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  1. merl says:
    October 20, 2008 at 3:33 am

    The lady has to pray over who to vote for? Why would God give a rat’s ass?

  2. C.S.Strowbridge says:
    October 20, 2008 at 4:10 am

    “Republicans in biz feel stifled, bullied
    Cons in Hollywood whine and whine”

    It has nothing to do with politics. Stupid people should be told to shut the fuck up. And if you are still a Republican, you are stupid.

  3. Walker says:
    October 20, 2008 at 7:26 am

    Thought the south was supposed to have more class than us northerners…

    Speaking as someone raised in NC …

    To be fair, the person was shouted down by a 76 year-old man for not having any class. And note how the article focuses on one crazy person. There is no evidence that he was harassed by multiple people.

    Southern manners is a complicated thing. It has a lot to do with socio-economic class (actually, more socio than economic, as you can be poor but “old money”). The South has its share of the uncouth, but they try to police their own.

    Of course, Southern manners also has some weird ties into the type of racism that you see in the South (which in my experience is not any worse than outside the South – just different). But that’s another story.

  4. drinkof says:
    October 20, 2008 at 8:12 am

    I don’t by any means disclaim racism, here in NC or elsewhere, but a couple of things are worth considering.

    For better, worse and otherwise, Fayetteville is the least typical city in NC. It’s a medium sized southern city which was swamped by Fort Bragg over a 1/2 century ago; with the loss of the ag economy, and other developments, it’s a company town now, and that company is the US Army. It has way more in common with military base cities than southern cities at this point, and has for a long time.

    Watch the NC vote! I believe we’ll be rewarding Mr. Obama for his visits and belief that NC can contend.

  5. PG says:
    October 20, 2008 at 10:04 am

    ‘He held out his hand to her to shake it and asked, “How are you, ma’am?” but she declined to shake.’

    If we’re going to claim it’s not bad Southern manners, I guess Ms. Fanning has the military base manners that John McCain picked up:

    “McCain has always refused to meet with me,” [Republican and former FEC Chairman Bradley] Smith says. “I tried to meet him once at a public hearing. He was at the table, and I went up and I said, ‘Senator,’ and I held out my hand. And he instinctively took my hand, and then he looked up and realized who it was, and he yanked his hand away and said, ‘I’m not going to shake your hand. You’re a bully and a coward, and you have no regard for the Constitution. I don’t have to talk to you. I’m not going to talk to you.’ It was right in front of a large number of people, so I don’t think he wants to talk to me.”

    “He said you were a bully and a coward?”

    “Uh-huh. And corrupt, too. He always calls me corrupt. And my wife says, ‘If you’re corrupt, you’re the worst corrupt person I’ve ever seen. Where are the fur coats? The watches? The cars? The fancy trips?’”

    Some people confuse the distinction between being a straight-talker and being a jerk. A straight-talker shakes the hand of someone who disagrees with her, and then tells that person in a rational way why he’s wrong. A jerk refuses to engage in basic courtesies and uses personal insults in place of reasoned argument.

    In McCain’s mind, Obama is in the same box as the people like Smith who in good faith believed that the First Amendment bars campaign finance restrictions: he’s not just wrong, he’s evil and must be stopped. Just what we need after 8 years of Bush, more Manichean worldview.

  6. PG says:
    October 20, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Also, with regard to the article on Hollywood conservatives, I hate to say this but Kelsey Grammer appears to be either lying or misremembering his “forced” donations to Democrats.

    From the article: “He even said that, earlier in his career, his job was threatened by a prominent sitcom director who demanded he donate money to Barbara Boxer’s U.S. Senate campaign. To keep his job, he gave $10,000 to Boxer and the Democrats.”

    From NewsMeat’s campaign finance database (the FEC’s is not working for me this morning): Grammer did donate $1000 to Boxer’s campaign on October 20, 1992, 8 months after he donated the same amount to Bush/Quayle. But that’s the only donation he’s made to a Democrat in a federal election. The $10k appears to be fabricated; the only way it could be true is if he donated $9k for various state and local elections. But it seems odd that the only name he remember is the one for whom there’s a record of donation.

    Of course, by 1992 Grammer had been playing Dr. Frasier Crane on “Cheers” for 8 years, and was preparing for the 1993 launch of his own series, “Frasier.” I wonder which show’s producer Grammer believed could actually derail his career.

  7. Funny « The Northstar Chronicle says:
    October 20, 2008 at 1:19 pm

    [...] October 20, 2008 · No Comments The Associated Press reports that “McCain casts himself as middle-class guardian” “In related news, I’ve cast myself as Jessica Alba’s lover”…-Oliver Willis [...]

  8. bryan says:
    October 20, 2008 at 4:31 pm

    Maybe the producer with the footage of Grammer double teaming Clinton with Monica. Another made-up-stuff production

  9. daniel rotter says:
    October 20, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    It’s kind of odd that in the “conservatives in show business” article that Mel Gibson is mentioned as a conservative since he’s been a pretty vocal opponent of the Iraq war.

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