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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-124123</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grumpyman: &lt;i&gt;At one time in my life I worked with law enforcement.
And it is not an oversimplification it is fact that they only bring cases up that the can win.
Guilt or innocence is has nothing to do with it.

They see the world very simplistically (Us vs them) &lt;/i&gt;

I feel extremely sorry for the folks in your area who had to deal with officers and/or prosecutors who apparently cared little for the principles they supposedly upheld.  They were not well served.

I, too, have worked with law enforcement at various times.  My experience was significantly different than yours.  While pragmatism played a role in decisions it was, with very few notable exceptions, not allowed to overrule a sense of justice.  I have seen cases tried that were &quot;unwinnable&quot; because the attempt had to be made.  I have seen plea bargains err on the side of compassion because the felon or circumstances didn&#039;t deserve the full penalty that could have been levied at them.  And I have rarely seen any situation that was simplistic or treated as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpyman: <i>At one time in my life I worked with law enforcement.<br />
And it is not an oversimplification it is fact that they only bring cases up that the can win.<br />
Guilt or innocence is has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>They see the world very simplistically (Us vs them) </i></p>
<p>I feel extremely sorry for the folks in your area who had to deal with officers and/or prosecutors who apparently cared little for the principles they supposedly upheld.  They were not well served.</p>
<p>I, too, have worked with law enforcement at various times.  My experience was significantly different than yours.  While pragmatism played a role in decisions it was, with very few notable exceptions, not allowed to overrule a sense of justice.  I have seen cases tried that were &#8220;unwinnable&#8221; because the attempt had to be made.  I have seen plea bargains err on the side of compassion because the felon or circumstances didn&#8217;t deserve the full penalty that could have been levied at them.  And I have rarely seen any situation that was simplistic or treated as such.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Here’s how it’ll go down…&quot;

I don&#039;t think #1 will happen, but #6 is nearly guaranteed at this point. She honestly thinks she is fit to be president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here’s how it’ll go down…&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think #1 will happen, but #6 is nearly guaranteed at this point. She honestly thinks she is fit to be president.</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpymann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpymann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 12:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean D. Martin
At one time in my life I worked with law enforcement. 
And it is not an oversimplification it is fact that they only bring cases up that the can win. 
Guilt or innocence is has nothing to do with it.

They see the world very simplistically (Us vs them) anyone that is accused of a crime is usually guilty. Why not play games with the system to &quot;Get a win&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean D. Martin<br />
At one time in my life I worked with law enforcement.<br />
And it is not an oversimplification it is fact that they only bring cases up that the can win.<br />
Guilt or innocence is has nothing to do with it.</p>
<p>They see the world very simplistically (Us vs them) anyone that is accused of a crime is usually guilty. Why not play games with the system to &#8220;Get a win&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Mylegacy</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-124044</link>
		<dc:creator>Mylegacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s how it&#039;ll go down...

1) Get Steven&#039;s re-elected.
2) He goes to jail and resigns OR is kicked out by the Senate.
3) By Alaskan LAW a replacement ELECTION has to be called.
4) Palin runs and wins.
5) Palin WOWS Washington till 2012.
6) Palin runs for PRESIDENT IN 2012.
7) Palin WINS!
8) The Godless Socialist hoards have been slain. The world is once again safe for Democracy and Wars without End! America is saved.
9) Me and millions of other Americas flee to Canada. Ah...fresh air at last!

I gotta get me another scotch - 18 year old single malt, please. AH - now I feel better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s how it&#8217;ll go down&#8230;</p>
<p>1) Get Steven&#8217;s re-elected.<br />
2) He goes to jail and resigns OR is kicked out by the Senate.<br />
3) By Alaskan LAW a replacement ELECTION has to be called.<br />
4) Palin runs and wins.<br />
5) Palin WOWS Washington till 2012.<br />
6) Palin runs for PRESIDENT IN 2012.<br />
7) Palin WINS! <img src='http://www.oliverwillis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> The Godless Socialist hoards have been slain. The world is once again safe for Democracy and Wars without End! America is saved.<br />
9) Me and millions of other Americas flee to Canada. Ah&#8230;fresh air at last!</p>
<p>I gotta get me another scotch &#8211; 18 year old single malt, please. AH &#8211; now I feel better.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-124028</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Tying Stevens to Palin might be tricky.&quot;

... Are you fucking kidding? 

She worked for his 527. 

That&#039;s a pretty strong connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Tying Stevens to Palin might be tricky.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; Are you fucking kidding? </p>
<p>She worked for his 527. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty strong connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The verdict is more proof that Barack Obama will stop at nothing!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The verdict is more proof that Barack Obama will stop at nothing!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bijan C. Bayne</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-124006</link>
		<dc:creator>Bijan C. Bayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 23:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Tea wrote:

&quot;...Tying Stevens to Palin might be tricky. She backed his unsuccessful challenger in the Republican primary this year...&quot;

That&#039;s pretty inside baseball Jay Tea, I doubt if many of our voters realize that. We&#039;re talking about an electorate of whom 12% believe Obama is a Muslim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Tea wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Tying Stevens to Palin might be tricky. She backed his unsuccessful challenger in the Republican primary this year&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty inside baseball Jay Tea, I doubt if many of our voters realize that. We&#8217;re talking about an electorate of whom 12% believe Obama is a Muslim.</p>
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		<title>By: Repack Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Repack Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Palin did a pretty good job cleaning up the corruption in the Alaskan GOP, but she didn’t get ‘em all. &lt;/i&gt;

Obviously, since she is still the governor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Palin did a pretty good job cleaning up the corruption in the Alaskan GOP, but she didn’t get ‘em all. </i></p>
<p>Obviously, since she is still the governor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-124003</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tying Stevens to Palin might be tricky. She backed his unsuccessful challenger in the Republican primary this year... unfortunately, the guy lost.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tying Stevens to Palin might be tricky. She backed his unsuccessful challenger in the Republican primary this year&#8230; unfortunately, the guy lost.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a side note, it turned out to be a bad day to spread a lie about Obama&#039;s alleged socialism. Even on Fox News this should take precedent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a side note, it turned out to be a bad day to spread a lie about Obama&#8217;s alleged socialism. Even on Fox News this should take precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-123999</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Linking him to Palin would be linking him to McCain. &lt;/i&gt;

Well, that&#039;s what I mean. Associations, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Linking him to Palin would be linking him to McCain. </i></p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s what I mean. Associations, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-123993</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me: &quot;Worst case scenario is linking McCain to Stevens,&quot;

Duros: &quot;Isn’t it easier to link Stevens to Palin? Get more traction out of the news cycle that way.&quot;

Linking him to Palin would be linking him to McCain. 

Duros: &quot;Question: Does his name stay on the ballot? Is it conceivable that Alaskans will re-elect him while he’s doing time?&quot;

He has to stay on the ballot. And yes it is conceivable, but unlikely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me: &#8220;Worst case scenario is linking McCain to Stevens,&#8221;</p>
<p>Duros: &#8220;Isn’t it easier to link Stevens to Palin? Get more traction out of the news cycle that way.&#8221;</p>
<p>Linking him to Palin would be linking him to McCain. </p>
<p>Duros: &#8220;Question: Does his name stay on the ballot? Is it conceivable that Alaskans will re-elect him while he’s doing time?&#8221;</p>
<p>He has to stay on the ballot. And yes it is conceivable, but unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Syco</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-123982</link>
		<dc:creator>Syco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say we let the guy rot in jail.

No exceptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say we let the guy rot in jail.</p>
<p>No exceptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-123981</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gonna be tough for him to make roll-call, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gonna be tough for him to make roll-call, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-123979</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duros Hussein 62

Yes, there&#039;s a good chance he could still be re-elected.  Never underestimate the number of intelligent people that stay home, and the dimwitted that vote.

Ted Stevens has brought home the bacon for 40 years, and many Alaskans will look past anything he does to hold on to that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duros Hussein 62</p>
<p>Yes, there&#8217;s a good chance he could still be re-elected.  Never underestimate the number of intelligent people that stay home, and the dimwitted that vote.</p>
<p>Ted Stevens has brought home the bacon for 40 years, and many Alaskans will look past anything he does to hold on to that.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-123978</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Worst case scenario is linking McCain to Stevens, &lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t it easier to link Stevens to Palin? Get more traction out of the news cycle that way.

Question: Does his name stay on the ballot? Is it conceivable that Alaskans will re-elect him while he&#039;s doing time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Worst case scenario is linking McCain to Stevens, </i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it easier to link Stevens to Palin? Get more traction out of the news cycle that way.</p>
<p>Question: Does his name stay on the ballot? Is it conceivable that Alaskans will re-elect him while he&#8217;s doing time?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/27/ted-stevens-guilty/#comment-123977</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grupmyman: &lt;i&gt;Have you ever had the full weight of the U.S. government aimed right at you?

I take the 5th.

&lt;i&gt;Ask them what criteria do you use in pressuring a case? I can bet that 9 times out of ten you will hear “A case we can win” some where in there. Guilt or innocence will almost never be mentioned. &lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s somewhat oversimplified (To be fair, so was my original proposal.) since the cases they can win skew toward those where they actually have decent evidence that the accused is guilty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grupmyman: <i>Have you ever had the full weight of the U.S. government aimed right at you?</p>
<p>I take the 5th.</p>
<p></i><i>Ask them what criteria do you use in pressuring a case? I can bet that 9 times out of ten you will hear “A case we can win” some where in there. Guilt or innocence will almost never be mentioned. </i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s somewhat oversimplified (To be fair, so was my original proposal.) since the cases they can win skew toward those where they actually have decent evidence that the accused is guilty.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grumpymann - 

At this point, I&#039;d settle to just have him removed as my Senator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grumpymann &#8211; </p>
<p>At this point, I&#8217;d settle to just have him removed as my Senator.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:17:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good riddance. Palin did a pretty good job cleaning up the corruption in the Alaskan GOP, but she didn&#039;t get &#039;em all. 

Normally, I&#039;d agree with Grumpy on prosecutorial misconduct, but considering that 1) that is the only reason Bill Ayers didn&#039;t go to jail (in his own words, &quot;guilty as hell, free as a bird!&quot;) and B) my instinct is when members of Congress are involved, they&#039;re guilty until proven innocent. 

In this case, considering his age and probable medical conditions, I&#039;d agree with no prison time, but as a plea bargain -- resignation, no running for office ever again, fine, and probation. 

Stevens is gone. Again, good riddance. 

When the hell does William Jefferson go on trial, anyway?

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good riddance. Palin did a pretty good job cleaning up the corruption in the Alaskan GOP, but she didn&#8217;t get &#8216;em all. </p>
<p>Normally, I&#8217;d agree with Grumpy on prosecutorial misconduct, but considering that 1) that is the only reason Bill Ayers didn&#8217;t go to jail (in his own words, &#8220;guilty as hell, free as a bird!&#8221;) and B) my instinct is when members of Congress are involved, they&#8217;re guilty until proven innocent. </p>
<p>In this case, considering his age and probable medical conditions, I&#8217;d agree with no prison time, but as a plea bargain &#8212; resignation, no running for office ever again, fine, and probation. </p>
<p>Stevens is gone. Again, good riddance. </p>
<p>When the hell does William Jefferson go on trial, anyway?</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Bijan C. Bayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bijan C. Bayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a great political year for Alaska.</description>
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