was, and I quote, “LOL, give me a break.”
So, when he says “blacks are voting for Obama because of his skin color” and “they stand to gain…from the redistribution of other peoples money”, that’s not racist because, LOL, give him a break.
AO, you might not be able to see it, but others very clearly can.
I’m 54 fucking years old. I’ve lived in the South all my life. If AO thinks I can’t recognize an “I’m not racist but” kind of racist, he has another think coming. I’m tired of NOT calling these people out when I hear this garbage. I’m with Strowbridge. Fuck ‘em.
The former follows logically from the latter as far as I’m concerned.